BTG 13 - Frank Mir

Oh everyone we're back here at the break in the guard podcast today we got a very special guest two-time UFC heavyweight champion of the world good friend of ours Frank Mir Frank that's good to be your man sir a little payback for you're gonna be late now yeah now we totally get it bro um Frank well I mean there's so we're talking about where we're gonna go with this podcast in there so either for action different directions we can take I'm not sure I guess we could start with you know you know your early career in the UFC as one of the most dominant jujitsu guys in there however you know you are beating guys that on paper much better than you oh yeah in jujitsu right and do you run in one paper who's exactly and you're always the guy that always shocks the world with like I'm gonna not only win I'm gonna make you tap right I think Roberto Traven was one and then I remember that fight clearly so that's the other thing that not only did you submit people it's always the most brutal I don't think there's anybody it has more breaking power than you have shown in the UFC I got a good story about that yeah except I'm I've seen the armbar you know it's always nasty like Frank's the last guy I want cranking me any submission you know I think was at the History Channel that we did that special for the Discovery Channel and they have a little dummy or like the fight fight science okay so we did one and they wanted to measure Frank's like power with the armbar right so the hell is a mechanical dummy with like a like metal joint right and he's armed boring they're measuring how strong his arm bar is right he breaks that dummy he breaks the joint remember that and everyone's a holy [ __ ] well of course I was cranking it then I stopped and they can read them and measure their like Oh cause of torque yeah like well you you're is it hurting you why are you shutting that oh my god I'm gonna break it yeah they're like dude this is a 180 thousand dollars the hash test dummy like almost like you know like come on kid you can't break yeah okay no and yeah I mean I've trained with Frank it's it's scary like I always tell people it's right you got a tap preemptively like way before he actually gets it because is there's not a lot of time you're very powerful guy you can just leak in tour from zero to 100 faster than anyone else I know and I think that's always been like one of those things where people if like they're safe for it would be safe with me or Dave so there used to train with people that don't have that kind of power and you're like I'm good I'm good and then you go and you're surprised I was like something that you know it's more there's more power than than they would normally expect from the Mosel and I think to mentally I've always been very enamored with the submissions because I always felt like for hand-to-hand combat they were the most complete way to devastate somebody because I came from a striking background my dad on you know Kempo karate gyms and stuff and I've seen what no hitting people it's almost kind of hitting a baseball there's a lot of a lot of art behind too it's not so much a science we're like well everybody you hit him here they fall down there's some people you hit them there and they just smile at you you're like well [ __ ] that didn't work I don't where the submissions and stuff oh my god I never looked at it as a way making a person tap it up to my mind if I destroyed your shoulder and well if the fight continues on you have one less joint yeah that's operating to be able to fight me off eventually get to your neck because I've always felt that like well there's nobody in the world I've ever met in all my years of experience that you could put the choke and they just sit there and smile at you like it doesn't work on me everybody needs blood to the brain and without ceases they fall asleep so that's why I've always I think I've always been enamored with and drawn to submission fighting jujitsu specifically because it's like well it's the most complete way for one man without a weapon to fight another man without a weapon and it's deliberately controller yeah and I like the fact that you can I always liked how Jakara Kano said you like randori right because you could practice the same move harmlessly and the timing and everything is on it's gonna be the same as you practice the lethal move every times you meet guys who tell you like wow or just poke you in the eye how many times have you practiced them yeah like you know if we're in a fight you're drilling dumps [ __ ] hits the fan and you're gonna pull this maneuver off that you've never trained before yeah well I know how to hit a single and take you down and pass your card and put you in a head-on I've trained that thousands of times against guys it aren't willingly allowing me to want me to take them down and choke them so that's why I'm like it's a much more complete form of martial arts you know because of the fact that you can actually train it and now it becomes either a harmless movie you let somebody go or in situations life-or-death it's the most proficient way I know how to end someone's life you know but I know you for a long time frankly you always say stuff like you always make an A like what's the easiest way to get something done the most intelligent way possible because you're known as a very powerful strong guy well what I think the side of you that people don't get is how much we're bringing heck you are as well when it comes to fighting which I actually think is your biggest asset it's not even the fact they're exceptionally gifted and like you know powerful is the fact that you are always looking at what's the easiest way to solve this problem which is my definition of technique my definition of technique is anything that minimizes effort maximizes outcome right I'll talk a little about that and like how did that mindset develop over time and because you are very tactical and strategic a--when you plan a fight and when you you know be prepared general well I lived it this way mmm everybody likes it out that you know humans were the top of the food chain you know were the number one animal kingdom was dangerous you know every time like new people make those things like all the most dangerous animal it's just human if you look at us we're hairless were clueless or toothless we're talking very intimidated you know you locked me in a cage with a chimpanzee and he's gonna own me but then I go how come the chimps in the cage why is it that I'm able to you know our humans were able to put tigers and lions and bears and imprison all those it's like well it's because of our bringing our ability to use tactics and strategy and to hack things and to find the easiest route to do to accomplish the most so that's why I like really early on in my life oh my god I am physically stronger and faster than most people but I'm still not on a scale of other animals really that's not that impressive if I if all I ever do is work my biceps it's like well there's still never gonna be that impressive a human at peak performance is still not really that impressive of an animal but a human who knows how to use leverage and mindset and strategy and tactics well now we are the top of everything you know like so that's why I've always influenced and try to driven that more it was a story of my dad one time told me because my dad's huge endures n so a lot of like a lot of the philosophy it was about these two samurais right and they're like hey you know you go west I'll go east and you know and we'll come back here in 20 years that way we can learn for years with the knowledge cuz you'll learn everything was learned to the west of here and I'll learn everything's will learn to East to here and we'll come back well you know twenty years later they meet at the edge of the bank and they notice that there's been heavy rainfall so it's very swollen there where they gotta meets on the other side well the one samurai spent his whole life training physically to be fit and strong and he has it's powerful legs and he jumps 20 feet across the river the other samurai goes and pays a nickel for the ferry to take him down and that was the stories like you basically spent your life attaining something that I can buy for a nickel you know so the strategy there that shows how the other samurai so I always wanted to be the second guy the guy that was always the smart guy go okay well there's the hard way to do it or there could be the easier way to hack the system and I remember like episode uh we filmed a while ago with kid Dale he says something similar about a study that someone had made where people were spending eighty percent of the time to get twenty percent of results were efficient people would spend 20 percent of their time and getting like 80 percent more I can I'm the exact math I went out but like it was something that and I find myself and it resonated with me because I feel like a lot of times I waste my time doing things that like this is not really getting me anywhere and like sometimes I'll do like this much you don't have huge results or out of it that's why they say an engineering if you want to solve a difficult problem give it to a lazy guy because a lazy person is gonna find the easiest way to do it talk to my wife it sir this one I'm like I'm just lazy always the joke I make is like do you think that it was a it wasn't a lazy guy that invented the wheel [Laughter] yeah there's yoked up like Nam now we're gonna carry him and lazy like [ __ ] this man let's make this thing wow we could drag it will take twice as much stuff yeah twice as easy yeah and in a way like I think fighting is like that like you're meant to look at this you find the easy ways cuz I consider myself to be lazy in a good way like I'm always I'm like you like I'm trying to minimize effort so a lot of times like for example like I just take down off the wall you guys see me teach it or I could hit a knee or two on the wall off of a hook Yeah right and every wrestler ID knows like that's wrong you hidden it should not be that I'm like well you got both your feet on the wall you can't sprawling me and instead of picking you up or like fighting your hips all I gotta do is take a step back and pull your feet out and it's effortless right and it takes a while for people to go like because you're breaking tradition you know schools take Chinese you know but I think that this is such an underrated aspect of fighting or we ought to be looking for the easiest route not necessarily the traditional route yeah well that's why I don't like taking away like I'm not a fan of watching people who use character great Jackson style of fighting work you're just point fighting you know learning how to pin a guy against the cage take him down and eat up the clock and win us a decision by the judges all right but at the same time I feel like the onus is on the organization to make rules to where that can't happen because you can't tell people you can't find the weaknesses in the system because that's what humans inherently what we do yes you know me like you've seen it I remember Rob and I didn't agree and I I'm actually on Rob side with it when submission only first came out I was like oh this is the answer to people who just point liked who just you know they'll do one half a sweep and sit there and hold you down and now they win by advantage I'm all that's killing mixed martial arts jiu-jitsu like that doesn't apply to real fighting so you could be a world champion here but it's not going to apply over here because you're not really going for finishes you're not going and then Rob's like well no you're gonna take away position and then sure enough he's right now I see guys the submission only stuff it could be as far from a real fight as possible man well you're never really gonna pull under your ribs and just slide across the mat the only attack feed them all [ __ ] there you go humans are always trying to find and hack the system and I like that attribute that we have it's just trying to like okay it's not about you know if I put on a judicial Turner and I'm not mad if you figure out how to hack those key rules yeah it's my it's on the promoter to make better rules it's on you to make better rules to avoid that from happening because humans are always gonna look for the loophole you know we were talking about this podcast Waldo but like it's such a great point because as a competitor there are things about IGF rules that I hate it just makes no sense this is a loophole in the rules now when I compete it that I use that to win of course I did it sounds like you're hypocrite like no I'm not a hypocrite like there's two sides to rob but there's a side and Robert that wants to see the best rule possible and there's a competitor just wants to win yeah there's no contradiction when you really think about it's like you probably exploit you know tax loopholes you may disagree with them but do you people use them who does it you know like everybody if I can get away with this why it's legal I'm not doing anything wrong so you're right like it's always like this is what to me that the the the structuring of the rules is such a fundamental aspect of where what direction the support is going to take well in that mentality is actually how I am to even when it doesn't benefit me I see it like when Trump came out and they're like oh the guy keeps declaring bankruptcy with his businesses on a business level and you know he goes and buys back the hotels he basically screws over the banks you know and then with his taxes you know the guy barely pays any taxes cuz he knows how to you knows how to manipulate the system and everybody's like always an [ __ ] for doing it I'm all that's not what I see I see that the hey the guy's smart enough to - yeah I mean like you put the system of rules there and you're gonna tell me that he's supposed to go on scouts honor like well I'm not gonna take advantage of it that everybody else is to me it's like we'll fix the system like obviously the system is [ __ ] up make it to her guys like Trump can't do what he's doing you know yeah absolutely no and it's you know you said you have to play the rules as they are if you're mad about them don't blame the player play the game right speaking of rules where would you see what would you change what would you change anything about MMA and how is structure because what's together technique the rules determine the direction of techniques with a vote they're always gonna develop within that that that Lane that the rules allow for and we're always gonna be on the verge of like what is allowed but that's what developments gonna come from right within what the the the lanes that the rules create how would you change these lanes how would you change the structure of the domain actually right now the most recent incarnation of the judging system I actually kind of like because they say let's let's go over effective damage over position right and I agree with because to me it's like look if you take someone down and you mount them and you just sit there and hold them down that's not really winning a fight I mean like guess you're in position technically you you've done all the work to go ahead and flick damage but if you missed that one component then it's pointless and I'm and the reason why I think that's a good idea is because so many guys now because they're always looking for loopholes in the system previously in the past the UFC became almost like a wrestling takedown competition you took someone down you can sit there I mean I watch fights or a guy would get beat up for four minutes and even the fans started thinking that that's how it should be and then one guy would blast him in the double take him down would get on top of him for the last 60 seconds of the fight and he goes all he won um all really if you were watching a fight right now by out in the parking lot would you really think that the guy with his face all busted up who got a takedown won the fight and I like submissions I'm a proponent of submitting somebody way before I say knock them out because I don't think knockouts are realistic in a real fight anyways compared to submissions but that being said I still don't like the idea of just well well now you're just playing the system you're paying the guy against the wall you're looking you're reading the referee you know like you know you're doing basically what Herb Dean will come over and go action and you'll do just enough action but you're really not trying to win so I guess always trying to make the rules to where you're trying to win I was a fan of in the past of trying to make it a point system that's one thing that I I've never understood is why we're not allowed to know what the judges are thinking in between rounds I think happening the judges score the fight during the fight like at the end of the round I think the judges scorecards should go but Ernie the time lettuce I think that's great any because you're gonna reward action more and you have way because there's a lot of people who think they're winning and then what they do they start coasting right and they get hold that aggressively stalling I think I'm holding you hitting a little holding it aggressively stop yeah some people are really good like they're working harder than that you know but I think if you're doing that where you're actually showing score and you're putting points to things now both fighters know exactly where they're at and who has to work harder to continue to win what's the ambiguity either yeah and that's the thing the reason why there's that beauty to write is the judging is still subjective yes you know I mean still did you deem that that was a really hard punch or did you think that he just made contact so each judge is because it's subjective are different human beings so after the first round I could sit there and go wow I'm punching this guy in the face and the judge does not think I'm winning I mean like you can make adjustments during the fight whereas afterwards it's like well I can now know what that judge wanted how do I wish I knew yeah so it kind of tells you and in other sports that are subjective they do do that leave me thinking like bodybuilding which is extremely subjective in between competition they know who's leading by points and who's doing what because it allows them to make adjustments yeah it makes perfect sense I never thought about that but that makes a lot of sense at least tell the coaches like hey by the way this round was X and X see the element for hiding it I'd be like why I mean most places I mean unless it's a betting thing I guess most you know maybe that's the situation maybe cut it off not to the fans where the coaches know but I never got why why we can't yeah this just tell people no I agree with you I've worked as a judge you know I'm fights also I'm not sure you guys have there is pressure to it but I anything maybe some of us to protect them is they if they don't know in the spot what they say like there's some judges in there made are notoriously terrible and they have a reputation for it and maybe they don't want to actually if you had to score every technique some of the bit or even know what it is it's easy to say nine ten yeah yeah this guy won all right how he was on top you know easy metric but I think what you're saying is true because he's gonna bring there's enough force them to be more educated yes they're gonna have to defend okay why don't you score this this and this you know they're giving you no BS answers and then it's easier a this guy don't know what he's doing yeah be a judge that lifts the rock up a little bit I think and and and which is like a whole this is the whole talk as in itself it's like how the the people are elected to become you know a judge and they fight to me blows my mind that they think that oh you can't have a former fighters or coach is there because are gonna be biased and they solve the problem I bring in people that don't always have any experience yeah and it's like that's not a solution to anything you know very common yeah but just that you're saying you imagine an Olympics and instead of having actual like gymnasts who used to be judges it's just like me and you know it's crazy but that happens a lot and I feel that is a feature of martial arts for some reason that promoters who have very other promoters or Commission or people that are in charge of creating these rules they sell them have any competition experience if and I see this a lot in the BJJ world I see it a lot in MMA as well the people who are in charge if you dig they don't have any martial arts experience they're fans which is you know I think it's you know if you understand you can understand the support by watching in some ways but the best way to create an intelligent rule set is to go the fighters ideally if they're not even fight anymore late and middle how these loopholes like how do we close them how what because the fighters ultimately are the ones who understand the rules best because their livelihood depends on it so they have to explore those rules in a way that other people just see them superficially like why Michael Musa Mets is said right here and he's by pointing out the loopholes in ACC and it goes boom boom boom boom boom and he takes it apart because he thinks like the competitor right but like they never do that they're always like it's like a conversation to have amongst themselves yeah and they don't always like bring in the fighters to join if that conversation which to me is the obvious thing to do I think that you know what these are too many things from MMA I really holdovers from boxing yeah carried over and I think that back in the day the idea of a boxer post career going and becoming judge probably was almost laughable because of the brain damage you know economic background that the box probably had you know education wise but MMA is not that way naive guys are college graduates or you know MMA fighters that are not retiring that I think would make a much better judge and any kind of obviously no systems perfect any kind of argument that have you all well you know it'll be collusion with the guys cuz you know this guy trains at that gym you might know I'm like well you just mark down who you're who you know you don't have to be some onus on the individual to be like hey look you we're gonna have you you know do the DS MOSFET I'll fight like hey I can't judge that fight because me and Diaz you know I trained same Jimmy trains and I mean so it keeps some kind of separation that way and you have to do that anyways when you apply as a corner these are may not in Florida you know you have to put as a coach or even if you're a judge like what are your biases like do you have affiliations with anybody conflict so we already do that so I think they need to start pulling from the polar guy is it just to fight yeah I wish they did that and I think there's more think you and MMA and BJJ but it's not no I guess there's like a stereotype too and maybe you can talk a little just funny cuz this stereotype like if you're a fight or clearly you're stupid yeah like that's the I mean I mean if you're involved in a fight business you know that's not true but the stereotype does exist you know people go like Oh clearly you're not very intelligent that's why you're getting punched that for a living well if you I think I'm amazed because it's thrown that on its head back in the day you know if you wanted to be a professional fighter boxing you know do you specifically because it's much older right you usually came from a background of poverty you know it was a way of overcoming you know it was like nowadays kids that come from chitti neighborhoods they want to be rappers yeah well back in the day if you wanted to be you know if you came from a shitty neighborhood you didn't have access to education or or opportunities that maybe somebody who is more fluent had well then you could always fight your way out of it so then I think that's why it became synonymous that will if you are a professional fighter then you probably are educated because you you know why would anybody who had the opportunity to be a doctor or an attorney or an engineer why would they choose to walk in and fight people and I'm like man I I just called fights in Tulsa where the one of the competitors owns his own practice he's a he's physician I think is a professional fighter so to me it's like the old die day is of oh you know you're not very intelligent you're a fighter well that guy writes prescriptions yeah he's a doctor I don't get much more the standard of intelligence can be much more to achieve than is with that guy absolutely I think it's also I mean you're absolutely right about the origins of the sports in general a lot of sports are like that - football NBA is he says a shot of someone who doesn't have the opportunity says someone with more wealth but just by pure physical ability and motivation can't achieve high levels of success but I think particularly mixed martial arts there's so much strategy involved because you have so many weapons that it does land to somebody who's at least tactically a smarter person that they had to think about this because if you're just a knucklehead he is coming in there and try swing you're not gonna get too far oh we don't see those guys anymore if you think about it when's the last time you saw a guy there you go [ __ ] he doesn't know how to fight but man he's such a great athlete I don't really know anybody but I can give that moniker to now on the flip side I can point a guy's that go well he's not a very good athlete but he's so technical Demian Maia look what he was able to do in the UFC career Damian is not a world-class athlete you know you sit and go hey we're all gonna play game and pickup basketball I'm probably gonna pick him last yeah but the guy you know knocked on the door of a title several times and then you know some I think we considered a successful career yeah nominally a successful career because of his ability to understand strategy and tactics and his mind is really what you know put them that far you can't say the same on the athletic side yeah you can't sit there goalie Jersey it's a pity well that's why I like martial arts much more than you know sprinting that's some thought look I'm impressed as the next guy I've seen that but a lot of that doesn't impress me anymore because I'm like there's nothing I can ever do yeah you're born that way it's like okay it was same bolt and I he can decide never to train another day of his life he can lay in bed all day and I can go and train 12 hours a day have the best doctors best coaches everybody around me and I still can't beat that guy in a race yeah I could put all the effort in the world and you can put zero effort so sometimes when I watch that I'm like oh speak to me watching a sprint or a race or some athletic events I'm like basically we're just measuring who's taller yeah that's right well you're taller than him I'm like okay well what did you have to do it you were more than you were born with incredible genes just broke a record hey just run into two hours right he ran a marathon in an hour 59 minutes 43 seconds which is essentially a four minute 33 seconds mile pace 426 points for us Joe for reference Rob the fastest mile ever run like Google this was three minutes and 43 seconds so this guy is a little like 47 seconds slower or more or less than the best mom and the best mom ever but for about two hours Wow which to me is ridiculous that was transmat my girlfriend's a doctor I'm Jenna ask you like how this is physically possible you know like I didn't think that they could run it that fast and that long because he's essentially doing a sprint like four it's a good I think it's thirteen point three miles per hour most treadmills max out of twelve you know it's like it's ridiculous the pace that this guy having but like you said that guy obviously has a lot of genetics going first yeah besides the hard work dedication and I don't want to diminish you know I I think if some sports are more physically dominant and others are more intellectually dumb correct yeah I think fighting is a very mindset psychology emotionally you know charge sport and sprinting is oh I'm nervous before a race I'm like not the same as getting punched in the face you know like and and and and other aspects of it too like for example heart I think hiding have requires a certain level of heart that you know swimming doesn't necessarily care I just don't sit there that's why I don't we're biased because we're all in the industry well I can't think of anything more but here not to solidify your argument right or to back you up if I said okay pick the prototype body to be a welterweight mm-hmm there is no prototype binding there's guys like well that guy is tall and thin and it lends to this style of fighting this guy's short and strong or plug in this guy great endurance is this guy doesn't have anything he's just smart as [ __ ] like yeah you really there is no like I can grab every champion and be like what do they have in common you're like physically not a lot like whereas if I can go to football or soccer and pick out my okay if you're gonna have a strike or you're gonna have a running back what's the prototype biogenesis we have a prototype that we can sitting okay if you're gonna play a line back and then FL you're probably not gonna be 5 foot 9 400 pounds like that just does not exist because that does not lend itself to the athletic ability that you need to play that position you know we go to a football game like okay all the linebackers stand over there all the linemen go over there they tend all look the same oh my God all the linemen seem to be built the same I mean so this shows that the physical aspect of the sport has so much more weight and bearing on it then in fighting because again like I mean even in boxing which is more selective of what aspects of physically attributes are important but I mean like what two boxers look the same you know you can't sit there and go cane with a perfect body style is a Pacquiao type what about Floyd's body yeah what about a guy who's long and loose has great endurance but no punching power and this ties into something you said earlier about in the animal kingdom like why is it that we are the most dominant species on the planet it's not because we're fastest strongest but it's it has to be like I mean like in certain environments you would never outdo a lion or a bear not the right environment like we're the king of the jungle right and then fighting I really think that it is the best expression of the human ability to overcome because you are able through fighting to it's a combination of psychology and motion commotion control physical ability technique and I have a hard time finding other you know other skills or professions in life that are as complete as fighting because you really get a little bit of everything well it's the most primal thing and a necessary thing that we've had to do throughout history I mean to survive back in a day it's fighting either fighting for position you're hunting you're killing things so like there's nothing more animal than being able to fight but I think it's also minute to say I'm very human actually Hugh yeah and I think the one thing that separates it like you said with motor sports as well is that there's so many tactics that you can employ but with MMA like you can win in a myriad of ways whether kicks punches knees elbows submissions chokes takedown so like that's why that you're saying what's the ideal prototype well depends how you're gonna win like you're a wrestler you make sure to sake your striker John Jones long and tall and there'd be shown all to work whereas when you have a sport that's simpler like let's say like running I mean once you master the stride and having a good gait there's not much else to it it's just now physical performance how much more can he yeah you know the other way I thought about the tutors explained that how much more mindset is involved you know battle of sexes is probably you know women's rights and feminism that made to move in and just you know women being equal to men it was probably again it's the forefront of everybody's conversation nowadays I have a much I saw something of the day where Serena Williams who one of the best female tennis players of all time she warmed up with a guy who was 200th yeah he murdered her yeah it was even close like basically they were shots and they were shocked that she scored one point on the guy like there like that he gave up a point I guess was like the wow and he's like we'd only know his name he's never gonna be anybody now I thought about that for a second like that shows you even tennis how physical attributes are really so much more important if I grabbed right now the greatest female fighter if I said hey Valentino's Evancho right and I got the 200th ranked guy in her weight class to fighter the wall gonna park right and it's not an insult it's just it is what it is but I actually think it'd be closer than those tennis match would be I think that athletes will be more important yeah I think the detect because its second I think make up for them yes you're right cuz there's so much more technique involved in our sporting strategy I think she would have a closer gap than Serena had with and because you're not competing purely physical with the guy enough now the guy goes and lowers his head I mean hey a guillotine is a guillotine I mean like give it mean if I wrap your neck the right way you know and that's tennis too which is to me like it's not the best display of human athleticism like sprinting to me like it's a much more power lifting or gymnastics and me is like that is the ultimate makes you wonder is it really a female male brain because we keepin people to keep telling me that they're like well in our brains were the same I'm like well that makes no sense a female her genetic if you believe in genetic evolution biology right there's a reason why a man has developed the way he developed because you know obviously through evolution if a trait was beneficial it survived and yes you know well you're telling me that the mindsets didn't change either like the priority for a female isn't there and I and I was reading a book on nonverbal communication right just on how to read people and talk just cuz you know you do business fifty percent of it's not even what you're saying but what how you're saying it how you're saying all right your physical you know expression and it was saying how women in fact I had I read this like ten years ago and since that day people sometimes think I'm funny cuz I bring my life with me almost any business medium and as the guys talking to me because I'm shitty at reading people I never realized that my wife is really good at reading people and then women are so much better but it was explained in the book it's said that hey men we're not supposed to read people we're off out in the woods hunt and gathering are doing it the hell whereto do a woman is home with the infants or babies for most of our evolutionary history right the case yeah and they can't talk so there was something wrong with that baby and it needed to communicate the women that were better at reading with their child needed obviously the child probably has those same genes and was able to pass them on because they survived so saying something like it's like and I'm probably murdering the stab but it was really a drastic difference basically our brain has three to five different sections that is using to read people a woman's brains like eight to thirteen different parts that's why they're better all the time I'll sit there in like we're having a conversation like that I really like that guy like him Jim what you think she does come back my wife's 104 a hundred so far she's never been wrong like this times where I have fought with her I'm like you are absolutely wrong on this one and then all of a sudden like a month later I'm like looking at my phone [Laughter] bring your wife with you where's our good read they're really good at reading people intentions body laying but see now that's how I think that's the future that's that's the plan said to have I don't think my wife's better than me I don't think I'm better than her we're just like even it's like we're a tribe but it's like a team sport right yeah she has certain attributes that make her better at certain aspects of the game of mine so guess what we're a team hey you know what you're better than I am you do it there's a big bear in the backyard I'm like okay well fine I got a better chance of winning it I got a better chance of what in this view do let me grab the rifle I like guns like to shoot [ __ ] I'll go kill the bear I'm not gonna sit there go let me take care of the baby and you go kill the bear really but we're known in the world were like what you just said it's but it's kind of like reality biological reality got flipped on its head and it's supposed to be like no no the woman should be able to kill the bear I'm like why swim upstream yeah why it goes against my martial arts mind we're like I'm always looking for the easiest way to accomplish the most right how can I you know Italy if I'm using a wrench on a tire I'll put a pipe on the outside of the wrench to extend my lever oh I can use less strength where I can use the same amount of strength and get that much more result out of it so when people tell me women are gonna do this now and men are gonna do this I'm like that's just not as efficient yes like why like what by part of my brain if I was better at it than I will do it but my wife's better certain things than I am then like what will you do it you're my wife's much more organized than I am she does the whole schedule I guess they can sit there and put I'm the man of the house I'm gonna make the schedule it's gonna be shitty schedule compared to hers you're like she's so much more for thought behind it because like I told you my girlfriend's a doctor [ __ ] psychiatrist so you know women being doctors is not really a common thing it's starting to now but like if you look back maybe like a hundred years ago we're doing like highly skilled educated professions was not as common you know so I get from an intellectual standpoint where a lot of women feel like oh you know we were held back because of unfair is nine opportunities but I do believe in evaluating people's performance is a hundred percent like yeah I am totally against there being two physical standards it makes no sense to me if you're a firefighter and and I deemed about you to be a firefighter you got to carry a 50-pound sack up two flights of stairs I don't even know if that's requirement is now using as an example you can't sit there and go well the woman has to only do 30 that's why you're telling me in a life-or-death situation is the hose she's gonna grab lighters or a female okay well it's a woman woman hose ought to be politically correct oh because I work at a nuclear power plant at one point and I was a field operator and you have to carry yeah you have some crazy like uh they call me torque range static giant like 50 pound wrench and I remember there was a woman it was like a bunch of Navy dudes there's a bunch of guys and there's like two girls they were really tiny maybe like a hundred pounds and the guys are doing well no no the thing is they're applying for the job but it's like can you carry this torque wrench by yourself because otherwise you're a liability now I mean and likewise and jobs are very physically demanding it's not realistic right so like that I think sometimes they stretch I think mentally yes men and women can be equal and women can be better right I think those type of biases are are not good I think the physical biases though are definitely real right we can't pretend they're not like when we say like ah a man a woman could do anything a man can do physically it's like you're stretching the boundaries a bit physically it's not a good look because I mindset is harder to grasp because you can't measure in the same way you can measure power you know out of standard and whoever like look my daughter is a 1% of what females are capable of doing yeah she's a pinnacle of what a female athlete you know like I go to the gym I lift with her she lifts as much as all the boys right now in her age group lift she's one of the strongest girls in the gym that's not going to continue to be the case as they enter puberty and testosterone fills their blood yeah but if you put together standing okay we got to do eight pull-ups Bella can do a pull-up yeah I don't think we should lower the standard are you gonna get a lot less female applicants into certain positions yeah you know it's just the way it is you know like I'm sorry but like there's a physical standard there's some guys out there that can't do pull-ups do I should I feel bad that I'm discriminating are you gonna be like well go to the gym figure it out the way that you know the lifts like while I was only born with one hand I should have seen my opportunity I'm oh not for this type of position I'm sorry yeah you mean like discriminate but you got to figure out a way with one hand to do the pool yeah yeah I think you were you saying performance evaluation is what should be what job you should did not because everybody should get the same movement if you want to be equal 100 percent then but then at the same time on the backside take an easy route it's like well do you want to be equal or not do you want to be on the same playing field or do you want to you want a handicap otherwise you're discriminating backwards you're changing the standard by train privileged essentially oh I only have to do five pull-ups not even well creating you're doing exactly the opposite of what you claim to be doing by fighting for equal rights you're changing the rights by changing the expectations a police officer but I don't agree like I feel like the standard should be out there for female should be the same for male are there women out there that could kick ass there's a few out there I'm not saying there's not but out of the majority just like you know the certain are there guys out there through our pale who can run it under you know a ten-second hundred meters yeah there's not as many that are from Jamaican ancestry though they tend to be faster sprinters I'm not being a bigot or a racist by pointing out that like well certain physical attributes seem to come from certain cultures or certain you know makeup then that's fine I mean like it is what it is but trying to sit there and make up rules to fight it is biology yeah ology can't be bias the truth can't be biased if it's something that is if it is scientifically backed up you're angry at the facts and you're shooting the messenger why I mean you can if you want it's a free country and I think that people ought to express themselves but like you're basically you're in denial of the facts yeah you know and it's just I think when it comes to physical and athletic ability it's so easy to demonstrate that it's not even a debate well would it come in psychological side it's it's more complex but a lot more mobility when it comes to you know human but even that and when it comes to combat I don't think the average woman has even the right mindset if you think about it like look at chess chess is there's no physical expression whatsoever you can be you know Hawkins in there in a chair you know and play chess right mind yes totally the most money the most mental version of combat I can think of yes it's a male own sport yeah I don't know single female world champion they have one that beat Kasparov but it's like she's the exception to the rule but you have you're right yeah well yeah I can tell she's European I think but she's I think she's beaten cosmonaut before but it's it if it does it happens just like it's accessible I always say like there are other Bellas in the world yeah you know my daughter right but she is far in between what they have male and female categories and Jess so I think men are more strategical when it comes to these things in general not as a rule because you got to be careful you say this cuz you're gonna find the one woman who proves like we're looking about patterns and average here we're not just saying about single cases if you go into most men's household the ability to raise children right that maternal I take care of a child women tend to get to it a lot easier than most men now not that I can't find a guy out there that's mister mom of the year and the most amazing guy but on average if I grab a hundred random dudes and a hundred random girls on I've okay make sure this child lives until next week what the powers of PlayStation turns off I feel like you're describing every relationship on the fly it's exactly we're so like mindless when it comes to yeah oh yeah you don't you forget you don't think about it man you're busy living in your little world and I'm so bad at communicating I just got yelled at for coming here right I jumped out of bed but I saw the text rather oh [ __ ] my wife's what are you doing oh my god I gotta go real quick till Robyn meet him at noon she's off why didn't you tell me first I'm okay because I was talking about this I'll take a picture when I get done not up to no good I just forgot like where's Jennifer like I could tell you I know pain I know we're going to the pumpkin patch later today at six o'clock and I know who's gonna be there because of her you know her organizational skills of 100% yeah it's like yeah I think like just wrapping that up everything I think should be judged based on the perform performer yeah any other metric not like what your color is male female whatever know where you come from that doesn't matter if you could do the job we want you right yeah yeah the guy I don't care that good like you know I have my own business and whatnot I don't care what the person that looks like what they believe in if they know how to do the job well I love the guys own businesses right here's the one stereotype where one thing that I I personally call [ __ ] on right to come off such as long as I love my daughter I swear to God and you're a great that by the way I know Frank personally he's an outstanding father right when people sit there go women only make 77 cents on the dollar of what a man makes doing the same exact job and I sit there and go that's not [ __ ] possible because business owners ship jobs overseas to save [ __ ] money yeah so I'm telling you right now like hey you could hire me for 10 bucks an hour or you can hire my daughter for seven dollars and 70 cents for $1 yeah who you gonna hire as the business owner you mean you're gonna be so pro man that you want to pay somebody 30% more just so you can say you put a man in that position that's nonsense it's nonsense it's from a business perspective it doesn't make if you were a business owner and you had a group of people that you could pay a third less you're hiring all those people especially when it's like well the Americans are fiercely patriotic and our jobs are aware our Beckett in China like a biggest competitor like we know China's our biggest competition on the global stage everyone knows this right they're about to do the u.s. in terms of it you know the size of the economy there are a few years away so they have right now we sent all those jobs over to China that's how little there's actor right now because look at the NBA look at right now blizzard [Music] Blizzard is owned has a partial ownership of Chinese community kensho or whatever anyways one of their players said someone against in support of the Hong Kong protests right he has a 12-month ban he can't play his sport could you imagine right now if you had a digital competitor who came out and said hey I'm Pro Hong Kong or pro-china whatever but then because the company the tournament or the IBJJF F or F says dude he's suspended for 12 months that was show there's a huge influence at this China would have all you and you've seen it in the NBA one of their coaches said something and the NBA they don't want to get a civil rights lawsuit so they're not gonna do anything to him but they've had to like apologize cut games because China you know NBA the same thing with with if you look at Disney if you look at how much money movies make in China our whole Hollywood everybody's bending over backwards to the Chinese did not offend them it's like well hold on it's it's a communist country guy said you're not allowed to have free speech over there and now because we have business ties with them we're not allowed that freedom American capitalism bending over to the size of the demographic I never saw that in her business yet Disney's business is severely impacted by what you showed I mean it was a good chunk of money I mean I forgot what movie they uses the example that basically made like 900 million here it made like 650 million over in China so you're talking it isn't like a drop in the bucket portion of their marketing but now the sudden they're allowing China to to dictate their speech so long story short base basis decisions are based off of finances not off of politics and political people the rest has a place of role there but like if you're a businessman you're hiring based off of any informants exactly that's what I mean I I own a business I prefer to hire women get any more organized most of my employees when they're morning they are more organized a hundred percent you know but do I put a chick to teach class in front of a bunch of men I think that rarely works I seen it work we have one of our schools in Mexico she does she teaches in front of a bunch of guys and it works she's a good leader but it's the exception like again we're talking what average we've gotta stick to that whatever I watched James Bond that's one movie where I call total [ __ ] I'll if James Bond is real if we have a super agent super spies in the world they're all female they're not males because if I have to send someone in manner down when it comes to [ __ ] we can't see that coming but it's funny I teach this to my children Cades right they just just turned 14 and he kind of has this girl he likes and he's been kind of making you know well I don't want to go here rather go here and so he could see her yeah so he's making choices based off and then I get it I told them but I say it caves if you want to be you know I'm always trying to tell my kids how to be better than me yeah here's a here's what I've achieved in life please let that just be the bar you want to jump over I don't know you're not allowed to accomplish less than me I mean it's either the same or more where I failed as a father and I tell Kate you want to know like if you want to know right now your greatest weakness your penis it's because you're a man it's your greatest weakness Trump had that one secretary that was helping him and she's given information out to the people it's cuz she was cute she worked for two years under him for a year and a half it was because she was hot and here she had like no ability to keep her [ __ ] mouth shut in a bar you know he's spilling out information and he had news you know people were telling him hey she's a [ __ ] because she was hot he allowed her to stay but then on the flip side I tell that to Bella my Sibella Mike do you see now your brother's bring this weakness she goes yeah I told Cades what is it he was my penis I'm like so Bella what does a man's greatest weakness you know so for Bella they become I know this sounds diabolical I guess but I'm teaching my children how to be men at the future and how to take advantage of people if they need to survive in the jungle yeah because they're gonna [ __ ] screw you over if you find a good person great you found a good person but until you know they're a good person let's just treat them like we don't know yet their guard up keep our guard and so Bella learning like belly you can manipulate I see this the richest most you know intact businessman totally blow over by women I really like Bella's just sweetheart - it's don't feel like people when they're too kind yes you have to really like a keep your hands up I thought my daughter's the same thing Bella really gonna have to be engaged - rolling that things will be more savvy because he's you know baby of the family but those two kids like yeah like someone can come over and take advantage of them cuz my children aren't around animosity or anger or you know just people that are unhappy with their life I've ended friendships with people because their children are the same ages of mine and they have a shitty household and I just sit there and go I don't want your kids are on my kids no children are not like my children my kiss and love of my kids your kids need a hug you mean they're angry and they're gonna take it out on my kids and I don't want that you know well separate well that's your job as a parent to is precisely to guide and guard your children and they're there until they're old enough to do that for themselves right yeah it's the ultimate job frankly just by switching gears a little bit I wanna like what is it going back to you you're just I think it's like gonna want it because like I know we've had this discussion and probably many many times what I like to have it you know for for our listeners what how do you feel like what do you what is your mindset walking into fights like what is emotionally how do you deal with it because this is something that competitors and fighters deal with and I feel that you've always dealt with it exceptionally well but I know these human to you know they're always with mommy because we're friends you've always shown your human side to me as well you know I've no like a I'm super tough guy I'm always you know um you know I'm never nervous or scared or anything like that you might talk without your weaknesses and it's when it comes to you know it's funny because I I tell people this all the time it's just you're doing fear I am very much of a [ __ ] you know I don't like pain I'm not the kind of guy that all we're gonna do this like that bugs me I don't want to do that like that's why I actually learned how to fight because um I go I want to control myself my own mind and learn how to leverage my ability to the best of you everybody goes you know torturing I'm like everybody has a braking limit some people more than others and so I martial arts to me as a way of me controlling my mind and and really as simple as this I just try not to project too far into the future when I'm backstage in a locker room I try not to and I say I try not to because I still do oh my god what if I lose what if I went but those are thoughts when they enter my mind that stress me the [ __ ] out they do my heart rate jacks up I'm sin they're all [ __ ] cortisol goes through them yeah so I feel like I'm heavy my legs filled with lead oh my god my god so what I do is I just try to avoid that my god when we come out in touch hands what do I know most likely my opponents gonna do all right well you know he's gonna start moving around he likes to move to his right to set up his right hand okay and then what are the three most common things he does from there well if I give him an aggressive stimulation he's in a fire off this if I give him a neutral stimulation he's gonna do this if I start moving away from him this is what he's gonna do and I should start making it a math equation X Y Z is that I have you do this some into this news and I get lost in that because to me it's positive way to control my mind because they can't hear on people say empty your mind I'm like it's impossible I can only fill my mind with something else yeah so I fill it with positive thoughts that are helping me so now I'm using visualization on okay the guy shoots on me first thing I'm gonna do it I'm gonna turn the corner hit a wizard put pressure on the head if he pops up from that I'm gonna bring my inside leg over and maybe I'll grab the neck if I feel like he's gonna cross over my guard and I'm gonna post and neck push it I mean like I have I have a series of things I'm gonna run through and that's oh I'm gonna fill my mind with not fill my mind with what if I lose what if I went because I really can't control that and that's what I noticed makes me the most stressful so when i zoom off into my thousand mile stare a thousand-yard stare that's where I'm at that's from you just breaking down like okay I'm fighting Roy you know when he sets his feet I know the overhand rights coming or possibly twenty percent of the time it's gonna be an uppercut either way it's gonna be on these lines I know which line I have to go to and then immediately when I'm in that line what power do I have well my left hand will be charged I can have a straight laughter an upward depending on where his head is okay so now as I'm slipping the right hand I'm looking to see how far down his head goes is it uppercut time or is it a straight left time you know and that's why I feel my brain here's my next was like I knew you were gonna go in this direction this is where I wanted to have this discussion with you - what a Billiken say some people seem to really struggle we spoke to like I mean me and Dave spoke about this we spoke about this in private before Michaelmas would say the exact same thing is this ability to like if you can't get rid of it know what you can do is like focus on the mission yep how do you feel like you think some people have a harder time than there's or this is something we're all equal on and some people just need more practice or something really maybe they have a predisposition to allow their emotions and fear doubt and anxiety to take over control over their thoughts and they have they just have this inability to switch that off and you know like let's focus on the mission well I think that if everybody's attached to it it makes everybody nervous and I really feel like the only solution is to as you said Express position know the mission you focus on them and focus on the mission I like that I'm gonna use phrasing from now on because a lot of people miss is what I used to do too I used to be so overwhelmed by the emotions of walking out in front of thousands of people winning and losing is the end of the world you know what could happen that I actually did the worst thing possible which is I became unattached so that's why I have people something you watch me walk out to a cage I almost look like I was turned off I was turned off I was completely like I don't care if I win or lose it doesn't matter you know almost like a Nietzsche type you know like look we're all [ __ ] walking corpses anyways you know what does it really matter like yeah and so I became unattached which then that doesn't drive you doesn't focus you doesn't give you a reason for succeeding and trying to storm you're basically becoming a reactionary individual like okay as the situation comes I'll deal with it and that does sometimes work you know as being reactionary but I think it's much always a huge improvement or a much more preferable to be proactive and and fill my mind with positive things and then the others the reason why I found that was so useful is that I became really proficient at doing maneuvers I've been in the back locker room and guys have shown me do this and I've looked at it and pulled it off in the fight and people like how the hell do you do that I'm like well I thought about it probably about 10,000 times in that two-hour period that I had and I remember when you fought Nogueira for the first time and you dropped him with that lead that jab we call that funny you learned it what two weeks before a fight and someone showed it to you I remember someone showing you that combo and you really liked it and I knew I know you didn't grow it because I was part of the camp you barely drilled it at all I know that in your head you went over that move a million times when the situation presented itself I mean that's what you were able to do it and that's because you can go and your wife could tell you the psychology my brain when I when you would visualize something and you run it through and then you have a memory of actually doing something your brain really has a hard time of telling the difference yeah between did you create that image or did you actually do that and so I mean I take it the neural pathway was created so I take advantage of setting up that neural pathway and the more times I can fire that signal off because when I read I learned really early on okay but to the synapses between two axons right that neural pathway what makes it stronger well the more times of fires well my physical attributes are finite I can only throw a straight left or that right uppercut how many times can I drill it before my shoulders on fire my hips are burning not that you know physically drill it but I could drill into my brain I could sit there and driving a car and I pull over and my wife always says it's me she's so she only recently planned that out to me I don't talk in the car she was you know how off standing it seems to be in a car with you I'm drilling in my head yeah all kinds she's like okay I get rammed by a car two guys get out with guns what do I do and then I like to have scenarios and I'm just constantly running through my head okay the kids are with me the kids aren't with me I have accident this guy I don't have exodus gun it really I'm constantly drilling in my brain but I'm not the only one I don't drive with music in the car I don't either that's always silent everybody's like what's wrong with you like know that I'm thinking my kids are the same people now they sit in the car like this is just a couple times I feel like say how was school good I mean oh come and have great conversation but I can see - there's a scene yeah they're in their own head - because they're making me it just constantly just used you know there's a [ __ ] man I tell my wife that she goes there's a [ __ ] party going on - a lot of noise and I did okay make fun of me all the time because I cannot meditate like that what we're describing and not make facial expressions and talk I move my mouth oh I'm doing right now your nose like snarled up you know I literally sometimes like I like I'll make sure expressions what's going I do the same thing yeah it's an expression what's going on my head and I get angry I said not care when people interrupted me not much the [ __ ] up I'm in my zone here don't it's like you know you're really focused on something and they want to pull you out of your zone I'm like no man let me leave me in my zone I'm happy here so you must do this too because I do this all the time I'm the worst person to drive with like you have to be on me while you're driving or I Drive around in Vegas even like to come to your house or that I know where you lost I have to set my directions because otherwise I'll pass the exit and just keep on going I've driven please run like where the [ __ ] yeah oh my god like I come back to reality you should take that as a compliment like great minds it's it's a feature of great minds really it gets so distracted like Adam Smith would literally he was known for walking for hours on end and then like not knowing where he was when he stopped walking yeah he was out of it just walking and then he come back you home and write down his thoughts yeah you know and I think there's some of the best ideas and the best moments I've had with myself were completely by myself living inside my own head yeah I'm so happy in there I so people my people pull me out of that I'm almost like angry like why did you pull me out of Disneyland man because in my head is like the happiest place in the world you know yeah it just goes we talked about the other day visualization the power of n obviously you're doing a lot of it and it's just so bad like I don't know anybody who's achieved great things without seeing it here first you know yeah it's exactly what I said I think what you said was the the really drive the point home where is physically you can only do something so many times mentally you said it's infinite it's just amount it depends on your patience like how much time are you willing to dedicate to practicing that in your head a lot of people are lazy or they just don't see the value in it and they don't put the time and it shows you know because then they can't perform the same way that they do in a more stressful situation because they haven't lived it enough well that's the thing that the only time that I feel that like it's very important for me to physically drill someday is if I can't feel it in my head I mean like there's certain I can sit there and talk about grabbing a guillotine while someone I'm in there guard I can feel being there I can feel them shifting my weight over I can feel them fighting my leg down but like there's certain like you know for me the butterfly sweep someone into that 411 yeah you shorted the other day I can't feel it in my brain like I can't really yeah I'm like sitting there going you know what yeah I can't feel it no I've wrapped it a couple times but still have them wrapped it enough or it's good I can feel it in my head so my development on that move has been [ __ ] than 1% so far is in I reverse guillotine my development to switch off to a Darce my timings increased I've only had to do it a couple times but in my brain I'm constant doing this when I feel like I pushed my hips away I know his arms I can feel your elbow getting closer to your head as you're trying to defend the guillotine and now my arms shooting across with you gars I can feel my hand on my bicep even without me being in there yeah we're a certain mood I can't feel funny say that because it's exactly I've always felt like there moves it came to me if I have a crack if I can close my eyes and I can see myself in the whole sequence I'm gonna be good at them oh yeah there are certain things I cannot see myself doing like I cannot see myself pulling off a hip throw I've been dude you just for 22 years I've never thrown anyone off my hip ever if I close my eyes and I try to see myself doing a hip throw I cannot make that connection and I and as a result I suck at him but like a guillotine innerdoors my brain I never drilled him a day of my life not once that I drew a guillotine and it's just like it just came to me naturally like even things that I physically could teach somebody and I could run it through but my brain as I'm doing there's like an alarm goes Boop doesn't work for me for example because the thickness of my legs in my ABS I have a hard time if I have an over hook and wrist control me pushing your wrist up and pulling a triangle anything happening I can't get my foot if I can get you you suck it Jiu Jitsu there isn't a smooth transition it's gonna take me like 30 seconds of fighting to get my foot over your shoulder to get between that crack so even when I sit here and visualize that I go boom I'm like I can't do that move my body knows that that's crazy how that is because I have these mental block now like I don't know if there's I think it's cry and I've tried to fix them you know for the longest I'm in strike and I couldn't see a right hand landing I cannot visualize my right hand the guy's head if I could just and then practice I never had to land a hawk I could land but that right hand for some reason was never punch you even though the pads I could crack the pads on with it but like when it comes to sparring like I have this block look at it and then your brain won't do it cuz it doesn't have like a pathway to follow it's like it's like the the schematics of movement aren't even in there yeah it's a go so there's something missing yeah yeah that's kind of that place to what your game is right because if you can't if you don't believe what you can do in here like you said it doesn't translate outside so like I think that that mental work is so important because that you have to be able to do it physically enough where it can be accepted and something that you matter and I love the way you're describing how you visualize it because you're feeling it you can see it you can actually physically feel it in yourself yeah and you go in like I always tell be able to make visualizations have to be very vivid right and like you said I I call them false memories because like you said like something if you don't even know if it actually happened right they did actually happen I imagine it doesn't matter I mean if you're able to do that now it's like you actually had the experience without actually doing it physically people know and it gives you like Iggy you only fight like what a guy who's a better fighter who has like 30-something fights that's a lot of fights and it takes years to do that but you could have 30 fights in a day you know in your head and get that same experience but you have to be able to get the feel you had to get the smell right because you know I think they have different levels of how deep into your mind you can go cuz sometimes I can just there very superficially and I'm and I'm normally someone interrupts me or something happens right but if I can be in my zone the longest I can be in there like I feel that deeper I can go into thoughts the more realistic it becomes like I've been on like social situations or like I'm on the verge of tears cuz I'm celebrating their title like I'm so emotionally and I'm actually celebrating in my head something that's entirely but it's so vivid in my yeah I get emotional really like I get like I'm like man that's like I just want a world title and that's how you know you're doing a good job of everybody on your heart rate starts to move faster as you start seeing the fight going through its it your your subconscious is accepting it it's like believable like this is happening you know if you can see the visualization and it doesn't excite you it's not working no yeah you're not you're not connecting something's not believable where your minds like now that was not gonna be an emotional response yeah right have you guys ever done flotation tanks you have done it yes yeah you guys it gets pretty intense right after it you're sitting in a tank I don't know it's like you're sitting in a tank that's isolated of all senses the water is lukewarm so it feels just like your skin so you don't feel anything there's no sound there's pitch-black there's no smell so all your senses are shut off so it allows you just essentially you're sitting in a giant cautiousness tank yeah and the idea is to do like meditation then when you go in there like when I did it like they had a guy tell you this is do a guided meditation go through this I heard you injuries also kind of go away when you can't feel them you don't feel anything because you're you're floating because it's a very high sailing water so you just float you don't feel anything you don't move but like once you start thinking you're going you go through these rabbit holes where you're like just flying through things and a certain point you start getting anxious depending on where your because you're just sitting alone for so long you know like so it's it's only like an hour you know but like it feels like a really long time yeah rogon them do that don't think they they smoked DMT first err Rogan I think they popularized because I think it was invented in 1930 s for what it was but no one spoke about it for decades and I think Rogan guys were like because he's big on psychedelics and all that stuff and I would imagine what it'd be like because I wasn't on anything when I was did the flow tank but I imagine if you did that high DMT whatever man I can't even imagine how she different dimension right there was a movie about that where guy was doing the we're basically like you in body was like get injured being a horror movie the guy wanted the floatation tank and stuff ago it was a sensory deprivation okay and somehow like it reverted him back to like caveman type like man who saw why he was like suppose it was a popular actor that played it you guys know what we're talking about then yeah send his text me direct message because I want to watch this now going like you know I became like a Jekyll and Hyde thing the last way you know you revert to this animalistic caveman version of humanity that was ripping open the tanker so that would be the thought-out prognosis of my - but uh Frank is anything else you want to know that touchdown everything a little bit it's fun conversation really yeah we will do it again I'm sure at some point like it's come on mine fumble fighting absolutely because Richard Aladdin so a good influence on a hundred percent why didn't you plug that in there you're at yeah phone boo fighting how you can listen to me on a stitcher radio or on Apple iTunes you can do the download Richard hunter and I and hopefully here will soon will have been on there once yeah that's fun I'll do it again for sure yeah excellent absolutely thank you so much for having us I hope you guys enjoyed guys if you enjoy the podcast hopefully you did you know share it with your friends give us some feedback - I really like positive and negative feedback I guess I'm simply got to work on let us know like we want to make this the most entertaining show possible for all you guys so this is really tardy in the martial arts audience but hopefully not just a martial arts audience because we go into conversations that I think apply to all levels of life oh you like Frank was saying you do me the martial arts is about controlling your mind yeah and that's something that everybody could benefit from that and I think that's the most beneficial part of the martial arts is that it translates outside of the sport like at a certain point your times done in the sport and then you don't want to be like well that's useless now like I want to be able to carry that with me from everywhere else and I feel that martial arts definitely does a component of that that's why when people come to me the biggest argument I have with people on the road is like oh I would like to do that I don't want to fight like you don't want to train martial arts you don't wanna fight that's like saying that I don't want to learn about music because I don't want to be in a rock there yeah okay like you could still appreciate martial arts and use it to train yeah and not making money yeah absolutely Aristotle said a complete man should study work and fight it's part of like part of like your education I I leaned towards that because it teaches you so much about yourself like I don't think people don't ever step foot in the to to Train and you know and get to know combat on a very deep level they're fulfilling their whole nature there's like certain aspects about yourself that are calling for your missing about a huge part of your human experience if you never experienced you'd have to fly profession but examiner's in combat yeah you know having someone trying to beat you is almost like looking in the mirror well that's why I tell everybody like look our emotions are what they are then it can't be created nor destroyed or urged to want to eat food there's a biological incentive to want to acquire calories now obviously in our society it's kind of haywire because it's so readily accessible now we have obesity right being violent is by you know I always tell people we are the descendants of people all of us here now you had to consume calories fight and breed if you didn't do that I always call it the 3fc if you're if you don't have that hardwired into your brain you probably don't beat you wouldn't be here right now and so and if you watch anytime you suppress something in a negative way it always backfires so yeah look at breeding right our sexuality the Catholic Church tells men you're not supposed to get married not supposed to be with a woman nothing so now all of a sudden like now they have this explosion of pedophilia going through I'm like well that's because you tried to subvert nothing now there's a good way to take it like okay well what if you're married with a woman and you're a monogamous relationship like oh yeah sex is good now but you can't so I'm not saying go out and you know go get AIDS and have sexual you see you know you can't suppress it you can't suppress and so I think violence is the same thing martial arts is a controlled violence learn how to control it it's much healthier if the Columbine kids had a martial arts they were purple belt in jujitsu I think they would have done that a hundred percent no they wouldn't have done that when they fighters would have choked the kid out or two in school idiots they would have had self-confidence but they wouldn't have been such an all zero violence until I went all screwed I got a gun and go to school and all these primal urges have to be expressed yes if they're not a healthy way to do it yes as Nietzsche would say he would say something no longer you have to become who you are society tries to steer you away from who you really want what your nature is and like we have to find that nature whatever it is because we're not identical we're all slightly different but you have to embrace that and that's how you fully express yourself in everything in your full capacity and I agree with you guys I think fighting is an expression of this nature excellent I think we can do it delayed closed well we had a lot of fun thank you so much Frank I really appreciate it man and yeah it's again guys hopefully you guys enjoyed share and I'll see you guys we'll see you guys next time [Music]