BTG 18 - Fortunes, Social Media and Confidence

[Music] hey what's going on everyone I'm Robert Drysdale a good friend here David Avalon this is episode 18 of breaking the guard Dave how are you doing doing pretty good you know getting settled into a new house man like in this I've been walking a little place like today's eight twelve thousand steps just going up and down it's like seven eight miles but uh I like to take knowledge just keeping track of everything you're doing the other day I check my phone only than this once and I'm never gonna do it again by they how much screen time I have on my phone hmm it was like I don't know if it's an average or life it's just like you know I'm just happy to be like a very high day but you had six hours and I guarantee like 90 but it just work on some there's some funny no you texted errands and you're like every not seen your friends a funny video or whatever you know but you have a flute you'd like someone sends me like you know video of them rolling like you know I don't have to watch it but it's kind of like the nice thing they're signed up watching it I reply I'll work on this or do that you know but it consumes your time man like saying you know yeah yeah this I mean it's crazy because growing up without a phone and then you get the phone it's it's ever I imagine kids now just being hooked on those things you know and I've seen it all the time like with my brothers kids like yes to put curfews and now they have apps that limit the time so it shuts off and they yeah I gotta look into that you gotta be careful what your kids are watching too because next thing you know they're watching content that's not very appropriate yeah you just gotta be careful there yeah to me I look at the area as a very scary place a lot of things you you can't unsee something you know you don't want them seeing the wrong things and getting him bad impressions right away yeah it's uh it's it's it's beautiful there's all these you know advantages but at the same time you gotta be careful I mean we had a pretty awesome was it last weekend pretty big event arguably the biggest payout in the history of yes so I can't think of anyone bigger really think that was a record $200,000 giving away by spider yeah it was an event in South Korea and some big-name some you know best rappers in the world were there and they they put up two hundred thousand dollars in prize money that's incredible yeah and it wasn't like they spread out across like ten divisions there was two divisions so it was 200k payouts so as a single payout and grappling I don't think there's ever been one close to that in total I mean maybe DCC comes close to that I'm not sure after the math because yeah because eighties you see you got five male divisions and two females they're paying out a 10k for each male division and then 40k for the absolute so I don't even think a TCC gets up to Tony okay yeah yeah I don't think so and you know they have the pockets so for Spyder be doing this it's interesting because it seems to me their clothing brand only been smaller than y'all brothers for a while I'm wondering what's their what's their ultimate goal with the BJJ market if it's just like really expanded in Asia perhaps because you don't see them a lot in North America I happen to have some of their underwear I think that you don't see their their gear I mean it's not it's not an American brand it's yeah it's in super popular here so I wonder how it's doing over there or if it might be the BJJ is far more popular in Asia than we're giving it credit for Dave that's totally possible right we have all these you know all these gyms popping out all over the place and you know we're still in that little you know Brazil US bubble and you know we're ignoring what's going on in Africa and Asia and like Asia's like you know Asia itself is like two-thirds of the world populations you know there's definitely a lot of potential there might be looking at that we know that one if she's been doing really well in Asia and that's their market yeah and we don't we know they have plans of expanding the US but they've been doing really well in Asia and I really think that in the future you know people will who speak Mandarin and Indian we're probably doing better in business in general as those markets grow yes their economy grows our buying power grows yeah so I think spider might be a manifestation of something much bigger you know I think that the West is gonna be looking more or the East for big events and big shows because they have an audience that we can't even come close to yeah you know it's I know those Southeast Asian economies have been rising relative to the area there so if because I know the US is always the number one pay-per-view market and generally can different stuff like for example DVDs and online courses it's harder to sell over there versus here but if their economy picks up enough where it starts to catch up where now they can shell out the same amount of money that we are over here then those numbers are gonna add up really fast yeah you know because we're dealing with around 400 million in the US and are we at 400 million I was gonna say 300 something somewhere between three and four you know versus over there like just in what and like what yeah so it's crazy yeah but I know like in India is really still backwards it's very very underdeveloped but like I think I mean if I can't spend on India like and we know that China is like it's they've been you know they're gonna outdo the u.s. the American economy just a matter of time it's just we didn't know that you know the next few years is gonna happen the question is what shape are these how much is that gonna shape the way you know not not only just martial arts but the world in general because a once they have more buying power it's like a shift of of power you know and since were like their events will be more seen and then one is a manifestation of that spider might be another and then on a global level there's a lot more than just martial arts obviously so be interesting to see what happened to technology companies I know that it's a hue hue like their phones why why I think they're illegal here flights out I'm not sure there is some weird but because I believe the government of China controls why yeah so there was a national security issue we're having them over here and selling those phones that they can tap into the forest well it's the same thing with like an apple and Google they really share information with the government it's not like they do that like Facebook so it's almost like each country has its own you know favorite technology but it's interesting because I mean Europe there are very popular phones if you go to Europe and Brazil to you see the Chinese phones everywhere people love them so I know I wouldn't know like apparently to good-quality phones but is interesting how these things play out in the future yeah you know the as far as martial arts is concerned I welcome the competition and I think as we've talked about this already to death but UFC monopoly really hurts a lot of bidding you knows but if we had good competitors when one FC is definitely a strong competitor but if it's able to continue to rise and then you got especially for jiu-jitsu you just said what we talked about this - there's a lot of organizations now they're starting to pay out more but now we see people paying a 100k over there like your vows can feel like dama I'll put on gear right now you know you know it's like we're cuz we kind of stopped right around the same time and I'm wondering like you know if we were due to the right time or at the wrong time because you can always argue that you know now it's it's even though they're getting paid a lot more I mean how many of these guys will be able to do what we did in the sense were you know like well you've established Network I've established a network and I don't I think it's gonna be afforded more difficult to future people to do this because the sport kind of has its own like weird you just seem like we found I found it you just a team with kavacha Zenith it's difficult to do something like that now it's getting harder and harder because if you start something from scratch it's very difficult to get that those first 4050 you know yeah it's not an easy it sound like building a school when the when the market in their City is saturated right and BJJ I wonder if it's is saturated or not because I'll forgiving in Las Vegas open a new gym every six months in Vegas probably more than that and like places in California it's the same thing if you type in BJJ in Los Angeles it's you know schools everywhere now huge population on a growing population but I'm wondering when it caps off or if it does you know if it's gonna happen what happens to other sports where there is like a ceiling of how much you know how many people can actually be in the sport without it being you know without what well being like a profitable business for everyone who's involved yeah you know I think there's still room for us to grow I know the level of talent has obviously gone up Agnetha contrite so there's definitely more competition for school because you have high low talent although I play there back in the day you could be a blue belt and open up the school yeah in certain areas you know like even in Mike even in Miami yeah I mean I was a zero belt they opened up my school you know and I knew another guy who was a blue belt he was really more advanced but he just had nobody grading him so he was just stuck at the last grade he had which was blue but nowadays that would be really hard to fly yeah and it's the you just taught touch on something I've given this a lot of thought regarding the the talent because I think that you know first off they're they're more competitors yeah I remember like for you to win a World Championship is the purple belt like five matches that was it you know now it's at least six right which means the number of competitors doubled yeah you think one extra match no that means double the number of competitors right so if you're at seven it's double what it was at six yeah you gotta keep because like you know every time every round like 50% of the people in division or out division so if you have seven fights to win a tournament you have like a hundred fifty people in your bracket you know yeah right so it's much more competitive in the sense work you have a lot more people as far as information goes I feel that it is a lot more it has gone technically it's gone up like a lot yes there's there's no doubt about that I do think this is to me this is an interesting topic though because I feel that there's there's always a discussion between old and new right and there's no doubt that there have been improvements we got to be careful for this conversation one because many things that are considered to be older very efficient right because a new school would go their argument would be you know oh that is old what is new is better that's what I do I'm gonna stick to what's new right and then you get the old-school guys you go like all no basics are more important and yada yada yada and I've always like I've always been because I used to be on the new-school side of things when I was considered we knew the school a long time ago you know but like what's saying you see things from a different perspective I think I found like a middle ground and the what I would call the middle ground here Dave is you know you you have a lot of techniques that are called fundamentals and Asics their the vast majority of what you know high-level competitors do today but they don't stand out right because they're just you see ever to make a choke you don't call it old-school you just call it row naked choke yeah but it's technically they're old-school mood like the vast majority or even guys with highly sophisticated jujitsu you know like if you pay attention the vast majority what they're doing is actually basic there are basic things but it doesn't stand out into the Highland no one notices them so they fly under the radar whereas whatever they do that is new and part of innovation that you know draws a lot of attention so people are the impression that is a whole story so my middle ground has always been I don't care how old it is or how new the only thing that matters is does it work yes and that's what people should be focused on not whether digit so that was practice in the 1980s is better than jiu-jitsu that's practiced today which is of course the ludicrous but that's not really the point of the discussion of point is discussion is what are the most efficient techniques and like once we find those that should be your roadmap right there yeah you know I like you know my story like I came up essentially Ronen you know which I was just learning from wherever I could so I've always adopted that and I actually before I got into MMA I did it like a year and a half G kundo and you read the tap chicken dough and when I thought I was like a Bible you know Bruce Lee oh but it was always adopt everything that works so I've always kept that all the way through so I remember I would just learn anything now I would try anything out at work I've had students come up to me goes hey I learned this move playing a Japanese progressing video game I'm like all right show me Jamie a mantequilla we even named the move after him we call him at the gear and it worked I took down a d1 college wrestler using it you know it's just like I forgot what they call it was some weird name and pro wrestling it's like dragging spinning something or other you know but it's like you're on a head inside single leg and you sent you just drop and spin underneath the leg and it causes they got a rush I think I've seen it yeah it works really well you know but I mean that's the point like I would do anything as long as it were I don't care where it comes from you know like especially back in the day people did care where it came from ya know and there's like the style of it mattered whereas yeah I never cared about like Oh who's like in UFC like who's the G Kondo fighter who's a wrestler like know who's the best fighter yeah that's the guy I want to be you know so I think with the old-school new-school yeah it's kind of a silly arguments is whatever is working let's keep doing that you know but I think that always changes because you might have a set of techniques that work great now and then some new technique comes out and or some new approach comes out and that kind of makes this not work as well anymore now is it okay now we have to branch off or maybe just start doing this now so I think that's what's interesting but for the most part I think did you did so now is very similar to the judges so as it was when I was competing there's some more like it's it's there are more similarities and differences and I think that's what we can't lose track of I do think that there's an attitude issue that has to do with people that are old-school they're very stubborn and like admitting that the sport has evolved like I have friends of mine black belts that are adamant about like they've got convinced that jiu-jitsu in Brazil in the 1980s was better than it is now and they think that if you put competitors in the 1980s early 90s into a time machine how to compete with bush Asia like you know where she would lose them like that's I don't even know how to reply to that well it sounds insane to me you know but people like that are it's almost like borderline religious right like that we really really believe it you can't convince them otherwise so you have stubbornness on one end right not admitting you know the changes in the evolution of the sport on the other end you have variance because you have a lot of young kids I kind of pat himself on the back and like yeah yeah yeah like it's like that kind of you know driving over a bridge and bragging about the fact that you created the arch you know you didn't create the arch the bridge was there you're just driving over it yeah you know I'm saying the true genius is a guy who came before you and thought of you know what an arch and you get a cornerstone here and you actually have this beautiful structure boom that's the guy who deserves credit that wasn't you you know but I think it's interesting to see like a lot of like blue belt how much credit they give themselves over something I didn't do you know and I see that a lot and I was like are the contrast like the stubborn old man with like the arrogant 20 year old you know and like they're both you know extremists but you know there's someone truth normally normally lie somewhere in the middle that's not the case with every controversial situation the earth is not half flat half round that's not the case right sometimes like one side is just absolutely incorrect and there's no discussion are you telling me there isn't a turtle holding up the earth you know um that's pretty crazy there's just [ __ ] the people believe in man I blows my mind Oh sometimes I feel like we're going backwards like sometimes like you know the world's progressing in you know we had our iPhones that's alien technology right there and it's an incredible piece of technology and then sometimes I Kyle issen the stuff that people believe in and kind of like are we progressing when you giving back the middle the Middle Ages in some ways like you know it's it's the world is getting crazier as we go really technology made it easier in one ways but like really people made more be more ignorant always and no they just trying to revolt or something that like people who do the Flat Earth arguments it's like oh my god like the what the flat earth flat earth thing yeah I always thought was just a joke and then that you see some people like adamant okay I still wonder if it's actually this is what I think it is we're talking about it right now right yeah so it's working right it's a way of drawing attention you can say something outlandish and if you stick to it it's just a way of marketing yourself because I have a hard time believing an adult in the 21st century truly believes that I don't think anyone's that ignorant towards like you know astronomy and physics like you know it my daughter knows this and it's not controversial a scientific community just think about how many scientists you would have to convince to get on board with something like that right it's just not just that anybody who's traveled I can easily tell I mean otherwise how do you explain like how satellites work or you know how planes are circumnavigating or even how you know it just seems that you have to make a giant leap of faith multiple leaps of faith and lots of conspiracy in order for this to work whereas the reality that were presented with now makes a lot of sense not to say that there's not something wrong with it you could be skeptical but I can't see any logic to the Flat Earth argument no and anything about you know a lot of conspiracy theories is you know conspiracy theories are efficient and they work and they can't be true in my opinion when they have very few people involved right like the FBI's nightmare scenario is a Unabomber why is the Unabomber so terrifying for like the only the NSA or an FBI because he works alone yeah who did you communicate with oh it's not like that guy scary right but if you have you know a group of like 300 people involved in an operation what are the lot that the odds of something leaking or someone's spilling the beans or a communication being caught or something going wrong because you have so many moving parts anyone who runs a business or deals with multiple people knows perfectly well what I'm talking the odds of of something going wrong increase exponentially as the group gross right it gets more difficult to coordinate things so when you're talking about something like the man not landing on the moon or 9/11 or you're talking about flat earth you're talking about these conspiracies like you have any idea how many people it would take to plant bombs all across the World Trade Center like every single floor like like dynamite like how long that would take how many people you have to that cleaning people involved it's not something you do in ten minutes Dave I suppose right weeks every floor both buildings you would have to get every cleaning person every staff member on board with a conspiracy like it's it's virtually impossible I get can't even like if if a bomb is someone will believe something like that but you know and then as soon as they find the one thing that people can't explain haha that becomes a whole story right yeah so I mean but I think it's it to meets like almost like funny it's like entertaining conversation like we're having now but I think deep down people either haven't given enough thought or it just makes them stand out so we have stand-up it was trying to stand out in some way we're living in the world where if he's right you become bored very quickly right for you to get 30 seconds of someone's attention on Instagram you have to do crazy stuff yeah so that is like you're constantly fighting for people's attention there's a category of in psychology I think it's called attention engineers or attention engineering mmm-hmm like how to catch people's attention engineer that towards you know font size color size when it read like you know hunger like so people like Carl these like they're looking for these like little glitches in the human mind like how can we better capture your attention so everyone's always fighting for you know other people's attention when we can't find that then you know being outlandish and you know obnoxious is the way of getting the attention so I think that explains why flatter there's our call as ice it's almost like they have their own little niche now because the people can't stop talking about it like we're talking to getting the attention that they're craving right we're in an attention hungry Society yeah and I think what's kind of danger about there's a lot of it some people actually buy into it you know we had mentioned yeah I think you had mentioned to me a couple episodes about the GameChanger who thing yeah third thing and then Ashley I was listening to a podcast I was dissecting it and it was like a lot of BS that they were trying to push into as a documentary which was really just like a fiction movie yeah like they were talking about where was it well they were using examples of for example like carbon emissions or whatnot and they're saying that cattle production uses this amount and if they went vegan and you started just going off grains and whatnot it would lower it and the reality is the opposite that if you're the amount of co2 that's being produced when you're doing and I see their carbon emissions are being produced when you're doing mass industrial crops like mono crops is huge more than cows more than cows per calorie because any measure per calorie calorie how many calories do you get out of this amount of you know carbon monoxide or whatever right right and there's always like methane because they fart so much yeah and then the and there's another problem that I guess they said wasn't an address which was a soil and like the way that we do our crops our farming is depleting all this well I guess they said there was an estimate of 60 crops left like 60 yields yeah left before the soils completely spent and the only way they replaced as would they they had this process called holistic regenerative farming of 1f which involves cycling animals so you have cows and you have chickens and then you have and then you have another type of crop and all the each one we gives something back to the soil so that it regenerates yeah it's it's the cycle crop if there's a name for like that it might be what we call it there's they call it a holistic regenerative farming yeah because this is what happened like land it has like X amount of nutrients right let's say you grow the same crop over and over and over same kind of trees over and over over like a few decades so you know that soil is gonna be completely depleted from certainly no nutrients are fundamental for yeah that crop right so you have to cycle through so an intelligent farmer would like every season right he would plant his beans in a different place they planning his rice that is different from where the corn is and you're constantly rotating and that rotation is actually healthy for the soil yeah I noticed a mite in my hometown in Brazil a lot of he'll come with apocalyptic trees right really good for paper yeah no they grow very fast but as a result that's you know it's quick return on your on your investment but as a result the police's soil because it drains the soil so much out of water what happens after a few decades is that land becomes desert if you have a desert in the middle of green because there's nothing else will grow there because eucalyptus I just pulled out of that you sucked everything because they grow so fast right and it's you know it's almost like a debate were you know even though it's private property a to what extent does private you know property control the unified because you have impact in the environment now in the environment belongs to everyone you know so at some point it's like it's a question of where there should be some kind of accountability for crop rotation then right because you know you're actually impacting the lives of a lot of people not just of your own property it's interesting discussion I think the problems that we're going to be having in the future yeah you know I guess the the point of that what I was saying is that a lot of people are passing off you know propaganda as facts you know and yeah because I know a lot of people think that all like being vegan is like super healthy and all then it's not yeah it'd have to be really careful with how you do it you know and uh I'm not convinced by the way yeah I think meat is health I mean we eat too much meat if I think if I could change something my diet I would cut down the meat by half and I'd be fine probably healthier but to eliminate me completely from your diet I think it's I just can't see it being healthy I just don't see how yeah I mean we're on divorce there's no way around it and I think the ratio is varies from where you are and depending you know there's tribes I eat just pure meat all the time yeah you know like if you look at any weight or I fed there was an effort to tribe in Africa that as I called me and they they're fine oh yeah I I don't think there's a I can think of anything that is pure vegetable yeah anyway you know and there's a reason for that you know because it doesn't really work that way because they were using examples of like power lifters and their arse one guy that I forgot his name that he was a power lifter and he was a vegan yeah but when you look at his diet his diet mostly powder and he's like the protein shake all the proteins it because you where you going to get that amount of protein and unless you in peanut butter or so all day but even then like I guess the all proteins are not absorbed equally right you know and the way and you have all the other stuff and protein powders that we use you know you're not caring about leader what that but there's nothing called a bioavailability and like with meat and animal products like cheese and whatnot yeah that little bit is really high I think he gave a number like it was like one point three three four examples like red meat peanut butter is a point zero eight so even though you might have like 30 grams of protein from peanut butter it's not the same as getting 30 grams of steak you're not going to absorb this animal protein so you have to eat a huge amount of volume it's like you're saying they get the equivalent you've to eat like a third of a cup or something to get like three ounces of meat the amount of protein you get from three ounces of meat would be like a third of a cover from peanut butter no which is a hell and I love peanut butter yeah it's a lot of fat and stuff that you're getting in addition to it the protein you're trying to get and then you know asset profiles are all messed up so I don't think it works and like this guy that you're trying to say we're gonna be holistic and all that and be vegan but then most of your diets consider of protein powders because they have to mix up you know being a pea protein of rice protein and all this to get the right amino acid profile so it's like I don't know that doesn't sound like a good day you know no idea living like a pharmacist the lesson I took from that is I I do think I I'm trying to eat more greens I'm trying to become more vegan like trying to cut back on the meat a little bit every now and then / or tofu and some steak all right my burrito like I'll do things like that every now and then I'm trying to cut back a little bit but I will never stop guys this is not gonna happen I like it too I just wrote this there's a reason why bacon smells so good if you think about that broccoli doesn't smell that good does it you know it's it's been it's been programming for a factory assistants you like like things that are beneficial for survival bacon is one of them you know so there you go yeah I can't argue with nature I'm apologetically carnival you know I don't eat as much meat as they no no that's all to eat like I didn't want to touch carbs and vegetables it just all I want to eat was meat as a child growing up in Brazil so great it's like Brazil as I probably did this cheapest take in the world cuz there's so much cattle there mmm then it drops to the cost like poor people would stay Kimbra's almost every day it's not expensive like it is in the rest of the world so like yeah if you're in Brazil you're you're barbecuing every weekend and that's all you eat like if you eat a salad as a guy it's almost like bro that's for like it's kind of it's like if a guy walked through the group was afraid like no drinking beer and eating meat and you got a salad it's like judging you know like it's it's kind of what's gonna go through their heads yeah yeah of course so you know talking about fake news and I think they were living in that era it's it's funny because there's so much information in very few people have the time if fact-check like wikipedia is literally a source of knowledge for most people if they want to learn something they're not gonna bother reading the 400 page book which is still limited information you should get 50 books before you have like a you know a grounded opinion I suppose but I I know people don't realize a paean that yeah I got it right even though I do we use Wikipedia you got to be a little careful but we are living in the age of misinformation precisely because we're bombarded of information we don't have the time with the energy to filter through it right so we just believe anything that is convenient to a pre-existing belief we have a pre you see this in politics a lot you see this and I'm starting to see this in jiu-jitsu I wonder if you like if you think that that's something that is you know if you're seeing it as well I go okay every now and then I'll see a meme or also see someone say something and like that's not true but like you can see there's a lot of people sort of believe in it because it's it's almost like you know reality is being designed by by memes like I get into political arguments with people like my own yeah nope and like he'll singing meme as evidence like I might be making this up I'm not making this up we're gonna argument with him and I'll send him like a study on the World Bank or something and he fires back within a YouTube video or a meme and I'm like not the same argument I love you to death not the same you know but I feel like we're living that and Jujitsu a little bit too you know we're you know I've seen people like they were picking and choosing their facts and that it's not they're not being very analytical about how they interpret you know what is actually happening the sport would you agree with that with some to some extent or no oh for sure and I think a lot of the technology helps facilitate that because America all these social media companies are all trying to serve you ads data trying to make money so they want to serve you ads with things that you're gonna like and you know and that just adds they're gonna serve your content with the things that you're gonna like so it tends to create those echo chambers so echo chambers or thought bubbles art you're gonna keep seeing stuff that you're agree with you know so you don't get those dissenting a good point view points like when I look at my social media I see all the you know all the people I like and all the you know this the products I like and you know the advertisements are targeted and so I'm not seeing things outside of that you know so you you have to go out of your way to find new information right and you have to kind of google it or whatnot you know but the social media of things are going to essentially keep you in your bubble in your boat because they bring back they bring you what you they youth they think that you want to see do yeah the algorithm is designed to reinforce something that you know there's pre-existing yeah so there's I think I've mentioned this in one of the previous podcasts but I'll recommend it again is a book by a guy called Daniel Caine he's a he's a psychologist it's called think fast and thinks well and he's talking about all these like the glitches like the little poles in the human mind and one of them he has an acronym for it's a really long acronym but it goes like this all you see is all there is right and that's how the human mind works like reality is what we can see so there's something you can't see it is it we can't factor that we can't factor that possibility coremedia thought it takes a lot of critical thinking like for you there are a lot of skepticism for you to go but what about this what about that for you'd be able to you know try to understand things that you can't immediately see they're not immediately in front of you so going back the analytics and algorithms of social media what is presenting to us is a way of almost distorted reality but it is the reality that is being presented and like I mentioned most people don't have the time or energy to actually get a broader scope because we have become we become so knowledge but so many different topics or uh knowledge like lack of knowledge perhaps not knowledge but we we know so much about like so many different things that we only can know a little bit about a little bit like like very little small little compartmentalize kind of you know types of knowledge we can't really delve deep into one topic which is one reason why like I hated academics is because they go so deep into one thing like you're just history you're supposed to study you know what people were wearing and you know New Mexico from 1877-1878 and that's your specialty right and like I might even exactly know like specific and it's it's boring but like that is the correct way of approaching things you know because if you really want to get down well you have like really go deep into the rabbit hole understand things but people don't have the time for that so Wikipedia like reading the wiki Peters pushing it like most people aren't gonna read a Wikipedia and it's I'm telling you we keep he is very very unreliable oh no I know they at one point there I think they deleted my brother's Wikipedia what there was just somebody I guess didn't like my brother so he had you have to have I guess certain credentials in order to be listed as a celebrity like my brother is freaking coached to all these guys he's been in a TCC and you I don't know how it works me like they then have essentially the editors are just people like you want to be an editor you could become in you just start writing articles that's the problem if I clean democratize things to an extreme you make hey you mean now you made everyone an editor yeah and is everyone qualified as a question you know it's kinda like when people misunderstand like that we're not there Margaret direct democracy where Republic yeah where everybody is not supposed to have the voice wait everybody has the opportunity to elect someone to be the voice alright because otherwise it's gonna be crazy like nobody knows enough about government policies for everybody to make a direct decision and you know we're late a world and I think people would take the time to educate themselves but we're too busy being entertained especially this day and age man you ever try yeah I don't sit I don't watch much television but does it have like surfing I hope I have this and I have that oh wow this is really cool like I can see I can see why people get lost you know like you're bombarded with movies and TV series it all like it's too it's too convenient to just do that and get lost like even like a jujitsu man I think that some guys get lost more in the talks of jujitsu and talking about it actually training you know like you ever go on floor rabbits like tons of content there man you get lost in there with all those tournaments and interviews like there's a lot of releasing documentaries now next thing you know it was like I think people probably spend more time watching and talking about jujitsu they're actually training I wouldn't be surprised if that's like the case for most practitioners I mean you know if you're in nine-to-fiver you've been working a regular job you probably get coming to gym maybe a couple times a week but the rest of the time you're still immersing yourself reading and whatnot I wouldn't say that would be a bad thing but I could see how it would be weird if you're putting in ten hours but only putting in an hour physically yeah yeah yeah I get that impression man like even for myself I'm not gonna lie I'm I mean because I do this for a living maybe it's a little bit different I don't train nearly as much as I used to but like my day is like 24/7 and BJJ everything I do like almost having a conversation I have is you know around that like every now and then I'll you know we drift and over like it's it's too big part of my life like I feel like maybe I'm I'm like that I got cuz I don't train nearly as much as I used to yeah well I mean I'm still recovering from this silly wrist injury so I've been doing more weight training than anything you know I got a I you know you guys know Philippi Andrew he's training living with us and I was training with us and he's like few points away from being number one in the world and I be two different Kings I think he's like a few points behind Boucher showing the Hulk so he's number three right which is pretty impressive yeah so I'm basically the lighter than me and I'm training with famine I'm gonna do my best to keep up because it's so fast and he's like always a step ahead of me and you know it's it's hard because like I wanna I want to push myself to be competitive and give him a good role and all that but it's it's the point where if I go to war with them like the next day I'm useless yeah it's almost like do I want to train every day kind of like I only get like three rounds in or do I want to have like around with these animals like four or five rounds with these guys in the next day I have to take off because like my wrist hurts and you know my back starts Verde and you're just tired like the recovery is a lot slower and it sucks because I really wish I could push you know like my mind and heart or ready to push like my body's saying no Maura yeah you know the minute it has to recovery so much slower like this thing with my hand I would thought would be done mine that's like a month and it's so there you know I was like drilling something I was fixing something in my house and then my wrist is now all jacked up from them like Jesus well I get some I we say this whole time it's mentally healthy right it's just kept me you just get me safe through some of the hardest moments in my life and it's always been there for me you know and it never ceases from being a teacher that's one thing I love about it is that it's always teaching me something about myself I didn't know yeah because the beauty of digits that it's very real in the sense where you can't talk your way out of something like everything is very real and very you know it's a ShowMe kind of are like okay you've you're better than me okay show me like it's very hands-on like that and it's it really is constantly cuz it's a very competitive - his constantly confronted you with reality you can't I think a lot of people they live shelter themselves in reality Laden digits is constantly you know exposing you to reality not just in in terms of training but in terms of coaching - in terms of running a business like all these little things that I'm doing now and if you for example if you have you know if your students do really well yeah the chance there's a good chance you have a lot of talented students but if you see someone who consistently has good students right it says something about their coaching yes you can't argue with that like it's okay clearly there's something going on here this guy consistently has good students granted a lot of you know a lot of times good students will switch to that gym so it's like a snowball effect right so they're they're they're migrating from other people who actually train them to you know bigger gym yes no one but like it you can't argue with reality that's my point right so it is a way of teaching us about us you know there's something you're doing wrong reality is gonna kick you in the teeth until you accept it and change what's wrong right so it's a it's a tool for improvement and on so many different fronts in my life like learning how to deal with people you know I I've improved a lot in that regard you know I'm still hard to deal with a lot of ways I know this but it was it was a lot worse before I'm getting better you know but actually I learned this in the gym like you know hey it's almost like every lesson I know in life has been learned through digits of time for sure I mean for me the martial arts essentially is responsible for making me the man I am today and I feel like the first true venture into it was with wrestling yeah I went from a kid that was overweight I was like five seven two hundred pounds oh geez yeah and like 40 ton pictures I should have some pictures yeah that was a big fat kid and things that he was just talking to somebody there at somebody who's gonna do some work in my house and he said well do you speak Spanish I'm like yeah but I always try to hear I try to speak English really I'm a better English speaker and then he got into like a side conversation because I'm like oh you know when I was younger I was I had speech therapy because I couldn't speak well and then I guess I was very self-conscious about speaking Spanish because it was they all like jumbled up so I never spoke Spanish it was a big fat kid so it didn't help and then this guy just got goose bumps of other place and I'm like what's going on he's like all my son it's like in me he's back a kid by now like what do I do he has no friends you know he's overweight and he just feels very unconfident himself so of course my bias was doing martial arts yeah I know that I was that same kid you know I never had many friends except my brother my brother is a one guy that always been a friend with him that's a given yeah but you was worried because I guess he was trying to pressure his son too much to make friends at heel heel toe suits go go I'll make friends I'm like no you're doing it wrong because yeah it's gonna come out like needy and then especially with other kids it's gonna feel weird you're like so yeah it's gotta be natural yeah I think exactly's gotta be organic you know like find something that he likes to do whether because he's all my son's to our weight training like perfect get them let them go nuts into weight training because I think as a young man you need to do something with your hands something physical especially if you're overweight you want to get some confidence in your body you know but putting in though at that time into the gym for him and starting to see results you sort of start giving him confidence he'll start to carry himself a little differently and he's gonna meet people there eventually you're gonna bump into people in the gym you know say something and you organically become a friend you know but I I always I was telling him if you can see we could do the martial arts because I told him kind of Roberts gym all right thank you because it teaches so much more than just a physical ability yeah like you said there's all these virtues that get passed and there and they're passed invisibly right this it's not like you know you're saying hear it because like I asked me how do you teach confidence I'm like well you can't just tell him to read the book and you'll get it it doesn't work that way right I can't say be confident doesn't work let's go to Tony Robbins seminar you have to earn the confidence yeah confidence is earned generally by seeing results you gotta put hard work in and get a return and you know so if he's lifting weights tell him to write a log yeah alright so he can track ok today I did a hundred pounds next week I did 110 hey I'm moving up and then if you started you know looking and seeing differences in your body that's gonna help you to you know and you just sue you see it easily when you you get a tap right you you beat somebody that's an easy pat in the back measuring right you can measure that or you don't get destroyed by somebody you know you survive destroys yeah so it's very easy to measure the improvements and I think there's just that with the martial arts as well since you are doing you other people it's a good bonding activity right because any time or any team sport for that matter any time you do an activity that's shared sweat and toil there's a bonding that goes on it's just like I think I primitive thing it's you create trust or somebody you know like it would be work with somebody you become friends with them naturally yeah and you got to really try hard not to be friends with somebody you you work with eight hours a day you know so that's why everybody in the gym becomes buddies right because you're training together you're sweating you know and you're working hard there's a level of trust that you have to trust that guide not to hurt you you're not gonna find like people like they have issues we all do right like confidence is one you know I get all this all the time as a gym owner over you know that walks in my I want my son to be more confidence a very common theme it's interesting because I think a lot of people are looking for a shortcut or it's a magical pill or a technique or just and it's almost like anything that you suck at in life there's only one way to get better at it is doing it yeah you know and I think deep now people know this answer but like because we know it's gonna be a long road we're looking for shortcuts and I always try to approach you know development in a different way like don't look at the outcome at the end result look at fall in love with the journey because then it's easy to achieve your goal right going I was very insecure as a child I picked on a ton I had to fight like all the time in Brazil but like it was like it wasn't the fact that oh I want to overcome this that's why I go to the gym like I like going to the gym oh I'm overcoming something oh cool it was almost like the the the bonus right or like the progress was a side effect of my passion yeah it was the passion that took me to the gym today not the fact that I was terrified as get my butt kicked like that wasn't it so it really goes you know like of course we're biased or marshall's we're gonna say so it Robert Drysdale of course but it's not it's it's not the only there are other ways of achieving that's sure confidence you know like just throw yourself out there and and find what you like and is that everything comes from that like I will say this may be a sound I read when I send this but like very few things intimidate me because of fighting for sure is once you know that like I don't like I mean as a kid you know go just go and talk to a girl with something hard or something difficult you know like huh you know what she's gonna say she unlike me she's not gonna like me I don't care now it's not in the sense where like of course I want to be successful at it but it's like my confidence is just like so high and I was like I could like me or not it doesn't matter like it's just yeah and it's it's to the point where I don't like it's it's something that I think a lot of guys struggle with but it's really helped me because I don't have that issue and I think it really believed that jujitsu did definitely I know she's just fighting wrestling did that for me as well have a funny story about that actually so a friend of mine the gym decides to take me out for my birthday and I went along and I never get early drink yeah right and the whole day I was painting in a room half the size of this with the doors closed because I'm an idiot apparently this guy and Handy's guy so I go there in an empty stomach and then he said oh yeah vodka and I get like a highball and no ice no but you say oh you want cranberry like I don't like that grab this give it straight and like in five minutes I down the river and he's like what are you doing oh my god I'm okay and then they're called magic girls talking to me in my ear so just like I can't hear a damn thing he said alright you're going home and then as I'm going home I'm stumbling you know that guy takes me to the car and he's taking me to my neighborhood and there's a gate pair and like oh I don't have the keys you say how are we gonna do it I'm gonna jump the gate you say bro are you sure I'm like and this is what I told them we're for he goes man I rest on the high school I could do anything [Laughter] laughing sure enough I got out of it beat it through a story but yeah like I felt like after wrestling that nothing was going to be hard it's gonna be hard right as like man like what school like what I got a look at a book for like an hour like that's easy it really is you know what I'd like to like be nutritionally deprived three days eating like check mix and whatnot you know you're starving and then wrestling and cutting weight and all that and then well yeah I just got to read a book for an hour like that's a joke yeah it's like even like with business stuff that I I'm learning or and get better at like I can see why people like oh it's just hard it's a skill but I look at it go it's still way easier than what we did yeah like it I can't think like how you know I I put my my studies on pause you know for the semester but like I was grad student UNLV and you know did bombard you with a lot of stuff to read like there's a lot of stuff but you think no one's really reading everything everyone's just like really introduction conclusion pretty much all right there we look a couple reviews and I got the book right that's pretty much what you're doing yeah nothing nowhere near as challenging yeah like it's very demanding time-consuming right but compared to you know what we're doing like cutting weight and you know fighting the entire and exhausted week I remember those days I get home and I can have the energy to pick up my daughters I didn't wanted to be held and they were like one and two year olds I think and like picking him up was a huge effort I was using the rail to go up the stairs yeah that's how tired I was and I just was happening like almost every day man for years so you know I I think it's as far as a school for life goes I think that every every kid out there should fight not as a career necessarily but like that rest and experience you had in high school I didn't have that like I had it would you judge someone think it differently because I was pushing myself by like having like the wrestling camp you described I think that sounds like a rite of passage every kid should go through something like that yeah see like how tough you actually are exactly what you can actually accomplish and then once you're done with that like it said it's like any other challenges like bring it it's not gonna be harder it gives you a lot of perspective right like I feel a lot of we'll have what I consider the first world problems like oh my my Internet's down oh no dude come on like really yeah you know but I mean when you deal with a survival issue and like when you're doing weight cuts and fight it's a Sur you feel that you could literally plop down and and keel over you know so it it takes a lot of the sting out of just about anything else you know for me I imagine people who go to Warren stuff have another level of that beyond my understanding right because there's I think there's a whole new level especially if you're seeing battle of run yeah like I've mentioned Fighting's on the most hardest things you can do I think that it is more intellectually demanding but I think emotionally and physically I think war would be you know they good pails what we're doing it's there's a reason why you know PTSD is such an issue for veterans for us you know it takes I don't care how strong you are mentally it's gonna mess you up yeah like there's no way you're gonna go through that amount of suffering and witnessing so much suffering around you and it's not gonna you have to be absolutely cold like a social path and not be changed by something like that yeah I think it definitely I mean again we're speaking out of turn in this but uh yeah you know I imagine yeah but I think you have to be a really strong person mentally or have a good framework set up so that you can deal with the type of stresses that you're gonna deal with because yeah it's it's cool to say oh I like playing call of duty I'm gonna jump in there and I'm like yeah I think the same thing yeah it's totally not the same thing there's no reviving or your belly hurt yeah you know so I think it's a totally different story but in any case saying the the metaphor stands is that you get perspective of how hard things can actually be versus what you're dealing at like most of the difficulties that we handle in a modern society like ours is just more like social challenges yeah right there like the little games that we play with each other you know like even like in relationships there's a little courtship game that goes on you know when you're in school there's a game of who's popular and who's not but they're not real you know like the other day like I forgot what movie I saw where it sent to the guy he was trying to somebody would try intimidate somebody by his position yeah and the guy he was like a stone-cold killer so you think your title has any power here I get in your life right now if I wanted to so it's like the I feel like that same way like if you are confident in your abilities and you've actually pushed yourself to the limits have seen what you can do the little trivial games that we play it's it's you turn to the child play yeah it starts it's like you I knew exactly you're talking about and you know I hope that people we're getting the message across cuz it's such an important lesson you look a little trivial things they people get caught up with and I'm like I got important [ __ ] to do yeah like you know this is not really right it's all very artificial yeah but people get caught up with these things yeah and it's easy to know just myself you know get caught up and stuff like this and start getting stressed out about it but it's like you got a step back and go do I have food on my table yes do I have a bed I can sleep in you know do I have my family safe everything else is gravy you know one I think we like problems we like talking about problems for sure I've been hurt I got heard someone say ones that we like spam mail we love spam mail why would you like spam mail does it give us something to talk about a complain about yeah you know and I think like we are like I don't care how good life is I think we're gonna find something to complain about like I complain about my phone all the time you know it's incredible piece of technology I'm constantly complaining but I think people like to complain I don't care how good life is people still complain I tell myself that all the time you know we're you know I imagine how my grandfather had it and that's another thing I think life has become so you know I first world problems you know when I see this a lot and I think in a lot of ways we become emasculated because life has become so much easier whereas we're talking about like handiwork earlier before the show I'm not great at it yeah I'm not either you know like man like 50 years ago like if you were on a handyman like you yeah you know everyone you know how to shed full of tools and it's I mean I like this stuff I just never got into it I like building and you know I'm a lot of my friend my family members of reserve carpenters and like I like to go to the wood shop and like work you know make my my you know toys and guns out of wood when I was a kid but I never really you know learned how to be a handyman but I think that it's uh um it's a symptom of like technology concerns in society where we become very removed from the reality of the world I always imagined like apocalyptic scenarios where like what would happen if a place like Las Vegas were without gas or without water or without electricity or a car stopped working like what do you think what happened a like [ __ ] would break loose man yeah for sure it will be crazy how like so Ashley fragile our society is you know currency collapses we have a depression sort of recession you know it's very and we don't know how to do a lot of things I was watching a talk between I can't pronounce his name as his Israeli guy he wrote that book Homo sapiens yo you evolved something and Jared Diamond I know Jared well because like I've read his books and they were talking about like if there ever were a collapse like that like how many Americans will be able to survive and the conclusion were like probably none know like people wouldn't survive would be like the natives of the Amazon and some tribes in Africa right the Aborigines like those are the people like okay they'd be just fine like their life would not change everyone else in every developed country in the world would be [ __ ] I think wrapping it up to the beginning those doom days Preppers conspiracy theories would be the ones of you all right they already had their bunkers I think about like you know you thaw like it's it's very calm from Mormon communities they they store food yeah I mean if you know this but like I to go to Utah and offer seminars I'll be staying with my house and they have like tons of food at home and it's all like canned food now the things all these people are crazy like no they're not there right yeah we're crazy for all I have water at a have enough water for like three days in the house ever think about that yeah we take it for granted that society will always provide all these and many other we need and what you're saying is true because in a sense we have to if you want to make that progress right because if everybody was a do-it-yourselfer sure we'll all be very independent but we wouldn't be able to make the advances in technology because nobody would be able to specialize everybody would just be good at everything and you know but maybe that what makes us us yeah and maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing necessarily we're very focused on its massive expanding it is the gift of human mind is the in biology there's there's ass category called what's it called eusociality is it called he's useful [ __ ] all the basic insects that actually have division of labor mm-hmm well eusociality i think it's called and it's us you know humans wasps bees and ants basically every other animal does the exact same thing if you think about yeah I'm okay that's pretty much how it like did you except there's no division of labor yeah right so the insects like these three insects they have division of labor right there yes exactly we're like a large great advantage over other species has always been the fact that we can divide labor and now with technology and like the excessive calories we have in in production right because picado is always the issue like you're spinning all your calories doing what before back in a day chasin calories yeah you're like if you had a surplus of like 200 calories a day that's like a win it's like a good day yeah you know you were killing yourself just to get that extra little bit of food you know but now with everything readily available we become so hyper specialized there are literally people making millions of dollars taking pictures of themselves yeah let that sink it they don't know how to do anything they're called influencers right what's their skill they can selfies that's literally what it is and it's a whole new category as a profession and it they can make money to buy it you know like tons and tons of food and property and they can all and they don't know how to do anything the specialization has been you know this case taking pictures of themselves you know and when you think about stuff like that it's like man it's principal crazy because it's so removed from the reality of the trajectory of the human specie like if we're so far removed I wonder like what what would you know human 20,000 years ago companies you could've had a time machine you place in the society like what he would think of us cuz they're just as intelligent as us like they were not stupid right we think of you know prehistoric people's stupid they're not stupid they're just as intelligent in fact it probably more intelligent because they had to solve very difficult problems to survive but I wonder what they would think of us and they probably think that every single one of us is just like very weak that's probably will be his impression I'll be my guess because we're so dependent on everything else to get by and it is the way it is but I think it's it's a sign of I think we've become very very weak technology has made us weak mentally and physically yeah we were using the technology to leverage and learn more about the natural world and be able to do more I mean that's how we essentially climb to the top of the food chain is through technology but now it's it is true what you say at one point now we're kind of linked we our heart the technology is part of us it's my boys project yeah if you remove that technology from us now we're back to the stone Age's and we're just like in we're just a weak monkey now just that we don't know how to do like we talked about being an animal a - I don't have grow food like I've learned how to hunt or anything that I can learn these days like you know you can learn jujitsu you can learn just about anything I'm confident in that regard but I don't know how to like if you set me out like in go like cold kill a deer you know here's a bow and arrow I stuck here I go I go against the window yeah I can go with the wind go against I'll guess the wind okay that's not the only thing I know right it ends right there I actually want to start doing more stuff like that like I think it would be fun to I think I'm sure I would enjoy it I just never had the opportunity yeah you know I haven't done any hunting but something I would like to do fishing not the same but yeah fun though yeah that a big fish guy myself no really I would fish you for the second time I only been fishing twice once when I was like 14 with my uncle and like recently in Costa Rica with Ron okay and we got a fishing boat and we were just drinking beer out and you know and fishing caught two fish four or five hours in the water beautiful days of my life oh it's a nice activity totally get it why people fall in love with it yeah Jesus relaxing just waiting yeah it's quiet people talk too much do the guys on the boat like no one talks they just kind of shut up and just like look at the sunset you know waiting for you know I mean for the fish well the fresh fish is it's hard to be there's a major difference between eating a lion caught fish yeah versus going to a grocery store and buying fish you know even if it's rewarding yeah but it's like fish spoils like really fast you know I'm like when you get a fresh fish one is you got it you know so it's cold matt said but to this the freshness makes all the difference you know like people who eat like sushi though just literally cut it right there and start eating it it's it definitely elevates it that's why I don't really like seafood that much it's not that I don't like it so I've had fresh seafood and I'm kind of like a snob yeah that's it I can't have something that's not literally right out of the ocean you know so yeah because I've been spoiled like when I went to the Galapagos I was eating like tuna and lobster that was caught that day some of it when we went fishing we got it and man the flavors out of this world and then you come outside of that it's a totally different it's not the same it's like when I started eating prime steaks I'm like now I can't go back god damn it this is but a big debt I could but anyway Dave run all over the place again today enjoyed it yeah absolutely mundo you know like not just take the juicer thing but like we can we can talk about sold these to all these different topics but like I find links between like common threads between everything in jiu-jitsu I'm sure I'm able to bring it all back somehow like in my mind it's like ever it's it is linked in so many different ways for sure I always see the marsh ours is a parallel to life and the way you you train the way you teach the way you behave and practice it should translate to all areas of life which is why I like I always try to endorse it to people you know especially someone who was like a young guy that was in trouble like try that if you're not doing something you know like but you're like I say it doesn't have to be martial arts but anything that someone can get passionate about has some physical component to it I think is crucial you know and life-changing anyway well hope you guys enjoy you know share with your friends and me and Dave will be filling another one soon yes actually have a lot of fun with these sometimes it's hardly the time during today I'm running around like crazy David super busy with his move too but like you know sometimes I have to cancel stuff to do too but I like this I really enjoy these these talks Dave and I hope you guys enjoy them as well and I send us some suggestions I suppose yeah if there's anything you'd like to hear us talk about like more of this less of that longer shorter you know we we had some suggestions recently some very positive was the feedbacks been really positive I feel like yeah you know it's just we're just wanting to get better and better for you guys so yeah let us know [Music]