BTG 125 - How to Drill like a Pro

[Music] hello and welcome to another episode of Breaking the guard on today's episode I'm going to talk about drilling since I talked about the ecological approach and my critiques about it uh I know some people are like well how are you doing drilling then because what I know about drilling it's it's very monotonous static boring so I want to share with you guys my approach to drilling so whether you're a student that wants to learn how to uh drill better to improve themselves or if you're a coach and maybe you're lacking uh ideas for creating useful drills I'll give you some examples and we'll start at the very bottom which is the one that all the anti-drilling people out there hate which is static drilling I'll give the basic example again of why static drilling is effective if I have one person that we're going to let's say we're using the game of basketball and I put them on a a free throw line and I say okay shoot one time they shoot one time very good and then I put them on the bench then I have the other guy shoot 10,000 times then then I put them both together I said okay who's going to be the better shooter out of 10 shots I think everybody knows from common sense obviously the guy that does that has done it 10,000 times right that's a very again simple example just for anybody that says drilling doesn't even static drilling doesn't produce skill that's not true obviously it does we know it does in many places now is that the most efficient way or the fastest way to build scale is a different argument but static drilling does have its place I believe when you're very new to a specific technique uh drilling can be very useful for gaining experience quickly because usually in the beginning what you lack is experience you may have seen your instructor teach a move he and you may have seen it on YouTube or you may have you know watched somebody in competition or in your sparring sessions and you watch them do something but you really haven't gotten your hands on it to do it yet even if you had the theoretical knowledge in your head that you understood the concepts and the you know how it worked without drilling it or without actually doing it you don't really know anything yet so practice would be the first step and if you guys heard my previous podcast I talked about the four phases of learning observation practice drilling sparring right where the you might say what's what's practice and drilling practice is when you're thinking through the execution of a technique and you're doing it you know you you can converse with your partner that's is where you're usually asking your coach for pointers and questions right so you're trying to develop the concept in your head of how this move works and how to align your body to make that happen drilling is using whatever understanding or concept that you have we're not going to implement it at 100% that's the difference so drilling is going to refine the concept you have now this doesn't mean it's going to be perfect because if your concept is flawed then you're You're Building closer you're building a better fla idea right but it's going to be better than what you had before this is why in my opinion learning never ends there's nobody that achieves an ideal state right we're always chasing after it but drilling is going to make whatever you have better than what you started with because you're going to get more execution of it you're seeing the position more and a lot of times when you're doing good with drilling you will get these little light bulb moments where you realize oh I just did on this particular repetition of the the drill I noticed something that I didn't notice before and that has happened to me quite often during drilling sessions where then I get a better conceptual understanding the technique even as I was Drilling and this is just going to happen because the more experience you have with a particular position a particular movement you're going to start noticing things that's the advantage of drilling even with static drilling you're getting a lot of experience very quickly normally to accumulate experience is difficult because you know you have to go out in the field and it's messy and sometime you can get hurt right like if you had to get experience without the martial arts dojo in martial arts or fighting you would have to basically go out to the street and pick fights not exactly the safest proposition right there's concrete right you don't know what the other guy knows he might have weapons right so you're not getting into a mutual engagement that's why it's nice that we can train martial arts in the studio we have nice mats they're soft they're padded everybody is in a learning environment we you're working with each other not trying to hurt each other right drilling is just a tool to help enhance our skills by getting lots of reps in a safe fashion right and drilling is rehearsed so the static drill is simply me doing a move to somebody they're not doing anything besides holding a posture right for example if I was drilling double legs my partner that might just be standing up completely vertical square and I'm just going to shoot in take them down and you know then do another rep that is again the simplest form of drilling and it has benefit I think as you approach a new technique the drilling is you that type of static drilling is useful so that you start understanding how the move flows and how your body is supposed to go and where it's supposed to align as you get more advanced I believe that it's diminishing returns as far as like if I'm getting into like several thousand reps worth of static drilling I'm probably not making huge gains on each drilling session right uh but in the beginning if you have like less than a thousand reps you're going to probably make a good amount of gains early especially the early ones like when you get your first 100 reps in your 100th rep is going to look a lot cleaner that than the first rep right and I can assure you your thousandth rep is going to be a lot better than the 100th rep so static drilling has its place you can do static drilling from just about any position guard passing you know uh guard retention like someone passes your guard now I have to work on my hip escapes your partner is again since it's static he's just giving you posture right so that you can move off of him since especially for grappling we need a body to work with I can't I can Shadow it but it's going to be a little funky right especially if I'm trying to drill a submission I can like air Kimora but it's not going to give me the same feedback right so having a partner even when their static is useful for providing that to you now what would be the goal of static drilling like I said getting those reps in those essentially those first thousand reps I think are going to be very important for you to get like a good understanding of how this technique Works how long should you be drilling for in in a static drilling environment uh it could be as long as you want how many reps do you want to get in this session when you're doing a very simple static drill which is just like you know me doing the move you can easily knock out 100 reps and probably 15 to 30 minutes depending on you know how many movements you're making but that is not a particularly difficult drilling session I would also say you shouldn't be going for the Reps in speed and what I mean by that is I shouldn't be trying to finish as quickly as possible this is why sometimes setting numbers like okay I want to hit 100 reps today could work against you if I have the goal like I want to hit 100 reps today on my double Leg Takedown that's great but now the problem is well you know it's 11:30 I want to have lunch at 12 I only got 30 minutes I'm going to really just push the Reps quickly not great because now you're going to be rushing and what's going to happen you're probably going to start having some sloppy reps and if you're doing sloppy repetitions that's working against you now so a girl rule of thumb is if you have a sloppy rep you do 10 more to make up for it that's going to make you not want to be sloppy or fast or rushed at the same time if I'm working too hard too fast I'm going to fatigue and if I'm drilling the technique very fatigued my technique is probably going to be sloppy because my coordination is going to be off I'm not going to have the same power to be able to execute let's say if I was trying to sweep the double leg you know clean I I'm going to start wearing out a bit so I need to have enough rest between the Reps where I can execute cleanly now when you're doing partner with a a static partner it's usually a good idea that you guys go one in one right or maybe he does five you do five you find the a rhythm that makes sense for you and on the movement this is going to allow you as a partner you're basically going to be resting more since you're static and you can switch back and forth and this makes the practice smoother and also beneficial to both parties rather than just one guy doing everything and the other guy just being a dummy right and it serves the purpose of again allowing you to get recovery time so that when you start your drill again that you're well rested and able to perform at 100% if you feel like you don't have enough energy to perform the rep perfectly or as close to perfect as you can then take some extra time to recover this is why I said maybe it's going to take it could be as little as 15 minutes if it's a simple movement maybe like a KNE cut pass again low energy expenditure not a lot of movement so you can probably you know go through those a lot faster whereas if you're doing like a a sweeping double leg there's a lot more movement there's a lot more energy expenditure so you're probably going to have to take more breaks right but again it doesn't have to be 100 reps maybe it's 50 reps maybe it's just 25 any amount that you feel comfortable doing is better than the amount of zero which is what a lot of people do right so even if you're like man I only have enough time or energy to crank out got 25 drill uh repetitions of a technique great just do that cuz guess what 25 in four training sessions a week is 100 10 weeks that's a th right there's 52 weeks in a year in a year you hit out 5200 maybe two weeks for vacation with this called a clean 5,000 two years you have 10,000 repetitions and that's a lot and I know again people like oh the idea of doing 10,000 reps seems like a nightmare it's not uh I know the guys from Team Lord Irving were big on doing the drills again there's a book called outliers that talks about a 10,000 hour rule where they notice that business professionals and inventors and all sorts of uh High Achievers outliers usually started reaching the point of great success once they were in the 10,000th hour of their trade right whether it was you know computer programming or it was you know work in the stock exchange or whatever the the trade was they needed that certain amount of experience before things started clicking so L irin put the Jitsu twist in it which was 10,000 reps now that's not necessarily the equivalent of 10,000 hours right uh I would say it's definitely far lower than that but at least on that particular technique it is plenty and I know guys like Keenan Cornelius DJ Jackson you know all a lot of the stars that came out of there were getting those reps in and they were doing it on well-known moves like DJ's was like blast double and he's taking on everybody that Keenan was like Kimora traps and triangle chokes right so they obviously shined in those techniques so for people saying it doesn't work like it does right it absolutely does work and it doesn't have to be done overnight and in fact it's probably better if it stretches out for longer right you're not just trying to if it was theoretically possible to to do 10,000 reps and one day it probably wouldn't be worth doing right uh it's a fact that it is going to take months to complete now if you were doing a lot of reps quickly like uh or more reps like a 100 reps every training session and you train you know 30 days in a month you can get there in you know less than six months to get to the 10,000 right uh so it just depends on how fast you're working but whether you know you do it in 6 months you do it in two years you do it in five years it's better than not doing it so this is just static drilling I'm I'm trying to give you some perspective on how this can be used let's move on to something that's a little more sexy because maybe you're like man the idea of me just doing a static drill is obnoxious like okay fine fair enough we can then do rehears drilling right and this to me was more of what I was doing especially for ADCC training camps and whatnot this is appliable for all skill levels and what uh rehearse drill would be is uh it's choreographed where both players have a part and we know what each guy is going to do and we're training are we responses to it for example let's go back to the double leg I'm going to shoot the double leg now this time rather than just shoot whenever I want maybe I'm operating off a queue right and that queue might be something as simple as we're both uh faced off in a wrestling stance and my partner posters up real quick moment he posters up I shoot now he's giving me some feedback and I'm recognizing in that when he moves out of posture to because obviously when I'm wrestling the lower I am the harder it is to shoot at me if he postures up now he's given me a window to shoot in quickly so I can use that as a as a cue so I'm building reaction time now and I'm also building skill like you know pattern recognition so that whenever I see my posture my opponent's head posture up boom I'm going to do shoot so that's one thing I can use different signals to produce reflexes the other is that now when I shoot rather than him just giving me the shot he is now going to spraw right so not only am I getting feedback he is getting feedback right and he knows once I shoot in boom he's not working on getting a quick sprawl then I work something else for example now I shoot I get you know sprawled on I'm going to peek out so I'm going to start looking to cut the corner then he can do something else and this is obviously you can see where this is going right where he can go many moves so now maybe I go into a peek out and now he goes to let's say pool guard right rather than get his back taken now when he pulls guard I work my KNE cut pass you know and then if we wanted to finish the drill right there I KNE cut pass step around armar I win the sequence right and that would that whole movement is one rep right we can then do this each guy going back and fourth and just doing that can be uh a training session right and I had many training sessions for ADCC which would be like two or three of these and I would do I I think it was either [Music] 50 or 100 reps I'm not sure how many but they were long it usually took somewhere between 45 minutes to an hour and a little bit to complete these and they we were doing drills that were ADCC specific so it was a lot about getting a taked down and the guy going to fors and then trying to score off the four right off the the turtle position or I also working the defensive side of not getting scored on and what is this doing we're we're Drilling timing building our hand eye coordination reflexes power and technique and this has the same stipulation as the static drilling which is I want all the Reps to be clean if they start getting sloppy I got to slow down get some more recovery time and really focus I don't want to do sloppy reps and especially with these choreographed ones since they're more movements it's more energy intensive I need to give myself the appropriate time I I know my brother and I we used to work with a rep count I wasn't worried about a time limit so it didn't really matter but if you're more in a time crunch it might just be better just to have a timer instead of reps right where I say okay we're just going to drill for 30 minutes so it's not like I need to get as many drill repetitions as possible that doesn't matter we're just working this position you know and this drill for a time that way this I I again I'm I'm concerned about people rushing reps right because if I tell you oh there's 50 reps you're a pro fighter you're you got a lot of things going on you're tired you're going to try to speed up and finish before everyone else so you can get out of the gym early that's not the motivation I want you under I rather that like I have you stuck here for 30 minutes okay so there's no reason to go faster in fact if you were trying to be like uh if you wanted to be the laziest you go slower right but ideally you're just working at 100% not 120% not 80% 100% so that you don't burn out your technique's clean nothing sloppy we're getting good quality reps and also importantly we're not getting hurt right as there's more there's more motions now both guys are moving the risk of getting hurt while doing choreograph drills is very low but it's not zero now I've never been hurt doing a choreograph drill and I can't think of anyone that has to be honest but I can't claim this zero right uh but if you start getting too tired and you start getting sloppy then yeah there is a chance that maybe you slip or you know your shoulder slams into the guy's hip and you you know you pop your shoulders something like that like so we got to make sure that we're staying fresh enough so that we can execute clean technique because that's the point of this clean technique we're trying to make our technique very clean in the process we're going to build our power and we're also going to build our our timing but the the main thing is that we want the technique to be very clean uh so that we don't uh we can improve our skill level right and again we're giving ourselves a lot of repeated exposure of these particular uh positions and techniques that are important to us so that we're able to progress faster right again this was my critique about uh the ecological approach which is when we're doing just lots of situational drills or task-based games or you know the constraint Le learning or whatever you call it it's harder to get yourself organized into those positions where you can be able to execute especially when the per the opponent knows what you're going to do makes it harder now I understand the argument that well if you constrain it enough you're like really limiting the potential and then I'll tell you well if you conr that much at that point you're just drilling now right uh so you might as well just drill uh that's my take in it anyways right so the the rehearse drilling choreographed you know whatever you want to call I just call it drilling because to me it's all drilling but I since people are introducing the term static drilling okay well this is now a rehearsed drill where I can make all sorts of different types of drills like we could do some Mission Escape drills we can do standing up off your back drills we can do uh scoring takedown drills you know we can do getting submission drills right for example uh let's say we wanted to work getting back up to her feet we might say okay guy I throw a jab the guy slips it scores a takedown I uh go to my technical standup he runs around my back I hand fight do a standing switch he runs away from me I bail out I'm on my feet right so I scored the Escape basically that's a standup reversal type drill that e could work so you could use your creativity to figure out uh what are some winning movement patterns that you want to be able to implement and get better at doing and maybe you're like well I don't know these okay that's fair ask your coach study tape watch videos right uh I would say film your own training so you can see like where you're having problems with and like then maybe you can present that to your coach and he can hey you know this is a a technique sequence you might want to work on and then now you have a a drill that you could do right where you can rehearse it with your partner both people know how to play both sides and then you can go back and forth right I can do one rep he can do one rep and we can usually on those rehears ones we do it like one in one or maybe like two and two because there's a lot more movement like I said you usually need a little bit more rest time normally the if there's a a man or a bman there's one guy that's working a little bit harder than the other guy um or you could do it straight I think we've done both if I'm being honest uh so it could work either way it depends on how much work each guy is doing sometimes especially we're just doing reaction time the the bman might not be doing that much except giving you that initial Quee right uh but if it's a more involved one where both people are playing uh thorough then you're probably both going to fatigue at a similar pace so then it's more about just making sure you give enough rest time between reps but I would say don't try to don't like the main thing with all the drilling don't try to force it all in quickly okay even though I am telling you guys it's very intense 100% speed right 100% power that's true but that doesn't mean that I try to Sprint for 10 minutes straight you can't do that defin you could Sprint for like a minute maybe and that's it right now you're going to start tapering off right so you have to chunk it out enough so that if I'm doing this uh sequence I Sprint it but then I get myself enough rest so that I can then Sprint it again what's the proper amount of interval for rest typically 3 to 4 seconds long uh uh if it took you let's say 5 Seconds to complete your sequence rest for three to four times longer than that 15 20 seconds that is going to give you enough time for your body to recoup so then we can execute this drill again now you might say man that's going to eat up a lot of time it could right now do you need a full 15 20 seconds probably in the beginning you won't right but as you start getting heavier into the Reps your energy levels might start depleting and then you will need those 15 to 20 seconds to be able to fully recover so it's up to you and you don't have and again if you have very good stamina maybe you need less than that maybe it's just 10 seconds right and it it depends on how much of a Sprint it is like I said The more energy you're spending on it the the more time you need to recover so you just got to figure out what's a good amount of time that you need between reps to be able to recover to 100% like I said the first few reps you could probably do like 10 of them in a row with no issue but then once you start getting to the 15s and 20s now it's starting to be a problem because so just account for that and give yourself rest that you need so that you can execute cleanly right and powerfully so that would be rehearse drolling and like like I mentioned I can do rep counts I can do time limit if you feel like you would try to cram in the Reps quickly then don't do reps do time just say I have 30 minutes I have 20 minutes I have 10 minutes but I'll do 10 minutes clean right and however many reps I get is what I get is it important to keep track of the Reps not particularly right I mean even with a 10,000 hour roll like does something magical happen when I know it was 10,000 uh Reps versus if I just did it and didn't keep track probably not okay I mean maybe for you it might be kind of cool to know like oh man I did 10,000 reps of this move but I don't know it has a tangible effect as far as like you knowing that you reps makes you work harder or it makes the effect better I'm a nerd I like keeping track of things so I'd probably keep track of the Reps anyways or maybe just keep track of the time I spent drilling which might be better honestly uh but like I said not the most important part of this I will say in these drills you want to go an extra step film yourself doing the drills if you film yourself doing the drills you could then watch them later and maybe you watch the first few reps to see how the technique looks then go to the end or actually not the end go to the middle see how the reps look in the middle then go to the end see how the Reps look at the end if you notice that the quality of the reps are getting worse as you go towards the end then you know that well maybe I'm not giving myself enough rest time if you notice that they get worse in the middle and then they get better at the end then you know like when you saw the the Finish Line you decide to like clean up and really give your best effort and you kind of just winged it through the middle right if what we ideally would see is that as we go towards the middle and to the end our reps got better that means that we actually were functioning in the intended Pace where each rep was my best rep that would be the ideal is that going to happen every time probably not but that's what we're working to where you know rep number one was good rep number two was a little better rep number thing was a little better and then so by the time that we get to the later reps it's like man those last reps are really clean right and I would think for the most part it should be coming out at least on average better at the end because you're warming up a little bit as you know the first couple reps you're moving you're kind of just getting okay I I know I how to do this but this is my first time doing it today right and then as you did like 10 or 20 of them now it's like okay I got the groove for this I'm in the zone now so it's just flowing a lot better so theoretically we should be able to be better by the ending right so rehears drills right we and that's pretty much the the main part of what I would do rehearse drills right where both guys are working that way I don't just have one guy being a dead fish or just being a mannequin right like he is participating he's also benefiting from the time as well I'm both sides and usually I I want to make sure that if I'm drilling with somebody they're as into the practice as I am if you have to kind of rope someone into it they're probably not going to stick around again even with the rehear drilling being back and forth it is timec consuming it is tiring right that's why I said that you need recovery time in order to be able to do it so uh you want somebody who's really invested in being better right and that way that the both of you can motivate each other because if you both are just looking for a way out you're going to find the way out of it and quit early or get sloppy so uh try to have somebody that will keep you accountable and likewise that uh you will keep them accountable with the rehearse drilling I did talk about some simple Concepts let let's touch on it a little bit more uh obviously we can react to each other's moves right so if I shoot I can he can then choose to sprawl if uh I shoot maybe he catches it you know and goes into a lateral right you can choose all sorts of ways to counter techniques and then go back and forth when we're doing a choreograph we're always letting them know what's going to happen right that way that's what minimizes the injury risk when both guys know what's going on it's much harder to get hurt cuz I know okay he's going to zag here so I I'll go with it and then I'm going to Zig there so then he knows to Zig with me right that makes it easier and when you're drilling it in a realistic fashion or a realistic sequence it's beneficial to both people right because these are things that are like we're doing good movements not doing uh garbage movements right so neither of us is making a movement pattern that doesn't make sense right now in some of these drills somebody's going to you know quote unquote win like I might catch you in the armar and square the tap right uh and that's fine right you can also make it so that he can escape the submission you you could score the tap and then after he scores the tap then you can work him working to escape as well so that it just doesn't end there right so you can add as much you know variability as you want to the drilling but when we're doing it rehearsed everything is uh known in advance this is what limits the injury potential we talked about about building reaction time right and this how people say how do you build timing well like I said you could use cues what are some of the cues that we can use one visual is the easiest right and I believe using your partner with realistic motions is the best cue that you can gain from it right so like him moving out of position for examp like I said like he was in a low stance and he popped up for a second that's an easy to to react on um maybe instead of him doing that which it might be why would he do that maybe you work snapping the head right but he keeps a strong base so your head snaps don't always work but he will allow one head snap to work more than usual and that's going to be your Quee uh to shoot right so this introduces some unknown to you but he's not doing anything too crazy right like you just don't know which head snap is the one that's going to score I do something similar with striking as well which I call The Knockout Trail where I'll be holding pads for somebody and let's say it was a one two three they'll throw uh you know the one two and when they hit me with a two I'll drop to the floor and what I'm trying to simulate is that you were throwing a combination but you scored a knockout punch and what I want you to do now is follow me the ground and get the TKO right so this develops the Killer Instinct right because you never know which shot's going to be the one that puts the guy's lights out and you'll see sometimes when I do this to people who have never done this with me before I'm throwing the one two three I throw the one two I fall and they kind of just stand up and they they they feel like they're lost I'm like dude you got to you got to chase me down right like you got to make sure that I don't get back up and you see this happen in fights sometimes where someone knocks somebody out and then they're like kind of stuck on their feet for a little bit and they're late to Chase and sometimes that late Chase is enough for the guy to survive right so I mean I could do this on a striking drill this is similar in this uh wrestling situation right where I'm snapping the head and you know he's not really giving me that much of a reaction to the Head snap and then on one of the snaps he really you know lowers maybe that opens up the front headlock for me or he then has to overe exaggerate to pull his head up that gives me the opening to shoot right so the again your partner is giving you some realistic feedback and it's G and that's giving you a cue to be able to do something other ways that we can use cues could be audio right you might have your coach say a key word at a certain moment to trigger you to do something these are okay I don't think they're as use I mean they do have their place in fighting uh especially if you have very detailed game plans where you might be needed to be reminded of doing a particular technique or starting a particular sequence but I think normally the best cues are going to be uh the ones that you can read off your opponent doing certain motions right and again this is something that you can choreograph uh and we could do things like this on the ground as well like we can say okay the guy's playing a half guard the moment he switches to a knee Shield boom we start with our passing sequence that we know that specifically works against the knee Shield so he could be moving in a way it's a more realistic where you kind of just like so it's almost semi situational like it's almost semi sparring in a way but then the moment he switches ini Shield our drill begins right now I'm going to go p and execute uh that sequence that we wanted to work on so this is a type of uh process that you can do for rehearse drills so they don't have to be super strict right they is not just static they could be very dynamic in many different ways and we can come up with all sorts of sequences right and I would encourage you to do so write them on a piece of paper and think about the sequences that you really want to get better at like for example uh one sequence I think everybody could benefit from is being able to take the back and score Your Hooks quickly right there's lots of scramble situations that we get into arm drags or you know when we duck under that we have to chase the back and a lot of people struggle to be able to score the the the mount with the the back mount with the seat belt and the hooks in or a body triangle so that might be a particular sequence that you want to rehearse where you can get really good at that so it might be like oh you know I went to uh uh arm draft he gave me some back exposure now I have to try to trip him put him on his fors then I'm able to jump onto the hooks get my seat belt maybe power half to break him down then once he's on his back go into a body triangle and then start looking for chokes right and that would be a very one-sided drill so maybe once I get the body triangle then we can switch okay now the guy on bottom is going to work his body triangle Escape so he might do that hand lever scissor the hips Break Free you know and then turn into you and you know you can make it Dynamic so that both people are getting value from it you're getting back taking skills he's getting back escaping skills right so uh I don't want to beat a dead horse too much here I think I've been you know making the same points and I'm doing it because I feel it's very important right so static drilling is very easy to do I feel for your first you know 100 to a th000 reps you could probably get a lot of value of it certainly you're going to get more value as you do more of it but it's going to be diminishing returns as you start getting higher in the rep counts but I do believe it has its place especially for beginners uh I wouldn't uh neglect doing it especially when there are certain skills that you're trying to build speed on right and this is why wrestling tends to work really well with static drilling because a lot of times s is just getting that explosion of a shot or you know a good bridge and that requires power it's hard to do a double leg slowly right or to do a back bridge slow like you need to pop your hips into it you need to explode off that drive leg so a static drill allows you to do that safely so to me static drilling would work really well there you know in certain sequences like submission sequences and whatnot you you can can still benefit from static drilling but you can also benefit from doing a rehearse drill uh quite well there so either way I hope this helps answer some of the questions that people have about how I'm making drilling so useful and why I don't think that the ecological approach is introducing novel aspects to it right and right now I didn't touch upon um situational drills right because what the ecological approach is doing we already do right so the type of games that they're putting where they're putting constraints we're able to do that in a traditional model and do so quite frequently right so if I'm teaching back Mount escapes guess what the the sparring is going to look like I'm going to start you from the back and you're going to work on your backman escapes that's the constraint right I'm going to put you guy has a seat belt maybe we're working choking side uh Escape so you're going to be on the choking side you're going to start with your hand gripped right he's going to try to fish the choke you have to be able to work your way out so we already do these games the only difference I feel is I'm giving you better tools to start with because rather than saying okay we're going to start from this position I told you the concepts of you know how he's going to try to choke you have to watch out for double arms going over right or especially any arm going under your chin right so maybe again I'm I I haven't trained the geological approach God just I'm reading and listening to podcast but from my understanding they're going to tell you the basic approach right of how okay we have to uncouple the hips uncouple the chest from the the back so that we can detach and be able to either slide away from him or be able to reverse and come on top but then not giving you the best tools as far the best known practices for escaping those positions so then you're going to have to figure out and probably get choked a bunch of times or just get stuck and figure out the Long Way whereas I'm going to tell you okay like if I just put out a new course a couple weeks ago covering back Mound escapes from body triangles or whatnot so I say this is the best known practices that I know how to get out of here explaining those same Concepts like you have to uncouple the hips so that his hips are not behind yours and that his chest is not behind your back so that you'll be able to start pivoting away from him and be able to face them right and this particular method I'm going to show you is how we accomplish this goal I encourage you to keep exploring and finding more things and really getting the understanding of why this move works not just to mimic me I don't want people mimicking me I want them understanding the the mechanics of what I'm doing right and also the the principles of why the move works so that's why I'm saying I don't feel like the ecological approach doesn't added anything new it's just taken away the ability to observe my instruction the ability for you to practice the ability for you to drill and relying solely on the the live feedback phase of the sparring right so the only way you're observing really is through your memory of what happened during your live round right whereas having a lot of different ways of getting feedback anyhow I hope that's useful and if you guys like this type of content as far as like going over coaching stuff I can definitely uh give a lot more input in this area area I'm probably going to do it anyways but always nice to hear back from you guys so I appreciate those who write in and give me suggestions on things I can cover on the podcast makes my life a little easier and I know that I'm serving you more rather than just rambling anyhow um I hope you guys enjoyed that I'll see you all next week