BTG 173 - Kill or be Killed

Hello and welcome to another episode of Breaking the Guard. We're still on a dry spell of MMA events. Not much going on in the grappling world either. We did have a wrestling event go off on Saturday. Real American or I'm not sure what the acronym stands for. I know it's RAF Wrestling and they had a big matchup which was going to be Bo Nickel and Yel Romero which a lot of MMA enthusiasts were excited about because we're going to get to see one of the more exciting wrestling crossovers. They did had a great career in MMA now come back into wrestling against another wrestling crossover that's just starting in MMA. But unfortunately it didn't happen. Uh Yel missed weight by seven pounds and Bo Nickel was not going to take the match as a result. So he dropped out of the card and then another wrestler stepped in. The name is slipping me. I think it was like Steven uh I'm not sure. He was 197B champion in the NCAA. So obviously a very good wrestler and that he took that match and I I'll give some spoilers now. Uh so if you wanted to watch that, watch it before listening to this. Otherwise, Stephen ended up techfalling Yo Romero. I believe the score was actually 11-0, which is normally 10. He must have scored a two-point move, I guess, to to finish. So great for him. And I guess that kind of kills the mystery about the bow nickel matchup, right? Uh so I guess that match is probably not going to be booked now. U but I'm not too familiar with the guy even I could be even wrong with the names. Forgive me if I am. Uh I I just know that Bo is a big star in wrestling. At least that's what they were marketing him as. So I imagine that it would be a similar fate. And you being 50 is obviously not a great thing in the sport of wrestling, but he did look great against Pat Downey, but I guess Pat Downey wasn't up to par. I don't know. We had another interesting MMA crossover match, which was Lance Palmer and Armen Serukian. Now, Lance Palmer was a NCAA finalist if my memory serves. Armen, I'm not sure what his wrestling background is. I just know that he is a good wrestler. He is a good grappler. Uh he's won all the events. He's he's been doing lots of side quests. He's won BJ matchups. He's won wrestling matchups. This was a test of I guess going against American wrestling. And in a shocker, Armen Techfal Lance Palmer 10-0 within maybe two minutes, I think. Uh which is just crazy work. made it look really easy. Uh he just kept getting front headlocks and going into gator rolls. Uh the the very first one happened almost instantaneously. Just got front headlock, snapped out, rolled him, and almost stuck him on the roll, but then Lance kind of scrambled out. He got four points for the back exposure, then got two push outs, then scored a taked down off another front headlock, and then gut-wrenched him 100. Made it look like easy work. And uh again, Lance Palmer is not a joke. So, just goes to show you how good Armand is. And you could even hear the commentators just, you know, beside themselves like, "Oh, that's not supposed to happen. That's not supposed to happen." you know, like I can't believe this is happening. You see, one of the commentators, this woman is like, "Oh, I know Lance can win this." Like, doesn't look like it, man. It [laughter] does not look like he's stood a chance. Which is crazy. And that just begs us to say, man, can we get Armen a title fight? I know he keeps kind of shooting himself in the foot, but man, uh, he definitely seems like he could be the guy to to win this title if he just doesn't mess around and actually gets into the title match. But the last matchup, we had Kobby Cumington and Luke Rockold. Now, Kobe I think was a NIA wrestler which is I think is pretty much junior college if I if I remember it correctly. And as far as like tiers because you have NIA then division three, division two, division one and at least from what I read division one obviously is tip at top. People tend to say that NIA IIA is somewhere between division three division two depending on the guy and the school I guess the the skill level. Luke Rockold as far as I know doesn't have a wrestling background. So he was again doing another side quest. He's done karate combat. He's been jumping to grappling events. He really hasn't done well honestly. Um, and this was no different. He got techfalled by Colby I think in the second round and uh I forget the score. I think they reported as 12-0. I'm not sure if that was at a 10-0, but either way, usually 10-point lead is a tech ball. Um, needless to say, it was pretty one-sided affair. And I'm not sure what Luke is hoping for, but he seems to keep going for these competitions. And he's just getting embarrassed, honestly. I don't know when he's going to It's like I feel like you got to know when it's time to see your way out. You know, at least here he's not getting, you know, his teeth knocked out or anything. You know, the the foray into bare knuckle fighting was not a great one. You know, uh I don't like seeing people get hurt. you know, I've trained with him and he was nice enough in training. So, I just feel like you got to know when you got to call it quits. And I he's in great shape and all that, but you know, it's one thing to be in great shape, you know, it's another thing to be in fight shape and to have your skills finally honed. And once you start hitting your 40s, it's it's a lot harder to do. I say that, but then uh you have anomalies like now we have uh Rafael Lovado Jr. just competed on Saturday as well. I think it was a Friday Saturday if I'm not mistaken, a two-day event in an NIA tournament and his team, I think, ended up taking seventh place, but he ended up winning three matches, lost two matches. He got two pins if I remember. He lost one of his matches by points, I believe. But solid showing for the 42-year-old competing against college wrestlers. Now, some of you may be asking, how does he have u eligibility? Apparently, he didn't he dropped out of college. I don't think he ever competed in college sports. And there's no age cap in NIA. I believe in division one, two, three there is, but not in NIA. So, even as a 42 year old, he can compete. and he's doing heavyweight division. Kudos to him. You know, he's fulfilling a dream of competing in wrestling. I guess I don't know. It's another one to me that I don't really get it. He's done so much amazing things already. This kind of seems like why would it matter? You know, you you've done legendary things in your grappling career. you know, he's two-time silver medalist in ABC. He's won, you know, the muna's gi, I think he had a grand slam if I remember correctly. So, it's like, you know, in jiu-jitsu, amazing career in MMA, undefeated career, won the Bellator fight, he beat uh Gerard Mousasi, you know, which was a big name. impressive, you know, and he had a very short amount of time to do it and he had all sorts of, you know, health complications in the in the route. So, the wrestling seems like, man, I I don't know. I wouldn't be excited about it personally, you know, like I don't know what I would be proving. Uh, and I haven't done as much in my career as he has. So, but you know, if he's having fun, man, good for him, you know. Um, but it is crazy that he still has the capability to do it. And to that I'm impressed, you know, because to be able to do five matches over two days, especially wrestling matches, which are high paced, they're much higher paced than grappling or noi grappling. It's like it's another level pace. The last time I did wrestling, man, I must have been like 20, early 20s, maybe younger. Yeah, I can't tell you for sure. I know I did a US Open, not US Open, I'm sorry, the Sunshine Open, which is another big uh tournament in Florida with my brother. And mind you, I was in my 20s. I wasn't in my 40s. And uh I ended up winning three matches. I lost one and the one I lost was honestly BS in my opinion. Uh I did a head-on arm throw. Oh no, no, he did a head and arm throw and I caught him in the air and then I kind of put him down and they called it a slip. Normally, it's a slip. At least from my understanding, if they go for the throw, they miss and then they go immediately belly down and then it's and you cover them. It doesn't count. But if you catch them, I thought it was scorable. And then I went for an elevator which in jiu-jitsu is sumay basically where you know they got the single leg I got the lat grip I got his wrist I throw him back and they gave him two points for that instead of giving me back exposure for turning him when I initiated the move. So I thought it was pretty lame. Uh, but I won my other three matches and I I could have kept wrestling, but I remember it was pretty late in the day. My brother had washed out. He he was wrestling up I think like two divisions and it didn't work out well. Wrestling is very sizeoriented. [laughter] So, I remember he wrestled somebody. I'm like, "Good God, the guy looked like a bodybuilder and it was a rough time for him." Um, and I'm like, man, we're gonna have to be here until probably like nine o'clock. And it was in Orlando, so it's like four hour drive to Miami. I'm like, I don't like it would have been a meddling round, so I don't know if I because it was a round robin tournament, so I could have potentially taken first, but I'm like, I'm not going to sit around for like three hours for, you know, a $2 medal. I just wanted to get the experience in. So, I was like, okay, that was good enough. But I can tell you those four rounds really tough. Uh I remember I was getting called for stalling within the first like 10 seconds of the match. It might have been sooner than that cuz I was used to my grappling pace and when we shook hands in the middle, I kind of took a step back and the referee warned me right away. I was like, "Jesus Christ, we're just getting started." And u I remember I had to stay like headtohead the entire time pushing forward. So even though the rounds are generally short, it's still just you're burning the entire time, you know. Um, so five of those would be pretty exhausting. And then especially I think it would be probably better for me personally all in one day just because I know like at least the way my body works now I get much more sore the following day or at least it's got to be like five six hours later where like the fatigue and the soreness sets in. So if I had to do like another day I mean oh man it would be a disaster. I I'd feel like total dog on [laughter] on day two. Uh so yeah, that would be tricky because I I get asked pretty often about competing and like I could do a super fight maybe, but doing a tournament would be pretty rough, you know, especially a multi-day tournament. Yeah. And it, you know, now how big some of the brackets are like ACC trials is crazy. Some guys are doing eight, nine matches. I'm like, "Oh man, that's that's a long freaking day, dude." So, uh I think I'm pretty sure those days are behind me, you know. Um, but I do find it admirable and at least uh for Loato, it's a very motivating thing to a lot of people because I think a lot of people don't have the type of careers that, you know, he or or him or I have, but they still want to compete, get some glory, but they might think, "Oh, I'm too old to compete." But if you don't have that type of mileage, right? Like if you haven't really done any type of competition and now you're like 30ome and you want to start competing, yeah, you totally could, right? I wouldn't say like, oh, expect that you can be a world class competitor. That's a little far-fetched for most. But if you wanted to be a weekend warrior and get some taste of the action, which if you're unhealthy, I think, yeah, man, go for it. I think it's good to challenge yourself in that way. You know, just much like people, you know, will do a tough mutter or something like that, right? Some type of run, a marathon, you have to challenge yourself. You know, I think combat sports make it particularly more dangerous just because you can blow out a knee, a shoulder or whatnot. The likelihood of that, well, not great is greater than in other sports generally. you don't have to worry about, you know, somebody blowing out your knees in a marathon, right? Uh but in competition, you definitely could. So it's not [sighs and gasps] I would be hesitant to recommend it to somebody who definitely needs their body to work and you're worried about the risk of hurting yourself. Because if you're somebody who works with their hands or you're doing construction and you blow out your shoulder on a competition that you're paying to do, you've now kind of put yourself in a really bad spot because at this point now you can't work, you can't, you know, support yourself. You maybe you have a family, you can't support your family. Not a great thing, right? Especially if you're trying to compete all over the place, you know? It's like that's a trickier thing to do. So I think understanding the risks behind doing competition and also being fully prepared and taking it seriously uh will diminish that risk. But you have to understand there is a risk involved. And I saw somebody there. They they there was a match where somebody, you know, broke a competitor's arm and it was very clear to everybody it was going to happen. Guy's arm was completely extended, starting to invert and his opponent just didn't want to tap. He was trying to scramble out, arm snaps. And when I read the comments, people are upset mostly at the guy that broke the guy's arm, saying like, "Oh, like, why did you do that? You should have let go." Or, you know, and then when I see that point of view, it shows me that these are not people who took it seriously. These are hobbyists, right? And the problem is when you're a hobbyist and you compete against somebody who takes competition seriously, you're putting yourself in position to get hurt, right? Because somebody like me sees competition as life or death, I'm breaking things, you know. And the the way I tell people is my job is to end this match as soon as possible, in the most efficient way possible. And if somewhere along the way that means breaking your arm, so be it. that means that might potentially end your life. So be it. If you're approaching me like, "Oh, you know, this is just a hobby and you know, if I catch a submission, I'm not going to really crank it." You're putting yourself at a huge disadvantage because maybe you catch me something that I berserk rage out of and then I end up catching you something and you expect me to go nice and then I snap your arm or something. So you have to understand that people have very different perspectives on the lengths they will go to to win in competition. And the reality is you can't know what the other guy the type of energy he's bringing. So if you're bringing in like hobbyist energy against Stone Cold Killer, you're going to have a rough time. And the last thing I I would want to see is like somebody who is a hobbyist that ends up getting hurt because they had the hobbyist mindset. And in my view, and when I counsel people, it's like when you even when I'm counseling people who I would consider hobbyists, I'm telling them, you go for the kill. Now, I say this, you might look at me, Dave, you're crazy, dude. Like, what are you talking about? I've never heard anybody in competition. Everybody tapped. And I'm not sure it's because they were all responsible or because the intent that I bring is felt. So when submission solid, people tap. I don't know. But I've never hurt somebody. And mind you, I do a lot of heel hooks and leg locks. So you would have thought at a certain point I would have blown out someone's knee, but never happened. I I don't think I've even ever so much as popped somebody's knee. So, I don't know what to tell you. I I And mind you, I'm not uh somebody that's looking to hurt people. Like, I don't go into a competition thinking I want to kill that guy. I want to break that guy's arm. None of it. I just want to win and I be efficient and I'll use whatever tools I have that are legally allowed to do so. Um, so you might be on the other side of this, but you need to understand that there are a lot of people like me, especially the ones that take it seriously. The more serious you take it, the the more cutthroat you're going to tend to be as far as, and I'm not saying cutthroat in a like cheating way. I'm saying cutthroat like I'll cut your throat if that's allowed and [laughter] and that's going to get me to win. uh because I take competition extremely seriously in combat sports, right? So, uh I think that's important to understand because otherwise you're setting yourself up for a fall and potentially to get hurt. Now, if you are competing in some type of circuit where it's amateurs only and everybody, you know, all them and everybody has the same vibe, then I guess it won't matter. But I don't think that's normally the case. You're going into a tournament, you're going against a bunch of people you've probably never met before. There's no way you can know their intent, what they're going to do, you know, how far they're willing to take it. Because you might be on either side of this. You might be on the side getting caught or you might be on the side of getting or catching it. And now for you, maybe you feel like it's not worth it to break someone's arm to win a medal. But for them, it is. And when you let them go now, they might come back to get you. and break your arm. And if that happens, how are you going to feel about this? Now, granted, you could tap early, so you might not get your arm broken, but you might end up losing. And if you don't care about that and you're that uh I would say you're that generous that you rather that someone tapped you out versus you potentially break their arm. That's very nice. I mean, I don't know what to say about that. That's very generous of you. But I don't think you're getting what competition is about and combat sports. To me, it's a simulation of a fight to the death. And I see that for all competition to be honest. like people I when I played I remember I was already fighting and grappling and I was in college and I was invited to play like it was a flag football thing of all things and I didn't take it seriously until I saw one of my teammates get checked pretty hard and then it became extremely serious and pretty tense because I was it was flag football and I was running people over stiff arming them and uh got pretty physical even for flag football. Uh so to me once the contact gets pretty physical, I'm taking it very seriously. So I know most of the prolevel guys that I train with see it the same way. And that's like what I you've heard me talk about this before, like the warrior mindset. That's what it is. It's like I'm playing chess. I'm imagining this is a life or death game. Now, I can't physically attack you, but I'm the stakes to me are high. I'm not going to like just surrender uh or, you know, abdicate. I'll play the game until it's better end because you might make a mistake and that's all I need to win. Right? So, it doesn't matter if it's chess, checkers, basketball, football, MMA. I'm playing until there's no moves left. I'm not the guy on football that, you know, they take the knee and then they just let the time clock out. No, I'm going to play as much as I can. It could be 100 to one and I'm still going to try to win like I have a chance. Uh, I think that's something also that I like about combat sports. It's never impossible to win, right? Like in football, it could literally be impossible to win, right? If it's a 100 points to zero and there's one minute left, you physically cannot win the game. There's not enough time that by the time you, you know, there's a kickoff and even though they they fumble it, like you just don't have enough time to score that many points. So, the game's essentially over. In MMA or grappling, wrestling, it's never over until it's over. In wrestling, I pin you. It could take two seconds, the match is over, right? Grappling, the submission ends it. Fighting, submission, knockout ends it. So, I I like that because it encourages constant action. There's never, if you're a true warrior, the match never ends until the time runs out, right? You can always come back. There's no You can always redeem yourself. So, I find that very enjoyable. And in many ways, chess is similar. You know, you could always win a chess game. You could be really under uh on points as far as not having as many pieces, but you just need to use the pieces you have and you can score a checkmate or even a draw in certain cases. So, uh I like games like that where there's always a way to win even when you've been losing most of the game. But I emphasize this just because I know a lot of the people that follow this website tend to be older and a lot of you guys are still competing. I get posts and videos from some of you and I do want to be sure that you understand that the mindset's important and in my opinion you have to have the mindset of a warrior if you want to have the best odds of winning and also of not uh putting yourself in peril there. Now I was talking about from the submission side you you have to understand there is a little uh difference in in motivation if you have a warrior mindset. Yes you may be ready to break somebody but now are you ready to be broken? Because part of that warrior mind mindset usually works the other way which is like I told you I've had my leg famously broken in competition. Uh I've been choked unconscious. I was clearly shown I'm I'm ready to die there. And uh if you're a hobbyist, you you would probably be a [laughter] to allow yourself to die in a competition or like I said in many cases allow your arm to be broken. So you do have to understand that and I I would encourage people like you tap if you feel that you're going to get hurt. Uh on an amateur level, there is no need to get hurt. I think most amateurs, if you had put them in a situation where you have a strong submission, they're probably going to tap. Now, I know some people don't because I've seen the clips. I think those people a little full hearty and unfortunately they all learned the hard way. But if you're a smart amateur competitor, I would advise you tap if you're going to get hurt. You do not want to get your arm broken. You do not want to get your your leg broken. Getting choked out is not the worst thing, but it's not great either. You shouldn't be allowing yourself to get choked unconscious. If you know your your goose is cooked, just tap. And I'm not acting like I've never tapped. I have tapped. When I knew I was done, I tapped. And this is even, like I said, warrior mindset because if it's a checkmate, there's the fight's over already. And I've had that a couple times. Uh mostly rear naked chokes. D both hands in. My vision's fading. The last thing I'm doing is I'm tapping. Uh the the time that I didn't tap, I never thought about it because I was so focused on escaping that it never even occurred to me to tap. So I was still fighting it until my last breath, literally. On the leg break, same thing. I was fighting it the whole time. When the leg broke, I yelled out and they stopped it there. Thank God because I technically didn't tap there either. Uh but same thing I was working for a way out. Like for me it wasn't an option in my tool set at that point. With the other ones where I did tap, which were all reneokes, there was more time in them and I was in a more indefensible position. I just didn't have anywhere to go. So it was very obvious that I was I was screwed. Uh but as an amateur tap don't you again it's different when you're a professional because that's a career in all these cases these world championships so obviously it was the most important thing at the time to be able to meddle and win. So I was I already knew I was willing to let things break. I was willing to even die. So that's how high the stakes are. When you're an amateur, it's definitely not worth dying for. It's definitely not worth getting your arm broken for. It It's meaningless. It's just a challenge for yourself. It's just something to have fun with. So, you don't need to take it that seriously as far as allowing yourself to get damaged. But I think from the offensive side, you still going for breaks. The other guy should be smart enough to know like, yeah, it's over. I tapped, right? It's when you two people meet where one is like, I'm ready to break. And the other guys, I'm ready to be broken. Obviously, that's where something gets broken. But as a guy that breaks somebody, I shouldn't feel guilty about it because it's not my job to stop the match for him. That's his job and the referee as well. So, uh, I wouldn't feel guilty about it at all. It's unfortunate. Like, I wouldn't be like happy about it. Like, oh man, I just, you know, broke a guy's arm. I'm like, kind of happens, you know, and like he could have stopped it if he wanted to. And unfortunately, sometimes you have to learn the hard way. I mean, it's happened to me. And with a with a pal Harris thing, I wasn't mad at him for breaking my leg. I was mad at him because uh on the first when we rolled out of bounds, the referee had stopped the match when he actually popped my knee. So, I was upset because he it was cheating. The the match was stopped and then he cranked it. But what happened once they restarted us, that was just I was just screwed. Of course, he was going to go for the break. I had no and again there was an option in my mind uh to tap. So yeah, I think it's perfectly valid, right? If you I believe the amateur should be on when you're on the attack going for breaks, going for kills on the defense, tap before you get hurt. Don't let yourself get hurt in an amateur competition. It's counterproductive. Okay. In pro level, it's the athletes call, right? And again, it might also just depend on the stakes and the situation. If you're, you know, in an event that's pro, but it's not consequential, and first 20 seconds of the match, you're caught in a crazy heel hook, and there's no way out. It's like, doesn't make sense to blow your knee out there. Now, you change the context. It's the finals of ADCC. You're winning by four points. There's 10 seconds left in the clock. Now, it's a different story. Now, you might let your knee blow out and, you know, limp out of there with the gold medal, right? That's a that's a judgment call, right? And that's something only the athlete could make. But there are smart calls and then there's dumb calls, right? At least well, smart and dumb to my perspective. Uh, let's put it more plainly. There's some that you could justify and some that you can't, right? Like the guy that's losing 30 to zero gets caught on the arm bar and and is refusing to tap. [sighs] Yeah, it's hard to justify that one, right? But in the other situation, you're winning 30 to zero. 10 seconds left, you get caught in the armbar. You can justify that. Like, yeah, I ate it because, you know, at the end of it was a $100,000 prize and a gold medal and my reputation, right? Jackare had one of Mundial's like that against Roger Gracie. Got his arm broken, ate it, and then ended up winning the match, you know, won his Mials. Pretty epic way of doing it. And that wasn't even for pay. That was just fame, mind you, and getting a win over Roger. So, uh, it really just depends on the context there. But again, that's prolevel amateur, don't get hurt, right? I I think that that's an easy way. And if everybody had that mindset, guess what? No one's getting hurt. Cuz even if you're going 100 miles an hour on a submission, everyone else is tapping before it happens. Everyone stays safe, learns a good time, and I think importantly from the self-defense mindset, you are learning how to go for kills, which is important because when you're in the street, there's no tapping. You need to end stop the threat as quickly as possible. And if you're used to not finishing people or letting things go, you're going to have some problems, right? Like if you're in a self-defense situation, you need you need to be able to break people, right? Because you need to do whatever you need to do to stop the threat. Whether that means, you know, breaking someone's arm, you know, knocking them out, you know, slamming their head into a wall, like whatever it takes to stop the threat, that's what you got to be able to do. But you don't develop that killer instinct without training it and without actually doing it. And competition is the closest that we can get to that type of experience. So I think that you should exercise that as a result. But just being on the other side of it, don't allow yourself to get hurt as an amateur. That's my take on it. Anyways, uh you guys are free to disagree with me and if you want, chime in in comments. uh greatly appreciate that and uh I can admit I could be humbled, I could be wrong. You you might have a different perspective. I just haven't seen the counterargument yet that has persuaded me, right? Uh again, training is a very different story. Training you don't get hurt. You know, training you tap. Uh you know, getting hurt in training is is beyond right? It's just the total opposite what you're supposed to be doing. You shouldn't care about tapping in training. Uh, now I say that and of course I've been hurt in training more than I have in competition. And a lot of them is just being a knucklehead when I was younger. Some of it is just bad luck. You know, that's going to happen sometimes. You zig zigzag. And I know one of them is just bad luck. Uh, I had my brother in turtle. I went for that Hanzo Gracie arm bar and when I rolled for the arm bar, I just landed right on top of my AC joint. Boom, instant separation. Not much I can do about that. It was just a bad fall, you know, uh, from a very short distance, too, which is kind of weird because where I was on the ground, so I felt like maybe a foot and a half when I when I went to roll and that's all it took. So, sometimes there's bad luck uh that you can't really avoid. But when there's submissions that you can't avoid, you should definitely tap, not get hurt, right? We want to be as healthy as possible in training so we can train more. The more that we can train, the the more we can build our skills. When you get hurt, you can't train. Now you're losing time. And as you will learn, time is limited. So you need as much time as you can if you're trying to build yourself to the best that you can be. But in training, we do have to sometimes push the threshold as far as like developing toughness because if you're used to tapping immediately all the time, you probably won't have late stage escapes, right? Like what happens? How do I escape when my arm's fully extended? Again, as a professional, you need to know that from a self-defense standpoint. You might need to know that, too. This is when having a good training partner and doing simulations of this can help you. Right? If you have a training partner and you specifically say, "Hey, look, I want to work on my latest stage submission escapes. Don't crank my arm. Allow me to work out, right? Just keep me stuck there." Now, you can do it safely, right? you don't have to worry about somebody breaking your arm because they're going 100% while you're trying to experiment with escapes. So, you could work on late stage escapes without rolling the dice, right? Um, and sometimes this is also good when you're going against people who you're much bigger than or you're much stronger than that, you could kind of muscle your way out of a lot of things because it'll give you a lot more breathing room. Right? If I'm going with somebody who's like 130 lbs, I could probably curl them out of an arm bar. So like I can Okay, I can let you work there and work a late stage escape maybe. So just some thoughts on that as well. We can't really drill the breaking of somebody's arm draining, right? Uh, unless you have one of those AI bots that are rolling around now or the grappling dummies, that would probably be your best way of working explosive uh breaks or submissions going 100% full force. I think that's a useful tool because let me tell you, it is a very different mechanic breaking a joint when you're used to controlling like this with this controlled fall versus the boom explosive pop from the hips, big back row. It's a very different thing, right? Uh, and if you've never done it explosively, you might not know how to do it. And you might go into an arm bar just like going slow. It's a lot harder to finish. When you explode into a submission, it's a lot easier to finish. Obviously, like I said, you can't explode on training partners. So, if you had a grappling dummy, that would be a good tool. Um, you know, you have some people using the baseball bats and stuff, but I think a grappling dummy would be great. I know some of them are pretty pricey, but I think at least the cheaper ones, cheaper ones, excuse me, uh, can probably be of some use there. I know that I've seen the AI bot one in the UFC uh, PI and I've used it a couple times. It does have a realistic feel uh, with the Kimoras. feels just like how it is to do it on a person. So, there is some value to that and being able to work on explosive rips and breaks versus just a very gradual finish. Anyhow, that's all I have for you guys for this episode and I'll catch you next week.