BTG 01 - Felipe Pena

[Music] hello you are watching breaking the guard I am Robert Drysdale this is our very first episode with my co-host David Avila and our very special guest current AECC open way champion Philippe Petit geese up in Phillippi how you doing good man thanks for the invite awesome awesome so yeah me and Dave had the idea about doing this podcast a while ago right Dave and we discussed my different topics different approaches to grappling in general and we wanted to talk about some of the leading competitors in BJJ and you know have you had the opportunity Philippe was here for a seminar just aa awesome seminar at the gym and we figured might as well have him as our first guest on the podcast I did absolutely you know and I don't believe when you come from well you train with him about how by now and it's very popular his trending hashtag every day paja you know so I would like to get your take on what does it mean to you when you talk about everyday Baha I think means like for me means you overcoming yourself you know like not only about your views to put everything in life you know like everyday pelada means you wake up you go whoo you improving little by little every day you know step one one stairs every day so for everything in life you know we need to like work hard and overcome yourself for the gonna for sure gonna any any type of Jitsu or any type of work sometimes gonna show up some obstacles you know and you need to overcome them and keep you working hard so I think that's what everyday pardon me show me yeah when I kind of got from the FDA holidays it's exactly what you were saying is like you know put your head down and keep working hard it's gonna get hard it's gonna get any tired yeah anything me killing yourself but you know you don't spend time talking about how tired and how much it hurts and how much you just keep going we just go back to gym you do it again and again and they just look yeah it's like this repetitive cycle of oh ha the WOD is a difficult term translate into English but they ask you what's the green yeah it's I don't know with like poor how that I mean anything in the context that they're using like it could be a punch to people haha what many means by carlashes struggle you know a scrap guy throws things you know yeah so everyday scrap you know I'll be a close translation I guess yeah so it's a that I think that's why I like everyone not only jiu-jitsu no but like a lot of people outside of Jeter is buying a shirt and really hug the movement you know because they identify with the movement like for anything in life you know the people like they go hard they run after their dreams and they work hard for it you know overcoming yourself every day so that's all Harborside like put your head down and keep working hard and who came up with the hashtag I was home I think he competes I think was ACB right yeah did a super fight to ACB and someone asked him on the interview you know what is what how is all your training what we do every day is I mean there's no secret just everyday PO hard every day and people people love it people I think started posting that and then he took karate that's that's amazing that's the spirit that's my my favorite thing about more short just like what I took from it they always talk about the medals and the accomplishment in the trophy in the build all that but there's so much so much more important about more shorts and then what I got from it was learning how to overcome and knowing that I think it's gonna be difficult but keep your head down and you keep you know just you know one step at a time you keep moving forward it's not that you're gonna get there the objective is not to get to a better term objective is to be better version of yourself every day as long as you keep that mindset you keep you achieve that you know it's your better version of yourself every day that doesn't stop just and Itaipava like i think it's something that really translates at every aspect of your life not just sports martial arts or do just for that matter like you keep that grind if you watch successful people they may not use of the hashtag everyday people ha but they have that spirit yeah Spira successes every depois de and there was in world they called the grind jordan burrows had even put hashtag grind and he has a venue the grind bits is similar concept University and it went they people they understand the concept of de parada they hug the movement because they like it inside that that improve everyday you know work hard every day wake up bed early and go go forward to to your goals you know absolutely so um I guess like following with our everyday Powhatan movement obviously this is a question to every competitor on the planet has in mind I get this question I've got this question many times I'm sure you have dave has to where is that line between everyday pelada and overtraining to the point where you're actually doing more harm to yourself than you are good you know and that there's a very thin line that you guys know what I'm talking about it's like where is that where is it that I'm overdoing it how do you find that line you person like I have a really like my opinion on that because I think like everyone there is a receipt you know I can know people that they really good in tournament they do really good they don't train like that hard and that works for them you know but for me what really works I think what really made me like Buddha jiu-jitsu was like work hard than anyone else you know so I always have the example of home blue and for me is like the work guy that work at kill really like really worked at you know he trained like crazy now he's like it has this movement and he's not training like before but Stu trained a lot but I I follow him back in the day when he was like copying the outer world you know and train hard and I I live with him for us to six months during 2011 so many days I was sick you know I was injury like and I keep train you know I remember like on the on the awards like 2011 I was training like for six more string hard like putting all my rigid at all my time on that and then I got hurt like three weeks before I was like training I just lately sleeper them at him my foot but hey max what life was like huge you know and then I started crying I thought cry so how can we live six months you know the world is in two weeks and my foots like this and then and then I stay like three weeks without training you know and the many questions in my mind trees dog training how am I gonna do that maybe I'm not going to be preparing for that and I'm sure that alternative men don't already worry whatever everything you could do it just rest these three weeks you know go there and do our best not gonna even finish your foot and then I want the words waiting the point probably out you know so I think that that's that's how worked for me you know so I was trained like really hard doesn't matter what like sickness or or if I was injury you know I keep training there is like a few inches like that I actually could more training but if there is no words I actually was keep was going training as well but I just say for the word but that was worked for me but I think everyone has their own research you know like I used to watch some videos of a little training and I reminded me like when I was training like earlier on it's just a hard wrestling crazy matches sweat all over the place you know so I feel like that's how I train when I was younger like if I if I try to train like that now every day or fall apart I think just from age but I think we get to say it's a fake real I think when you're when you're young and you had the recovery ability you have to take advantage of it you got it up you got to push that envelope a bit so you can get the most out of your body yeah after one there you have a lot of experience as well right so I think when you don't have like how this experience so you can like keep training hard and recover faster but after all you could I compensate that with how the experience you had you know because of course your body not they called that training yeah I think you were saying I agree everyone's different they have to find what works for you there's no recipe where we're not clones we're all different so those taller some of the shorter some of us are mentally tougher than others like we all have these differences and I wonder if as we have it's like recovery rate I know something I don't be able to Train once a day and that's enough of it and I know people to train three times the name that's what works for them I always struggle with that cuz I want always wanted to find what that perfect recipe was and I never really found what that happy perfect place was but you know I I do believe that if I could go back what I would have done different one being I would have taken recovery a little more seriously I would have made I would have given myself more easier days I gave me I did like half a day off I thought my performance increased when I gave myself a little break you know sometimes like I just totally I did with two three times a day full intensity sometimes I think the quality wasn't there okay the intensity I'm tired all the time but the quality of the training was was losing a little bit but there it's a very thin line to tread it so it's not an equal easier problem solved yeah then I was yeah you guys study altitude training or whatnot but you know that theory behind other the trainees they've used sleep or you live in high altitude that your blood produces more hemoglobin you're able to absorb more oxygen gives you more cardio another simple terms and a lot of people mistake that for thinking oh I should train at high altitude oh but what actually happens is that you have limited oxygen and high altitude so you can't train as hard it's like trying to train hard and you haven't eaten in two days so it's like your outputs weaker so actually people you want to train at low altitude it's rest and happen - that makes perfect sense right yeah so when we thought about training here it's the same things be covered right look if you don't give yourself enough time to recover your training at half a tank yeah so you can't give you all you're gonna do like 60% but training you want to give out a hundred percent so there's some times people tell me oh yeah I trained eight hours a day I'm like well it's probably not a hard eight hours yeah yeah they probably come to drive to the gym as foggy I know your training house Psi e after crisis no hard 90 minutes like going like that yeah it's not really yeah you said I heard this I don't know if you guys ever heard of this it's called the Pareto principle 80/20 and you basically what these guys discover is that people were peeking when they were training that 20% of the time they were going beyond the threshold as hard as you possibly can I can't walk right and yeah 80 percent of the time they were training but they weren't trying to push the threshold there's more low-quality trained so well for example for us it will be technical training long rounds but not pushing your condition - that threshing yeah so you can actually rest and I'm push that threshold and then when the 20% of the time you're going like okay I can't even walk so you were doing this when you trained right that way they're actually getting more out of people's conditioning because you're every time you you train you rest Ryan in the 20% you peak you're actually getting more out of it and it's a difficult thing to do because in your mind I feel guilty if I take a day off like in my mind I'm like I'm gonna gas out it's so hard not to mind like yourself but you know I think there's still some science of that so once again everyone's different yeah I think like I think that try tell - my students everyone has your nose recipt but in my opinion for at least like two or three years of your life of Atlit you need the craze of training yeah at least two or three years because like nowadays I don't train like you should train back in the day like 2009-2012 you know i technique there was to be a mannequin of the whole year like crazy no rest there is no day off and I think that was and that I had to economy a lot myself you know and I think that was what really make my mentally strong you know because I as true so many difficult situations and I had to open so I break mentally or I become like really strong mentally you know and I think I become strong mentally because of that time you know absolutely so I think like for now nowadays the the level is really high like ever I'm trained really hard everyone has gue different do physical training so so like like you said everyone has your own receive but at least to two or three years of your athlete high life of athlete you need to really put that work and pass through this this really like crazy let me ask you this assumptions this is something we've all struggled you all get injured there's no way out if you're gonna go to war you're gonna get injured people ask me this question my solution the problem I hear from you guys is always you know you tape it you avoid you do what you can do so if you got a bad knee try to do something it doesn't bother that you tape it you protect it as best you can but you can't stop training every time you get injured because you will literally not train because you're in pain you're injured 20 20 I mean you're 24 hours a day 12 months a year there's not a moment where something doesn't hurt right so there's never that perfect moment or like okay I have absolutely nothing heard you know now I can train so you have to work around the injury right I think that's the so howhow did you deal with that how do you how do you deal with the injuries like in my opinion my George it's not about limitation is about adaptation so I think like most of the injuries you can still at that you know what a different game I suppose you were Tony you can still like and he's and you can't like me it slide you can still like me a slide to the other side and that helps a lot like I remember like actually this year when I hurt my knee you know I have to like one might take one more toss and after one month I still fit in my knee and ever try it every time I try knee slide I couldn't I don't know a few so I start knees light only with my other knee or Denis and the bet before that time heaven is lighted my right knee you know and I got good at it actually when my knee got better on this I every time like I try pass through this side and that front defense so good on the side so because of my injury I started passing to the other side after I got good I only pass through this side now because it's easy you know the people most of the people don't defend the other side so I think you like when you're that like this you can like actually improve in other ways you know in many other way so of course there is some like injuries like you just got surgery of course you cannot train you know it would be bad for you to train but most of the time you can add that and I think I'm all you got experience home all train home or you spend time on the meds you starting figure out what is dangerous what you can do it what about body can handle what is what are you gonna get hurt or you're not gonna get hurt you know like nowadays is pretty hard for me to get injured you know I I get injured like in competition because I don't want that you know and and I push too hard but on training I pretty much so for me getting I guess like finger injuries you know sometimes I hurt my food but not and have a really serious danger because after a while you're lower you can do it and now you learn your body yes I agree in a more experienced you become the less you get injured yeah you know like like you were saying this rare situations we're like I'm at right now where yeah I have to suffer even now like I'm watching more anime in jujitsu than ever watch I think it's important to keep yourself engaged and because you lose a lot of students over the years just from injury someone gets a bad injury and then they just disappeared right and they think on this one there's my injury at home but then you spend a month or two months away from jiu-jitsu whatever it is you're doing yeah and now it's no longer part of your life sure and then they try to get you back it's really difficult you know so I always tell the students keep coming you know if you can't train say on the sidelines I take notes yeah like this be present because you want to keep yourself engage and I think it makes you your mind more susceptible to heal faster because it's a purpose if you just go home and play video games all day it's like sentence signal to your body there's not our brush to get better yeah you're not gonna die anyway so let me just camp out here and relax I recovered off of pushing through injuries and I strongly believe that recover faster training then when I do what I just sit on the couch I doctors probably think I'm crazy they probably think we're insane into this but actually I think there's probably some science behind this it makes sense to me well I have one of my guys Jason Sparks he's undefeated MMA fighter 11 I know but before he even started fighting he got a terrible motorcycle accident he hit a car cut him off and a highway braked flow with a car rolled he stood up he's like I'm okay look past that really they had the airlifted to the hospital and they essentially had to open him up because he was bleeding internally they opened him from here all the way down pulled out some organs he had a spiral fracture a knee Achilles tendon tear total disaster and he was lucky he survived the surgery they told well and the family was in the room he had a little thing for air he couldn't talk you're like he's not gonna be able to do exercise ever again he's probably done he's gonna be lucky if he learns how to walk again and he was there with a little notepad even and said coach gave me a fight in three months I'll be ready and everybody was really sad he's like this kids delusional he doesn't understand what has happened to him I'm sure enough after a month well first of all he wheelchair to the gym mom would drive him hit again in the wheelchair he would come to the gym and here watch and then he'll a wheelchair and he'll start hitting the bags off the wheelchair on the crutches saying I'm like Jesus be careful so we had to compromise with him there okay you can do lift weights with supervision super light you know and he eventually he was able to train again and it wasn't a long time it was like maybe two and a half months and he was already back straight be able to train and to the point that we said okay my brother and I thought look he's never gonna be able to compete ever again but we want him to still be a part of the gym so we're gonna help him out as much as we can but he wouldn't go there the robot he wasn't allowed to spar at all so I'm teaching the class he comes in and then he's like oh hey I'm gonna as part of it I'm like no no chance so the road your brother told me it was okay well he did say yeah yeah yeah ask him okay he starts training and then my brother comes in stated what the [ __ ] you're doing oh my god you say you let you say no he likes you I'm broken yeah he went out recovered now he's fighting professionally you know he and I it's got a very good career out of him yeah and when I asked him like man how did you recover so well right because I've I've had her shoulders and I nursed him a good [ __ ] you know uh you know I'm like eight months hurt you know he was like three months near death and he was back yeah he's like well I told myself that I was gonna get back as quickly as I can I did whatever I could do you know any little bit but he'll try to squat you do whatever you could because it is that the more blood flow you get from your joints yeah quicker is already covered so you just say like this there's no blood flow going down yeah true so no nutrients are going to the place that hurt when you exercise a little bit and even now they told me the PT there's like anything below a three in pain you know I'm from a scale one to ten push through it you're okay if it goes above a three-stop yeah right yeah and I think like all these make part of your jiu-jitsu drawn you know because there's like you said before there is type of people you know sometime some type of people like you show some obstacle and they just give up and stop you know and that's it one example for the injury you know like some people start major you think they just gotta is mowing injury they just stop or we're gonna get injured and stop but some people they keep pushing hard and actually I substitute I mean this injured should bear that I don't think you're gonna go back and he after the some what's they go back you know if they keep training higher then after few years will give a black belt redeem and you remember that you know like you overcome yourself really deserve this this belt and probably true you know and that's my fluent back my pop life you know earlier point it's my favorite thing about so that's it does that like it really forces people become you become a better version of yourself through it you become mentally tougher yes like you really you know you you overall I think just improves on you as an individual and also for everything not only I call school for life for life that's why I get my my my my I get morality off the bat I learn a lot about people and I'll being a better person being on the mats over there you know so very happy act I'm a biased of course but yes just as best things ever happen to me so about overcoming obstacles like what's a big obstacle that you've had to conquer in your athletic career that it was like a big crisis for you if you had one like that I imagine that I must have at some point yeah of course like I have meaning like how outlet you know like sometimes you some things like bad happen something you don't expect happens and you need like you overcome yourself and all like like every Sportage it's not it's not easy you know and especially like you be someone in high sport it's already hard right so it's a lot of sacrifice sacrifice you know like Robert and you what you guys know but you need like to really overcome yourself not some case but everyday you know like everyday something show up in a tournament sometimes the guy give you a submission in the fat that we lose but if you don't you know maybe already winning like this years from this these words for me was a really overcome tournament from you know because I go in inter signs the first match and I had to fight out these beasts injury you know a many things passing through my head or may I gonna have to wait one year I don't know if I can do it and I was able to do it compare that and also that is one of the biggest example of overcoming for me you know I guess I could question that everyone wants to talk about and also we just go drop it out so you you [ __ ] more than Ryan twice you know I defeating on both times once by submission you watch from this weekend at the nogi world yeah I was there yeah what do you think I mean he proved he's good you know III didn't what a rock because he stepped out of his comfort zone yeah before it was submission oh that's great you can win one rule set I'm not yeah I mean I mean yes there's there's some significance to it but yeah there are people that didn't weigh more than that yeah like not to you know I actually been really honest you know like it before when he competes the pain and I said man he won't depends okay but you know it's not a big deal the best artists that actually compete against and of course like he like should talk a lot you know and I should promote himself a lot but unless I'm a let's see this world you know these words for sure gonna have some half-match like some really good guys gonna show up and man yeah Jay he actually did it wait wait so there's not much to say anymore like absolute he's not only good thing like Lord but he proved he has a favorite thing yes but bro is still you know still he proved he is really good his word champ oh no be waiting the point I was able to that thing last time I compute their words but why he says a lot like I am the best in the world like yeah yeah and I wanna catch sure I have a lot of respect for what I think helps taint the most talented people I've ever seen in jujitsu but like when I saw Mike the standing he was like walking around this cape and Crown honor if you guys saw that and he's like right next to coyote who's like 10 times world champion I'm like how do you wear a crown next to a guy like I 10 world titles he's writing a comic I'll just sit in there you know like I'm talking and he's got I mean I understand I don't agree with it I couldn't do that if you paid like I just can't see myself doing yeah I actually think that pretty much will promote it yeah look it makes you more money there's no doubt that that is gonna get you paid I just meets very strange in the BJJ culture we're not used to that like it's not sure but it's like I said like I have to destroy my respect like huge it's you know as I said that gonna be a test my opinion yeah yeah and he actually made it but brothers like I said there is so many high artists they are like eight-time world champions you know and they they were like this tournament like many times not one but many times so he's still like young you know and still a lot to go of course is definitely good you know he's a world champion and Oggy he DCC champion know but he still a long way to in so many tournament if you can't trust it to other competitors yes I agree yeah with the people yeah there is I mean there's like bushes over there is bull you know there's so many good guys that still need competing to win you know - no actually but he has all my respect you know he fought really good was excited manchu - I really I like that and he fights forward you know that's the type of never born I like to compete and I like to watch as well you're very mentioning our of course Gordon talks about trash and promotes himself what do you think about that aspect now that seems to be becoming more prevalent in this port because you know that since the UFC is taken off and everybody's not trying to market themselves more and everybody now seems to follow that Conor McGregor model which is you know peacock yourself puff your chest make tante everybody you know do you think that sort of takes away from the sport a bit at least like for the martial art rule should be honest in my opinion I don't care much about he makes fun and he talks I thought look don't like to see it's just a respect you know like you'd like one of my Greg you talk about religion across the line your friend is dating these things cross the line and only bring like bad things in their sport and bad example for this part of her there is like many kids many guys that watch him you know and if you see them doing dad's respect I think just gonna bring bad thing for this part but walk with a crowd and walk with no shirt the tournament say he's the best say this type of tissue promote I actually and say funny things you know actually I think it's funny yeah so I don't care much it's not my my style you know I like to not keep quiet I like to talk you know like we're doing here and stir but I don't like to keep promoting myself at that time I like to go there show and I like that people talk about me because what I did and not because what I what I say you know but if you don't cross this line for me it's fine yeah the thing he made perfectly valid point you're right it's it doesn't matter right yeah like as long as you're respectful like if you wanna promote your Tiki don't care like that's I think that's a very good approach yeah you know and you prove it on the mats you know as long as you can back it up yeah that's my other thing they're gonna talk to talk okay we want to see it happen that you can back it up no like I don't like Connor style personally yeah but I put them on mean he's lost his call last couple fights but he does really an exceptionally good fighter he'd normally backs it up you know I can respect that yeah it's like think that is if you come to father Shamu Geoff yoga challenge if you challenge someone it's fine you know if you make fern for a crowd that's all fun but you would respect someone like they're like some athletes do it you know I don't think that's nice and in the end I don't think maybe they're right at the time the people got side antics nice but in the end you know I think people don't like at all you know and then people just gonna talk [ __ ] about you ain't even a really bad person or something about that so I don't agree that but the rest is all fine no I see it the same way because to me the martial arts is unique in the sport it's because it's not just athletics ability that's required but we're also creating on mindset you know philosophy and to me respect as one of those virtues that the more shorts brings so while it might be good marketing to start you know cursing are you budding throwing truck dollies through buses and stuff who are you going to be bringing into the sport who are you going to track up now you know like you're saying a lot of young kids are watching and other role models or being thugs and yeah you know it's especially as martial arts school honor and do you want to like every sport people outside the sport looks looks good for this part you know they're gonna bring this part up and gonna and make more money for if we're gonna make it a sport most famous more popular so if you start having like a lot of bad things then put better examples just gonna be bad for everyone yeah especially for kids like if you have a Kids program and now you're going to try to get parents to bring their kids in and all they see is a bunch of people you know cursing each other insulting starting street fights yeah it's not a good image I think that every every human being a character saw a certain degree of social responsibility when you have the lights on II like Connor people at Connor for example you have a lot of responsibility because you have a lot of children all people look up to you and they go this is what I'm supposed to be like is that successful so they see him right they that's what success is so you get a lot of people new young generations there will be copy them as a role model so I think that they they carry a normal amount of responsibility I'm sure they're aware of it I'm not sure they're always thinking it through it's like I want to make my money as quickly as I can and I really care about you know how future generations will be you know will be influenced by my actions and I think it's important remember that we all have that responsibility right yeah and I think particularly the organization's need to have some control force in it and we're looking like a UFC for example I would imagine they must have some clauses like the NFL does that you can't just go and start yeah yeah you're gonna you're gonna lose your ambassador of this organization I know you can you can still market to yourself market that fight about respect adult give a better sample I know you can I say you're gonna beat him and submitting one minute you know that's your PIN you're just being honest t know if you be honest maybe just saying because I think that well that could be healthy to promote a finite that's fine you know with Gordon walking around the Cape and the king's head that's funny right that's a style once he'd be like that is not offending anybody but yeah when he starts talking me out nice cross the mind like yeah like I like I like to promote if I'd say are gonna compete you know I don't talk much but I never talk like you you know like bad words of the guy right no if I don't like him I just say man let's do it let's see what gonna happen there you know and I gonna be ready something like that and I think the fight and the tournaments and stuff is the best way to prove that you actually good you know just like going back to the word are you farm twice you did a beautiful transition from what he fishes for that honey hole from the bottom position and one time I asked you now what's competed ACB and I asked you but that was something you had trained for if you just improvise on the spot and you actually surprised me because you told me no I just improvised on the spot and that blew my mind away like no there's no way because I thought you had been training for that move you know in preparation for the fight against him but know that you improvise you basically did walk us through what you did but you basically defend the honey hole and you turn into a barium bolo and you'll strip in the back like I try to do that to jam and slow motion had a really hard time very difficult sequence you didn't instinctively that's very impressive yeah it's like because like mansion boomers that's very comb on my game like every time I competed people say man what is deadly to me I have no idea I have to what did you do but because I train a lot you know that's what is true now is we can do something I even know what you're doing that's real knowledge right but it's like I train a lot I was not usual to huge in staff I never had that fight like that so I trained a lot of defense of huge you know and attack you hoops and understand like the name you said was the name honey my honey hole I had no idea what his phony home it was only I car light you hook one who - who Tree Hill for you no I gave it my name for the position yeah like for like series who point here who okay and even now I don't know the these names I can keep my other name but yeah hook one two three and four enough Brad and I I study I liked restraining and create a connection oh so I study one defense front for each he woke you know I still dream if you hook one I can't do this I can't do that he hooked true different you do these this and I start training and I actually get good at he books because now our trainee I do a lot of Hoops as well in that many guys on he would and that's how I got good on they faint as well and about the back take I do back takes I say I'm white belt you know I always feel very easy for me to take the back so I am like a lot of time to scramble board on top and I see the back you know and I go forward and I have to get so on the water high in this technique actually in the crew this technique anything like that i was i drew the defense so I was defending the right way I think and then I saw the back and then I just went for the back and I was able to do it you know and for sure I did that many times on training yeah but it's not the type of technique that I I drew because this depends a lot of your Pony reaction you know what I mean like if someone do a heel hook on you and just do the he look like this maybe not able to take that battery they do the attorney then you turn in then it's a very complex move that not that pains only about you but the pains of your Pony reaction as well so it's hard to teach that actually yeah and I'm gonna teach that it's gonna be a DVD breakdown that don't be so and this is the second time you did it it was obviously it was it I mean will you expect in this time and like okay this time I'm waiting for every go for it so I can transition to the exact same move it was the same situation as the first time because you did it I used a identical is the exact same with the exact same I was like a replay yeah what's a little difference because I went kind of like for a leg drag and then I was able to get that back but was pretty similar what was same thing like I don't go in a fight thinking in one position oh I was confident seeing the thing that he would defend their leg attacks is actually pretty hard Technion that but so I went but I I liked you a lot to pass the guard I like a lot to sweep I have many superior on top borrow and take their back so I if you are as a complete athlete you know and I play my gayness I defend and then I saw the putting it again and I went forward but I think if it went through from another way just not take that back I still could you know put my game on and and accomplish you know the good they win like my first fight against him I was able to pass his guard like many times you know noogie so I was confident on top and board but I feel the opportunity and I went so let me ask you this given that he eat fishes I'm one thing that does exceptionally well and use it to sweep this time but he gets into that honey hole position and this turn he was sweeping it wasn't gonna he look obviously he can but he was still using it to sweep so my question is I guess go and walk it in there would you would you still let me assume you would try to avoid that position because it struck a strong position if it so you would be confident enough to get that position again and attempt to take the back from there again try fighting again yeah if you have to if you felt would you I try to avoid the position when you go like okay if you get to this honey hole I'll goes back again from the exact same position yeah it's it's hard to avoid like one position from how they fight you know like I always try to avoid like my opponent best positions but like you're seeing both fights he got there the horny hoe remote the technique here is that you hook one two three or four by the way but I think it's hard to avoid oh no and you need B of course you can you can train to avoid you can try to avoid on the fight but you need to be ready if you get there as well so I think if you fight again probably you're gonna get there okay but I will be ready to defend the zone awesome so when you prepare for fights like for example like when you know you're gonna fight Gordon the first time around do you go into camp and like okay I'll run in a game plan how to fight this guy based on your strengths or are you more focused just on what you're gonna bring to the table and don't I know some people tell me they don't game time they just improvise everything depends depends a lot of who you fight you know like when you have a super fight you can train for that game you know if it's someone like it's really like complete like it there is not like a really strong game you just need to be ready and do your own game but like for Gordon I knew it he was booting you hoops and leg attacks and that was not I was not used to that so I had to train specifically for that you know but still I had trained my game in my strong positions like back takes and and sweeps passing like my techniques but the hatchery study he's his own game you know in this type of techniques I was asking here because you were talking about how you can't avoid a certain position because some people I know especially fighters I don't like I'm watching too much tape of their opponents because then they become fixated on their opponents game and then everything's about not letting their opponent do what they want but forgetting about bringing their own game to the table so a stop yeah you need awareness of what your opponent brings but at the end of the day the focus goes on focusing yeah there is it's a boat way like here I think it's good you know your opponent's best positions and all to defend and stirred that but you can't let your strong game on this side you know you need to be focus your own game and train our strong positions and heavy mind he is the strong position as well to defend but you can't forgot your own game and forget your own game yes so speed on that no you you have an upcoming fight against undergo our current ADCC champion under his one like what two or three super fights now yeah so very hit the ranks of yeah he has a record forever of a superfight wins he won in 2011 so then he did he fought the first Superman hey be Braulio 1517 and he beat up for brawler he'd be no car he was 2017 maybe cyborg right now yes cyber cyber guy and he be Claudio yeah that's a very impressive so he's gonna get she was talking about retiring after this fight and what I'm saying that you compete against hundred before you guys are two and two is that correct yes okay Guillen Oggy Oggy how does it go Augie go get it nogi first first time okay so what's uh mean thoughts about that fight how do you feel that I will be hundred percent red you know I'm excited for that fight it's my biggest goal these in the world you know and I think would be a really excited met and I'm really excited motivate for that you can also shoot true I'll want to win that match absolutely I think probably going to be our last match so it's very important for me yeah well undressing had an impressive run - I've known understand she was a Bluebell we both really young and I've known each other for a long time known him for a long time and now he's one thing I've always liked the ball under is that he's always he's always like to compete like he enjoys competing like he's had one of the longest who just occurs and out of everyone really you just one of those guys I gained very few people have competed as much as him so it's still impressive that he's still active and reigning champion kind of take a step back last year or so understandable he's gonna runs a very successful team and I'm sure he's very busy it's difficult to stay active you know especially for someone husband shrinking as long as he has but you know I think he if it is his last match it so it's gonna be a helluva warm and I'm excited I'll be fun to watch make sure yeah I think you guys obviously match up well because you're two and two you know but I didn't realize they're both geez I guess I'll be in to see how there's no gig that's a different dynamic yeah he's got a really good wrestling attack that's been as strumming them in recent years that really has been his like my biggest improvement I feel like has been his wrestling game cuz I remember back in the day wasn't necessarily good but you know over the last few years it's really gone up a lot like I think that's been worried clearly was opposing putting most of his focus on things like that way to me especially with the way ACC rules were set up yeah the takedown is key element you've seen more and more wrestling in it you see would you agree yeah for sure like the rule like you who do wrestling and take it down like take a defense it's the only DCC you know so you need to be good at it what do you guys think of that rule there no points for turtle position I always thought the test like man we need those points because it has a result it's so difficult to score points and that's why it goes to overtime all the time yeah well which one you go to turtle position no points yes yeah you have to pin them down practical you don't get like an a/b did you have to fight if you take your back turtle position that's two right same thing with a takedown yeah I think it like you said it creates more times to me like when a match goes into overtime consistently it's like a failure of the rule set yeah like we offer and we talked about with like for example EBI how like it's like I think 40 or 35 percent that matches going to overtime it's a terrible staff yeah because that means like they can't finish the matches in the regulation is the way that Roldan is right so I think what a tease you see whether I mean I've had in one year the year that I compete with you Robin 2007 I fought four times and and grappled for 70 minutes Chihuahua 70 minutes Sam in a minute before match in four matches my first magic was ten minutes forget second magic [ __ ] Tarsus and with the double overtime yeah and my third magic for Sanjay and we triple overtime and then my fourth matchup Rob but now they change right no it's only like now when we define I just wanna yeah well that's what they told me to of the rules yeah I'm not like I thought actually I would like to fight like no time limit now yeah sure should be before yeah I think that would be really nice for my game if you called you yeah I get moved those people that can get come floating sense yeah and the in the end like there is no referee decision that's what find out what of course really boring for who watch it can't be I remember my dad Borden at Kenan's I don't wanna like 90 minutes yeah that's bad I've had a match like that and I found Lovato and was supposed to be a DCC rules grapplers quest it was a 16 minute or minute hello back to the first round and after the eight minutes it was cuz I was winning by advantageous if ever you forgot to keep count so like over time and then the over time again the advantages were tied so they said you know what sudden death first person to score points wins but it was like 14 minutes 12 minutes and nobody scored a point ended up going 58 minutes and it was just like we're gonna pass without the defending yeah but uh at the end I scored they changed the rules that okay first advantage wins and I got the first advantage but there's a minute and that was the first match I had to fight solo next oh my it's I think no time limits gotta be one match yeah a bit so profile is it four five you know this is a Virginia number of our podcast here now you got one more question because this something I'm huge on I know Dave is too how important is mindset to you versus physical the physical and technical training that kind of put those two in the same category I think we put a lot of focus into tactics the physical aspect and their technique and of course that's important I've truly feel that most of it comes to the mindset you know and how you feel about competition all confident you you know the accountability you put on yourself when you lose like a lot people don't do that they lose and they blame the world for their losses right now huge on that so it's your mental approach to grappling how do you feel about that as far as your mental game like you feel like you've improved over the years or how important is it in my my own in general in your opinion I hope you know the mental game is the most important for the day athlete you know because I have seen like even my students like many athletes that it's way less technical ways less prepared but they they win because they really wanted you know and they have a heart and they have the desire and they don't give up they tough you know Eden can bit like really tough guys like that you know and and I see and I see the opposite as well like people that are really good at the gym like really tough might give you trouble for everyone really technically trained a lot but they get an adornment and it looks like they freeze you know I don't know like and they lose for someone that it's way worse than before and then so team my mindset cause dance and you feel you feel happy competing you know where you enjoy competing you like we enjoy the adrenaline and you enjoy face someone it's like really is the most important thing and I think I build my mental game on this three years that I said you know then where I really had to train like crazy oh no train her train train each injury trainer if I'm sick doesn't matter what I'm training and I think that made my mindset like really strong and made like I enjoy training someone that can compete someone that's really tough you know like I actually enjoy like when someone from outside that's really like turf and come to the gym I stay like the whole night thinking about that guy that guy I hope you come because you know and I get the gym and I mean let's go I get really excited in order to like test myself and have like this type of train you know and like for example I always train it my students like we do like the competition training and now isn't the end of the competition I think they end up - you are ready really tired you know and do you call someone that is really tough and they give what robot you do something you know maybe you they scored the video you always call a point you mean to get like really frustrated not like mad but you get mad yeah it's good it's good man and then you call and then you call them in the end and say let's go me and then you keep rule you keep rolling keep rolling tower at the time finishing Norman let's keep let's keep it you look to the clock in the red roll like one now after train you know so I really enjoyed that so what's a typical hard competition session a hard session at your gym or this walks through I have the computer training every day like 10:30 a.m. and it's one hour and a half of training and we do like one position in the beginning then the rest it's sparring so like some days like 10 or 6 some days 12 of 6 some days like ten of 8:00 let's pretty much like one one to one now and then 20 minutes of the sparring but of course there is like many different way so you do that train you know I say to my students you do if you go to someone hard in the net in the next round you call someone that you can like really control your cheating you know because you're just consoling gonna trick you just trick your yourself you know yeah no I'm not saying this because I'm chasing only thing on that bro I am saying this because I want to be like very strong you know I wanted at picking you know not saying this couldn't pick you I'm saying this because man that's how you you build your mentally strong I don't normally tell me that's that you just so love it's tough love if you love your training partners you mean a [ __ ] of course that's that's how you show your love it's not about being nice to them and not learning the thing when you're nice to them you got to beat the crap out of them and that's that's you saying I truly love you I love you so much I'm gonna give you all this energy I'm gonna tap you as much as I can and I'm gonna make you a better grappler yeah of course there is different type of training Pardons if you know if you go with someone that trained for Halloween to do that you know of course they're gonna get mad you gotta be a competition or training everyone is there to compete you know everyone's out to get smash and smash someone so you need to actually train like really hard you know just enough to be in a hard room yeah I learned this in high school I went to a famous wrestling camp it's called the J Robinson intensive camp it's 28 days long it's and everybody in high school is afraid of there because I've been training the first thing you get there you're running miles and doing stairs and you trained four times a day for two hours each session that's crazy it's really really tough right you wake up at 6:00 in the morning you fall asleep at 11:00 at night and you pretty much all you do is eat sleep train like you wake up you train you shower you eat you sleep for 30 minutes you train me again and it's repeats four times but when I first got there I was terrified because I was like I was completely out of shape I didn't I didn't prepare beforehand I already told myself okay I'm gonna start running every day like a month before and then I looked like it's a week before my crap let me run a mile I've been like in nine minutes and like oh my god to fly the Minnesota I'm like oh god they're gonna wash out there what huh but I survived and then I started doing better and better but I noticed there were kids then were terrible and we still survived yeah but then I saw them train and they were in training hard even though you could train as hard as you possibly want like there was train sessions where I throw up I was literally crying from how hard I pushed yeah but there's other kids that they're like oh wrestling and then they just say you know there's always like like no you're saying like you grabbed the easy partner yeah you can go through a session and then you can do like 30 rounds you know that way but yeah that it's like you said quality you know where you do like ten rounds good with quality them do like 30 rounds you know awesome well I think that's the way to end it you had any real questions I'm sorry oh no I would say if Philippe you were talking about you had a DVD coming out I'm sorry I'm gonna be releasing some courses no I'm gonna do like many type of course that the first gonna be how to improve your six-month orgeat no the opposite how to improve your one years of youth in six months you know so gonna be specific for blue white and blue belts and they're not gonna keep doing that like I'm gonna do probably on low gear one you know with the fans of your hooks I'm gonna teach the back take oh yeah I'm gonna keep that I gonna be posting my social media very soon you know probably my two or three months so stay tuned will be a pleasure have you guys there awesome awesome well yeah guys follow Philippa Vienna at Philippi Pina jiu-jitsu is that it absolutely Pippin BJJ at Philippi pain at vjj I feel you thank you so much this is our very first episode so excited to privilege to have you here too bad you're leaving tomorrow morning he's leaving in like five hours I'm gonna drive to the airport but I'm sure to be back here at some point and we'd love to have you back for sure got there to thank you guys for the high threats thank you thank you [Music]