BTG 19 - Athlete Cross Over, Seasonal Training, Sex

[Music] hey what's going on David Avalon here with Robert Drysdale for another edition of their break in the guard podcast Robert how you doing today I'm doing great man I had a great day today and yeah I can't complain nice my day my days have been starting off kind of rocky we just know the guy had posted the idea my good my girlfriend she had bought this protective case for her tablet she had one of those Microsoft goes and she has the case already but she got like the screen covers down scratch and while she was trying to put that on she had to take off the case so it's just a regular tablet and as she's putting the thing the thing slips falls on the floor cracks no irony but you're trying to protect it more yeah stormed off she was like a month after is you bar like an October last year and then I'm so careful I can't manage my kids running around with their iPads for some reason they want to take the case yeah okay I don't know understand wanted to do that I got bought you a case for a reason that but they pull out of the case and they're running around with it I'm like you know if you break that iPad I'm not gonna get don't worry daddy that won't break if I drop it I've dropped it plenty of times I'm just like looking down my god you know but yeah it's just price you pay for awesome technology I suppose yeah it's not that durable almost definitely but uh in today's starting topic what I wanted to bring up there's a lot more sport crossovers happening these days like in we've seen that give me UFC with Conor you have boxers yeah crossing over a particularly Conor crossing over into boxing yes we've seen now was it Nicky Ryan then Nicky Ryan I'm sorry Nicola Regas crossover and wrestling - wrestling comes from rest because it's not as much but now you got Gordon doing a wrestling crossover with beau Nichols yes the rest but now it's the kind of it's a grappling match but I think there's no leglocks and there's some we modified a little bit I think it's interesting III like what they're doing is that they're they're kind of trying to change things up blue because we've had the same for so long and it does get a little monotonous because you have the same a lot of times if you're familiar with the rule set and you're familiar with the players you know if you're experienced crowd but you don't know what's gonna happen like I have a good idea what's gonna happen like I call this up yeah you're right if you know grappling you know that you have Luke Rockhold and Nick or trees on one side you know can be a stand up match yeah you know it's probably gonna go decision you know that's another one that happen yeah I don't think you get this right but I think it's interesting today I've always liked when MMA guys make the crossover - gravelly although I think that they do much better when they cross over to grapple and then when grapples cross over him and they without that experience yeah right our strikers for that matter I guess MMA guys they're kind of like that well-versed in every area they're upstanding athletes and they're well-versed in he's fundamentally at least in everything right so you know it's easier for a McGregor to go boxing than it is for a Floyd Mayweather to go and then a yeah this is why I'm such a fan of anime because MMA is the art that really brings together you know like the best of all worlds and one thing that I think a lot of people miss out on is that when you when you specialize in something whether it's jujitsu wrestling the more you specialize a hardier gets to progress because you're less and less challenged and at some point you're reaching the limitations of what your body can do and maybe what your mind can do yeah right so you can start slow until your progress as a white belt is very fast blue the fast purple belt brown black and black is when you progress the least I think it's likely making small shorter progress yeah where is an MMA fighter he's got so many areas to work on he grows in all those areas very fast right even though he's specialized he probably that's most most the time I specialize in any of them but I think that that explains why and like Luke Rockhold can hang with any high-level grappler but if you put that high level rapper in a cage with Luke Rockhold you get demolished yeah for sure you know the like you said MMA just has so many things to work on that I was listening to an interview with it was Joe Rogan was interviewing for house sahabi and I think Joe asked him how long do you like your fires to have a breaking on his words [ __ ] off after a fight he's like no more than two weeks is because there's so much technique that they have to learn that if you took a month off there was so many techniques that you've lost yeah the opportunity to learn those two we in the and that month or in that six weeks so whatnot you know she's like I want my guys always learning it's a learning it's not it's not just running there's what you said again especially and I'm amazed like one position can win you the whole fight you know it was a very good point you know like the guys I feel do best are always in shape they're always training you know like you you have to learn how to peak of course but I mean like as far as like being at the gym you don't just disappear and then a fight camp comes up now I put my six eight ten weeks whatever it is you know that's always been my biggest peeve training MMA fighters is that they they take two months off they go to Hawaii it's like they come back when they have another fight and they all they do is get in shape which is located shaping you know six weeks or whatever right you get in shape you know these guys are pretty disciplined they'll cut the weight they walk you know they come back they're thirty pounds heavier completely out of shape you give them six weeks and you'll be fine but the problem is they never learn anything so the six weeks you're preparing you're not really improving technically I think that I truly believe that for you to learn it's almost like you have to be more of a real more relaxed environment where you're not trying to win something or not trying to win but I guess you're more more experimenting more like for I'll try that Kimura I'll try that flock I'll try that guillotine I never go for right and you're a more relaxed environment that's when you're actually experimenting and then you learn more whereas if you're that what's prepared for this opponent and let's over train you right now it's very hard for you to learn I like my philosophy is in terms of preparation is I'm thinking probably gonna agree with me we're gonna go learn learn learn until we get close to a fight camp we got a fight you got six eight weeks out now we focus we switch gears and we're gonna go let's hone in on you know our opponents skill set and being in peak shape right and yeah it's not about learning because you're not going to learn anything three weeks before a fight I mean sometimes you do but generally speaking you don't and that's and it's something MMA fighters don't seem to grasp lot of times it's hard to get that through their heads and you don't think they have to wear I guess did you judge me because you're less injured after tournament that could explain it but you're back at the gym next week like not even a week two weeks off to me sounds crazy you asked me like I understand what Pharos is coming from because I know how these guys are two weeks as I come on they were three months off by two weeks to me as I came in you get it weakened max and that's it sure I mean if you're injured you may need longer but I mean the way I look at it you should be back to the gym on Monday as soon as you can be ya know if you're not injured I don't see why not I always tell over fighters like come back I like they fight on Friday see you on Monday yeah I'm like we start working again but as you said is true because anybody who's like if you're the common student you might not know how if I can't works right but like generally it's like exactly what you said right we identify a strategy and we look at the opponents and we formulate the strategy like okay he has a weak ground game we got to work on taking them down this is plan a continuously you know what not so you're just working on perfecting those game plans and like you said them developing the stamina and weight cutting mmm it's probably a big factor in there as well so there isn't a lot of room to learn you're perfecting a game plan you know so yeah there's no real skill development you know and especially if like you said like if they're slacking big-time and you know they take two months off and they're eating then a big part of that camp is just dieting and cutting which is a huge distraction because now like when you and I've done that I'm sure you have as well and you can't train well when you're cutting because you have to be calorie deprived of you're trying to diet weight off you know I mean because not only it's one thing if you're cutting water weight but there's a lot of guys who get overweight or out of shape and need to get back in shape so you're gonna I think create a calorie deficit and when you're training two times a day or three times a day or putting four hours in hard that calorie deficit is gonna kick your ass and I remember I would train and I would get my ass kicked by people I'm like I just have to tell myself like this is because you're weak right now yeah when the fight comes in you're gonna be really good but right now don't judge this performance does [ __ ] you up though it does mess you up right and like from before standpoint you're not training as hard as you could be because you're limited by the amount of energy that you have right whereas if you were disciplined and always in shape you know you don't have to be fight shape but always in good shape then there there isn't like a drastic weight cut or diet plan that you have to do you said okay I just got a you know tone up a little bit or just get my cardio a little better and that allows you to train better for competition without feeling weak and getting beat up all over the place yeah no I I agree with that and the other thing too is I feel that there's something about learning that requires let speak for my own experience I think everyone's different I think we all learn differently I don't think we're all like learning the exact same way and I I feel that I've made most progress in my learning when I was happy when things in my personal life were going well like every I had no distractions I was very focused and I was dreaming about jiu-jitsu all day I remember this like sometimes I was so excited about jiu-jitsu about learn a new mover I'll be thinking about till at 2:00 in the morning and I'm doing the move in my head over and over and over till 2:00 in the morning like it's like all the time but like I'd be driving I mean I got senior ATD if you know him you know this so I'm like driving like I'm gonna strike and sometimes I miss my exit in my head I'm fighting right yeah and I really believed that I was learning that way because I was becoming I was crazy discussing with Keith Dale a while ago that emotional attachment to the movies you think about over to be over and over and you dream about it and it's so important to you you actually end up absorb and then truly believing in that moment the time comes you really want it to work right so I think that these things have to be in place and when you're dieting like you're describing anyone's ever cut weight noses you're miserable yeah unhappy you get hangry like I'm rude to people you okay man on people like you don't wanna it's it's hard to describe the feelings as a horrible horrible state of mind and it's hard to be happy and be dreaming about learning means dreaming about jiu-jitsu dreaming about moves when you can't stop thinking about food and you turn the TV on and get it you know like a hamburger or colorful that's all it's really occupied you're fine yeah it's kind of like I remember what it's like this is fascinating to me so I'm like when I was like a purple I was really into the competition see in Brazil and I had heard that for you to perform you should not have sex you should not masturbate yeah and then you would just conserve all that energy you would raise your testosterone levels right and then yeah you perform better so I would I would literally like go like a week two weeks with no masturbation no sex and then I remember one time I did a month right I did a month I don't know month like this is that kid you not he was brutal but it was worse I'll tell you why yeah cuz I couldn't stop thinking about sex I was thinking more about sex than I was about jiu-jitsu he's off my mind was just like you know I'm surprised I didn't get like a wet dream or anything but and then I won't determine I was like a big tournament which one it was but the second time I did that did a whole month then night before right it was a the World Championship purple belt I went for about 2001 the night before had sex with my girlfriend I couldn't resist I sleep in the same bed I happen right and I still won so I was like that's [ __ ] and then I go a little while later I saw special I think it was like science Discovery Channel one of them science of fighting and they actually found that your testosterone actually raises yes after sex so sex is actually gonna improve your performance correct you know and after I saw that I'm like okay that's stupid yeah I know a lot of people have those things like oh no sex for two weeks it takes away your legs I'm like dude what exactly are you what are you doing when you can do some crazy stuff headstand you know you're picking up we're gonna press the girl yeah that's such a weird thing to say you know and yeah what is that you're doing cuz like you'd be tired after sex but not like exhausted time nothing like training you know it second while your heart rate goes up a little bit in my brain you know breaking a sweat whatever but I could see your legs getting tired depend on the position but like it's nothing like training I'm close I've the Fitbit during sex really a hundred at most you know they just like like jazak walking yeah 120 would be like jogging and you know like obviously 150 up with me running you don't really go that much exercise if you can raise your heartbeat to 140 150 having sex I mean actually you be standing up and lifting and stuff like that but like no you're not doing nice stuff you know and if you need to get one out it's two missionaries yeah you you know yeah and like you said the other thing is true that's your the longer you go without having sex yours testosterone those starts to drop right so like actually when you go a month without it you're at sea this husband thought was gonna be lower than when you started no the other thing is like if you're having sex like every day or like twice a day or something like that then your testosterone levels will drop because two months there's too much right so they're they're saying I think I was like once every three days there something bad that would be like steady pace that would be the ideal you know because you you want to again I'm not a doctor so I might be screwing this all up but for my understanding that you're like a couple of times a week it's gonna be good for you as far as I keeping your testosterone levels high yeah I mean to me it makes sense because it's making your body you know I'm even though I think the difference is probably Mars I think it does raise your testosterone a little bit but not like oh my god I'm gonna win determined because of this but every little yeah every little bit counts right that's how I look at it but like to me the most distracted thing this is why this was such a horrible idea testosterone levels aside I'm just talking about your mindset yes I remember like you know I'm like 1819 right you know testosterone through the roof all you think about is sex when you're 18 right that's all that's going through your head and I'm trying to focus on a tournament and you know I having you know masturbate had sex in you know 20 30 days now I can't stop thinking about it's all that's on my mind it's actually so much worse so if you got that in your head get it out of your head right now don't even I mean maybe not have like sexathon in the morning yeah I'm for the company okay I think exactly not marathons just you know yourself I think that you said you you don't want to be like starving yourself up that especially since it's actually could help you you know and I think I'll use it just for your mind study you you want to not have that it's like people who've cut way or diet hard you know when you're actually hungry when you dream about food every time you go to sleep yeah I know you were just talking about I remember me as well they're just dreams about food all the time it's like man that's messed up and I know I I don't like fast food in general like if I eat McDonald's or Wendy's it's because there's absolutely nothing corrected for me to eat and I'm starving I think that I would rather eat junk food and not eat I think not eating is unhealthier that even junk food but that's just me some people probably disagree I would agree with you I think even though like I have done that before because I went like once like a 10-year stretch without eating fast food and I would say you know I'm not gonna eat anything like people would stop at Wendy's or whatever like I'm good I'll just starve you know I'm fine and like I'm cotton retrospect like and it's just calories and I mean and it's not yeah maybe it's garbage food but it's better than zero mm oh yeah I agree and with that mindset you know like I don't like fast food I just don't like the taste of it it takes to me I'm right there with them a food snob so yeah I like good food not just any healthy matter like has it taste good right so you know I remember uh you know when I'm watching TV until Wendy's commercial comes on and it looks like the most delicious thing in the world because I'm like severely fat the private I don't get shredded I never got shredded even weigh-ins I got like baby absent yeah alright but like my body still fat depleted you know so it actually that is a good thing have you talked about this before but like it's it's a it's a mega survival mechanism I baked and smells good and broccoli doesn't bacon will get you live will keep you alive like broccoli yeah get some zing Zion's a little cow that's mostly water yeah so from a survivor perspective it makes a lot more sense for your body would create bacon and sugar than broccoli and kale you know even though like health nuts will argue with this all day it's like this this world we live in is a very artificial world we can go to Whole Foods and bite from Africa Brazil or Indonesia and everything's available and you know once calorie deprived because even poor people are fat these days where is a hundred thousand years ago like I think that obesity was non-existing that would be my guest I wouldn't know for sure but like I think that obese newbie I think everyone was crazy like it was a sign of privilege like you know yeah you know the country's yeah you're fat it's like man this guy's rich because he can afford to eat all this in Northeast of Brazil it's a very poor region of Brazil if you if you lived in Brasilia traffic was we've probably seen it most of Brazilian wealth is in the south and the north is pretty poor but in the Northeast a half-bath children is a symbol of status and one of my best friend in Brazil he was born the Northeast a migrating one when he was like you know a child and his mother till this day like she's cost like force-feeding kids in her head like you gotta be fat like in her head till this day fat kids the most beautiful thing in the world because she grew up in poverty yeah so to her like fat is yes it's symbol of wealth yeah itself she probably loved it in in the u.s. I think us got beat as fattest country in the world a while ago I don't know if you regained all right we're not but Mexico Dara's outdid us really don't they love tortillas man have you got a Mexico they tortillas everywhere I mean they're very they're not unhealthy by itself in a thermal quantity but they eat so much of them I think that but Mexico actually you know was the fattest country in the world we were second but I think it's close I think it's a tight race put it back this year but yeah man it's so you know I'm not a know you I'm like you Dave I'm not obsessed with you know my diet and food but generally terms like I try to be you know trying to be a slob you know yeah for me though reason having fast for why health reasons but more really because I don't like the taste of it right it's like the first time I had a prime steak it was like a game-changing moment for me because now it's like well I can never eat selector choice again the taste is so much better you know whether it the marbling the meat a lot just makes a big difference so like you know the last tough try it it's like I taste something like okay I can't go backwards now now I have to eat this or better and I think more so far as you get older too you know I give myself to free to meet in and out every now and then but it's not you get older like it metabolism changes like you know Phillippi andrew you know he's he's living with me and I've never seen a human eat like he does it's out of this world like mountains of food like only two of them was like dude he's not huge right he's probably walking around to ten but he eats like twice as much as I do but he's 25 a forward rolling yeah and I remember eating like that when I was his age maybe not that much it's like he's like a whole new level but you know I evil weighed less than I used to and I'm still putting on weight right which is crazy but like yeah watching some of these kids eat it's almost like entertainment like holy [ __ ] man where is that all going and they're lean yeah yeah that's crazy but like I I think it's really I mean it's genetics a number of factors do but I think the metabolism changes dramatically and I can feel it like you're you just don't run through calories as quickly as you did when you're your 20s yeah it's also the training upper like those guys are in their training all lives you know think wasn't like Michael Phelps they're saying he eats like 10,000 calories a day which is a ridiculous of my life is something disgusting someone showed me this video on YouTube there's this fifteen-year-old kid does the Michael Phelps challenge yeah if you if you search it it's you're not gonna waste it's it's it's great he actually gets his 15 year old kid he good he's gonna eat like something like 10,000 calories 12,000 calories whatever that Michael Phelps eats a day but he doesn't one hour oh that's not any skinny he's lean you know reminds me of that guy that hotdogs hotdogs did it quickly Kobayashi is insane rice ready but this kid even reminds me of him and he eats us something like that whatever it is like 10,000 calories and it's a ridiculous amount of food we're talking pancakes energy drinks Pete's pasta it's the kind of I think I'll take me like four days to eat that much food like it's safe for me it would literally be four days because I'm eating around between 2,500 and 3,000 calories a day you know count them yeah no man I think you remember we did the episode yeah I know everybody get it remember to type like I just eat as I go like sometimes I'm just like snacking mom drew I have a scale my house I weigh everything I eat yeah I'm pretty disciplined with that if you know you don't if you get you know Dave you know how like organized how disciplined he is like he's very very methodical about everything it's impressive cuz I don't have that kind of personality but like it's yeah there's there's a lot of value to it keeping track you know what I wish I had done I wish I kept it done I kept a diary over my training like the thing I how thing we talked about this bike how I feel but that day and what I ate that week before but not just for like your your how you feel physically but you know like I had a lot of success with this move today and it's just a way of kicking sometimes like I don't know if you have happens ever haven't you you're working on a move and it's we're going really really well and you're killing people with it and all of a sudden boom just vanishes from your game and you don't do if I 2 3 years and then it comes back all this in I'm like why on earth did I stop doing this it allows killing people with it yeah but it's so crazy how your game goes it's very cyclical it doesn't I'm not sure why that is I suspect maybe your training partners adapt to it and then you have to that's maybe that stops working for a while and then it comes back but I it's it's I've always been that way ya know that I've had that too and it's a mix of what you said like one of them I got my jam we used to do a lot I used to do a lot heel hooks when I was competing a lot but then everybody got really good the fighting them in my gym so it wasn't working as well so then I started doing something else and then you kind of stopped using it even there like if you compete outside it's gonna work really well like an agency I uh most of my finishers were heel hooks you know but at my gym I barely get people with but he looks back about there a problem with like you know getting frustrated right you know in quotation marks frustrated with your training parts or not getting something because it may lead you to believe that you're not doing it well and they wouldn't work in a competition am i that might be the weapon that you're missing right yeah I think that certain opponent which is something I I'm always you know as a coach I talk about this every day if it's funny because when you're a coach you repeat something so much cuz they're important things to you and your students roll your eyes but whenever I say that same thing to private or a seminar you like it's like this great students in Beverly yeah there's a revelation that your students take you for granted long time but if I repeat it's because it's very important but I always talk about developing new weapons not be a one-trick pony and learn how to shut off your autopilot because everyone talks about autopilot it's the greatest thing ever it is your best friend but it's also your biggest enemy because autopilot is what teaches you to do what you do all the time automatically and sometimes that's the wrong way to go depend on your opponent depend on the circumstances good competitor shuts off autopilot hand goes in a different direction right like I'm able to reach you know change my strategy but if you're a one-trick pony and you always do the same things over and over you struggle with that because that's what you do yeah so I always like to have like you know some people I call I don't pass on my knees and I go through maybe a time for it oh I don't like hip throws or I don't like to wrestle or I don't like this I don't want that I like men there will be a time that you will need that I'll give you an example I hated judo and wrestling coming up I was it's funny because like I'm known as a guard critic today but if you saw me coming up from white and brown that's all I did I did not stand up I did not know I didn't know how to pass up tobacco right like I'd be like I was when I was one of those guys I was so uncomfortable on top I'd rather throw myself on bottom and get score two points on because I knew I could sweep if I wanted to right I was that guy but it was you know it was not until cuz in my head I'm going no one's ever gonna past my guard my guards gonna be so good Dave no one's ever gonna pass it just gonna put 100% of my investment in that until I met a guy that couldn't walk through my guard hmm and now what do you do cuz he has my number he's figuring out right and I wish I had the judo skills or the wrestling skills to take him down cuz I know he had no guard right so you know students said to be very stubborn I find it's always like the blue bows and purple belts for some reason it's like seem like that that not beginners but like the intermediate level and they they're the ones that have like their game you know what I hate when I hear that like my game it's almost like this is what I do everything else is outside of my game I don't want to learn it and I have to really almost like argue with people convince them like men don't be limited you know don't look at it that way yeah I think it's because when you're that blue purple level you think you know something because you probably are having success with that particular move or your game and then like you're saying that okay I want to get as many taps or winds as I can so I'm gonna keep playing this game as you as you said there's diminishing returns and especially when you're starting off and you blew your relatively starting off like if you're gonna curb your growth in this one point when there's a branch here that's completely unexplored you know you can learn a lot here fast you know I mean so yeah I think the we recall your autopilot is destructive to learning right I think it has its place particularly in competition or whatnot where you want to execute quickly but when you're training you want your goal is to learn as much as you can so yeah but you gotta toss the ego aside and allow yourself to take some else in training for the long term win you know like I said when I would work on things I would pick objectives I'll say okay I want to score you know five guillotines today anybody talked about that before I'd be the same way like I want to get this submission working today and I'm just gonna go for that I'm gonna force it so it's not natural I'm just trying to make it happen but it's giving me more exposure to that position so I can learn faster yeah you know and I think that's for me that's what always worked like I would have forced myself into positions or like I would play half guard my half guard was garbage I'm this gonna force half guard every time start from bottom pull it and and ignored and make myself work you know but like I at least when I was training my gym I didn't care about you know like oh the student past my guard or this guy my rival and my brother beat me like that's fine I'm training I'm here to learn you know when we go out to compete now it's different it's very hard to do because high I would tell myself that I teach my students exactly what you said in those words but I had a really hard time doing it myself because I thought today I'm gonna go to the gym and I'm just gonna put myself in a bad spot right and I was you know and but of course I'm competitive like I want to win so the second things go south for me like I didn't go back to my a-game and it's so hard to discipline yourself into just being the guy was accepting you lose I went through a phase didn't last about less than a week I want to call it a face but like I was so angry myself because I couldn't stick to because I couldn't lose and I had to just go back to my a-game all the time trying to be people even though I'm preaching the opposite right but I had a really hard time discipline myself doing that so what I would do is like I'd make I did this like I said lasted less than a week but I would like I'm gonna get tap today I have to get tap today so if I'm rolling with someone I would like let them get a Kimora or a really good joke and I try to get out and then like maybe half the time they get out of the other time like I was like my blue before tapping me but I was putting myself in all these spots it was almost like a way of like humbling myself like it's okay if you're tapping yeah it's okay if you lose but it's like at this internal battle I had where like I just didn't want to lose them well the smarter part of me was trying to discipline me like Rocky it's okay if you lose right and it didn't last very long but I think there's one occasion I turn to this blue boy he tapped me like six times in ten rounds I think it was confusing like I mean like I don't remember the look on his face was like what's going on Rob like you know but it was my way of like trying to break that habit of not wanting to lose in practice but you're right like practice is for practice it's for learning it's not for winning you know as long as you can understand that different something you know trying to win when you're trying to move you go let's say some people attack the right foot yeah right they never foot lock the left foot for whatever reason right you attack the left well you're trying to get it you're not letting your opponent get out but because you're going on your bad side chances are you're gonna fail yeah when you fail you learn what we call a negative lesson right you learn how not to do it that lesson is important learning how not to do something is just as important and learning how do it yeah and I think that that's my team with people that want the shortcuts because the only one to learn the way how to do it and it's like man the true lessons like for you to truly understand something you have to understand all these other options that don't work because that's the difference between truly knowing something and memory something they've because a personal memorize let's say I watch your DVD set and I memorize how you do things I even know let's say I can explain it better than you it doesn't mean I know it better than you even though the white belt might perceive it that way but someone who's memorized a move you can corner them just like this you ask him to three questions that go outside of what's going on there and they either don't know they're gonna [ __ ] you they're gonna come up with a [ __ ] answer where it's like you know you're an expert Kimura I know I could I couldn't corner you but no matter what I say you have an answer to this position and what would happen if someone did this or that and you have been through all those situations so you know why it doesn't work and you have a good reason why or versus someone's memorize the move they're gonna [ __ ] yeah I guarantee you if they don't have an answer cuz they never bend the situation they start looking up and to the right not sure why people do that one laughs if you pay attention body language oh away I'm almost like sometimes I try to train myself to only pay attention people's body language and I was like but it's hard to focus on both because the the words kind of hypnotize you start listening you know but body language gives me the weight loss for sure nobody you are right you know the those negative lessons so it's like Thomas Edison you know he didn't fail two dozen times he learned 10,000 ways not to make a light bulb right exactly so I feel that's one of the benefits my brother and I had when we came up since we didn't have an instructor for most of our career we had to reinvent the wheel so to speak a lot of times and then we learned there like you said lots of negative lessons like okay this isn't work this is no more it doesn't work then but we know why all these things don't work and it's also made us a little bit more open-minded because we didn't have someone telling us okay this is how this works and this is this is why you're gonna do it like this like no way we got to explore a lot like we did all sorts of weird stuff one of the things I you ever mentioned like I let go of was doing net cranks you should net cranks all the time from all sorts of positions but I found like with training partners most people don't like tapping tune that cranks because they think it's like a pain move and then where ends up happening which one did you use is never got into them I'd crossface people for a minute those crossing people all the time but that cranks I would do him all sorts like the front just for a mount for the front here from the bottom guard I can do it sit-outs a lot of neck cranks and a lot of them when this is the Aiken Stars and that crank but then they can become a pecan like a diaphragm choke you know diaphragm compression at the one from the Saiga Tommy I'm excited Tommy judo head control yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly like that rule I look at the [ __ ] boot but if you've been wrong anyway doing that in you and they can be consistent with the pressures one thing if they press you up like two or three seconds you can you know you possibly down your breath for three seconds but if they can keep about 10-15 seconds like you there's no white you thought you can't breathe yeah you can't breathe it's it's awful I know and there's one that I like to do the bus route and one that one I don't know you seen that one I forgot what someone else calls it but I learned it from bas Rutten from wrapping magazine he showed it I remember I saw it I'm like this looks like BS I'm like yeah I'll give it a shot yeah I remember I the first guy I got to do it to was my brother and I said to you from maçussa Khatami and then you loop around his neck grab your own thigh and then you grab his other leg your own thigh and then put your knees together and I remember I put him in there for like 20 seconds and he didn't tap and I'm like damn I guess it didn't work and I let go of it and then we we finished around and my buzz like oh I made a big mistake I'm ruined like the crank just destroyed me you just didn't tap out of it wasn't that better prior than well he didn't rave like three or four days you know here's his ribs were just totally destroyed I don't talk about I have done it to people and I've had it done to me actually does work oh yeah yeah yeah it's just not it's not a high percentage move in the sense where like a rear naked choke is a high percentage submission right or not there's a hierarchy I believe when it comes to effectiveness of submissions right to me like you know rear naked choke is king yeah always will be I don't think that's ever gonna and it's old-school remember the old-school conversations losing yeah and and then it goes like armbar guillotine you know whatever like down the ranks and that one would not rank top ten but again like there's a right even like the craziest stuff there's a place where crazy stuff yeah when Anthony my favorite example Anthony Pettis knocked out Ben Anderson throw you know that spinning kick off the cage yeah once again the line between genius and and stupid is very you know had he landed on his head and knocked himself out he's an idiot yeah you got the mouth he's a genius yeah but that's it's really help things are man like I think that you try something absolutely crazy and then if it works you're brilliant and if it doesn't what an idiot for you to try it yeah you know it's high-risk high-reward things sometimes most people don't expect those high-risk moves and they get caught but you should have that like I when I show low percentage moves sometimes I show them that you I stopped not even during part of our core you never know and then I I'll show my students and I explain like well this is not a high percentage move well if you're in a situation where you're down by 20 points you got 30 seconds left maybe go for that easy kill from inside the closed guard yeah it's a Hail Mary yeah I try that move that you saw on fight magazine you know 20 years ago that looked like a [ __ ] move try that move from the gene LeBell cyclopædia of submissions I've never seen that book I have it okay it's it's great like it's got like it's something I think the title of the book is like a thousand and one submissions or something like that and of course like 80% of them are just okay I would never work but I say that was caution because there might be a time with that would work I'm sure it's work at some point you know but you know I don't think that that would be part of a curriculum I wouldn't be teaching it in class every week once in every now and then out of curiosity you show it and like a you never know what's your most ridiculous submission that you have that I use yeah I know I just trying to think of one now that like it looks like absolute [ __ ] yeah okay I got two very similar one of them is I lock the body triangle a little bit bigger these days so when they were thinner yes it was no not that way I make people book thing if you can't see me that I'm fat I'm not bad I'm just you know we're not the body triangle on on what I do is you know most people Locker on the abdomen right yep what I do is I grab my shin and I move myself up as like just like I'm adjusting a triangle I pull that shin over the rib cage mm then I locked that triangle not on my foot but on my ankle so the out the top of my toe is touching the outside of my knee okay so it's like an ankle deep triangle then I squeeze my knees together David people I I private someone knots out there yeah that brutal I've had people I don't like those at all yeah that's what happens is like your abdomen is all muscle and guts right whereas your ribcage actually protecting your organs yeah and the ribcage are not that strong No so when you ply pressure your ribcage you're actually you know applied crush into the organs and it sends your body into a panic right and it's it's believed it oh it's legal IBJJF people don't know this but it's completely because there's nothing in the rules that says anything about that but she cuz the rep it just looks like a body trying you tap the body trying to you're a [ __ ] yeah you know they're not always seeing at the amount of pain that that move oh it's why I've popped like six or seven ribs so I would hate you know it's brutal man like I used actually there was a minute there and then may I was it so frustrating not able to finish people because of the gloves and getting a rear naked choke with gloves is very different yeah and the arm bar I got it a lot but you know it's one of those things that arm bar was Plan C my plan B became the body trying on the back and I was killing people with it oh yeah it's thinking about the back B people all the time with that body trying on the back yeah it is lost I say rib cage if you got a cup gan to and you got the cup grinding into the lower back that thing is not fun I got another [ __ ] submission that I show people and I don't think it's real like I that doesn't work and I do - holy [ __ ] it works but I'm in close guard right and I go flower sleeps like they're really deep with my right arm okay but instead of flower sweeping you right what I do is I put the knee that on that's that I'm pulling myself into on the ground so by going with my right arm flower sweeping my right knee goes on the ground okay puts me sideways yeah right and then I lock the triangle the same triangle that I do on the back but on the side of the rib cage hmm right and then I lock the trying when I squeeze it's even worse than the one on the back because it applies to all the pressures I was the only one rib and I've caught a few people with that but when you only teach it it sounds like [ __ ] no no IIIi believe it I've had people try to do those body triangles in me and I worked immediately to get it off because I I know that's bad news I have a reason as I have one BS move but I've hit maybe twice ever yeah but if I got hit with this I'd probably quit which is behind the arm facing away guillotine behind the back behind the back so you would be that way I would grab you like this you finish your here so now I'm on your back you yeah so pretty much the way it works I would sprawl you out so you're on your force yeah and then I would throw turn away from you and Wow lock my hands behind my back so your neck is in this little song okay and then you finish and then you just stretch your hips out boom and that I never even seen not even Jean LaBelle's encyclopedia did I see that I forgot I know I didn't come up with that I saw it somewhere I'm like and I used to do a prank with people like I go oh I had this great move I'm gonna show you check this out and I'll put my hand there shoulder and walk them to the mat and right when we get in the mats and this got my bike I can see I could see we're gonna some circus hofi does one that wrote me just remind me of something he does want from you know imagine your liking inside control you've faced the legs and you wrap the shoulder yep Hoffy has one where he reaches around behind his back with both his arms and like does the north south from there but one thing I cannot do it he does it though like not all the time stuff percentage but I've seen people him topic with reason it to me I'm not trying to escape or anything but I feel the pressure like man I could see this working and he actually connects his hands behind his back it's the weirdest thing I wasn't one where I just reminded of absolute [ __ ] move and the guy did it to me I'm letting we're not fighting yeah and I almost like screaming in pain it was brutally painful imagine deep half guard this is the burger from Brazil and he's like look at this submission you can't lead you can't go deep half like let him get to half guard of mine why cuz he'll do this so deep half guard and the leg that he's hugging so he's on his back right you have your legal crossing you know ankle trapped in half guard never lead across his body right yeah he doesn't rear naked choke on the top of your leg with the blade of the Renuka choke in the middle of your thigh interesting squeezes Dave it hurt like it was that was a brutal man it looks like it sounds like [ __ ] not time for that man if they'll let my femur was gonna break that was strong as a strong guy support arms kind of stocky but when he did it it felt like he was gonna break feed my head the top I mean we're not going live yeah but apparently he does absolute - a lot of people and interested it's not even in the rulebook it doesn't even exist in the list of submissions you know but yeah so you got to be a little you know sometimes you gotta keep that keep the door open for the possibility of weird stuff that theory shouldn't work for sure yeah works you can't argue success exactly you never know when something could come in handy you know so it's good to have more tools and more options because you could always pull it out like I know whenever I was down a match and points that's when all my flying stuff I start coming up yeah I'm just flying armbars flying triangles whatever because I lose you know by one advantage or I'm gonna lose by ten points it's the same place submission or by submission it's the same thing right so you might as well go out on your shield and kind of I always exactly go go hold on the shield but you know why I was so much students this you know the last minute of a fight when they're winning is the most dangerous oh yeah man another fight because it's crazy because sometimes you're winning and you see ten seconds on the clock and start relax a little bit like that's the worst and relax in a fight yeah is when you got ten seconds left on the clock and you're winning that's when your opponent's most dangerous that's when he's gonna jump the flying triangle the flying arm boy he's gonna go for that foot lock he's never gone for before and he's gonna do crazy [ __ ] and he's gonna go 2,000 percent into it it's not there's not gonna be he's not gonna half-ass it no this has got five seconds on the clock what does he have to lose so you know the advice of competitors is when you're winning you got to be extra conservative I'm not saying it's falling but like don't mess around man if he's going for something you got to respect everything he goes for you gotta see it like it's a race around a footrace do you slow down when the guys within ten feet of you they absolutely not you got a sprint to the finish and it's funny cuz you see it happen and racing a lot of time to it like that they'll start putting the hands up but the guy smokes in from behind I'm like man like what I like a discipline thing just to finish it you could do that same victory lap after you've crossed the finish line it's over I I don't I've never raced before but I've heard this it might be [ __ ] but it's almost like an advantage to be in second close to the first place because the incentive for you to cab they then said it for the guys first place is the line is for whatever reason is smaller than for the guy who's in second place will sees you a few feet in front of him I think is also aerodynamic advantage because the guy in the front is breaking the wind yes all right so night cycling I know that's for sure yeah that's why they stay aligning huge moment they're like small advantages but like and at that level they add up you know I think the psychological of having someone right in front of you you would break your you know you'd go that extra push that I'm talking about the push by the time you cross the finish line you collapse on the ground cuz you can keep your you can't even hold yourself up anymore no matter I had a buddy and I was doing cross crunchy there's a cross grunting country I'm becoming [ __ ] right now every run finishing sprint he would throw up just from the pure exertion that he put out I yeah I'm like man this guy must really like running because like our coach will put us into it as a preseason conditioning it gives a role into the wrestling season so we were doing like we were like the worst cross-country wrestlers runners ever like and the coach seemed to know that and he would do us he would put us in Sprint's that's Prince sorry stairs all the time I'm like this is not cross-country training like there's no reason to do stairs like really but we would do like 30 minutes tear sessions it worked for rustlers gonna but this one kid he was just a runner man like every time throwing up like that's some dedication like he knows that every girl all right but yeah yet they empty the tank you know even if you're in top you know I think for fighting the visual should be like the guys like 10 feet behind you have you're winning because that's what it is anyone hit and fight over any changes yeah it's a like even if you're winning four rounds and you're coasting to the fifth round the guy still just ten feet behind you he takes one step and throws a right hand and clock so you're done like you don't have the same space work there's never a point where you're so far away from the guy that there's no chance you can win there's always a chance at MMA or any striking aren't really that you can win which is what makes it exciting it makes it the get the more they can be a more of a gamble yeah more striking than grabbing and grabbing you have to make a series of mistakes to get caught yeah we're striking takes one mistake yeah that's one reason I fought it clinched right away oh you have no hands like my hands from bad I just like I'm looking at grad striking where it's like 50/50 and I look like grafting like I know if I grab this guy I'm gonna finish him it's like it's it's an easy choice to make yeah it's just being economical really smart I say like if we have the number one striker in the world versus a number two or let's say even the number ten striker they're both gonna get hit number one guys gonna get hit a bunch of times you know it's just that's what striking is about it's about getting hit and returning but you want to land a better shots you know counter but if you have like the number one grappler number ten grappler number one grapplers gonna win and he's not gonna get hurt while doing that you know I mean so like the advantages are much bigger you know you can afford to make mistakes on the ground I feel like you have for you to get caught keelhaul can guillotine probably the exceptions like some you know yeah quad something fast but for the most part you have to make a series of mistakes for you to tap me it's not one it's a sequencer yeah so I I think it's safer in that regard for sure Mogambo going back to let me just reminded me of something and I love this story but it might be apocryphal I don't know if it's just um one told me the story but like there's a Dan Gable once give an interview and he said something the extent of is there I think is one of his daughters ran marathons or something and he was very proud of her because she had done something that he 'never experienced in wrestling where she was so exhausted marathon I should push herself so hard she couldn't stand back hmm she was like she collapsed on the ground she could and I've seen that a foot on TV ice like a triathlete she would like she lost coordination of her legs and she was collapse and she'd fall she get back up but she'd fall again uh-huh and she just wouldn't quit you know she just can't but she's crawling now she's trying to get back and I look at that and go that's a pretty badass man like it's so cool and then Dan Gable said something and once again you don't quote me yeah but it's still a great story and he goes like he was envious of his own daughter because no matter how hard he pushed himself in wrestling he had never pushed himself to that point where he couldn't stand up anymore is that cool yeah what are they Gable that's a big I now for Dan Gable used to like mold along with like weights on his body yeah yeah he he's like a legend in rest him because he had set the precedent where you had to be carried off the mat is the goal of training that you want to be that exhausted I think in retrospect that was probably too hardcore it's incites at this point 21st century unscientific yeah that the data backs up rests as an important component correct Foreman yeah and I think he was probably overtraining more than he should have so beautiful it is still amazing though yeah biggest it what it is is shows the power of their will right which is like we've talked about this before you have to flex out every so often right you got to see how tough you are and the V narrator and training is the best place to do that because the consequences are less severe okay W don't want to prove you're super tough in a fight especially every time you fight because that's us a muscle and that really muscle those are strikes that you don't get back you know I and I have listened to Joe Rogan if your house Sahabi and they had this thing where they were saying that essentially you have a punch ticket with that amount of hits that you can take over your career you know and you don't want those hits to be adding up in training and because they were talking about training smart no I see it the same way of fighting I see some guys that they just go to a brawl like and they couldn't if I easy on the ground but you said but like there's a pride thing oh we're gonna brawl I'm like you're taking those extra shots that you're not gonna get back you know I mean like offenses yeah it's a thin line between being tough and stupid yeah yeah you know we're like but I admire like go back to Daniel III even though I think it's unscientific and a counterproductive I admire the will so to me it's such a fascinating topic I remember you guys I'm sure you've maybe heard the story Paul let me out when he broke a tooth and practice never heard that story I think you've told me it once before but so refreshing okay I I mean a lot of people you just know this story I love this story I think was like 1560s would've been like 10 years ago you know broke his tooth and practice right it goes you know puts it down keeps rolling right and I might be missing some details okay so forgive me if I'm not telling the story you know exact what happened but just a bit you'll get and then he goes like this he goes you know I'll keep trolling and then dentists walks up to him after practicing those was all the mats and go beg a man come over my my office thinking like I'll take care of you for free just come over and I'll fix your tooth for you oh thank you so much it's very nice of you a few seconds later he goes oh how many days do I have to take off up three days off good right he's still walking around without a tooth check about three days off when he when a Seabee he won nine rounds with a broken foot those three three-minute rounds you know he broke his foot in the first round yeah okay she knew I was bald okay she broke his foot with a steamer lock broke his foot right me I was her heart attack yeah notoriously they actually broke his foot he couldn't walk he won nine rounds with the broken foot Lindy he was limping on the mats that's really good I went to bra welcome to broad league like we're gonna [ __ ] with this kid because we knew how crazy is you know so we walked up to him like after after tournament like he's in the locker room changing and I walked up to him you know and we go amen Oh me and brawler gonna train tomorrow 7:00 a.m. you down he's like yeah sure we're like he wasn't Joe we were joking he wasn't joking yeah it was down to Train the next morning 7:00 a.m. he just won I don't even know how much money won nine rounds of broken foot and he was down the Train 7 a.m. to me that's a level of insanity I like train I'm get me wrong I like pushing myself but that right there is something I admire so much it's borderline insane actually I think it's but it isn't I think it is gasps that one I think it's again short-term thinking right I found myself doing similar stuff alone not to that extent we're a training injured or competing injured I think it was like 2002 2003 I had competed like in 40 or so matches and a span or like six months just taking any super fight I can get any any absolute division can compete compete compete everywhere I had popped knees pop ankles shoulders messed up and it's a push through it push through it push through it but I felt like I had to chase every opportunity that was presented like okay David yeah and then someone like man if I keep taking these there's gonna be nothing left of me yeah okay I gotta stop you know I like took like three four months off healed up okay you know what those opportunities well they'll be there you know sometimes you miss something and another comes back but like there's a price to taking it that you might never recover from that's where a good coach comes in and tells you a man like you're actually doing more harm than good but I even if it's detrimental to your performance I cannot stop myself from a part of the behavior because we're living in a time where everyone wants to talk about yeah badass everyone wants to be the bad that big dick in the room everyone wants to be a badass everyone wants to you know they want the reward but are you willing to be missing a tooth through your best dating years right from your 16 to 26 or missing a tooth because you don't care about the fact that women may find you less attractive you know you know you look like you know like some [ __ ] redneck it's like it doesn't care he doesn't care he's just so much more worried about my performance he's so much more concerned with bettering himself he will not take three days off yeah like most like and in the contrast that with like some of these guys take three months off and why after a fight man like even though you can be OC champion I'm never gonna admire the same degree that I admire Paula now but even though I would never I would recommend that and I wouldn't do it myself I've gotten my teeth fixed I have a similar story though not quite that extreme but I have this this dent on my chest I I did pictures of items I never bothered looking anyway yeah when I was like 16 17 I just got in jiu-jitsu my mom's looking your doctor and the technology and I was improved it's a lot better by the time you know it was it was a more complicated procedure to fix it you know it's plastic surgery but you have to mess with your whole structural skeleton I don't even know what they do but you want a doctor doctor doctor said it could fix it and I go whatever you know bothered me that much um I guess when I was younger I got to use a lot but I want to pound 16 I kind of didn't give a [ __ ] more and then I asked him so how much time off it's all about a year I took a year off I was really into jiu-jitsu I'm like that's way too long you know I mean three days yeah I would have done that but like when you know but you know in my cuz I remember now you know we're calling it when I was 16 17 you just already was way more important to me than how I looked all right so now looking back I'm very proud there's a party they wish I mean there should have fixed it you know but it's a part of that very proud of that because you know like and like I clearly I know what I prioritize in my life you know and I think a lot of people when it comes to performance they prioritize their all the wrong things even though they talk about performance they talk about reward you know achieving it all comes down to these decisions how much does it mean to you how much do you care because when he means that much to you like Paul now and I think three days off he doesn't care he's walking out without a tooth right did that explains why he's a champion like what danger like you know he doesn't say stuff like that it's it explains why he's great and then you know I'm not comparing myself with these guys but yeah I think there's there's like it's like the the the the it's I admire that sort of resolution determination to achieve absolutely I think everybody does you know like in the case of Meow's and whatnot they're they probably have a goal that's in the short-term so like you said they're willing to sacrifice everything body limb what-have-you to achieve that and the time span for it is finite so whenever you have that you have to be willing to sacrifice more for it you know now what happens after who knows you know like maybe his foot gets hobbled and he's got bad teeth or whatever the case is so I guess you just have to be clear of what your long-term goals on your life you know but for sure anybody who does something of greatness has a I guess I have that touch of madness you know like other people think you're crazy they don't understand why you're so driven to do something but like I get people who write me and say like oh you know I want to become a pro athlete but I work this I work a job how do I do it thank you there's no perfect time to get started with chasing a dream yeah it's just now it's a Givi if you're not willing to risk something to get it probably not cut out for it because anybody I've known that does something amazing had to risk a lot and it's a lot and yeah the scary thing is there's no million things could happen along the way and I think I don't when my dad wanted me to get a normal job and stop playing Karate Kid quote-unquote I understand what was coming from my auntie is wrong yeah my daughter said something like which to me would sound as outlandish as me train jujitsu sound it to my father I probably would have given her advice of like yeah I just get a normal career like don't do don't shoot for the stars you know like but like not everyone is gonna be rewarded yes it's a long shot but it starts there right because everybody essentially has to be willing to risk that I think the biggest problem with people who have you know these big ambitions particularly in sports is that they think that there is a perfect way of getting into it like oh okay I'll have this money saved up so I don't have to worry about this and then I have that and like dude that never happens you know like it's like that got to ferry like you keep creaming or bugging the tattoo where I'm gonna get that tuna tattoo like yeah you're waiting for the tattoo fairy to come along and tell you what's the perfect moment to get that tattoo versus yeah in fights the same thing it's like you know you're waiting for that perfect ideal moment to get started or achieve your dreams it's like man it's right now every second it goes by your second further away from your dream man we we have we have a short life yeah short time on this earth it you don't know how much time you got even live your dreams man don't don't don't mean they don't get sucked into the you know doing what you don't love to do because you know life is short you know Dave um I have to go I have a bit of a case I gotta be somewhere no worries yeah as I have to cut a little bit short today guys that is entirely my fault but uh well because you don't always enjoy our talks man it's very organic with me and Dave we can we start like we decide what about 30 seconds before before we start recording you know what we're gonna talk about cross-training between words and then BOOM you know we're going to the rabbit holes and yeah I I always enjoyed these talks yeah man likewise you know like we never know we're gonna end up thank you so much guys thank you for listening watching and see you guys next time [Music]