BTG 16 - Equality

[Music] hey guys what's going on David Avalon here Robert Drysdale for another edition of breaking the guard today I wanted to talk about something that will probably ruffle a bunch of people's feathers that's what we do right but I think the theme is to talk about the entitlement privilege and going to a little bit of that so the first thing that caught my attention I saw some post going on a couple days ago they were talking about how women in jujitsu and extension and I may need to be paid equally to men and my take on it is it has nothing to do with your your gender or how much you weigh or whatever it is it's all about how many people are gonna pay to watch you right so unfortunately usually women are not being watched as much as men in combat sports and the other weight class like people if you're a big male heavyweight you're getting the most money of anybody we have lots of talented fighters that have lightweights that big get paid nothing compared to the heavyweight counterparts and now is this like oh wait ISM yeah no it's just some laws of supply and demand you know like if people don't want to pay you to watch you you know it's hard to pull they justify I need different ways to tackle this conversation I'm not sure what angle to start with but like I hopefully will cover all of them and and you're right like I think there's an expectation there and you know they're all it's for from a break I mean immediately you know at first glance you look at any girl you gotta make sense they're two both fighting the same amount of time they both train just as hard and in women should get paid equally and immediately that makes perfect sense and but you're right when it comes to promotions with a guiding force behind promotions it's not ideology it's not you know misogyny it's that it's numbers they're looking at profits you know so when the UFC I personally grew the UFC's rules are tweaked towards striking against grappling yeah answering you know like the Commission has a tradition in boxing and there's there's some of that but I honestly believe that UFC as an entity prefer striking because it's something that appeals more to the public it's more exciting perhaps it's something that everyone understands a punch not every wonder stands an arm bar okay so the UFC is leans toward striking no I don't like that right but it is what it is I understand it I don't think the UFC is like purposely being biased against grapple I think the ryu FC is it reflux of the audience you mentioned the weight class same thing Mighty Mouse was outstanding yeah he's gone for PAL he might have been the best didn't they find me one of the best of all time yeah really asking for sure skill wise he's incredible he didn't sell nowhere near as near as as much as Jon Jones or DC and I why is that is it it's just it's a reflex of the audience and the same goes for jiu-jitsu we always use the example of like you know ruin them off a see me like 10 11 World titles or something and he he does he's not as popular as guys like I'm not gonna cheat people that sometimes never want anything but just because they're heavier they're in the spotlight a lot more right and that's unfortunate but it's just the reality and I think at the bottom of this conversation David and this we can talk about this a little bit is the it is that age-old discussion of you know nature versus nurture you know like what is what what is versus what I wish were you know science and biology versus ideology like do we have an inclination towards preferring watching heavyweights fight or men fight because we understand that heavyweights in general have an advantage over lightweight so in the hierarchy in our heads heavyweights are better than lightweights and the hierarchy in our minds men are better fighter than better fighters and women so the public is more likely to pay for the best versus the second-best and in terms of fighting and this is not a sexist corner it's just factual like men are better fighters on average it's not a natural that the public wants to pay for the best yeah I I agree with you you know like uh and historically that has been proven to be the case like I had actually looked up the top well actually every UFC pay-per-view that's already been run and the numbers that were publicly shown and I was surprised that actually the very first UFC only had like 90,000 bias oh wow I was like man that's nothing and it was such a very first one the very first one so not bad money to think of it there's place selling with 40 50 bucks yeah and you only give me sixty thousand for those and that was flat you know I don't know they pay travel but very minimal budget you know so they made money of course but like compared to now and yeah it's there was like playground stuff you know so like the top UFC of all time wisdom recently was McGregor and khabib and then did 2.4 million eye things at the biggest one of all that's the biggest one of all time a while and but most of them that was the only one that broke two million the rest of them are in the million range Conor McGregor no surprise holds the record he has a four fights in the top 10 of you see paper views and like one point six point eight the heels I think the first three spots the next big draw Brock Lesnar yeah not a surprise he has two of them right it's like 1.3 1.2 the next big draw Ronda Rousey yeah 1.1 she's number two she's number three she out of well in my standard which is who hold held the most spots views so Connor had four raka to and Rhonda had two and she was just underneath brocken sense that she had one point one is in four out of three so and I and if you know people who are headlining obviously they from my understanding they always got a cut of the pay-per-view action the percentage is varied depending on who they are but yeah it's fair to say that Rhonda got paid significantly well and probably better than pretty much everybody else in the UFC besides those mega stars so you know there was a for a while Dana White was like women will never find that UFC this above like man he made a big stink about it and why did he say that I think one he likes playing diverse ecology game event to probably he saw the numbers don't make sense right like I wanna pay for a female division I'm gonna build it up and not as many people gonna watch it it was only until he all he saw the king you know what the market is growing for this and we're gonna fill a niche being the only people offering female MMA and he got blessed to have it a star like Rhonda who had some natural charisma and just a lot of people wanted to watch her you know so she was like one of those few people we talked about last time that like became a celebrity outside of just MMA like everybody who follow celebrities knows who's wrong about games like they know Conor McGregor not everybody knows who you know Derek Brunson is even though he's a phenomenal fighter I am so I don't think if they could bring Rhonda back to her prime days like when she was killing it yeah and she could hey when I fight again you know Dana's I'm gonna beat no we don't want women yeah no he'll think oh come on you know business owners just make money remember there's one UFC and I remember where I saw this but there was a meme or I think cyborg was in it where the women got paid more than men like the main card and the like the the the co-main event and all that the women got paid more than men it was an unusual UFC but so these things do happen but once again it's a reflex not of all we're trying to boycott women we don't want men and what making money is just a matter of ticket sales yeah we did an event we commented on this event about just over a year ago CBD it was the first time that men and women got paid the exact same amount and I and I'm happy that we did that and I'm proud of that and I agree with it but you gotta understand we're black both CVD is coming from or was coming from different perspective we have artificial injection of money and to creating a promotion that is not aiming at ticket sales with product sales yeah so it's very different so and under those circumstances we're not dependent on ticket sales to make your money you can actually afford to do that in fact you can pay women more if you want like it's a little bit different right but if we're gonna talk about organization that is gonna be a reflex of ticket sales then I don't see how heavy aren't gonna always be the lead I don't think that is that ever gonna change is it possible that it's gonna change I don't know I think that the average UFC Fan we're gonna agree on this is not very educated into appreciating technique you know they're just more likely to look at things you know the heavy guy beats the little guy therefore I'm gonna spend my money I want to watch the very very best and it's just it's a difficult one because I you know I'm an idealist in so many ways and I would like things to be in a certain way but at some point we we have to look at maybe just this the way you know what cat what to what extent can we change things that might be you know just so instinctual to us to just lean towards you know like and I just don't see in terms of sport women ever being as appealing as men because men are more athletic on average you know it's a tough one well the they I think they can like someone that Ronda for example she eclipsed most men that will ever compete in the UFC as far as success in popularity right so it's possible but her success wasn't necessarily based on her skillset more so her personality and then the character that she became right I think was both like she was very I think she was lightyears ahead of the division to encounter technical I'm grappling you said yeah and once I'm one thing I know remember you commissioned Dana like I remember Dana I remember the press conference in in New York before it was before maybe everything was even legal they were pushing for it and it was I think the weigh-ins were in Manhattan and the fights were New Jersey or something like that quote was when Frank and someone asked him why no women in MMA and then he goes like this the little skill level is not there and he was very blunt and cynical and this is like before Ronda ride it's been a few years ago like more like a decade ago and it made sense to be like yeah he's right like the skill level at the time was not there were not that many women training but like even IBJJF when they first started they if they he had like two divisions I think it was blue and purple brown and black and now they're adding weight classes and no they have like every division because there's a lot more women practicing so you know 15 years ago people were kaku's an idea Jeff being like pro men and against women it's just the matter of like numbers only 30 men women for four divisions like I can't create more divisions yeah I only have 30 women signed up right more women sign up we create more divisions of course like any other in private institutions are aimed at profit not at you know there it's not a they're not waging a war against women yeah it's a matter of numbers to me the whole argument is pretty much economics based all right like a day business like the UFC or IBJJF they're in it to make money yeah so I don't think very like you said I think we talked about though the last time they're not like sexist or racist or anything like that were like oh we're not gonna let someone win because or make we're not we're gonna kick ourselves in the ass by not trying to make money because we have these no I don't think so I don't think that's I think it's just it's just based on the numbers you know so like for people who want to transcend unfortunately yeah you know if you're you know a woman oh you're a lightweight you're probably gonna make less money than a male in a heavyweight division right but it's been done right Conor McGregor is enough that's paid Paul the athlete in the UFC or MMA Adolphe time and he's a lightweight 100 oh you probably 155 and were 45 he moved all over the place but it was a smaller guy in but he did it through charisma if there was character you know they were the marketing of himself right so that's always was gonna make you the most money right like Brock Lesnar is like a double-edged sword then since he's got the WWE crowd and he's his Giants but that lacks the charisma yeah yeah yeah me he just has the WWE character you know I mean but he's not like I can't remember one word that he has said I mean like I don't know phrases as you said they're iconic you know that Connor has a bunch of them you know yeah well like you know I think that you know the Connor is an example of a lightweight doing well in you know in terms of ticket sales but I guess when we look at these things you know we can always point out the Connors and the lightweight divisions and the Rhonda Rosen the woman's always possible but we have to look at you know to have this a broad-ranging view of the issue we have to look at the average you know and on average right the ticket sales lean towards the heavier guys and boxing has always been that way to you know Harley you know and I just don't I just don't see a way around it yeah like you said there's a gonna hear him bias and I think you're probably right in the sense that for the for the average guy he sees a big dude and he's he's a little guy he's like the big dudes gonna beat up the little dude so the big dudes are gonna be the best fighter right so I think that's always gonna be true you know like when you look at like powerlifting competitions you're always seeing strongman it's always a giant you know monster or a guy that you're going to watch you're not gonna watch like the hundred and forty pound guy even though like I just learned the other day like I - the person who holds the best bench press is actually like a 40 year old woman was like 130 pounds and she could benchpress 325 Wow was like holy crap you know I mean like wait I said that the record poor I think they have something call it the Wilkes score which is like essentially a portion to your body weight proportion to your body weight oh yeah and I think it also accounts for for for gender or whatnot but like technically she's lifting better than anybody else that's incredible which is amazing you know maybe because normally women on the bench press it's a really hard thing to do because you normally don't care that much muscle mass in there but like I said I saw her lifting of the bullet she's a beast you know so like you know but those rare right that's like you said we could find like the outliers but as a rule of averages you know yeah it's not gonna work in their favor no so I think you are right there in the sense that we're always gonna look to the bigger male figures to be the better fighters the stronger guys cuz that's just a stereotype that exists right unfortunately even though it might not be true it is what it is you know so if you want to overcome that you have to follow the examples of the the MacGregors and the wrong dose which you have to create that personality even guide someone like Henry cejudo right like he's taken over dimitra's Johnson spot and doing way better Yeah right even though like they're pretty closely skilled like you know they got one on one each you know he got the last one but like even then it was kind it was really close right yeah I mean but he's doing way better than demetrius was marketing-wise yeah and he wasn't even an interesting character before but then like he started branding himself Triple C and he's doing the cheese ball to like grin them they gotta find a voice we're gonna find a voice on that would be the advice to you know women and light awaits in general is that once you find that then you know people more likely be interested in what you have to say because once again the average fan is not educated enough to appreciate your technique as it ought by itself you know they need a story I didn't need a context they need the drama they need that the the soap opera right they need a nanny like Rhonda was that character she had really cool background from judo she had a really sad story with her father she was feeling she was fighting for her father and on there that's that adds to the character because now you got a story behind it you know you can see that the emotion has a we all have these stories we all have you know like a context behind our journeys but unless you get that across you know people aren't interested yeah and they think it's important that people break out like that because essentially Rhonda paved the path for other women to follow in her footsteps yeah and sort of take over the mantle right because now like maybe before her the average dudes like yeah you know woman couldn't do anything you know if I they're not gonna do good and then they see Rhonda kickin anybody's butt and like oh damn women can fight and make up I'm really good no no I'll start paying attention now good before I never even considered it you know like then the average guy might have thought that way and then she just opened the path and likewise when you have light weight so my questions are good and then you see Connor smoking pools and you're like oh crap you know yeah these guys could really fight you know and they actually had a clip of Connor fighting the mountain and he like body Tiki Odom like in a sparring session like they weren't going super hard but like he got them out you know but those videos are important because people start seeing you know what technique is important and I think with time with a more educated public these things may change are they ever gonna be completely equal and fair I'm not sure I get where women are confident ones like we should get paid to say because I know how hard these women train like they train just as hard as men there is also the fact that there are a lot more men practicing BJJ for sure whatever they may for that special unit so my gym is close to 5050 when it comes to women you have a lot of women really like I think have a is race you ever see a ninja like close to it like other than women gyms that are like almost no I've seen gyms are run by women yeah and then it just draws only women very few guys go to it right but like for a gym run by a guy I have like close to my half my audience being female you know third which is still pretty high yeah you know and I think it's going up and it's changing and I you know has a father of two girls I truly believe that you know BJJ at least speaking for BJJ maybe not MMA is women are the future demographic for a BJJ you know I truly believe that you know I think they're attracted to it they like it just as much as men they're intimidated by the idea of having someone on top of it yeah it's a very difficult thing to break that Paragon or you know you're gonna convince them like it's not as threatening as it looks initially because it's it looks sexual if you don't understand be doing you're gonna have a you know some hairy guy breathing on you you know it's trying to choke you think about put yourself in their shoes sure they have trauma yeah you know so that's like a very you know and they like we don't even like people approaching our personal space imagine someone on top of you trying to choke you your first day right so advice the gym owners is like ease them into it they're not you you like sweaty people on top of you trying to choke you out right you've been training for years right your new student does especially women but I don't know yeah I just don't see a way around that like I would like I would like them to get pages as much as men but as if I think of a profile promoter of any fight organization I just don't see them making that call unless that's part of their marketing scheme as to mark is like we pay exactly the same and that turns into a marketing tool to draw a bigger female audience I think that the issue perhaps is not so much what the promoters aren't paying is more like well maybe let's do make more noise more noise to get more women watching your support because the support is not really coming from cuz I hear that's the poor woman's BJJ I'm like yeah let's support it but the support is gonna come from women themselves who are actually gonna be engaging with the sport more not forcing promoters to make a unreasonable decision when running their shows yeah I'm gonna be in the hole $30,000 this show just to to show my support to like that the twelve women who showed up my event yeah it's not fair and promoters either okay so it's it's it's a grassroots kind of like slow process it's very organic where you have to convince women that women who don't train this is cool you got to support it you got to show up at the gym you got to buy tickets and when you guys start doing that every time I woman fights and then the promoters see that I can guarantee you they're gonna start paying the women better whatever sin I've run tournaments and if you would told me a we do it a woman only to just turn him in and you're gonna get all these women coming to watch it easy hello hosted 100 times in a 100 yeah yeah so it's just an economics issue right like you said like a lot of women who are doing judges you're like oh yeah we should support it but are you I don't know if you know because you can look at I mean Invicta is a women only MMA promote have a ring boy I thought was pretty funny yeah what are you couldn't pay me enough to do like yeah how much buzz does it get compared to other promotions not much right so reflux of yeah the greater audience it's not even the educated public it's the it's the I think ninety percent of people who buy the UFC never step foot in the gym more like 95 percent sure yeah you know and that's the reality is they're artists so when they know why it makes these decisions I don't like them have the decisions he makes when it comes to like giving people title fights like I hate him like what are you doing man I'm a fan you know give me give me the got number one versus the number two that's what I want to see yeah bring in the guy number 14 for a title fly just because he sells tickets but he is a promoter he's looking at numbers he's not looking I'm gonna support men over women like it just makes no sense I think Frank Metacom is like even when you hire people I think it's not and I agree with him that's not a decision I would not never hire someone because not hire someone because they're a woman or a man right it's strictly a business decision exactly you're getting a high base of your competence you know and it's just is what it is like some you know I don't think men and women are identical I think we're biologically different people don't have a hard time accepting that because it's not very it conflicts with an ideological discourse but it it is that that's exactly what is it's just ideology you know a lot of this discussion and a lot of the current debate on you know gingers and and the role of women and men if there are rules it's all everything is a social construct right and this is cemented on behaviorism which basically says that we're all the same you know born exactly the same so if a boy ends up paying playing with LEGOs and the girl with dolls is because the parents force in that direction right and a lot of people you know they've assimilated these beliefs right but it's not scientific we know today that's just not the case and anyone's a parent knows is perfectly well - anyways say I've had friends of mine were like cultural anthropologist and they're like no no behavior everything's a social construct everything is culture there's no biology where learn creatures right and then they have kids Oh change their mind just like that you know that Gotham that guy he's got a mind of his own you can give him that Lego the and the and the doll and the boy wants to play with the Lego and the girl wants to play with it all and it's just it's our biological Leaney now are there exceptions yes but the thing about this discussion is people always want to talk about the exceptions if you're talking about a broad-ranging issue that you can't talk about exceptions you have to look at the whole there and the whole gives you an average and the average tells you a story right it's a consistent story throughout history but a lot of people didn't denial about that nothing things you seem to think it's a bad thing oh that's exactly what you would expect from nature that's a good thing yeah it is this in every species why should be.we be any different like all we're different one part of the of the world were part of the living world like why why is that bad yeah not bad no it like you said it's just it's just differences all right and yeah I definitely don't agree with the statement that everybody is born equal know everybody has their own pros and cons you know and the goal of life is to try to figure out where you fit you know where you're happiest and what acids that you can make strong in sometimes what you think is a negative it's actually going to give you an advantage because you have to work around it or whatnot you know but I think it's pretty obvious to see that whatever your parents and grandparents were doing it kind of leaps into you also yeah it's very common you see like the children of famous athletes and they're becoming now you can say oh because they raised him that way yeah there's one thing but then there's also some genetic bonuses coming here right and there's also something learned behaviors you know like there'd be hey I believe behaviors can be passed down from one generation to the next you know it's probably survived like what we call instincts all right like why are we scared of low pitch sounds you know because generally those were like an horror movies you sometimes you don't even realize it they have very low pitch bass noise doing the moments are supposed to invoke terror and what they discovered is that when you play this it creates anxiety in humans and reasoning is that roars and growls of predatory animals have these low pitches in them yeah so do learn experience from predecessors yeah and then when that little pitch is coming that means some bad things coming along the way and we gotta get scared and start running a fighting you know and it's funny because I love this talks it's such a fascinating one to me we accept us when it comes to Anatomy so for example we understand that black scans adaptation to sunlight yeah it makes sense you get in tons of sunlight you want a shield protects you but if you get that black person you move them to Scandinavia right they're gonna be very likely vitamin D deficient because they're not getting enough Sun right so these are adaptations for environment when it comes to our Anatomy like our height color of our eyes when it comes to all these anatomical we accept it perfectly no problem he's perfectly you know we understand it right it makes perfect sense and cuz of the mind then oh no no no no the minds different yeah you know and then there's just like this white sheet of paper that culture does all the job and there's no genetic print from hundreds of thousands of years of evolution none of that is imprinted in your mind it's all up to how your mom and dad raised you there's a list I'm sure that's where I found this list of a cultural Universal they exist in every culture and it's ever been recorded right and there's a list of like something I can remember the number like hundred traits that are common in every single culture in other words they've never been in contact with one another we're talking about a little island the Pacific that wasn't contacted by other people up to like you know 100 years ago or whatever right and they all have these traits so what that suggests is that there are aspects of our behavior that precede you know to proceed farming they proceed you know they go back hundreds of thousands of years that's what it suggests on the only question is this is the question that no one can really put their finger on because it's too complex it goes like this where does one end and where does the other one begin mmm because they interact so much you can't separate them so it's so difficult it's like trying to separate technique with athletic ability which is like my biggest peeves and you're doing some people were like all taking it gets separate from athletic ability you know it's not a good double has good timing good speed and good power and it's the same for your bearing bow low sweep your grips are off your hands are weak it's not happening right you can't you can you kind of we talk about the might of different things right but they're so they converge so much there's so much overlap and it's hard to separate there's no doubt to me that there are biological differences that goes without saying yeah the only question is to what extent does that you know allow we're not allowed the the impact of culture nor behavior right and how they interact that's and no one could put a finger on it I agree with you I always found that funny too when people say everybody has equal mental abilities like fortunately it's not true you know like in the ideal world yes everybody would have equal mental ability equal physical ability for a man why not make it a completely level playing field but it isn't that way you know like does anything like somebody can have a longer nose or shorter nose you think those type of variations don't happen the brain between like how people spatially process this is how they have linguistic skills absolutely yeah it affects of course cymatics it's just way is social intelligence yeah I saw a sense of humor I think some people like my six-year-old daughter she says stuff and I'm like and that was witty that was fun I'm not witty guy like that you know she's like she can get it for me you know like it's just like she has like my kids but deserving my kids and their best friends they do you ever think there's almost like the distinct person they're so tight yeah you know they can go like if they go without me or without mom it's they don't like it but it's okay right but they can't go without each other for more than five minutes it's insane right and exact same raised upbringing you know you know and they're completely different they're best friends with a completely different person yeah you know and I think there's so much going on in terms of you know weight you know tiny - jiu-jitsu everyone thinks oh you know if this if you know if this guy is better than that guys because this guy trains harder it's like he may or may not train harder you know but there's a million other factors they're not just physical there are also mental that come into the development of your flight of your of your jiu-jitsu ability you know like I think some people learn faster sure I think some people have a spacial kind of awareness that other people have less developed we know that you know like certain parts of your brain may be more or less developed just like you have me you may have longer or shorter arms you know you might have like you might be really hair you're not very hairy you might have a big nose or a small nose you may have your good parts of your brain that are less developed than others which will give you an advantage in certain field right but tell that to a behaviorist and see like oh they get angry yeah they get it hey they don't like to hear it because it conflicts with everything they believe in like when we talk with kids I try to address in these systems in his courses the different pathologies that people learn you know some people learn through physical contact they have to literally you have to do the move on them so they can feel it versus some people either show them a video and then they get it or some people they need to hear the message you know it's like like you said these are just different developments of the brain right like how people learn it's all berries and that's it goes to show that the brains are different from person to person yeah you know I'm like that's worth doing like mind-body dualism you know which i think is garbage and I think there weren't they're one in the same yeah so there's definitely a lot of variation there so it isn't a level playing field you know everybody's different but it's just learning how to work with your differences yeah and and and that's exactly I think that's a good thing though it gives you know variation there's um there's a book another agree with a lot of the conclusions of the book but it makes them good points called the Red Queen and Matt Ridley and it goes like this the microbiological level the reason why side it goes to try to answer the question why sex or sex about gene shuffling because if every person is a clone to the person next to them then our biggest rival of all time which is bacteria basically viruses right did why what's up they figure out a way the bubonic plague would have wiped us out how we been clones in terms of our immune immune system it is precisely because our immune system is varies from individual individual into from place to place that we are able to what overcome bacteria and viruses right imagine if we were clones what would happen so sex it's about gene shuffling right we mix up the genes we end up with like you know mutations we have new people that are just completely different from the previous generation not completely differently you know but they vary right and that variation is what allows what the flexibility and the specie that's exactly what you would expect so this different these differences we have they're there for a reason and they're not bad it's exactly why we made it this far you know if you look at every every specie that has been a lot has had longevity in nature they they had there's a large there's variety of the specie you would expect that right very interesting way of putting you ever thought of it in the sense of surviving disease but what you said is makes hundred percent children history if you have a clone of everybody and they have this new immune system you get that one that you don't have yeah which remind us thought I'm an article a while ago it was some scientists saying that antibiotics on the greatest threats to human civilization yeah yeah and everyone's like what antibiotics are good no they're not antibiotics we have like one antibiotic that beats MRSA if that MRSA figures out mutates and figures out a way to beat that we're out of antibiotics like we have tried every little different way of I don't the word is I'm missing the word putting together in biotic chemically right sure my girlfriend tells me this all yeah yeah she said like the advance was the antibiotics is terrible like they I made any great leaps in the long no that nothing happens I said just combinations and we're out of combinations basically right mersa figures it out we're doomed basically you know it's like it's a threat to human civilization really all no exciting that's why when I get sick for me to take antibiotics I have to be like pneumonia like I'm gonna die I'm serious I don't unless I and I have the best but I always tough it out as much as I can because I know that as a result my immune systems gonna come out much much stronger I'll tell you like one this is to music is fascinating right but the just something really really interesting it's it's a big puzzle when it comes to you know understand you did we did very so much and and and the immune systems get trained right they get stronger weak depend on your environment right so when I see parents that are like you know totally clean about their kids can't put your finger with your toys in your mouth don't play with that that's dirt right and kids are constantly putting stuff in their mouth right there it's a form of training their immune system yeah so if you go to the favelas in Brazil the slums right they get exposed to open sewer they get exposed to they had animals garbage it's not a clean environment right so the infant mortality rate is super high because these a lot of these kids don't make it like they don't they don't they can't beat that threshold of actually training their immune system becomes strong enough to defeat the environment right but as a result when they grow up they turn out to have very strong immune systems so the stereotype goes like the kids from the favelas and the slums don't get sick and I thought that was just a stereotype it's just it's just it's like a myth we did a camp in 2006 abrazo had like a hundred plus people from all over the team from over the country came to train it was one of them it was a coolest camp we've ever done we had so many good guys our to train right towards the end of the camp everyone's getting sick everyone we were trained to three times a day everyone's over trained and the favela guys were tired sick and actually I don't know if it's just if I'm just reading too much this but I think there might be some truth to that like you get exposed to so much bacteria you're you're bringing by the time they're an adult you're like you're bulletproof man let you bring it you know so the point is you have to find a balance with these things if you're over and clean it's not a good as a child like if you're not exposed to bacteria that's not a good thing know for sure it's pretty much what I need it for Americans got wiped out by the European exactly although you're dirty Europeans in a big league and they've got all sorts of diseases that were never encountered by no you know what that is weather why why Europeans I mean Europeans were and medieval Europeans were on the habit of showering didn't they do like some of them go like days years without thinking about it was not a thing like Native Americans will be very dramatically from from place to place and culture culture of course but they were cleaner for the most part so the the fact that they were so clean actually worked against where the Europeans were so filthy at the time that they created super germs yeah I know blessed on top of that they're living in close proximity with livestock so you know pigs cattle sheep probably a lot of like bestiality going on I'd imagine you know why people say about farms yeah it's funny certain places in Brazil in Latin America by the countryside you hear stories oh yes it happens you know and that creates like of course super germs and bacterias because now you have you know there's feces everywhere in rats every we can imagine what kind of genes we created in Europe yeah or like jeans up tongue immune system we couldn't lathe a very strong immune system so yeah pretty disgusting yeah but it's just like anything you guys like I mean this is from a physical and an immune aspect but general whenever you put yourself in a bubble you make yourself weak right because like you say you're not getting exposed to new stimuli you don't learn you don't adapt you become stale as long as you in the bubble you're good but the moment that bubble bursts you're done for that I mean so like and this is just like from everything like you should always be looking to expose yourself to new sources of information even if it might be scary to you because then you're gonna be able to grow from the experience you know so kind of like all your talk about with the women getting introduced in jujitsu I I want to chime in there I agree with that beat I think the ones that probably benefit the most from jujitsu versus something that kickboxing or whatnot because like yeah I tell my girlfriend like if she wasn't herself defense I kick boxing it's not gonna be that useful for her yeah she's a hundred twenty pounds and she's been doing yoga and contours my whole life she's all slow-twitch yeah I mean she's doing got any pop in her you know so she's not gonna knock anybody that's a good point yeah yeah she's not gonna knock anybody with a hand so I mean there's women that can but I mean in her case she's not you know she's gonna need leverage she just who gives you leverage you know and I think we'd benefit the most because of you know obviously with sexual assault all that you'd be in the ground that's what you just have thrives you know so I think they get the most out of it compared to dudes who would think into swing on each other and not as big as a deal I mean like the grappling is you don't have to rely on it as much not only that we going back to the original se just remind me of something wouldn't open though the women's division they're less knockouts - yeah so the crowd loves knockout yeah right that's a good point that is the lightweights also have less knockouts of correct decision a lot more knockouts in the heavyweight division cuz your brain doesn't get tough for as you get heavier ya know your hands get a lot everything that you know so these things I think they they they play a role in this this conversation would for sure and you know like you said since UFC is very striking based the ko is the ultimate expression of winning so ya heavyweights I could do it within seconds at any moment the fight but I mean like Derrick Lewis he was like losing five rounds or three rounds and just one punch of five seconds that well there's an argument though like I just remind me like I think that you know the counter argument sounds like I'm a counter arguing myself that is exactly what I'm doing like like you take a look at the fan fans in Japan for example right how educated they are so I I guess that it does show that the the power of education and changing things for sure so I think that even though there might be a biological bias towards us leaning towards certain things in life in general you know I think that education goes a long way as well yeah so in Japan everyone has done judo at some point in their life so they're at least familiar with it right yeah it's they don't give you've never heard Japanese boo in general but when the match is on the ground the fights on the ground it's almost like a tennis match like you have a hundred thousand people in Saitama Arena and he just crickets yeah and then when like you know you remember a Nogueira will be going for an armbar and the crowd will be like you could see they were so excited because Enders was going I was like I guess that there are ways of you know the certain the public can be educated the American public it's a very Western / boxing / - bar fight / I'm a tough guy and I'm gonna beat you up you know like there's a lot of that in the culture I think that the UFC reflects that a lot for sure by choice just by pressure of a vice they can on you know going back to the phenomenal age is a key factor I think it's the guiding factor and like respond to everything we do in life at the barbary bottom of things we don't know we don't like talking about we like to be like oh no we're you know it's ideals and like I think at the bottom of things like money talks you know we a lot of what we do is you know steered this way that way based off of economic situations for sure you know and I'm this kind of brings me into another topic kind of similar but you know as human beings as animals we're very short-sighted right and we always just focus on what's gonna be good during our lifetime very rarely do we look a little bit maybe for our children and that's about as far as we look you know so when you look at businesses and they're making their decisions they're all based on that lifespan of that CEO you're like how am I gonna do well yeah then my span you know like do I have to throw garbage in the river yeah okay it's not gonna affect me no problem and that's all I'm looking at and the rest of history is all run right like that's all I need to look at you know and I think which is suicidal what do you think about for this piece not for yourself but for the longevity is theater people like to blame like Oh humans are the worst like animals do it too you know like they don't even think that for yeah you know they like you put rodents in - I think there's a island off Boston or Massachusetts I was watching us a special about gene editing and all that on Netflix and these rats are just destroying everything because there was no natural predators and they're eating up everything else right so over time they're gonna destroy the environment and there probably won't be able to survive there and have to move off sound familiar what we do also right yeah do what happens is we keep other animals in check and unfortunately there any animals are keeping us in check you know I mean so we're allowed to grow beyond our natural means without an outside influence whereas animal populations we're doing things that you know we put poison and pesticides and all this other stuff that creates porn problems but we're able to put those things in check but bringing that back I think a lot of problems like for introducing wine things I talked about was like paralytic there's some times where people feel like they need to like you have this student who feels like he needs to be promoted because he's shown up X amount of times or he's been there for so long and I find this happens a lot with fighters to where you know as they start getting better particularly when we do the sponsorship cases where we bring someone under our wing they start getting greedy and they start getting short-sighted and not thinking long-term so it is I guess the poor I'm trying to make here is just to stress that people need to little think just a little bit longer than just immediate you know I feel like for the most part a lot of people make mistakes in their lives because they're just looking at this yeah like okay I need this now and I'm just gonna get that I'm not gonna look beyond that because once they look beyond them like oh crap yeah I've put myself in a path where I just grew up a lot you know I I agree with you I think there's uh I mean that's one of the topic of biology and you know a lot now longevity I saw this is like an old step I remember I saw it but this is biologists he made an argument the average life spectin see of a specie on the planet is a hundred thousand years hmm that's to light them up for dry some long like bees have been around forever yeah you know other species don't they'll make it that before right the average is a hundred thousand right guess how long Homo sapiens has been around more or less depend on what you call a homo sapien Drive but most people would agree one hundred thousand years so we've created the means to our destruction you know we we have all these things like we we're so we're more vulnerable than we'd like to think you know I think that we've conquered the animal world in a lot of ways but I think there were a major catastrophe or nuclear Armageddon right a lot of animals would survive we wouldn't yeah yeah I don't think we'd make it yeah there's cockroaches with a cockroach is what I think I think i dont know how rats with you with radiation but like they just seem to survive no matter what and it's amazing when you think of how adaptable a rats are because the rats have gone into every part of the world works pretty much humans of God managing Disney combos symbiotic because they're just on art you know they basically like the sewer rats the ones that are you know whatever their world the population is much bigger than human population they are exactly where we are it sounds like they need us you know where they parent them are long yeah because if we weren't driving and apparently the rats will swim across islands and stuff like that like they're very adaptable they're probably one of the most adaptable ones I was watching about New York rats and they're very smart in the sense that if they watch another rat eat poison and die you're like okay but no you're not and their rib cages actually expand and contract and that's how they can go through pipes they can go up your toilet because they're able to their ribcage can flex in and out and so they have all these crazy adaptations that just make them really resilient to survive in many environments it makes us think that I you were like what do we do we just we're just smarter than them that's our only I when I really get you one get down wet the only advantage we have older uh died just like we're just smarter yeah that's our thing Frank was talking about this and he's right like that's our thing we're smarter we're not stronger we're not faster or not we're adaptable like we're more successful to disease we don't you only survive in every environment well actually we have one very besides our brain are one of our best evolutionary assets is our heat dissipation we can dissipate heat better than the other animal for sweating or sweating yeah well most animals don't sweat which is no animals I do you think it I think that we're the only guys what pigs baby yeah I'm not sure but yeah most animals they release heat to panting yeah right and that's why they actually have a there's a form of hunting called persistence something chase hunt I call it chase hunting yeah but it still existed I still exist and I think I find that in the Aborigines also in Australia would do it when they can literally run down an animal and not like a slow and with a time like antelope or something and over the course of hours eventually the animal fatigues and they just walk up to it hit it with a spear and it's done and the reason why is because in order for the antelope to release heat or dissipate heat they have to paint but they can't paint while they run there's a stop it stop so that the stop and then the humans catching up because they can you know sweat they can dissipate heat the other advantage we can carry water with us yes they have to find a water source at some point yeah and we can chase them down make them run past that water eventually gonna collapse sort of dehydration or just overheated and die so that ability to dissipate heat has allowed us to survive in many environments because we're able to do that I mean whereas most animals can't it's funny cuz we think of ourselves as slow you like you just made a very good point like in fact birth I mean if it's a marathon where the fastest animal in the world yeah because no other animal can I mean how Campbell would do like a camel can go in the desert for a long time it might be one of those exceptions it gonna hold water yeah they can hold for the most part you're right we can outrun it and they do it outrun a lion was England there they have races with horses and then the guy walking on foot beats a horse walking walking it again it's because over time probably a whole day yeah yeah so it's a it's an amazing ability that we have mesial crazy right and then we take if we get annoyed by it like I'm sweaty but it's one of those things that allows us to be like an endurance yeah you know so it is an interesting aspect but yeah of course obviously the brain is probably our best leverage especially now with everything that we don't rate I look at you did some I go like it just was just like our way of like how can it might be more like those animals over there how can I be more like a gorilla or like a tiger you know because we're so weak in comparison yeah you know we're still enough Colette akin comparison and then that you just mentioned something rip like that the sweaty thing actually forgot about that it's huge man but I think a lot of times that you know we are still very much in touch with this animal side and fighting as part of that you know like I thinks fighting is about the most primal thing you can do I were biased to say so I'm sure you're gonna agree with me I don't think I can't think of anything more complex than fighting like because it's a highly intellectual endeavor right it is people think oh it's just like brute strain like that if you say that you've never trained before it's highly intellectual it's highly emotional it's incredibly physically demanding what is harder than wrestling physically I don't know like a multivariable okay this is pretty complicated like it's not though but there I think it's the combination that fighting is deafening complex in a sense that you have a series of physical movements you have to do that young to anticipate with your opponent's going to go and then you you have to manage your energy resources and so there are a lot of things going on in fighting and the stakes are very high as well I mean whereas when you're doing something intellectually complex but just back you know like we were talking about physics or the consequence are usually not really steep yeah oh that's urine space or bull one know how to do math it's gonna get you killed definitely it's complete it's not like the most like intellectually I mean kuan physics is more complex I agree okay but you know it is complicated intellectually it's very very a lot of strategy going on it like I think makes chest look simple chess players getting mad and you want to say this but it is because chess is two-dimensional in the story fighting is three-dimensional involves the human body with infinite possibilities are as far as a movement goes there's a lot more variation yeah human movement than there is in the chessboard right but then it's very emotionally demanding and I get super hard right so when you put all this together I have a hard time thinking of anything I can think of things that are more you know maybe I intellectually demanding like that like there are things in life that are more emotionally demanding for sure but when it comes like the whole package I think fighting is the most complete thing a person can do yeah for sure and they're like you said because you do have lots of strategies to employ in fighting you can win fights in many different ways depending on your your skill sets and your opponent skill sets and you you will bury them accordingly so like Joe Rogan always loves to say you know it's like dynamic chess because it is in a way and but you know in chess the rook always moves you know forward and to the side right and I'm a it's not always the case right because depending on like how tired you are maybe you only move to instead of you only you know and maybe they're poor you're facing has more than one Queen because like yeah there's a lot of things that are constantly changing there's no like fixed variables like chess everything's fixed there's rules and play and they always are in play but when you're in fighting things are always in flux you know like beginning the fight nobody's sweaty submissions and takedowns are easier as people start getting sweaty now submissions have got a much more difficult yeah very difficult I mean like I guess single-leg on somebody with no shoes on is freakin impossible it's hard to slide off you know and you get tired and stuff so then you're like okay the calculation has to be adjusted down like on how effective my takedowns are going to be late in the fight or how the effect that my submissions are going to be you know if I said yeah that in that sense it is more complicated because the you have to constantly make adjustments as everything starts changing throughout the fight and only that one when present one in the chessboard if a piece moves forward it might be placed in a slightly different corner of the square but that has no implications in the game right when you take a step forward if you're stepping here here and they've been how fast or slow you step and how steady your foot is and you have a knee injury or an ankle injury that all plays a role in the outcome whereas in a chessboard when you place your pawn right here it has no technical implications it doesn't matter where in the square it isn't the pawn doesn't get injured yeah it has its Dead or Alive right so it's very binary yeah in terms of like what is what is we look at our little you call the tower though the castle okay yeah can all y'all you know it's but it comes to human movement you know it's more complex than gymnastics man like even gymnastic super complex and you know there's a lot of things amazing things you know stupid I think fighting is it's infinite you know I think a good demonstration of how complicated it is is think about the UFC games I mean I haven't played them and I played them and I think when they first came on the Xbox I don't think there is I don't think that yeah I think it was a class no we're Dreamcast as you're too young going from there they haven't really changed too much maybe the other two buttons or four buttons whatever but still like trying to make a game that you can control with your hands that will perfectly replicate or you could do in the fight possible you don't come even close like you have grapple button or grapple high grapple and they do a good job oh yeah yeah you're approximating as best as you possibly can while not making it overly complicated because like you only have you know ten fingers where you start getting your feet in there like you only hundreds of buttons to be able to do everything virtual reality is probably to be the closest they're gonna get to and then they're gonna need to put the little sensors everywhere so like if you're trying to say like how can you like mimic the complexity of fighting just with a joystick or even a keyboard that you can says yeah there's too much noise like you said like the foot placement being here versus here is all the difference in words the anxiety where's the fear were the broken the bad knee or is the the the herniated disk exactly the conditioning I notice your video game character I should play that game first came out like I don't believe you hadn't played video games in years well that Grand Theft Auto thing came out of ice city I was playing that game like eight hours a day I couldn't stop playing and I kept thinking man this guy's got amazing cardio just a written across it never stopped running you know we don't factor these things in but once you throw all of that in you know it's you can't you can't mimic it you can't replicate even with like in virtual reality it's still gonna be let's say you have a suit no no actual sensor they have a suit like a which are probably not very far away from from having that Ryan you have your goggles and you're actually in a fight against khabib you know and in the video game khabib it's not gonna be the real khabib obviously they're gonna have level easy medium and hard you're in there where's the anxiety yeah you know where's the fear where's the preparation where is the the coaching all the shit's going on in your life that's like you know and on your mind if they have the fight you know what you can't they're it's so stressful yeah it's so mentally challenging there's no way you can replicate this I know I'm biased but I cannot think of oh I'm scared of like skydiving yeah bungee jumping okay bungee jumping is pretty scary alright I'll give you that but that's it there's no technique to it your [ __ ] job the same way like I'm there a bungee jump before but I've skydived yeah I had no problem doing here like it was easy for some reasons bungee jumping is play because you can see the floor that's my I never done either but I want to do both but I think it has to be you you can see the the floor in front of you feels like you're gonna I don't know there's more sketch and I feel like I I don't trust it as much as a parachute as a parachute for some reason I just thought that there's that there's an old like VHS series called called faces of death or something oh yeah it's like a really old and they're like all these horrible ways of dying and these people are bungee jumping and falling you know the-the-the or it's not the court is too long they measured it wrong or the guy falls on his head and he'll straight into his death be the last one yeah but uh no but like it's it's terrifying Dave but it's not it doesn't it's that's it that ends they're like you know quantum physics is complex yeah yeah but it ends there there's there's all these other consequences of fighting and losing or could be very devastating Adam so many variables they they that's why I think I cannot think of anything more complex yeah you know like I think it's the consequences that make it so much more difficult you know I did play a game once and I think I was called aliens vs. predator like like a long time ago but they had a mode in the game which was called like hard mode where you weren't allowed to save the game at all and yet to play in one go and the level in those games the level was like it was a first-person shooter but it looks like a 30-minute long level so imagine you're playing like twenty five minutes and then you get killed like you know glass all over again you can start all the way over again yes but and it's aliens vs. predator universe so it's scary you know like you have like aliens jumping out and it's all pitch black and they did a really good job making the game and I remember I would play and I got killed in the last minute but like that was like the best like approximation of like you know anxiety because you're like oh I know that so they coming out here yeah you know you can't answer though that but like even then not that scary because I'm not gonna actually die you know I mean it's just I wasted time right but like imagine if you're playing a video game the consequence was death like I would never play the game no like fighting the consequence is potentially death but usually just a lot of injury but up my I've always been drawn to combat like it's it's mine age from all nature I guess so all the video games I play I didn't like them I mean I did the car ones like I was like combat was always my favorite and right now I'm almost playing that street fight or two since we're talking about video games yeah man I would get I would get so angry over every time I hate I remember like I think I'm probably broken like three four remote controls and I never broke the actual console because I was like way too expensive and I know it was gonna do we would have more control I can afford a new one right so but I was that key I just hated losing them but I remember like yeah just being obsessed with that game you know like it was just something that was even like one of the games I played as a kid with everything had to do with GI Joes and he-man well yeah I think I think there's a lot of the cartoons at least when we're growing up in the eighties you know they're all like violence based I think mostly I think if you look at most cartoons or you thinks there's always some element of violence in it because like you say it's a very human part of nature there's also a very interesting part you put up a if you know suddenly right now me and Robert talking and then we see two little people here start fighting nobody gotta listen to a mean you're saying they would stop talking yeah fight or it draws people attention you know like it's just something I think that there is there are some dark features of human nature there's no doubt we can the reason I like history so much people think that psychology is a window to human right I don't believe that I don't think psychology is the one I think the greatest window we have is history because history it tells you what we're capable of history tells the true story of you of us right and there is definitely I mean there is an inclination that perhaps boys have perhaps the testosterone the fault of this doctrine makes you more aggressive but this is why martial arts are so important because if that is indeed the case right so do that's not the case we're not violent it's all cold from like look at our history you know we so the so the beauty of martial arts is that it is a way of channeling that channeling that that aggression in a very positive way I'm not a violent person anyone who knows me if anything I'm almost like people talk [ __ ] to me I'm like I should probably do something I know it should be angry now I'm not a people offend me yeah I remember like me like people get arguments with people they offend me and I'm like I probably should be upset but I just don't get upset you know I just don't have that because I'm I guess my aggression is left on the mats yeah you know and it's always in a very positive way because I can go to war with you and it's never personal right and even if you pop my arm I know you didn't do it on purpose there was a malicious yeah yeah exactly so it's like it's never but there is a lot of aggression on the mats because we can go to war yeah like in a sense where I'm actually trying to take you down as hard as I can to the point where I am exhausted and if I stop trying to take you down or sweep you it's because I have nothing left you know but no one actually got hurt there's no hate though some people say that MMA is violent it may it's not violent violence involves hate you see yeah it may is an extreme sport it is an intense sport yeah like motocross is is an extreme sport as intense more more injuries in football in a motocross than an MMA deadly ones at that you know maybe not the case of and it felt so much but motocross for sure like car racing all that now it's even their worst for yeah cheerleading a lot of injuries I could say apparently cuz all those flips they do a lot of aerobatic Souls let me call cheerleading violent it does that fly doesn't fly it does it yeah so fighting is not violent in the in the sense word there's no hate involved even it'll trash-talking just for ticket sales there's no real height truth is they respect each other because proof of the fact that they respect each other is that they're trained really hard to beat one another correct and that's evidence compelling evidence that they actually do respect each other but I don't think anime or BJJ or martial arts in general are violent in that sense I think that they're very intense sports violence to me involves anger like deep-seated anger hate like you know yeah rightly some at least some social issues you know you mean yeah this is a different interpretation but that I I agree I think most people they saw like it used to say fighting fighting MMA is human cockfighting or whatever it's trying to draw that association where it's just violence for violence a right it's just when I see blood and guts like no that's not what those comments they exclusively come from people that have no understanding what's going on you know one funny thing is about fighting is that it is one of the few I mean there's some things I think we should all have an opinion on like politics to me is something that if you're mentally sane right if you're not a child if you're as a healthy mentally healthy adult you should have an opinion on politics sure because the world you live in depends on that right but when it comes to things like quantum physics I don't open my mouth you know why because I don't understand when it comes to like you know there you know every now and then I'll try to read something probably it's just beyond my comprehension I am not trained to have an opinion on it I don't understand it right and I kind of know I mean sometimes I push that but like for the most part I think I know where I should I shouldn't comment right but when it comes to fighting people were so up everyone's opinionated everyone seems to know what's going on like this is too violent this is not real this is a you know we've been cockfighting or you should have done this show than that and my take on it like if your it was you've been trained for a long time you should probably not talk about you can watch it appreciate it but you probably shouldn't have a strong opinion on it yeah yeah it's a lot more it's a lot deeper than your average person thinks it is because everybody's probably been a fight at some point physically with a sibling know why there and then you your basic grasp up that's like oh and there's a red face about it yeah like no it's like saying I understand you know you know physics who are like quantum physics because you know I took a science class in elementary yeah exactly there's levels to the game you know and you're like here and MMA is like way up there you know so but I think a lot of those comments actually were politically motivated and economically motivated yeah I think it was Senator John King at a time remember who he was I'm not sure he had a stake I think or yeah he was lobbied by anheuser-busch who at the time was heavy into WWE there we go so the rise of MMA and you see was there's a competitor to that so I think they lobbied him for hey get rid of this competition this is how if I don't believe in idealist idealistic politicians make it that form the status quo your average status quo politician is gonna look at like where is the public opinion leaning the majority of people feel this way that's where I stand now the majority of people feel that way that's right it's down they go according to the wind as the wind changes they they flip-flop and you see this a lot so like you know this McCain really did he really have an opinion on MMA probably not yeah you know I I think it's it's exactly I know that but it makes perfect sense and that's politicians for you leave not a lot of you know yeah it's very rare to have all the ideal is because they don't really last long enough because of people who are getting their pockets lined by lobbyists are gonna be able to stay around longer campaign all understanding I'm open I think lobbying is a single handily probably the biggest problem in washing it's not something people talk about because both parties are deeply involved in it so it was like no it's pretend it doesn't happen it's like these guys are straight up buying elections they're buying our Congress people and you know they're they're you know yeah they've rigged the whole system to their favor but the private sector is deeply entrenched in Washington and no one seems to think that that's a problem yeah it seems I mean we're probably again talking however depth but I agree with you that says that it seems insane to me like why are people allowed to you know lobby and give like financial incentive and stuff like that to people who are making policy yeah you know it's one thing that you're supposed to be educated on it and I get that but it's another thing when I'm able to stuff money in your pocket to make to sway your decision you know to me is pretty much a nice way of saying bribing you know so yeah and I think the whole lobbying thing is a bunch of yes they they said like a fair they should be like NASCAR driver put all the suits at least we know who's paying for him exactly I just learned this recently and this blew my mind it makes perfect sense but I you know I dealt with Court not too you know too long ago you know about it yeah and I didn't know this but you know what judges are elected you know that right okay all right everyone no judges are elected in the United States guess who pays for that campaign imagining mostly us but I'm but I'm guessing there's probably some private investments that attorneys law firms law firms of course it makes sense there's $100,000 for your campaign buddy yeah so yeah what does that say about yeah that seems very mean I'm sure that's not out me I don't know I don't exactly I don't know the detail like if it's out in the open or not if it's Leo or not but you would expect that to happen yeah you know corrupt system you would expect that to happen right unfortunate that's why if I think to me like we're talking about like having an educated opinion there are certain things that I believe everyone should have an opinion on like this is one because it's not complicated fighting is complicated on physics complicated lobbying not complicated you could have an opinion on that all day it's not very anyone can understand you know in fact you could be illiterate and still get it you know it so you even need an education understand something like that it's straight up right out in the open for everyone to see yeah and you're right there anybody who's participating in this country or whatever country you're in you should know the rules of it yeah because you're you're playing by it whether you want to or that right like it's kind of like are we talking about how a football player would be silly nothing to all the rules of football you're like well this is the rules of life you know or at least a society you're participating in and you don't know all the rules or you don't you do you don't want to educate yourself in them it's kind of like you're being willfully ignorant which is one of the worst things you could do in your life is to choose to be ignorant on something that affects you so drastically and I'm to blame I think you're everyone's to blame and we could always you know norm or but it's funny how like we end up spending so much time learning things are completely meaningless to the to our own well-being be selfish to your own movie don't anything about your country I just think about yourself just be selfish for a second think about how much we know these kids know about video games and adult sometimes celebrity in celebrity you know like what you know what's that like Brad Pitt buys a new puppy what's his name you know it pooped twice today people care and blows my mind you know and ask him like hey could you name you know and then with the senator they're not interested they don't want to do it you know a little things like that what it's it's funny how that works I think TV probably plays a role but I put most of the blame on on ourselves know for sure we're always blaming media and laying the the bleed Illuminati it's an easy way of solving the problem right let me know it was like some conspiracy is like now it's it's us we were the ones buy-in it or paying for it a friend of mine and Finan team oh oh yeah made me realize how ignorant I was probably the most important function that I have being alive just breathing Wow all right like he was teaching me different ways of breathing you know and he had me do a test like okay I want you to do as many pushups as you can right now I did him and I forgot how many it was he said okay now we're gonna do a breathing meditation led me to do it cuz okay now go and you had me do it with a specific breath pattern and I ended up doing like 20 more push-ups really yeah and just after doing him so like it's not the other way around you mean so like I should have done less technically but I was nice fatigued I did morning I was like whoa and so yeah because you know you weren't properly energized of ry like man it makes so much sense of course breathing's important we have to do it to live you know and they but nobody takes the time to get better in it it's just like oh this is enough you know I mean like I'm alive okay that's good mission accomplished but like there's technique involved you know it made me realize you're man like I need to put more time into learning how to breathe you know like it's such a basic thing but just like sure our job is basic but do you know all the different ways on the head of job you know do you know how to do the fainted a hundred steps do a jab backwards were forward left right you know slippery Jeff there's a lot of ways you could do a job right and you can get very technical with it I think a simple function like breathing is the same way based on the little that I've seen of it you know I mean like there's a lot of different ways you can breathe and yoga there's a lot of stuff on yoga breathing and what's-his-name a team oh I can't get him out here be on the podcast I mean in Vegas because I would like to learn more about this I've heard a lot about it I have realized I've caught myself holding my breath and did get to before is it's it's a reflex you hold your breath because your core is stronger when you hold your breath right yeah but learning how to breathe while you're Strong's difficult right so a lot of times to tell my students is like like the sound of a flat tire because it you can keep your core rigid why say your arm boring someone or passing some guard while breathing versus holding your breath but it's super hard to keep that habit create that habit of doing it without reminding yourself it's so hard to do I would love to learn more about it I don't know you're a completely ignorant on the topic oh yeah have you and they get you know jumbled up and breathing just go to a yoga class if you've never done yoga like I went to like one of my students every Coco Co no he's not doing any more but he was at a time he had brought me to yoga he's a super flexible guy I guess he brought me to like an advanced class and it's my first time there you know and they're like okay downward dog breathe in exhale boo back we breathe in there and like there's so many things going on I'm like I'm gonna die because I'm gonna try to keep up with the breathing pattern and I was totally off you know so it's like it's just like another sign like man there there's a lot of complexity involved and even something that's simple that we've just taken for granted you know I've learned a lot more about this just by weight training because before I never really paid too much attention to it technique eases off lift the bar up yeah and then now that I've started studying videos I actually when you're doing the bench press you're supposed to but your shoulder blades back you know it lifts your arch your back and you know keep your feet parallel bar distances and now I start seeing it's kind of like jujitsu you know there's Stephanie to everything you know when you're doing the arm bar everybody could just do this but when you pinch the knees and you dig your heels and you know you attack the grip you know it's funny like you you hear these things and sometimes you know something you know it on a very superficial level we talk this but your mind has not absorbed that right so I recently started like killing me with armbar some close guard now I had not done armbar from close guard well since I was a blue belt and I'll string him with other white belts and I can armbar them because they just try to grab my neck right basically it's like well or more from close guard it's almost like something like oh these don't work anymore and I've recently gotten back into them some technique that I've developed but like something that really made a difference when if guys were stacking me and there's that struggle when you're trying to extend the arm and they're leaning on you and sometimes you win sometimes you lose I just started ported all the focus not so much on my hands it's not that my arms weren't working but on my glutes I was like in making sure that my glutes were involved in the armbar versus just trying to extend the arm so like you know pinch my feet down you know squeeze my butt cheeks in and really try to keep my hips in there as I apply pressure on the arm my arm barger sky I feel like I got like 50% stronger just by doing that and I realized I wasn't doing that like I get the armbar and I could not finish from the bottom because I'm so focused on this and that's I'm forgetting about the rest of the body now it's something super simple had you explain this to me oh yeah of course I know that well you're not doing it yeah it was only like when I started doing it repeatedly that I realized how important it was and how long I had neglected something even though I knew it there's a different we know when something and really knowing something and actually doing something right like incorporating that that into your game yeah yeah I think it takes a certain amount of awareness like you're saying just to like okay let me focus on everything that's going on when I do this technique and break it down to the most basic elements right like as most people think about the armor there and then they're focusing a lot of the hip bridge right usually when you're doing the mounted arm bar that's your focus right when you get a high hip bridge but like are you focusing on everything else like what are your hands doing how are you gripping where are you gripping right are you grabbing around the thumb or you're grabbing around the wrist or your knees pinching in your heels digging in how are your hips are you saying using your glutes like there's a lot of little details that you can dig out I think a lot of the best benefits that you get are your moves the biggest increases come from the small points yeah all right like I know that guy always blow people's mind when I teach Kimora from side control because most people when they do the Kimora I control they step up and that's the first thing to do and then they try to yank yeah and then like I don't like don't do that yeah I don't want to create space if I can put my point on my chest right on your shoulder yeah you've done that to me like you you can't barely move and it's an instant tap I mean it doesn't require much strength that's a small detail you know but like that one little detail that's maybe well a 3% of the move creates 80% of the benefit yeah you know so a lot of times like you know the stuff you just haven't focused and you might be up doing it but not focusing on it right so they I think people want to get better at they're just so just anything in general you know like break down whatever it is that you're doing into every different element of it because what's gonna happen like you said there's stuff that you're doing unconsciously no you hasn't registered into your consciousness and then when you actually bring it down you're like oh wait there's this part of the move that I'm kind of doing but I haven't really dug into it yeah I mean I find like for me that's how like I get a lot more out of my moves when and you get that allowing you teach right like you know like the more you teach there's some people that they don't get the move they don't even see at all and then like you have to figure out okay what is it that he's missing he's missing this part yeah here you go and you're like oh Sh crap I never even really paid attention to that part it just happened and now that I know this let me focus on this part and make it really strong and then you can see it a huge game it doesn't require you to be super intelligent or know things have seen a little it just requires him focus I know is that teaching has been single handily the best teacher to me I have a learn more jiu-jitsu through teaching than I did through ashley attending class it sounds like I'm full of it like it takes an instructor to see they appreciate you breaking down what you do do your studio whoa I didn't realize that do it I did that or to go oh what if I do it this way because you want you to slow it down you're able to see things on a very logical level and not just because a lot of times when you're grappling you're doing stuff you don't realize it just instincts and you're just and sometimes with the right things yeah that's a bunch of the wrong things but when you slow it down you're able to you know make a distinction between right and wrong look or better worthless avoid using right and wrong in jiu-jitsu better or worse right and yeah I mean so for me like teaching has been the greatest teacher for sure like I know like I made the my cue or trap system back in 2007 and it's gotten better all the time and now I don't grapple as much as nearly as I used to right and but I've taught it more and as a result but a teaching just I can say I uncover things I do unconsciously and bring them into conscious awareness I think that's like how you can get the most leverage of anything when you can consciously see every part of the move then you know which part of the move actually has the most leverage but if you just do it or you just mimic a move like I can grab anybody I like okay here's overhand right mimicking you could do it but you're just getting an approximation of what it is right until you realize okay I gotta rotate the shoulder hand up turn the wrist over close it you know and then you can maximize the move you know I mean there's so many ways I've I've learned to do that just even with closing a fist you know I like I don't like hitting the heavy bag with gloves I always do it bare knuckle because what I found is that when you wear gloves you tend to have a soft hand because the glove is giving all you this padding you gently you like you don't really flex it as much and I can hit the bag hard and the wrist supports brace your wrist so even if you're hitting with bad form like I'm hitting like this it'll take the shot when you hit bare knuckle on the bag and you hit like this it hurts why is it never thought about that makes perfect sense because the other thing too is you have to strengthen the bone density and impact is gonna do that when you have a soft pad and then you have big gloves and then you have your hand wraps you have this much of a layer between you have a cast on yes exactly so it actually it takes and I don't know if you're getting the same month's muscle the bone density you would if you were actually just hitting the bag did your records like sometimes I hit the bag better not cool just like goofing around and I know I have to really place my hand correctly as if my hand is slightly off and I'm gonna hurt my especially if you thought you putting some power in it like you'll realize you can't hit it hard bare-knuckle we especially be not conditioned and because you're you haven't trained your hand well enough to hit bare-knuckle and yeah when you hit a glove I can go all-out on it and I don't have to worry about hurting my hand but in fighting in street fighting is common to break your hand because you know you don't have perfect technique and hitting the skull is a really hard object so I tell people if you don't unless you're a trained boxer or even hitting path for a long time you know what you're doing in a fight open hands I'm serious the odds of you heard in your hand are greater than you actually heard and you're pulling with your hands unless your hands are trained yeah because people the most common thing I remember growing up my friends I didn't get in a lot of fights but my friends were getting the fights like every weekend it's like like every other month of you a friend of mine with a broken hand you know and it's like and it took me along I thought it was normal yeah you can go fight you break your hands like no you don't know how to hit Brown and then there had people in the top of the head with their pinky you know they don't how to turn their punches so some advice self-defense situation let your hands are trained open palm because you can still do damage officer if you know I mean if you got some natural pop in your arms or because you're not trained you can still knock someone out open hand injury face of a palm that's like they're your best place to take a shot because you get a straight column that's a problem where people are breaking their hands weight training accident I rolled my wrist oh but usually when you're hitting here this is all flexi so it rolls rolls rolled and you heard your hand that way easily you know so yeah it was actually one of my black boats jamun wall he had told me he had read a book from John Dempsey it was a famous bare-knuckle boxer from all times and yeah knocked out a horse or something like that he never trained with wraps or gloves he always hit bare knuckle and it was because he said it was gonna increase his grip strength yeah because you have to have your idea when you're hitting bare knuckle you have to keep a really tight fit yeah because of your fist is loose one you're softening impact because as your hand closes and taking away power from the punch but two that means you're loose here you're gonna flex such a great point like my guys had the bag with her knuckles now except because here I liked when I had I'm goofing on it's exactly what I do I make sure my hands are perfectly positioned right with the gloves you don't do that yeah you don't have to and because you have so much wrist support your chances of you rolling your wrist or none yeah but like yeah if you're doing this all time you gotta focus on keeping that column straight you gotta turn your wrists a little bit down there's more wrist though because if you put a little too much into it and your wrist is not prepared I can see you getting injured for sure you have to prevent that you got to start you gotta start slow yeah like when you go like I know when I first started doing I'm like damn I'm hurting my hands yeah you gotta go slower you're getting too hard for your so you got to build your way up you know so in the beginning of like man this is not nearly as much muscle you can normally put but over time like now I don't have I can throw it as hard as I normally could without a problem you know but even then like your stamina to hit hard also it kind of fades because as you start getting tired this wrist support gets a little shaky so like if you're hitting like you could do like three 15-minute rounds hitting pads or hitting the bag with gloves is not a big deal and I can throw hard the whole time but like with bare knuckle I find that I can't do it that long as I start getting tired my wrist starts giving in a little bit more than that this hits softer in order to not to hurt myself so one thing that might explain you're starting to hurt your hands there is that you if you're hitting with gloves all the time right what happens is that power from your shoulders and your body mechanics is still there is your hand matching that power in terms of the endurance and the conditioning necessary to deal with that power I find with the glove take your gloves off or even put small glows I think that explains what some UFC fighters break their hands it's not just the gloves are smaller it might be that the power they've developed is it's almost like having a car whose engine is way too strong exactly yeah you know so the engine is too powerful but the body is not you know is that odds without that power yeah and I'm for sure you don't have to go bare-knuckle and hit the glove but if you're gonna wear the gloves just try to keep that in mind that inside the glove keep the same intention you gotta roll it in just like yeah give it me sure knuckles aligned with the radio on the all night yeah yeah to keep that straight and then you're keeping the form strong so you're hitting with a solid support because they'll make your punches harder yeah like you will hit harder from that because there's less rolling your punch say tons of knowledge tons of technique highly intellectual as is is my biggest peeve is like people associated fighting with like a meathead it doesn't you know I hate that stereotype it's a common one I mean there are people out there there are me head so there they fight they fight good but they're there I think the more the exception than the exception you're right when they're good fighters but the thing is even if you're illiterate you've never read a book in your life even if you don't know anything about anyway fighting is still highly intellectual because it involves a very specific kind of intelligence that has nothing to do with me in book smart right or even street smart is this its its own kind of intelligence I had known guys they were not intelligent in anything they did except for fighting they came to fighting they were just like bordering on genius you know they did every little thing about their mind was just like gear for that right anyway Dave I think that's uh you pushed it today hope you guys enjoyed it's a good time to wrap it up yeah we want over the place we started with equality in pairs a petition online about it I know I said I would sign it like don't get me wrong it's just I don't think it's like you're saying it's kind of artificial right it's not I you know I would love it like you said if we had a whole boost of women suddenly started in that you meant anybody who wants to watch women fight Yeah right yeah let's get more viewers in there you know like I want more fighters to be successful and you know and whether they're men women little big whatever but it's gotta be real yeah like you said like we only have so many angel investors out there that are willing to throw money and not get them in return back you know it's not a long-term feasible it's a statement is that sustainable exactly right like that's the kind of problem we have a grappling they're usually propped up there now it's really hard to get that the man purely in the grappling sport again probably because education issues right now we don't have enough people who know earlier but uh with female fighters or for lightweights you know I think like I said my best advice to get a good marketing angle and get a good personality you know build that character don't expect just because your virtue of your of your talent and your abilities that that's gonna it's not enough because man there's so many amazingly talented people that are undiscovered you know and like what amazing stories yeah and then exactly they're fantastic people you know but they just don't get recognized and it's because the failure to market yourself you know like you can have the most amazing product in the world that could cure cancer and all that but if nobody knows it because you live in the Amazon and you have it you know it's like some herbal thing you're not gonna be successful I mean we didn't leave you have this talk one in some other podcast where we like how do we is there a way of being of marketing yourself and being ethical because a lot of what's going on we talked a little about this in other podcast but like a lot of it is crossed that line in my opinion and we're seeing more and more because it works yeah yeah need to talk about that see if we can talk about it sometimes I think it's doable though I think so it's harder though I remember like just to wrap it up never think those are role-playing games like RPGs a dragon sized super geek as a team I played Dungeons & Dragons on the table and everything yeah yeah so there's one a Star Wars one oh yeah choose between being a Jedi or a Sith Lord okay everyone wants to be a Jedi of course right but the Sith Lord can do stuff at the jet I can't do the Sith Lord had like some some added powers and benefits so they as soon as people see that they don't want to be to sit you know so like attire look at these things like you want to be the Jedi or Sith you know when it comes to like more like yeah because it's rule if you do things that are like on the Sith side of things you know it's easier you get you know they're more faster reward yeah there's definitely faster new words going that way but it's funny because whenever I play role playing I always tell myself I want to play the evil guy but then when you actually get the decision so yeah I always also thought of RPG games I would hold everything like I would like ok I gotta save all these potions and items because I'm gonna need it and then I finish the game and we can talk we gotta talk RPG one day I used to play this kids so much fun alright guys I hope you guys enjoyed you know hope you 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