BTG 132 - The Ultimate Submission Showdown

[Music] Hello and welcome to another episode of Breaking the Guard. On today's episode, I'm going to talk again about one of these old war stories, which is the ultimate submission showdown. This was the a tournament back in 2003 in Torrance, California where uh Hoyan Gracie, creator of the or one of the creators of the UFC, had created the Ultimate Submission Showdown as a grappling showcase, which from my understanding was supposed to be a showcase for Gracie Jiu-Jitsu because he had both his sons Hyron and Henner competing in opposite brackets, uh opposite sides of the bracket. jacket. And they also had a mix of grapplers, myself being one of them, Jeff Monson, Travis Lutter, uh, and a few other different styles. And I think they were kind of going for a little bit of the UFC one dynamic where you had like a sombo guy, there was a judo guy, there was a shoe fighting guy, was like the submission wrestler, you had Jeff Monson as the wrestler, and then you had two, you know, Gracie jiu-jitsu guys. And I think he was kind of hedging his bets, you know, figuring that his sons uh would be able to win the tournament and, you know, promote Gracie jiu-jitsu. But, um, chances are, you know, that didn't work out the way they thought it would. And but it did make for an interesting event. And just going into the background of it a little bit. At the time, I was doing really well in the grappling circuit. I was domin I think I was winning just about every Naga I got into no scratch that I did win every Naga that I got into all the absolutes and whatnot. Uh I I won those. I actually there's only one in Georgia that I didn't win which I contended I got jobbed but uh other than that I won them all. Grappers Quest. At that point, I had won every Grappers Quest I entered and uh my brother and I were being featured a lot in Grappling Magazine. So, you know, my stock was pretty high at that point. I know they were talking about me being one of the best grapplers in the country. It was me, Dave Terrell, and I believe Travis Lutter were like the three of that like 185 pound, 200 pound division as the top American grapplers. So, this tournament was a good one for me because, you know, Travis Lutter was in there. So, I'm like, "Okay, this is a guy that I I wanted to be able to measure myself against." Uh, he had was a two-time ACC trials uh winner. Uh he didn't get too far at ACC, but I mean I understand he was always given a really bad draw. Like he got like a compo one time, I think he got salow the next. Like he always had like the eventual tournament winner. So hard way to start a the 80C, you know. Uh but he was a really good grappler and uh of course Jeff Monson was in there and Jeff Monson is ADC champion. I think he had already won ACC at that point. I'm pretty sure. So, he was a high credential guy. Um, the the Gracies, I didn't know much about them other than they were Gracies. Um, and I figured they're going to be good in traditional positions like closed guard or whatnot. And, uh, the other competitors I didn't really know anything about. I know one of the guys that competed against, Peter Angra, was a German guy who was kind of an MMA shoe fighter. I know there was a judo guy. Uh there was um I think a shudo or catch wrestler or something like that. I can't remember every all the the different I mean there's only eight people but you know my memor is kind of whack. But uh in any case I was you know very excited to be part of this. It's a eightman tournament. I think it was like a $2,000 prize or maybe it was a $5,000 I think it was a it might have been a $5,000 prize. I know it was a good prize at the time. That was if it was 2,000, 1,000, three, that was good prize money back then. And uh they did go out of the way to like really treat all the the grapplers well. I know uh Rose Gracie was like the coordinator and you know, she was talking to me a lot. Uh she was coordinating all the stuff. They took care of our travel. They took us there to Torrance a few days before and got us situated and they were taking people around on a bus and they were doing some B-roll type stuff. So, pretty cool. It felt like a a real production versus just your standard tournament where you just show up the day of the weighin and then next day you compete. Like there was actually some forethought done into this. and uh they were really cool about you know taking care of the the fighters. So I was able to bring my you know my brother as my coach and then he had his wife along as well. Uh so at that moment that was probably the best treatment and grappling that I have gotten. Uh probably still to this day honestly like they did a really good job in that aspect. So it was pretty cool. Um, and what was interesting about this was you had Elio Gracie in attendance. So, I mean, you know, if you're a jiu-jitsu fan, that's pretty cool. You know, the the old man was still kicking back then. And they did a press conference at the weigh-ins and that's also where they drew the the brackets, which was I I believe was a randomized thing. They just had names in the bucket and I think Elio Hon was pulling them out and that's where they got the matchups and I ended up drawing Henner Gracie in as the first match of the tournament and then um Peter Anger got Kiego Kunahari who was the judo guy I believe. Travis Lutter man I forget the guy's name. Patrick or Pat. Sorry, man. I just can't. He was a really nice guy. Oh, no. Lance Campbell. Lance Campbell, I'm pretty sure. So, he went with Travis Lutter and then there was, uh, Hyen Gracie with Jeff Monson. So, uh, interestingly enough, these were like if they were randomized, which I believe they were, they were bad draws in my opinion for the the Gracie brothers, cuz me and Jeff were besides Travis were the most experienced grapplers. And this was a NOG grappling tournament. The rule set was a bit different, too. Uh, no points for takedowns, no time limits. first to submission or 12 points wins the match. As far as scoring, there was one point for reversals, which is any type of sweep or change of from top position to bottom position. Um, three-point guard pass, four-point mount, four-point back mount. So, pretty simple rule set, right? There's not much to confuse. Now, the the one caveat they had in there was if someone was playing guard for three minutes and the top person was unable to pass, they would stop the match, reward the guard player for with one point and then reverse the position to allow the bottom person to be in their guard and close guard. Kind of a weirdo, you know, rule they put in, but I guess it was to try to prevent stalling or whatnot. And to be fair, it kind of worked. Uh obviously the no takedown rule I think was to benefit the Gracies, right? Uh and perhaps because they didn't want it to become a wrestling match either. Uh with a first to 12point format, you could see how it could uh prevent the groundwork. So the I mean at the time I thought, oh man, this is kind of rigged, but I can see the logic in it, you know, being so far detached. like it did make sense, you know, like you want to see grappling, you don't want to see, you know, um garbage wrestling or whatnot and uh so I could see the reason behind it, but there was a few circumstances, particularly Jeff Monson was really affected by this rule where I think he kind of got cheated, right? But I'll get into that. So I was the opening match uh when I actually met Henner Gracie, I didn't realize how tall this guy was. I'm 5'9 at the time. time I think I was 200 lb or like you know somewhere around there. He was like 6'3, 6'4 and I think he was like in the 190s. So maybe a little lighter than but really really tall. Like to me he's like a basketball player tall. I'm like oh crap okay this is going to be an interesting challenge because when you're fighting someone that tall uh wrestling can be a little awkward and then you know the obviously the guard game can be a little trickier and I imagine Gracies I'm thinking triangles from everywhere right? So, uh, I had that going in my head. I was also thinking about strategy and I had decided with my brother, I'm going to pull guard on everybody. Uh, because I want to be able to automatically score the first point, right? Because I figured like some of these matches are going to be very technical. Like I figured going against Gracie, the guard's probably going to be pretty strong. So, I want to I don't want to give up a point to him and be behind on the race. So, I'm going to start off my guard first and that way I can defend my guard and get the first point, then start on top and then at least I'm ahead in the chase. I also figured no one had ever seen me pull guard in competition. I've think I've only pulled it twice in my competition history. Um, so most people expected me to wrestle and be on top. So I I thought it would be a good like strategy as well just to throw people off and I was working a lot on my butterfly guard at the time using double under hooks and whatnot. So I felt pretty confident I could defend it. So we get into the tournament. It's in a theater hall and it's you know very nice. They actually had that idea like I didn't remember this detail but it was kind of a pit big matt not as obviously if you guys seen CGI and karate combat the pit is very beveled theirs wasn't like that but it was a little bit sloped at the edges right just a little bit um and I know it's because I they recently released a video on Tuby and I'm gonna do a breakdown of my match with Henner because that one was an interesting match actually. A lot of action both on both ends. So I think that should be coming out uh next week on Saturday if I set it up right. Uh so you'll get to see that and I'll I'll put the link to the event on the description below this video uh just in case so you can get access to this as well. But they had a really good camera crew. They had a crane over the top so you know the camera could move around and they had cameramen all over. Like I said, production was uh was very well done. What was also interesting when we they announced us like you know they would in a real MMA fight. This wasn't like a naga or grappers quest or you know or or anything like that where there was like other things and this was just like we were the main event. That was the only thing going on. that the only matches were these eight matches that they were showcasing. So they announced me, they announced Hanner, and when I was on the stage on in the ring, I realized that uh you have Ed O'Neal, you know, for you old-timers, Al Bundy, right, from Married with Children. He's uh right ringside with um ah the gentleman Michael Clark Duncan who played the green mile was right next to him and then right next to them both Elio Gracie. So I'm like oh that's pretty cool. we had these guys, but they all of course trained with Hanner, so they were rooting for him. But, you know, nevertheless, cool to have, you know, those guys in the the audience. Match starts and I pulled guard immediately and my strategy was working. I was actually able to sweep because I went for a leg lock and then uh in the scramble I was able to wrestle on top and I got the first point. I don't I I guess I'm going to spoil a little bit of course, but uh the breakdown will explain everything in detail, but I did get in trouble quite a few times. Um he got me actually once in a really tight kimora and uh from a figure four guard, which is kind of crazy, right? Normally most people when they put you in a figure four guard they're just kind of stalling. He was able to reach over my back from being flat and lock up a kimura and I had to roll out to essentially give up the mount so that he can give up the kimora and then I was able to escape reverse him then pass his guard and once I got on top and I actually went to pass his guard I realized my knee cut game was like kryptonite to him. like they they weren't really well verssed in how to defend knee cuts. So, I was able to knee cut them multiple times uh back to back. So, about like the 8 minute mark in, I was up I think nine to five. So, I just needed one more guard pass to win and I was able to score. I was able to hit a guard pass. Boom. stick it. And mind you, I'm like in katame, head down, hips on the mat, controlling the under hook, have the other arm, uh, the tricep, and I'm like chest to chest with him, walking my hips up as he's trying to, you know, go ballistic to recover his guard. And I'm not kidding you, I believe in the clock 17 seconds past. And the referee, which was I believe Frania, he's just looking like doing something like some type of calculation. It was 3 second control time to score a position. I was there for 17 seconds before Henner finally recovered his guard and then the referee's like, "Oh, no score." My brother, it's funny in the video you can see him throwing a fit, right? And um I ended up having to continue to to grapple another 10 to 11 minutes before I was able to achieve victory. Uh cuz after that point, he seemed to get wise to the knee cut and started playing knee shield. And uh then it became harder to to pass. Actually got stuck in one u reverse side triangle that was pretty tight. That was probably the tightest submission that I had to really like dig dig deep to pull out of. But after getting out of that position, I was able to score a pass and win the match. I think at that point it would have been 13-7 that I ended up winning. But that match took 21 minutes. So, and like I said, there was a lot of action because I had to gut out of couple of the kimora and the side triangle, which was pretty tight. Um, he tried a collar choke at one point, but I didn't really feel that one because he was actually wearing a ghee. I forgot to mention this. Big deal, right? Uh, I guess they were trying to go with the whole Gracie image that, you know, they're going to go with a ghee in a no ghee tournament, but I was allowed to grab his ghee and I made judicious use of it because I was passing his guard also by just grabbing both of the sleeves and knee cutting off his uh off the sleeves. Uh, so like I don't think it really worked in his advantage to have that ghee. Um, or interesting choice, you know, I think they overestimated their ability to use it against, you know, their own ghee against the opponent, right? But I won that match. Uh, I remember after that match, they did a little interview after the the match just off the side, you know, like they do in the in the UFC or whatnot. And then I went to the back room. My heart was pounding because that that particularly that last triangle was really tight. Took a lot out of me and my heart was probably going like 120 easy. Um, actually 120 is not that fast. Maybe a little higher than that. But I know I was just laying down and my heart was just thumping out of my chest. All right. And uh probably for a good 30 45 minutes. Fortunately, I had a good enough break where I got to mostly recover from that because the the next match, I think it was uh Peter Anger versus uh Kiego Kunahari. And Peter was much small. He was the smallest guy in the tournament. I believe he was like maybe 160 pounds or something like that. Um 170 I think. Not not super light, but he was definitely the smallest guy. So, and Kiego was actually a big heavyweight and he was able to heel hook him very quickly, win that match. Then, uh you had Lance Palmer, not Lance Palmer, I'm think uh Lance, Damn, I I said his name earlier and I just keep slipping me. I'm thinking of Lance Palmer, you know, from PFL, you know, he he trains here also. So, I'm named Lance Campbell. There you go. uh fought Travis Lutter. Travis Lutter was able to catch him, I think, with a triangle or maybe it was Americana. Uh but he took care of him pretty early as well. Then the last match uh of the tournament, it was eightman. It was Hyron Gracie and Jeff Monson. And that match, fortunately for me, took a long time. It was I think it was over an hour and I had foreseen this situation particularly going against a guy like Jeff Monson where he's not particularly a great guard passer but he's great on getting on top so he was probably going to score top position and then not be able to pass. The person on bottom is going to get the point for the three minutes and then they're going to switch positions, right? So then Jeff also has a good guard like he like at least you know in his wrestling way he doesn't get passed. Uh so I figured like this match is just going to go back and forth one one and whoever got the initiative is going to win this match. And that's why I was always pulling guard first because I'm like if I'm going to get sucked into one of these battles, I'm going to be ahead on the scorecard. Jeff was wise to this too because he's a good uh tactician and he pulled guard first. So he had the first point. So you would have thought that he would have won on the 111 one like uh scoring but they kind of jipped him. And at one point he's off his back playing butterfly guard and Hyan's on top and he comes up to his knees and runs him over, right? Like kind of blast doubling him down but from his knees. They called that a takedown. didn't get him a score which basically flipped who was scoring the first point because from that point on now Hyen was going to be ahead because now the you know basically the order of who was up first uh switched so Jeff ended up losing 1112 when he should have won in my opinion 12 to 11 uh not a great match for people to watch right you know Uh but uh even though Hiren I mean Hyron win won that match, he lost the war because he just did over 60 minutes with Jeff Monson who is a huge monster. That's a lot of wear and tear. And his next match was Travis Lutter who is pretty much fresh. Um, on my end of the bracket, I had Peter Anger and I was able to make quick work of him. He I pulled guard and he tried to actually cartwheel past me, which is one of my moves, but I know how to defend my moves. So, when he tried to cartwheel through me, I jumped into a knee bar and then he had to give up top position and I ended up landing in top side control. Got to mount. He was pretty good at defending himself from the mount. He was kind of just crossing his arms a little bit. So I switched to side control. Locked up a kimoa and finished him with a kimura. And this was even before I was kimora trapping people. This is just classic kimo from side control. So that was a quick one for me and I needed that right because I needed time to recover. On the other end, Travis had and Travis is also a ghee player so he knows how to fully utilize the ghee to his advantage. Uh, so that was probably like a nightmare matchup for Hyron and uh, Travis pretty much destroyed him. I think it was like 12 to zero or whatnot. Uh, and he just kept getting his back. He was able to get behind him because Travis was very good at putting top pressure for passing and then they would try to avoid the pass, end up exposing the back and then he would capture the back. So, he ends up winning a pretty dominant match. I think his took a little longer, but it was very one-sided. So then that set up the finals for me and Travis. And at this point, I was feeling pretty good because I've had a good amount of break. I' I'm mostly recovered. So I feel fresh, ready to fight this guy. And we start the match. I used the same strategy, which was I pulled guard and I was able to defend my butterfly guard for three minutes. got the first point, got the reverse. I'm like, "Oh, we're doing good." And then when I went to pass, he or I think I went for a leg lock. I'm not sure what happened, but he ended up scrambling up to his feet or getting on top and then I pulled guard again. So, I'm like, "Okay, I'm up one zero. I'm on my back. If he stays on top for another three minutes, I'm going to be up two zero. I'm going to be, you know, doing good in the scorecards." But on the second time on top, my guard started to wear and he recognized that he had my number at some point because he put a lot of pressure on the on the pass. And at one point he was able to make a move and was able to jump straight to the mount. And u that was unfortunate for me because I pretty much went for the mount. I bridged over. He got back mount. I returned to uh you know bottom side control. He stepped into my half guard for three seconds and then whoom was able to burn me again with another pass. scored another three and then uh I went from one zero to 11 to one like in a matter of like 30 seconds or so like he or it might have been like more probably like a minute but he racked up a bunch of points really quickly and it was game point at that because 12 first to 12 wins and he was already up to 11 so I was like oh crap I goofed at that point I realized strategy change I'm not playing off my back anymore right like this I I I my guard's not working right now. I think I I was a bit more tired than I let on and I know for me especially back well mainly back then when I was tired my bottom game would suffer. If I was tired on top no problems but tired on bottom not great. So I recognized I got to work to my feet. So I I would stand up and then I think the first time around he pulled guard and uh he he didn't engage with me in the wrestling and then when I started working top pressure I got a couple close looks to passing and then I think he realized oh this is not good for me either. So then he stood up. So then we ended up having a wrestling match, but we both weren't really committing because I'm I'm thinking there's no scoring and you know, I don't want to risk getting overexposed on a takedown. So none of us were really committing to any serious takedowns, but they were pretty quick to address that. Like after like 20 seconds of kind of, you know, just dancing with each other, they flipped the coin and put one of us on bottom, one of us on top. And at that point, whoever ended up on bottom just wrestled up and then it restarted the game. And each of us got a little bit of time to work on top, but ultimately it kept resulting in somebody wrestling up. So, after a few of these rounds, uh, and there was quite a few, Travis, uh, one of them stayed on his back rather than try to wrestle up, but he played his guard longer, giving me more time to try to work to pass it, but he was playing a lot tighter, so it wasn't an open guard, like butterfly guard. It was all a lot of closed guards. So, I was just getting frustrated trying to open guard and get around it. And I didn't realize what he was doing. He was smart. He realized he can wait the 3 minutes, hold the guard, and since he wasn't playing close guard the entire match, his closed guard was fresher, I believe. So, he had saved his best guard work for that last round, uh, so to speak. And around the 30 second mark, he really locked it in. And then I realized, oh like he's going to win this match on the one point, right? Cuz if I don't pass his guard in 3 minutes, it's over. So I started I started panicking there to be honest. Like I'm like crap because I couldn't open the guard. I was trying to stand. The guard was staying closed and I was worried about getting back swept. I did something very silly. It looks so stupid when you see it on camera, but I'm like uh at one point his guard was still closed, but I kind of loosened up a little bit. His knees weren't pinching. And I'm like, "F it. I'm going to go straight down the middle." I tried to slide my way through his closed guard. And mind you, I got somewhat the way in. My knees were over his like stomach. Uh well, no, that that's not exactly true. My hips got through. My knees were just like inside his hips. So I ended up getting stuck there because he just locked a figure four almost like a lock down if you will if my memory served me right where I was basically now on my hands with my hips over his belly but my knees stuck between his legs. And now the time was very short. Like it was maybe like 15 20 seconds left. and the match was over. So I started doing the warm, you know, just like trying to wave my way through to wiggle my legs out, but I was also very knew like the very likelihood that I was exposing my back here because since I had to post on my hands, I couldn't block any gounders, right? like I you know but there I had put myself in this terrible predicament and there was nothing more I can do that I could figure out that moment except try to wiggle my way through this thing and at a certain point he took the opportunity to to duck under one of my arms and start climbing for the back. I went to a tripod but he was just too fast and was able to throw the hook standing. So I was tripoded but he had both hooks in and uh that's all she wrote. He ended up winning the the match. Uh, and there was a back bounce, so it ended up being 15 to one, right? Um, but solid victory by him. Uh, I obviously made some strategic blunders there, but it was a fun match, you know, like I I played my the best I I could with the hand that I had. And, uh, you know, they brought out Alio at the end and he did the whole ceremony. You know, Travis won the first place prize. I won the second place prize which I think was like 500 bucks or something which better than a stick in the eye right but uh it was a fun experience you know and um it was cool I got to watch the whole like I said the link is below if you haven't watched it yet just go ahead you can look at the whole event uh in its entirety on tube.tv TV, which is a free service. So, I think you have to register or whatnot, but like you get to watch it for free anyways. Uh, so no big deal. And then, uh, I'll release a breakdown of my match with Hanner uh, sometime next week. But yeah, that was a fun experience. And, uh, I got to measure myself with somebody who was at the top of his game, you know, at that time and probably, you know, one of the top grapplers in the country. Like I said, I got to grapple with Dave Terrell. Uh, I think it was after that event or maybe it was before. I also lost to Dave Terrell on a points. I think it was two-0 or something like that or it might have been 40-0. He ended up ended up giving up a takedown at the end to try to get him in a Kimura. That was a Kimora trap attempt that didn't work out. Um, but yeah, so I got to face both those guys. is both very very tough dudes and uh yeah there was a lot of solid grapplers back then. I know. Like I I think uh like I told you guys, I had Oliver here and I was showing him some of these matches and he was like, "Oh man, like this is a lot of like the I see a lot of elements of the modern game." Yeah. Yeah. Like they were doing it back then. You know, obviously the guys now have refined it a lot more, right? But like there were the the same fundamental principles were always in play, you know, but we've just gotten a lot more technical. I and I feel like the smaller details we're able to leverage a lot more now. Like obviously the leg lock game like if you watch my match I was doing all ashami attacks and it was just straight ankle lock, heel, hook, knee bar. Those were like the the attacks I going for and they were very elementary, right? Uh and not the cleanest either. In particular, my match with Henry was a little trickier because he was so tall. It felt awkward because I could never really get far enough down his leg. Right. And like I couldn't create enough separation I felt because like he was too tall for me to get to the end of that lever, you know, because I want to get all the way back so that his toes are touching my tricep, you know, and I'm right under his Achilles. I kept being like calf deep. I'm like, "Ah, this is not working." Uh, and he also tried to go for a lot of foot locks, but none of them were close either. I felt like it was like the opposite problem. like I was too short and like we didn't find our range at all for leg locks. So, it was like a non-factor in the match. But, uh yeah, those so those are good times and I'm happy that I finally got to see this. like you don't understand. Like my brother at one point had put like a $10,000 bounty uh back in 2003 and four like for someone to give us video to watch this match and it was always like rumors like oh yeah I it's in Gracie Miami or oh like we have it here like people would say I've seen the match on video but like no one would ever like you know share it or even sell it again. My brother wanted to buy it. I'm guessing that it was kept, you know, hush hush and uh but I guess for whatever reason they finally decided to release it on Tuby. It's a weird platform to release it on, but uh I'm glad I got to see it and my memory served me mostly correct because I remember in Grappin magazine they reported the times like pretty off like they were saying my match with Hener was like 13 minutes. I'm like, man, that match was a lot longer. And then when I look and I watched it on the actual match, I'm like, yeah, it was 21 minutes. I'm like, that makes sense because I remember it was a long freaking match and I was exhausted, you know, and I had good cardio. So, like, for me to be really tired, it had to be a long match, you know? And then my match with uh uh Looter was also a longer one. It was like 15 minutes or something like that. So, like these were battles, you know? Uh and these were continuous rounds. It's not like ACC where there's a break and then you get to start over like this is just one long round. So, uh the no time limit concept there worked when you combined it with a point limit, right? So, these matches weren't boring. Well, the exception of maybe the the the Monson Hy match, but the other matches like my match with Henner, I mean, I'm biased, but it was exciting. And not just because of me, like he was doing a lot of good work on there. And in the breakdown, I I I I'm not biased towards myself. I covered a lot of his good catches and sweeps, you know, so like it was a good back and forth match. Uh and the other matches there were a lot of submissions. So like it was a solid rule set, you know. Uh it's a shame that it didn't really take off because it did work, right? It did make for a lot of ground work. Now, I I feel there could have been some tweaks because they totally killed the wrestling by having no scoring in the wrestling. I understand they don't want people to gain the wrestling, but I I think he could be a little more creative to make that work, but I think it accomplished his job. You know, it was an entertaining event. Um, it just sucks that I I think that Hiron or not Hiren I'm sorry, Hon didn't release it because I I think he felt like, oh, it wasn't the outcome he wanted. I obviously I imagine he was expecting both his sons to meet in the finals and then one of them win and then you know victory for Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, the best grappling sport, you know, martial art in the world, right? And obviously kind of fumbled the bag there because his son lost the first round. The other son should have lost the first round but ended up getting beat badly in the second round. and you ended up having two Americans that are like, well, Lutter is comes from a Brazilian jiu-jitsu background, but I was, you know, Ronin, so I don't think it was the outcome that they were hoping for. And I think as a result, he's like, "Oh, we're not going to release this or market it because this is kind of wasted, you know, like I'm not going to release this event to push something that brings Gracie Jui down." Which is unfortunate because it was a good event and especially at the time the production value was really high. So kind of wild that he just like sad that to take a loss, you know, uh because I I imagine it must have costed a pretty penny back then uh with all the production that they put into it. But at least we got to see it now. Better late than never. And uh like I said, links going to be below in this description so you guys can check it out and you can let me know your thoughts. And uh thanks for listening to the story here and I will see you all next