BTG 14 - Order and Discipline

[Music] hey guys what's going on David Ave on here Robert Drysdale for another edition of their breaking the guard podcast Robert just came back from a big European vacation I wouldn't call it a vacation it seems like it if you follow me on Instagram because I don't post boring pictures you know he's the most really good picture I work on it man like I've always liked like photographer I try to like work on better angles and dust off my phone I got to get a professional camera these days but I had a layover and Portugal Lisbon which I'd never been to always really want oh it's beautiful and it was like like six seven hour layover so you know what I'm gonna walk around like a day-off walking around Lisbon is very beautiful highly recommended a lot of resins there I expected reason is I think half the people I interacted with the Brazilians are surprised and then I went to Sweden Ireland Strasbourg in France and then I had a day off in Paris so some seminars shout out to you know Kyuzo Dublin for hosting me as PR in Stockholm and infinitude Strasbourg I for hosting me hosting the seminar so I had a lot of fun I hope they enjoy it too nice I'm sure a good man I'm sure they're very cool so I want to start today with I saw some news you know Keenan Cornelius just opened up his new gym or he's opening up his new gym Lee Jay I heard it's beautiful you know BJJ like 7,000 square feet at the mat space that's crazy in jiu-jitsu yeah and that's awesome I'm happy that he was able to make that move I know he's bounced around to a few places trying to find his own spine sometimes you have to make it yourself you gotta you know I think he's too big to go in someone else's home and I don't think you wants dad I think it has the aspiration to do something else I think he's gonna start slowing down competing soon it's it's a natural progression now you want to be more of a coach business owner kind of thing he seems like it seems to me that's what he's trying to do yeah like you said natural progression from becoming a heavy competitor and then now slowly starting to fade back a little bit and become coaching his online coaching has done really well so you know it's it's at the right direction I think for him one of the things that he sparked a little controversy on it was where there was two things really one of them is he's calling his brand of jiu-jitsu Americans you just say or ajj he's not the first one like I think Jake Shields was I think he has tattooed if I'm not mistaken yeah I think Jake Shields was like the first guy to put out yeah American jiu-jitsu as a brand right so but he would be essentially following that lineage so I guess we can start there and we'll go to the second one afterwards so like my thoughts on it you can call whatever you want I suppose it seems kind of weird in the sense because he is training he learned Brazilian jiu-jitsu Yeah right like this even though like yeah I know he was somewhere else before I think lloyd irvin then lloyd irvin even though Laurie rivers American and still Brazilian jiu-jitsu and he doesn't get branded ain't differently and then he went to Altos and that's more Brazilian Jiu Jitsu so I guess it would have to be a clarification what makes your jujitsu American yeah I think it just depends up for the two different things or one of them is are you claiming as Brazilian or American or Japanese origin teen Ian because for nationalistic purposes I was born here I'm proud of my country I love my country I don't want to practice a sport that has someone else's country on there right and that is well be one motivation the other one would be are there cultural traits that have been assimilated into martial art itself not adjusts on the technical level but even even on the social level right and I have always been of two minds I'm like probably better positioned most people because of this because I've done a lot of training in Brazil here I got dual citizenship and my take on it initially was always to be against any kind of nationalism because that's how I saw like why president we didn't call it Brazilian jiu-jitsu in Brazil incidentally like you don't go to China ask for Chinese food I actually did that entire ask for Thai tea in Thailand they were looking at me like I'm crazy you know like no one calls it Brazilian jiu-jitsu in Brazil I call it here so I didn't like it at first but I understand why people wanted to use it because there's a lot of people that still make the association with the traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu often you know swords and spears or things that we don't practice so it says it's not because our what we practice we call careers in jiu-jitsu I actually think we should call it Brazilian judo if you ask me it's a far more appropriate term to call it Brazilian judo cuz that's what it is a variant of judo that's all it is right but we call it Brazilian jiu-jitsu and I actually you know why I don't I don't like it for the nationalistic purposes because I don't think they belong in martial arts I love the fact that though the IBJJF circuit is fought amongst teams and our nation's I like that because all of a sudden you find yourself rooting for the guidance from Mexico or Bulgaria over the guy that was more in the same country you were it's kind of a break of that like Olympic thing of like Americans versus Russians or so right right I'm not against I mean honestly it doesn't it doesn't really matter what like I said it doesn't the for practical purpose it makes no difference but there seems to be a little element of resentment and why he's calling American jiu-jitsu particularly now he's been very critical of IBJJF and he feeling that I have you Jeff has conspired against him throughout his career to prevent him from winning because he's American right I don't believe that I think that's it's not the case for a lot of other Americans who have won like most amassing we just said he won three world titles you know so you know and his match has been somewhat controversial to like some of them are very close like in that Mike he was never one of those guys I mean if you look at his every World title he's one day but he hasn't he wasn't like putting people away it wasn't like one of those decisive wins they were like won by advantage or barely yeah very close calls which is typical of the division too so I think it's more out of maybe the resentment towards the fact that he feels that Brazilians have been unfair where IBJJF specifically has been unfair throughout his career yeah you know I've been to some of the early matches back when he was still with lloyd irvin it was I believe he was a brown belt he was fighting in the in the world I believe I was the world's brown belt walls were the key and I was coaching him because Lloyd was coaching someone else and I saw some really bad calls like redness goes where he swept the guy to the Mount got the back mount got back into the mount and had no points the whole time which could have been like easily a ten point sequence depending on who was scoring it and then what I remember I was just saying just finish him because you're not getting points and then he got a triangle afterwards and that was just one match I saw so I'm sure he's had a few of those and that might have colored you know and again yeah that's one match you know but I think more employees if you have a thought in your mind already and then you start getting confirmation by us rather you start seeing things happen all that happened because of this and she won't wanna see ya and so you start seeing what you want to see right so you know I'm sure there's some historical president precedent for that but like you said there's Americans have one now I think that kind of you might say it might have been it existed in the past maybe but at this point I think it's probably not there but I do believe you're right in the sense where the spirit of this is coming from is like maybe a spite more of a renegade type thing yeah more maybe a marketing angle like hey you know I'm everybody's doing this I'm the the young American guy I'm doing American Juju's you know right socially Americans are fierce and nationally so the other thing as Brazilians are not like I grew up in Brazil I know this yeah like brazilians or nah I mean there anytime Brazilians are fierce and nationalism when they play soccer against Argentinians particularly then they're like that's serious about it other than that like they're really not you know every now that you see these guys they walk in a cage with a Brazilian flag in a sec so not like it's still not like them to do that I think because it maybe they're you know maybe because Brazil doesn't do well in a lot of sports I mean consider the size of the country when you really look at it it's like soccer volleyball jiu-jitsu and the names like a handful of other sports for Brazilians like competitive at right so I think there's almost like one of those things that India faced like here's my flag you know like but they overall generally I think the vast majority Exxon this the vast majority Brazilians cannot sing the national anthem like they don't know it can grant that is a really long one like this there excuse and said I actually won I actually do I can see from beginning to end but I don't think I don't think they're national I don't think there's anything going on other than the confirmation bias I mean he'd probably bet if you could actually measure it maybe he was they were unfair with them and some some situations but I think that happens everyone I've been screwed playing I grew up in Brazil man like I know what it's like to be an American in Brazil presents don't consider me Brazilian right that's the thing like I'm Brazilian maybe because bidders in here when I'm in Brazil I'm full on America yeah you consider the jefe yeah and some people won't continue American here and then I got screwed play I just never felt they weren't fair with me because of my ashes I just never had never crossed my mind I don't believe that I think they were unfair with me because I like this guy I'm friends with them I train with them he's my buddy you beat me last week so I'm gonna scrub maybe some of them reason like that but not all he were born in a different country I'm gonna screw with you you know and in the case of IBF I don't believe it for other reasons first of all the best trained referees out there by far in my opinion by funded in the grappling submission wrestling jujitsu circuit by far the best trained referees granted the rules are very complicated but they have a financial interested in making jiu-jitsu neutral right right I mean I'd say that the financial factor I don't maybe that's I don't think that is a motivation but if they were I don't believe that IGF is motivated by that solely by like if that were a motivation let's let's argue for for argument's sake that it was a motivation one may be biased towards Americans which is like 80% of their their market yeah the vast majority the money I make is coming from United States if they were to make a decision to me maybe the opposite of anything which clearly there's no conspiracy you cannot get like 20 referees in the room and go by the way when it came in fights make sure you lose this like come on guys who believe that you know but I just don't see it yeah I agree I think more that the the reason he's doing is more just for the marketing angle of it and I maybe it looks a little bit by it yeah you got to use what you got you know so but I think as far as like the legitimacy of it I don't know because I I'm seeing the origins of where his like his martial arts came from and it's essentially all BJJ yeah all right like I could make a case I'm doing American Jew so you could make a case that's a good point you because I feel good to get shield kindness I think Gracie Gracie like I have more because I didn't have anybody like I was learning from grapping magazines and the coach I had he was a judo black belt point Japanese jiu-jitsu black belt but he wasn't really in BJJ he didn't have any ranking in BJJ and I didn't until I was already beating black box and then I got it afterwards you know so I can make a case for that but I don't like I don't care like I had my own brand freestyle fighting that's the style that we do we have our own ranking system although and all that so I get that the idea of wanting to start your own brand you know yeah but it's also not an original name that's what I seem like I the only guy I could think of was Jake Shields was the first couple been flirting with it for awhile he was the only guy that I know prominently that was that was pushing ajj yeah and then it kind of died and then they're trying to make a comeback now and and they're veterans I think that at the end the day it's kind of funny because he's still gonna be practicing or IBJJF he's nice unless you want us create a new Federation you know like good luck without man that's a ha if you're running the gym as hard imagine a federation yeah a whole new operation there but yeah I mean like if it's I I respect people you don't wanted to do things and go in a different around I just don't think it's maybe I would I would agree with the drop in the Brazilian if it weren't for the reason why people want to drop the Brazilian in Brazilian Jujitsu I think the reason why is if it's not a spite and resentment then no that's not a good reason it's like you know what it just makes the word really long most people are educated enough to not confuse it with traditional jiu-jitsu anymore we can end up for that reason for that reason it makes sense to me I'll tell you a story maybe I maybe I've told this story here before so if not I'm forgiving if I'm repeating myself but we were filming closed guard the documentary we were working on we went to Coulson judo schools in Tokyo right this is traditional as it gets there very old-school judokas and for those of you who don't know cosign judo is a variant inside of judo they they're kind of clash was you grow Cano a little bit and didn't they wanted more ground in judo and gigolo Khanna was very like off but he didn't like ground he consider that you know you know humans should walk the ground is for animals there's a quota for a girl and you say yeah they thought the ground was for animals he didn't like he was very against grappling the ground aspect of wrapping right huge mistake huge mistake right but the Coulson guys were very resistant and it survived the universities in Japan they're like seven or eight universities in Japan they continued to practice it and his remarkably similar to Brazil Egypt so now the rules are different but they play spider guardzilla Hiva it's it's Brazilian Jujitsu pretty much just with the rules right and we went to their school and the black boats would show up 30 20 30 minutes before class which is unheard of and in Brazil no drove my class like 20 minutes before class starts like it's there's no one there Yeah right in the black belts and I got a video of this I got a posting one of these days they're all sweeping the mats right it was like like a symphony of like black belt sweeping the mats and their gears were immaculately clean like cleaning skis you look like brand-new geez they were shining they were so clean they were so respectful towards me and my and that the crew we had that I had with me and and then we went to you connect eyes gym and who everyone's very respectful to in that regard was saying the Japanese are very respectful people yeah but there was some major differences from western coast and judo gym and you can akai gym there's a little more a little more relaxed yeah it was former casual they worship that early you know like you him showed up late and they kind of set the corner with the legs spread open like taping their fingers laughing and goofing around with their friends and you know and there was this energy in the room that was very different right and that's when it dawned on me that like what they were practicing was Brazilian jiu-jitsu there was a lot of the Brazilian culture that had made it all the way back to Japan there was that relaxed show up like on a bad show everyone's laughing on the master joking around a lot more it was a very it was not nearly as militaristic as the coast in judo gyms had been which were very like you could see was very militaristic right and I think there's our aspects of Brazilian culture there for better for worse I think they've harm Brazilian as a country as a whole a lot I think it's almost like they're too much it's like let's do it later they're not the most organized the people time is not that's not everyone they're very organized I didn't have to this example most organized drop-in organization I know was IBJJF when they're all grown by Brazilians so there are exceptions but generally speaking there are just a lot of that in Brazil but it's created this this this relaxed culture that I think a lot of people relate to David because you know people get from work you're living on the Turing of the clock you know and everything you do is time then you're under pressure from your boss all these things and you get to the gym it's like relax you know I can and I think that's attractive to a lot of people and these are my opinion you know maybe you disagree maybe some people think I'm like I'm pushing it to four but I think there are a lot of aspects of Brazilian culture that I've made it to the United States and Japan around the world when I go to Turkey or other countries in Europe I see that and it's it's something very this is energy in the room that's not unlike other martial arts I've practiced you know the acai thing and that's that's a Brazilian thing man so I think for that reason the the bee should be Brazil should be regarded as the birthplace of Brazilian jiu-jitsu or Brazilian judo bleep prefer to call it these days but you know it's not it's it's somebody even Kenan when they realized or not he's assimilated all of that I guarantee you his American judo gym is not going to be like militaristic it's gonna be there's gonna be aspects of Brazilian culture that I can almost guarantee you yeah that's interesting let me ask you with the coast in judo guys do they compete in judo and stuff are they like a closed loop or that I just practicing for the art or I think they probably compete in the animal for sure but I know they have their internal circuit between universities okay it's a university style okay and they compete the most you know these universities and I'm not sure what the rules are but they're different like I've looked into it I can't I don't even want to mention I get it wrong sure you can look up look it up online and find out but they do compete they do compete yeah okay I was just wondering because I haven't myself seen a super strict regimen like that often right like even in wrestling circles when you're training you are it's very strict coaches on you pushing you all the time but outside of training you're a lot more relaxed it's joking around yeah a lot more casual so I was wondering if it's just a matter of it being a competitor thing where competitors take the training very seriously but then once they're done training they would just want to kick back okay I want to chill down versus somebody who's just doing the art form they're doing the discipline itself is the relaxation in this house that's the meditation you know so everything before that is also like serious in a way yeah it might be I might be reading too much into it but I mean that I mean I I said shows an extreme example yeah which is like Japanese Judah which is like they're they're known for their discipline you know even in like Western countries the judokas tend to be the most disciplined out of everyone like they're extremely respect I remember when I start training like you had to turn your back to everyone else to tie your G I was a big no-no to tie your belt what people could see you hmm they're not supposed to see your fair chest you turn around face the wall and that's how you tie your D like you cannot walk past people you have to walk behind them and the coach you know actually was it was a traditional Jiu Jitsu style like the one school in Brazil did existed of traditional Jiu Jitsu I found that's cool but they had a lot of the guy was originally a judoka and you know they had a lot of that like we had to get walked in front of you pass people you have to walk always behind them it's a respectful thing to do right little things like that they're very serious about it it's funny because you quickly fall in line because everyone else is doing it yeah sure you're on the match like this all the time it's almost like you're tense it's hard to relax and I love it from a business perspective from a coach's perspective but as a student it's kind of like I was like you're holding your breath all the time because like hey you don't want to do its you get used to it of course but I like I'll that's one reason I love gyms Bridgette so in general like I go it's like it's a very it's I don't know even when I don't train I want to be at the gym because it's such a fun environment like I enjoy the company of other practitioners yeah I think that's an interesting point that you bring because most people who are training now are they so they they're doing it casually right like your competitors and fighters are less than 3% of your business all right well almost everybody else is casual and they're they have enough stress coming in from work and from life and well else is going on and if they have to go into your gym in a very strict regimen and be worried about making a mistake or it's kind of like being back at work again yeah there are some people right and that kind of puts them off and I think a lot of people with traditional martial arts as an adult that puts you off too because you're like you know I'm a grown-ass man and I have to follow all these different little rules and stuff like I have enough of that already whereas I think a lot of people like mixed martial arts and Brazilian jiu-jitsu because it's a lot more casual you know so and I Dalton go in there and doesn't feel like they're being put in line like a child you know like they can relax a little bit have fun get a good workout and so I think it's a much easier to sell as a business and it's probably just easier as a person to deal with it right yeah you saying you don't have to worry about like how is my perfectly clean there's no creases or you know I got my gear you know yeah so I could see that as being an appeal for anybody didn't want to go in and just be in a more relaxed atmosphere where I still learning something very practical and getting a good workout yeah because you don't see a lot of gyms Eric I don't know any really that are that crazy strict like you were described yeah Oh some judo where everybody is and yeah it might it may not be I think I mean Americans might be somewhere in between if you have to really put your finger on it like for example I remember like I had my I was in Brazil I was broke as I had like 20 students there paid me like the equivalent like $20 a month you know like I had enough to Train yeah how was it I had enough money to train that was it right so one idea I had is I went on one of these BJJ forums I did this like this would be like 2001 - maybe I remember the popular one was at the time it might have been underground something whatever yeah and I went on there like trained in Brazil in live with an American or something like that right I was a pro at the time I gave my name is Robert Drysdale you know live in Brazil um I was born in the US speak fluent English on a school down here if you would like to train in Brazil you paid I think I was charged I'm like five hundred dollars a week or something like that and our house you'll feed you you pick you up at the airport drop you off train you everything for five hundred bucks that we right which is from an American perspective very deal it's a great deal yeah right when you're in Brazil it's also a great deal especially when you're making like five hundred dollars a month like not even yeah you know so I I was making my money and I'd have all these guys come over right and all my students represent some of these first like American and Swedes and Canadians came over basically you know like class was at 7:00 but never really started it depending on how well the conversation was going outside and there was this one time the conversation was really good it was like 7:30 15 20 30 whatever it was and I didn't have like no one had their keys on and all the foreigners all the mats like what the hell was going on it was a class cancel they were really confused right and we're just like why are these guys in a hurry to train like we're 30 minutes late I'm the gym warden I don't care I'm outside just like having fun and we're laughing and it's kind of like once it stops being funny whatever time that happens that's when that's when training begins right that's kind of like the Bruce Lee of mindset and like I could see the foreigners kind of like like they were really confusing one of them finally came over me like Robbie's train canceled tonight and I looked at the clock I realized like 7:30 whatever it was let me call ya sorry sir okay guys we gotta go and I was like okay we gotta go but it was you know you don't I these days I don't do that well yeah now a very American like that like 7 o'clock 7 o'clock right all right Bruce doings are almost like it's almost like too much it's fun Brazilians know how to party man they know how to have fun like life there's a party but it's one reason why like I can't I can't I can't be there man like it's just too much it's all the time it doesn't stop it's like they live like that 24 24 7 a positive side there's not a lot of like depression there and anxiety and so probably lower than most countries I would guess probably lower but it's very hard to get things done but it like yeah it's very difficult well yes I that brings around like there's a point where I feel like there has to be some structure you know I think you would agree with that it can't be completely disorganized you're too relaxed because then nothing happens is chaos versus being highly structured so like I guess the next thing guys I was gonna say that Kenan was bringing about that ruffled some people the wrong way was he was gonna I guess a lot of schools a particularly crazy about how schools they're very strict on the uniform requirements you have to buy the ER - yeah you have to buy the uniform from them it has to have the patch of this you can't bring in other keys or whatnot so then akina's going the other way saying that I'll buy your keys from other schools or whatnot and give you one or we'll donate these to charity you don't care yeah right so he's saying this come in with whatever I might be wrong if I'm wrong sorry yeah that's what I thought something yeah yeah it wasn't a strict key policy and there was something about buyback and I think they were going to give it to charity or yeah right so uh yeah a lot of people like the idea of that because it has a consumer more freedom great yeah right like I can do whatever I want as a business owner I see that not so great right one you're losing revenue by not getting your keys out there too when people are wearing other people's uniform they're marketing for them yeah right not good for me all right like for anyone your marketing someone doesn't anything for anyone yeah exactly exactly if I'm not doing anything for you right because they're training at this gym you know so nothing makes sense there are two and then three there's like a lack of uniformity where everybody's wearing different stuff you're wearing a white guy I'm wearing a blue key you have like a you know ZENIT's used to patch I have whatever Cesar Gracie thing like it from the outside perspective someone comes in it's like what's going on it looks like yeah it looks like chaos you know versus when everybody's wearing the same uniform you know or at least as a structure you know like white belts where there's and it makes sense and I've been on both sides of this right like when my brother and I started our gym freestyle funny cat me back in 2001 we weren't ranked at all where I was 19 my brother was 20 we ran like a Fight Club there was no uniform you just come in whatever the hell you want you know and and people has out what rank you're like I don't have a rank and they're like oh my cousin's a brown belt I guess you beat you that's why we sparred that there's he's part day one and we try kick him and all that right but uh you know so when there was no rank there was no you know yeah yeah it's it's chaos and people from the outside they're looking they're like who's the coach because everybody's yeah there's a uniform you know so there is to me a value in the having that hierarchy in that organization and part of having a hierarchy is uniform yeah right like people are like hearing the word the C word which is cult yeah but jiu-jitsu is a cult whether you like it or not it has a negative connotation to it call it tribe sing down I mean football fans or - yeah it's all yeah it's it's it's it's a social it's a piece of social glue that's all it is it bounced people cuz we have a common common rituals common beliefs common goals yeah so therefore we have common ideas we band together you're right and there there are certain devices that are used by groups tribes whatever you want to call the religion religion right politics and if you and you study them there are certain things that all make them work yeah and one of them is of course sure our key there has to be a ranking structure yeah to know who is responsible for what and who has you know certain power or what not and in jiu-jitsu and the martial arts we use belts right like you say if you're in the religion you have the pastor you have the priest and you know Archbishop but there's different ranks right and that's one of the things of being part of the membership the other thing is uniform right yeah same thing if you look at religion they have different attire depending on what station they're at and just who is your belt you know if you go like Freemasons and all that they have different badges or different things they were so like it's part of the identity of the group yeah right and when there isn't established identity then you don't really prove these parts like it becomes herding cats yeah and I think what's gonna happen is because I was exactly like like this when I first started I opened my gym I was again if you hadn't mentioned uniforms curriculums hierarchy like any of these things I'm like get out of here man it's more like an honor kisses wake everyone to the mass training it doesn't matter it doesn't matter and I had to learn the hardest way possible it doesn't matter because people like struck people like systems people like hierarchies they like and I will tell you man like when people walk in new students what can they see everyone in uniform it's a wrap they're sold because it shows them exactly what they're looking for so you know people might be in the impression that people like walking in the gym and I want to have whatever I want people it's it doesn't work like I've tried it it doesn't and not only that everyone prefers a uniform like look for this for this school you're making more money yeah and you're given people the structure they want people are more likely to sign up right so from a business perspective it's not easy yes I know I thought well I'm gonna lose half my students once I applied the uniform policy right for sure half my affiliates and half my students gonna walk the window I didn't we didn't lose a single one and some people that complain you know a man you know I let them wear their key until it once you're old geek dies and it's torn to shreds then you know you buy a uniform is that okay okay you know and then that's the way I've been opera working and the truth is people like the uniform because it comes with a patch too you don't have to buy in a patch and so we're on a patches of pain in the butt so that works well and it's been very positive overall like people actually I find that people prefer that and it's just like what's the another thing there's one more thing I have to mention because a lot of students don't realize if you're just a practitioner you don't realize this your coach does a lot for you that it goes well beyond the contract you signed now every every gym has a contract if your maybe your gym doesn't have a contra but there's some kind of agreement there's like an established expectation of what I do for you they're coaching what you do provide the gym as a member like you pay me I give you this this and that and if you really that closely what the gym promises you is basically class from six to seven or whatever I'm telling you like if I were to factor in the hours of work I put into my students where I wasn't on the clock I mean I mean I'd be rich now like I mean the amount of work I have done for my students and I never charge them for that when I talking like coaching we're talking them trained on the side we're talking sometimes I Drive to California fly just for them I'm not getting paid by what the coaches do this stuff all the time for free so when a student is adamant about not supporting the gym because he really wants to support Jeff Bezos and Amazon gotta give that guy more money not you coach right that's the kind of student I don't even want honest if you're not a team player like if you're like that if you're really that serious about giving Amazon more money then your coach was killing himself for you and coaches don't make that much money people think the juice' gyms are super profitable they're not like the reality on the ground is a lot harsher it's not it's not a mouse gyms have a hard time making link but okay but okay how many successful gyms are there yeah sure that's what I'm saying yeah most gyms have mortality is like it's super are so when you're coach which I have like 1500 students he's struggling man and yeah you really want to give Amazon that money and not your coach it's kind of like almost like you know what man maybe you shouldn't be part of the team that you're not a team player sure that's serious about supporting someone else then enough who does nothing for you that's the thing that's Mike my biggest thing is like this person or the wrist brand you really want to represent it's not sponsoring don't do anything for you yeah you know like I go out of my way for you guys like what is it about what's the resistance you know so I don't apologize for it like I started that way exactly what Catholic inna thinks is it that would that would have been me 210 years ago yeah I changed my mind completely because it doesn't work yeah it's it's not a sustainable and even like I think as far as even structuring it so that they have like fixed schedules and all that I know a lot of gyms they like saying just come whenever you want yeah and to me that's not a good thing for a variety of reasons one you don't know how big your class is gonna become if people start moving on one day one of the other then you have too many people in a class and you can't devote enough attention to them that's a problem the second thing is it's harder to create habits yeah because I mean the biggest thing that we're combating is you know being in the fitness space which more short says is establishing habits right good they're sensing people instead of coming to your classroom you know 6:30 the eighth or whatever they're watching TV or they're doing something else and it's probably not as good for them as training martial arts would be and we have to replace that block of time where they're doing something that's not constructive with this and it's more difficult this is easy to say in the couch not you know go drive to the gym get your butt kicked and then come back out and to train them just to set that time on that one day or like two days like Wednesday and Monday you know it takes like weeks you know generally the thing to say about six weeks to internalize a habit and then you say well you just come whenever you want now they don't have to come to those days so when I miss Wednesday I might come to Thursday and then well good point I thought about I don't know I'll just come Friday because you had this free will where they said I can come whenever I want but it doesn't hold you accountable tyranny of choice yeah absolutely you have to make this decision to end right and then and that's a coach you don't know who you're accountable for no yeah right because you're like well I don't have a roster because people come whenever they want so I if I don't see this guy coming on Wednesday I guess he's gonna come in some other day you know but if I know like for our gyms like it's a we have the schedule so I know okay these are the guys this is my guy he didn't show up today you know I can follow up with them tax call whatever so I'm from the business end I have accountability and then from the student then there's also accountability because he knows he's supposed to be there that day all right and it's easier for him to make that habit to show up so I do really like the structure is important the uniform is important you know and you come in and people like it man yeah and I think you're right like when you when you set it up right in the beginning everybody especially if you're making a change yes people are you change it doesn't matter what it is I can say guys everybody it weird you to give you brand new geese you're the complaint yeah complaint is like it's it's entertaining for some people everybody's gonna be scared or whatever you know so even if it's good for them to change you know and I for the most part as the coach I feel that we have the most experience in the matter so we're we're able to make the best decision in that regard you know and then people say oh I don't like that coach well then even fine yeah you got the choice to to find someone who's who caters to your style but I think if you get to start with a new foundation that's the best time to lay out all the great you know rules so everybody coming in is already in court and you don't have to make those changes Midway yeah which are always a little rocky ER you know so like like a young guy Keenan I won his gym to be very successful I want him to do great you know I feel like well there's a good marketing approach to this and he's gonna get a lot of Pat's on the back from people yeah they're not training with us shooting himself in the foot right because you're catering to it like at least maybe I'm wrong you know hopefully I am and it works out great for him but a lot of people will tell you stuff online like oh that's awesome both again most of those people already trained somewhere yeah and they're probably not in San Diego where you open your gym so bar anybody's saying kudos great job like those are not the people that you general how many people are gonna leave their current gym for that though that's a nothing Haven it's um the ones that aren't sending how many ever gonna leave their current gym I mean some of them are on the verge of leaving they're gonna leave for different reasons regardless of uniforms right but it's it sounds like yeah I'm gonna be the leader of the rebels let's start a revolution kind of thing but nothing long-term it's just yeah because it I think the tendency and this is where the supports have been going for four years all sports thinking towards uniformization they long towards systems rules and it's just a natural tendency of sports and martial arts the same way did you - Lloyd's been a little behind but it's catching up and one thing that's been consistent throughout more shorts the BJJ at least is that Gracie ba has been leading the trends and you can take this back Bracey by invented the affiliation system he doesn't exist in a lot of birth mom maybe other more shorts have it I don't know I I wouldn't know my suspicions it's not very common but they was car news racing van and was like he realized that he li was very controlling he was like he'd if you if we had a hélio Gracie's way there would be no one teaches jujitsu other than him all right he was like no no no you got to teach him to Anna Carlson open his gym that was a problem holds Gracie open in gym that was a problem every person opened a gym it is outside of his became his competitor in some way he's a very control individual right and even though he played a very important role in development of Jitsu and resisting judo he at the same time like was not the right like it's like every phase neither the right person the right person was there like Courtney was Gracie was that guy so I heard this story from Carney was Gracie himself when we interviewed him for the documentary and when Sokka which was one of the first ADCC champions wanted to open the gyms like master carny was like I I don't know how to do anything else I really want to open a gym I got to pay my bills I got a few my family but I don't want to ever stop being your student I've been thankful for everything you taught me I what do we do in cárdenas girls just go over there call the Gracie baha and he continued to be my student okay perfect and that's how they started this wasn't like the 1980s maybe maybe really nice I'm not sure when it started but my point is they've always been ahead of the curve yeah right so now we're following suit Alliance is following suit it's just a matter of time before like I think check Madinah they're making those moves too it's just a natural tendency in the sport and students prefer it that's the that's the thing even if they resisted initially now that we've we've passed that curve at the gym students prefer they don't have to worry about patches well yeah they hate that like the patches the biggest is a hassle than one wants that man yeah so it's just that you get and then at the end of the day you're not spending more money you're spinning out of money you would be buy you should be buying so yeah it doesn't make that much sense of and wanting to have the freedom of choice right that's about it baby all I want to choose my own staffing like why and it's only the oldster budget suit one thing that's constant to and in a gym is that this constantly recycling people as the new ones come in with the new systems they don't it's normal they don't complain they like it like a parents love it parents walk in man like that you can see they just like oh and none of that like in other sports too if you're in hockey or anything you do you're gonna get your kids start in soccer you know it's been someone in uniforms of course that's standard rap his parents are expecting it I remember the first ten years I had my gym we didn't have this parents would like with a checkbook and an like well how much in uniforms and I'm like we don't have uniforms like oh okay put the checkbook away like it's ready to write me a check yeah you know it's it's counter it's just counterproductive it just doesn't it doesn't make sense in the long term yeah and I think getting back to that point when you're pandering to like an online audience that's not really gonna be your market yeah the seeds you and what are the right decisions to make Yeah right like everybody thinks oh I remember when I started training and that we had our own school like how do we get the word out oh I have to win a lot of tournaments that's how people are going to start respecting me like you know the only people following jiu-jitsu our guys are already doing jiu-jitsu yeah those are not the people that you won in your school because they're already doing jiu-jitsu somewhere else yeah the amount of people that you're gonna be able to poach from other gyms is very slim and here we gotta fight its are you gonna fight for that in its yeah thing is if they're able to move from one gym to the other there's nothing stopping them from moving from your gym to the next one yeah I mean so it's it's not like it's a taking someone's lover away from them you know those people are not tuned in yet so they probably don't have a uniform yet or anything that's so why are they gonna care where they get it from yeah I don't know that's just my opinion for like even like I said I think you know and the school one or two is advantageous because you get rid of the competition like when the school this every school like this is like perfectly I'm gonna tell you why would you want to compete with other people like your gym should be a store - yeah you know and people really idealistic when they start because they call it's all about jujitsu and as soon as the bills start coming and realize I mean this doesn't make sense unless I'm making money and it's it you can't train you can't teach people unless you're making something yourself otherwise you're just gonna do something else right yeah so no so I think yeah for sure don't you know hippie with the uniform policy and all that you know make your own uniform you have a cool brand already gonna do that Legion and all that might as well design your keys and yeah buy those you know it's not a big deal it's a small expense in time if he changes his mind years from now people gonna use because it's too late now yeah it's like especially now where everything's archived every dismal don't let it go there's someone who remembers yeah I think I was listening to a pocket I think was Edward Snowden he was on Joe Rogan and the interview and he would say anybody born after 1987 every phone call they've made has already been logged all right so like wow if you're born after that date essentially there's nothing secret about someone knows everything every 30 things every everything you've ever said yeah especially I think someone then they just have the record of the call not necessary the content but like nowadays they have the content yeah text messages you have the emails there's nothing sacred so yeah everybody can pull out whatever you've done so it's hard to make mistakes in this day and age because you're gonna be held a lot more accountable oh I think it's not just owning up to the fact that everybody's doing these types of silly things they're just now more known like you could you could have kept your secrets much better back in the 50s yes right yeah where wasn't cameras all over the place watching you there wasn't digital records the CIA in the 1950s during the Cold War would have killed to have that kind of information that people volunteer on Facebook daily yeah yeah it's like there was their job to like you know basically or Deanna's the NSA like to basically monitor own citizens for suspect suspicious activities yeah and here we are volunteering this information online not just for the government for everyone to see right in fact I want to make sure that you know at what restaurant I was and what I was eating at 2:00 p.m. today yeah and people like that like every second of every move and be sure like there's a log of everything you put on the Internet every Google search yeah sure that's why I think I must have been finally buna told somebody this like 30 40 years ago hey people are gonna volunteer all this information for free like no way you ever read 1984 yes yeah you know the way if you ever watched that movie for Vendetta it is based off a comic and the comic is based off of it's inspired by the 1984 novel because it's a very similar theme yeah I think it's definitely a book anybody Shireen everyone hey you hear the reference all the time and people have the idea it's about big brother yeah that's the easy way of describing it but when you actually read it how it was done and then that's when people tell you like they didn't realize 1984 was a warning not a a manual of how to do it but it looks like a lot of people really or will wrote that book he a lot of people think all he was it was a criticism of Stalinism and Leninism and that's what they assumed that he was writing about clearly he's writing about direction the Soviet Union it's taking yeah but if you knew or wall or what was actually a communist yeah he wasn't writing about the Soviet Union he was writing about what aura was like a democratic leaning communist right different branch but like he was he was which complicated sounds complicated these days but those think that's why he would define himself right right meaning on anarchism but when he was writing about the world he was right about governments he was writing a power structure in general he wasn't writing about the Soviet Union specifically as a lot of people assumed he was like this is I mean we're not gonna be or not to you I mean you let it happen it's gonna happen your own free country again and you know lo and behold here we are in the freest most immigrant or one of the oldest democracies in the world and the government has access to every single little piece of information about you the Facebook knows more about you than you know you know about yourself which is mind-boggling we really think about it but we're live in 1984 and you know it's not the Soviet Union yeah no it is a very interesting yet scary proposition where you have these big companies that owned all this data yeah and they're buying it's super valuable yeah no no it's there's a documentary about this I just watch it together they can remember some Netflix it's about exactly this like how is home these corporations are massive this metadata and they're they're selling it to political parties yeah and they were like basically you know giving them the credit for winning the election for Trump because they knew so much about the audio that their ads were so targeted that they were just hitting the nail on the head over and over and over his like Hillary was just like missing the target all the time because they didn't have that same kind of data but it's something the extent of like Facebook having something like 5,000 personality traits on every single one of their users on average right if you have to write down 5,000 things about yourself Dave I guarantee you it would take a five thousand like I don't think you'd like it 300 I'm like I'm out of things to talk about I don't know what else I've no idea Facebook that's like an average something like 5,000 commerciality traits or like things about you that we very valuable to you know a political party or know for sure because once you you understand your behavior your company right then they could predict what things you would like what things you do with what's gonna work on you what's not gonna work on with a very good level of accuracy maybe not per person but over our sample size of like 10 million people yeah you can get good numbers out there you know it'd be interesting if we ever get that type of data about jiu-jitsu okay 5,000 data points on my opponent and your opponent like okay and then extrapolate put it into a computer give me the game plan that's gonna crush this guy so I think BJJ heroes is the only website I think they've done a statistics a few times and I it's to me it's crazy we haven't really dug into this more I've never seen that movie Moneyball no everyone should watch if you train you should watch Moneyball it's basically story it's true story of a baseball coach and he revolutionized baseball because baseball was very much like where BJJ is right now where the trends are leading the how people hire how they train right so if there's a trend or like we're gonna hire based off of the tradition like this is how we've always done things right no one was looking at the numbers and this guy this character played by this coaches play by Brad Pitt and he goes like what you think is irrelevant it's what the numbers say that matters so he start hiring players based off their statistics the only thing he would so he start building a team based off statistics and he was saving a lot of money while he was doing it too it was like there's no way this is gonna work right because he was breaking with tradition and he basically revolutionized baseball and I from then onwards everyone start basically looking at the math and what the math was it was like you hired people you do things you prepare people based off what the numbers have to say right and Timmy's always a reminder of how people should train their train themselves and train their their students in jiu-jitsu is not based off of trends but based off of statistics numbers like you know I'm gonna have to say it's again like it needs to see what was the main factor wrestling all right to me like my right the number of the the training in wrestling my gyms be going up over the years and I'm now more convinced than ever that's for those people who want to win a TCC it's like half the equation at least half the equation but the problems people don't like to train wrestling does rathas Bruhl is very very hard yeah which is ironic is the second you put them in competition what do they do they wrestle it's I don't want to train it but when they compete that's what they do but that's how we should be preparing our students is based off of what the numbers are saying and there's not a lot out there you know we wished yeah in MMA there's a lot more stats for sure like now you can see like you see on their website they'll and then when they do that play-by-play so but now they're showing you know how many failed takedowns or succeeded takedowns strikes or cakes so they're getting those type of numbers more but right now that's only from I understand at least in the UFC that they have all those stats which is great but it's kind of doesn't mean anything because there's only UFC athletes yeah if you had that type of diabetes for all athletes and mixed martial arts competing then you could make good like rehiring decisions like okay this guy has this type of finishing ray he there's a striking raid this type of takedown defense right he's gonna be a good athlete we'll bring him into a UFC or some other some other league similar to like when you're saying with baseball because that makes sense baseball stats are really prominent yeah I think it's a lot easier to calculate those stats too because the way the game is played you know like I think a sport like MMA or jiu-jitsu is a lot harder it's very subjective right a lot of like they're less like you know black or white but for example like one one that I always remember something I suspect it was it yeah I was right about a lot of things I was wrong about a few of them yeah but one of them was the most common path to submission was passing your opponent Turtles and get to the back in the choke yeah for sure which is like let's make sense to me that's about right the most common submissions were all the back which you know confirms the other one and then most common takedowns I think we're double single drops here Nagi and got talked a little more I think there was a most formal top so that takedowns which sound about right you know sure the Guru was like I don't see him very often my thing was like that was what would have been four down the list from memory I could be wrong here but I'm just quoting it from memory was a few years ago and then you know it's funny because I remember this well I was at having like mutiny at the gym because I wasn't showing enough burn bolo so I'm like well first of all like 3/4 of my students can't do it yeah I'm not gonna focus on something oh sure I'm not following me out of it like oh sure you know the best of my ability what I think what fundamentals are but I'm not gonna change my program because you know you and like three other people really really want to do this but that was like when it was first exploded like maybe six seven years ago whatever it was and everyone just wanted to work on that there's one statistic that like it was showing the most common sweeps and the most common sweeping in IBJJF tournaments the black belt level was number one was 50/50 which every surprises everyone but a big play as soon as you understand the seesaw like it's the back is the last it messes up the ratio doesn't really belong there but it makes sense because of that right but anyway you got at rank is the most common sweep you got a trade but number two and three Henry it was closed guard at half guard or half guard in close guard which really said like I mean I was expecting them to be high up but it was even less that the Baron Bolger was prominent they even thought they were something like four or five percent of the sweeps yeah so it wasn't even close to out of the whole story it was like a very small piece of the story so why are we gonna put this laser-like focus all the things they're like not the high percentage ones versus like focusing on the high percentage moves you know and but that's like when you tell this to BJJ people it's almost like days they're like they understand it rationally but they're so emotionally attached we were talking about this with kit the other day about emotional attachments yeah like that's a great way to put it because it's exactly what is you're emotionally attached to a vision of what you're gonna be doing you compete and even if your beliefs or your wishful thinking contradicts that the numbers are you still like button no this is what I got to be doing like but look at the numbers yes and I've explained this in class and they still get people like looking up like but if that's the best move it will be the most common thing on the Internet and then like it's not how things that's exactly the way you know but it's very difficult to have that rational logical approach to things were so emotionally invested in it it's a great point and it's something I always tell people like if you want to get all these numbers right for yourself like the stats like what's my best take down historically what's my best submission you know and all that my past sweep requires you to take notes yeah right more precisely it requires you to measure yourself yeah so I think there's a there's a comment saying says what is it measured is it improved right yeah cuz you won't know very good one oh yeah cuz it's like running without timing yourself yeah you don't know if you got faster slower you can guess but you want to know right so it's the same thing with your jujitsu you have to take notes after every train session if you're a diligent student to the point measure yourself okay how did i do today what would my winning positions what were my losing positions how do they lose how do they win you know and if I used to do this for wrestling I would I have journals I had to bring them by one day I had like three or four journals I would just write notes non-stop and it's how I develop my game plan that's good and smart all right because that was okay where it my strong suicide for me wrestling underhook was always a strong position for me Farney block head inside single area those were my takedowns and so I always focused on those but like likewise recording matches I think nowadays is very common because it's easy yeah back in the day it wasn't paying the but it was paying the but you don't have to get some of the record it was my tape yeah yes my date my brother I think my run I one of the first people doing that because we would recorded every match we were doing it from high school wrestling we recorded mantis and then we'll watch them afterwards and then we're there okay this is where we messed up well you have a database to know yeah I don't know that's again kind of out of necessity as well because we didn't have coaches ibera and i were coaches so how do we learn to them we don't know what we're doing we watch alright like I learn how to play half guard after I grappled Bordeaux I lost to him he swept me to the last minute half guards we've been beat me and this was back like in 2001 and I was like okay what did he do and then I watched the match like a hundred times yeah I studied the different half guard sweet he was like two of them on me and then I just did those in training all the time then I learned how to play a half guard you know but I needed to film because I didn't have another way but it's now you can buy any DVD and stuff like that but it's still better to see yourself training like even just in regular training film yourself sparring you'll be surprised that the stuff you're doing or that you don't realize I'm doing it takes a kind of discipline that I don't have a very were always bad about this but there was a minute than what I was was recording my sparring sessions and even though I'm no like great striker I've never been I find that my d advice I was giving myself after watching tape was better than the advice my coaches were giving me and I don't mean this in an arrogant she was like I'm seeing stuff I'm more critical of myself yeah and yeah you know if you have like 20 people you got a coach you probably can only give so you know so much time to each student if in most regions the gyms worth exactly like this right most gyms are gonna like you're gonna have like 20 30 people one coach it's hard to you know you're not but when you're watching yourself all about you right and I was like notice all these bad habits I had I'm like wow like can't believe no one ever told me about this you know so that's a very good idea if you can record yourself or just keep travelogue of like what would you train session was I've always wanted to do this and I recommend it I've never done it because like I said on very discipline in this regard um like there are days where I'd be in the gym maybe you're gonna relate to this I just felt like a million dollars physically like I don't know what it was I just like I'm performing like my body's responding in my mind sharp like I don't I do get tired but like not like all the Thar Jake tired like I can keep going kind of tired you know and there were days or just like feel like crap and I always wondered if it had to do with like sleeping patterns eating patterns you know like going to the bathroom like all these other things that in your life that may be emotional issues like who knows like all these other factors that may be impacting a performance but we're not aware of so I always tell myself man I gotta start keeping a log I have a really good session I have to go back like as far back as I can remember everything I ate what time I went to bed and just like trying to keep the log of that so I can replicate those good days for tournaments yes you know but I just never did it you know that's the beauty of technology today because I was doing this on paper it's a pain in the ass required a lot of discipline because I would write down everything I eat when I you fell asleep when I woke up how I thought when I woke up and all the food when I ate it how much water training session so yeah so but it took a lot of effort right and you know it was only doing competition windows I would be able to I'd be willing to do put that type of effort I mean because outside just normal living huh no it's too much work but now like even last one I showed if my fitness pal and all that I do that every day I've been doing it for over a year now easy I write down what I eat no problem and it records it this thing if it bit tracks when I wake up when I sleep my heart rate everything so it's a lot less everything's pretty much known about me almost automatically at this high right so it's easier to get those data points like okay I had a good training session today and I felt great I can see it well I slept a full seven and a half hours I ate this at this time I had this amount of time before you have to include and put what you eat what do you think that's the only thing I'll be putting it this is tracking and it's like your phone right and it's connected to my phone so what's it called again this is the Fitbit charge fit rate sponsor us we're like you know we need a sponsor these type of things you can track those things for you so for athletes nowadays is cheap but what if or if you're a professional athlete or just someone inspired me this is a hundred bucks right and you already have a phone and then the app is free so they yeah I watch doesn't do that the Apple watch yeah I have what I just never use it I use it for the time and like I got my phone for that so I should probably you know make use of that let's break I am becoming more I watched a documentary other day because it was like everyone's in system called game-changer and you watch it no no I basically pushing veganism and I like some things about like to talk about like plant-based diet but they don't really explain what plant-based is category you know it was it was like hosted by the guy fun you see John John Wilson now but the UFC guy and it was an inspiration because like I should probably more greens I come like more of a meat kind of guy do you so meat yeah yeah but like they made some good points I think that they push you to the extreme I don't think that stop eating meat is healthy I really don't believe that I think veganism is healthy personally yeah but I think we wait to watch me I think if I can come back back might meet by at least by eat half of what I'm eating right now I thought that for they'll probably feel better but um it was some some good points there about like performance and nutrition and like yes I was like it kind of made me think a little bit even though some things to me like didn't really add up there the data seeing a little faulty on some ends but yeah I think that I am an age where I'm just turned 38 now I got to start watching out because I never really care what here twenties or just don't care your body just respect Wolverine man like and I'm like you know what I should probably start being worried about my heart and you know what I'm eating and I put on a lot of weight I'm trying to you know I'm not fat you know but like I could see myself getting there you know moving in that direction if I'm not careful it's likely less you know what your metabolism slows down so you start putting on weight a lot faster and I just want to be that guy man I like the wanna I wanna be a fat daddy you know right right yeah it's a good example for your kids thank you for your students yeah exactly I think is part of the integrity I mean they're good I'm not picking on people are overweight but it's it's it is it is an aspect of what we do is being a role model in that regard it's not the only one or the most important for that matter yeah I think it is you know your your health in the other days everything without your health you have nothing you don't have a good physical body you can't move you can't do things and then it affects your mind and then I totally like your physiology affects everything with your mind you know if you feel like crap physically you will feel like crap mental yeah it translates right and it goes both ways like if you have a poor posture like you walk around with your head slouch to shoulders slumped is it an effect the way you think Yeah right and you know it's like a downward spiral because I search on it yeah they start feeding each other like what if I if I have a good posture and I'm chest out looking forward isn't in effect the way I think and then so you can go either way you know are your thoughts are bad and your posture is bad fix your posture and then that's tend to follow the research I saw there's a really good book everyone should read it's called think fast think Slow by Daniel Caine wings a very accomplished psychologist and he makes a point I think that book everyone should read think fast think slow but I'm not sure I got this piece of research from that book it might have its tomorrows but it's basically there if you're sad if you're not feeling good if you force yourself to smile or sing or show your teeth it actually affects your well-being conversely if you're really happy but if you frown it actually affects because our body language right or for facial expressions in this case is directly linked to our emotions yeah so you're the point you're making like if you walk around like this you probably are feeling insecure so if you are insecure open up your shoulders and put your head up yeah you know it's funny because I was that kid when I before I start training like it just I wasn't I didn't know I was insecure maybe I probably was a lot more than I realized but it was my natural posture was this this is how I sat down I think I do what hold so weak you know it's a pretty skinny kid I had no muscles to hold my back up it was only after jiu-jitsu that my posture opened up and I think the muscle development has something to do with that but I think a lot of attitude with my confidence you know like looking back and I I was I see I was insecure probably even more that I realized at the time you know but I think these things they they interact with one another for sure they they link just like people can read your by language you understand how you're feeling your body does the same thing and you know exactly you smile and you have association whenever you smile that means you're happy yeah right so if you force a smile there's something in there it's saying well this is it this is a precursor to being happy you know what does that what does it for me he's like Bob Marley always works for me especially like saying in the eye if I if I'm like having a bad day I'll blast out in my car and I'll force myself to sing the song from beginning to end and I can't explain but it actually helps no of course I would like it's just like.how forcement no matter how shitty I am I'll blast the volume in my car and I'm singing Bob Marley on the way to the gym at my time I stopped there I'm like I feel a little bit better and the song is in your head yeah it's like singing don't worry about a thing every little thing is gonna be alright the lyrics and the song is out two percent yeah oh and it just puts you in the right mood you know because the day you control what's going in your mind right we talked about this a little bit of kit people think emotions and even with my key you control your emotions it's just you have to take charge of them if you don't a lot of people let their emotions run them yeah right like they feel sad ok now that means I'm sad like no you can change that if you want but you have to make the conscious effort into it that's why people who are depressed generally have a hard time getting out of it right because they're very depressed with the depressed viral yeah what did the depressed people do they isolate themselves they hide in the corner somewhere and they are usually crying or lying down in bed weak body posture so everything about their environment only in the fuel more depression right so like you wouldn't get someone depressed you're gonna again come out of where they're at right like I know there's a point I was like that and then I was doing the same thing I would hermit myself I just go to room I was playing like online poker and other stupid stuff that was not helping me at all you know yeah I think it yanked out of there yeah and then once you're outside of your depression bubble then things start looking a little cherry you know yeah might when you keep yourself in that environment it's only gonna make you worse alright so you know if you're not that deep in you can obviously take care of yourself it's a good thing for another podcast we should extend on that one yeah we should based on that one but like you're real right like I think there's all these things a lot of they yeah they interact with one another more than what we realize yeah I think they're wrapped in this up on the last thing we touched on before you went on down that rabbit hole was just I think I think I'm important me is the tracking and the measuring right if you guys do that I marry with kid day what we're doing that where I was filming all the sparring sessions that we did and then when we would come home we're watching and what I okay look you see this is where you went wrong here or this is something that you did good that you should do more of you know yeah just for a TCC preparation but everybody could do that you know there's nothing stopping you from filming yourself trained and just watching yourself because you're gonna realize and sometimes like you said it's better when you see it yourself because your coach can tell you put your hands up put your hands up and like you don't pay attention to it but then you watch yourself in video you're like oh god my pants are down here the whole time yeah like you know really from the third party you're like whatever but like when you see yourself oh yeah I remember I was watching one of my fights and I saw that every time I jab my hand was I was saying a little bit but Lacey jangly I cringed looking at it like this is such bad technique this reality check yeah that's never had sex it's Sunday you have to do yourself so I definitely encourage people you know film yourself measure measure yourself you know you get one of these things but there's something you're fine I make my daughters repeat in every day what is discipline and they'll tell you you can ask them discipline is doing the things you don't like to do because it's it's everything it's everything you you can't get anywhere without this I don't always want to teach or always want to train around always want to runs I mean everyone run sprints but like you you you if you have to do it just like shut up don't give yourself the option you know and this is why we're a good coach comes in place we're boss like the reason why you get those reports done on time is because your boss will fire your ass if you don't or it's like if you're your own boss is so much harder because like I'm not like no one tells me when to do stuff I just know I got to do though I can do it tomorrow and I can I can do it next week if I want but everything else gets held back because of that right I got a cost and remind myself like man you got to get this done you got to get this done and like even like sometimes I don't want to get on the computer and I'm like I'm behind like 20 emails and I magazine anxiety is over that computer here comes the problems you know like I hate this but I forced myself to do it now because that's how I make progress in my life yeah I think that's I figure out who said this but there's sin see a lot of people rely on motivation to get things done and motivation drains right I always talk about it as a motivation sack up with a hole in the bottom all right you fill it and then it slowly leaks out of you and if that's its maintenance to keep yourself motivated you have to constantly expose yourself to motivational material to keep filling that cup faster than it leaks but discipline essentially he's a safeguard of that he doesn't plant doesn't give a crap about anything else it's just you always do it there's no matter you know like so if you're not a highly motivated individual or you have a hard time getting motivated then becoming highly disciplined well keep you from needing to be so motivated because discipline is just like you said it's do or die yeah don't give yourself to you don't give yourself the choice going to work or going home after work or whatever yeah just like just I'm certain have it's like it's beyond that you have to create that happen like we'll go back to what you were talking earlier about habits yeah and you don't give yourself the option the second you're giving yourself the option whether you're gonna go train or not you don't go wrong track yeah the option is not on the table one of the models in the gyms always like not training is not an option and I live by that you know like my students every now and then like I'm not feeling well I'm exhausted not trained is not an option thing I'm like I don't feel like training like tonight I'm still gently I just came in from Europe yesterday I don't probably drag me off my ass to the the mats you know but it's it's a good thing not to give yourself the option and just like push through no matter how you feel absolutely you know when you do it enough I am for example like some of this stuff is kinda monotonous the logging in the measuring if you're putting stuff down but or a time become to look into it because once you start seeing numbers and the numbers start moving the way you want them to now you're like oh I can't wait to measure myself down see what improvement like if you if you're monitoring yourself in okay I shot five takedowns and he scored one takedown like that wasn't that good and the next day I look in the I scored two out of five hey I'm getting better and then as the numbers move up now you're eager to measure yourself because you're seeing dancers going in the right way but at the beginning as you're saying is not usually pretty because it's a new thing and chances are the numbers aren't good when you start you know all right oh you're just getting the baseline numbers okay now it's looking for those improve it's six weeks to create a habit you say yeah there we go guys start today okay six weeks crates weeks till create those good habits yeah yeah Dave we gotta finish I know I got a reply to those 20 policy may pick up my kids I'll reply to them while I watch them at gymnastics and then take them to jujitsu and then teach a class train go to bed early that's the plan that's a wrap always a pleasure I hope you guys enjoy guys if you enjoyed it please share with your friends you know we really appreciate that and we're you know we believe we're offering something that's really unique in the in the fight world like we're trying to dive in to fight it on a deeper level not just you know the average topics so you know we feel the community needs this so that you guys can help us spread the word I appreciate it yeah just send them to breaking the guard calm that has the links to all the different sites or you can just google search breaking the guard podcast now pop up on any of the podcast platforms thanks guys thank you guys see you guys next time [Music]