BTG 21 - Curiosity and Humiliation

[Music] hey what's going on David Avalon here with Robert Drysdale for another edition of breaking the guard when episode number 21 and goes quick yeah yeah it was like we started yesterday because we actually started talking about the project like like over a year ago really we did yeah we didn't but we didn't actually start releasing the episodes until like six months later after we started filming so the first episode was really beep Anna yeah and beep in was here yeah but at least eight months ago right yeah as a while ago we finally be consistent that's the most important thing we talked about it's like when we start you know we wanted to be consistent and we wanted to release at least one episode a week which we've been doing I think we had like four or five lined up and now we're like we film and then Dave edits and you know puts it out the next day so yeah crank them out for you guys also you might not notice it but we've moved to a new location yeah if it looks better it's because it is there's a lot more room back here yeah we had a don't tell you guys I have a casita at my house and I have a lot of climbs like kids that come over to Train jujitsu and a Rob I need a place to crash to make sure crashing the casitas I mean they're gonna film sometimes and that's the studio right so every now and then you got to wake him up you know like a man to go go hang out somewhere else we got a film so it was really inconvenient Dave just bought a beautiful home like four minutes away from my house it's like walking distance right so it's perfect and yeah so now we got much more space it's funny cuz like he this guy just texted me like hey Rob you want to film I'm like yeah sure come over I can please for god like all the this stuff was over here already is that first episode of Dave's house yeah some topical news that we have going on well the UFC 245 or 230 can't keep up man yeah they're one of those fives but I just passed with a big event tomorrow lucemon with called the Covington and spoiler alert if you don't want to hear the result Guzman won by TKO in the fifth round with less than a minute left and I didn't get to watch the fight unfortunately I was busy moving stuff here but I did see some of the highlights and one of the things that drew my attention to it was that apparently lucemon coldly Covington's ja in the third round and he fought essentially two and a half or three rounds really through with a broken jaw in a fight that had zero wrestling zero takedown attempts with me there guy they just toe to toe and try to Rock'em Sock'em so I don't think if you've never had your job broken which fortunate me and Rob haven't but from what I hear it sucks I can't imagine because I think that the biggest thing was when I him the pain but the knowing that your jaw is broken it's just like hanging in there by a tendon or skin or whatever right and you're still getting punched repeatedly because you're gonna slug like it's not it's like exactly like who said it or not like pummeling it on the fence like you know that your jog is just hanging there by a thread and there's someone still punching it ya know the fracture was just they had the the picture of the punch that they believe was the one that fractured in it was like a right hand they just caught him like pink like right in the middle of the jaw so the fracture was here I mean like he says because one I imagine you probably can't clean your jaw well if the amount of pain you have yeah every other shots gonna be worse ya know you're gonna be flinging around everywhere and two of them in the back of your head you know every time you get a hit you know it's gonna be brutal you know yeah like it's it's kind of miss what I mean - keeping the composure like I really admire that somebody can do that um yeah it's a tough I wonder if the doctors would have stopped it had they known that's the question I don't know I mean that's another concern right cuz Oh closest I've had to that was just the broken nose and the pain of it didn't really bother me you know because a lot of times in the fight the adrenaline is just yeah you don't feel it as much as you think I was bleeding like a faucet and my concern was the ref actually stopped the fight and then they have a doctor check it and they're all you want to continue like of course but now I'm thinking crappy but get it tagged again I'm gonna lose the fight because they're gonna want to stop it yeah I already made a big show of it so a second thing you have to worry about all righty you know I think the thing that was interesting that that fight is that neither than even attempted to go to the ground once I suspect that they respected each other's wrestling too much maybe and they didn't one of the new is gonna be a long difficult fight it's five rounds right so they probably I don't want to waste a lot of energy trying to take this guy down because I don't feel like I can hold him down long enough to actually cause any damage right or win the round at least so probably they're both looking at each other and going you know we have a better shot it's just you know banging it out but it's only the end of the fifth round and then you know when a decision I think that's was their strategy for both of them walking in because anyone who was following me when who trains knows how much energy goes into trying to take someone down it knocks the wind out of you you know because you know it's one thing to move something that's heavy that doesn't mind being moved like a heavy bag right whereas like someone that's weighs as much as you who doesn't want to get taken down is doing everything in their power for you not to move them that's a whole different story and it really wears you out and then fighters know this so there's a reason why they're not to invest it in that especially when they know they're going against a high level wrestler like they both are yeah yeah a lot of people are expected as much because they're very similar like even their records and Libby knows they're both had the same record I think they're both 15 and one are they war they have a common opponent like I guess who's been lost to a guy actually I used to train jose coceres know miami irony could choke and then colby lost to this other guy whirly all this by a guillotine or something but then each of them have beat the other guy okay and they both had the same submission record same knockout record same everything so and then the strategy is obviously the same - so yeah almost like a mirror image fighting each other that's interesting not wise yeah character wiser please because Oman is born in Nigeria is that correct sure I know he's always in the journeying descent I know his name - you know yeah give him one but I'm a mother who was born there and he was raised in the US or if it just as parents or immigrants from my German nobody story ecology here and that's the whole joke with the Marty thing I don't know you're here with Ben Askren Ben Askren on a press conference called the Marty because apparently when he was at college he was called Marty so he's like I always know I was Marty now he saw me who smile okay whatever you know that's funny I know that so there was a lot of Marty references that referred to as funny you know they wrestled together or no no they very different divisions so like big all that criticism was that he who spends a division to wrestler and then both been aspirin and also Colby our Division one wrestlers yeah so it's kind of like isn't that exactly equivalent but some people will say minor league vs major leagues yeah it's not that if there is a gap but it isn't that big of a gap yeah especially when now we're talking about MMA I think all that kind of either way because you can have a wrestling style that is very geared towards MMA like you can have a boxing style that's more geared towards itamae same for jiu-jitsu same for just about anything right I remember that you know some wrestlers early on in the early days of MMA there were wrestlers they were Olympic caliber making a transition to MMA and they weren't doing well yeah and then we could see tons of jiu-jitsu guys that you know try to make that transition same thing they didn't do so well and then you get guys you know speaking jujitsu I sure like guys were not they're not so Donder or not you know as dominant in BJJ as they weren't at male like guys like Nogueira yes career was it he was good at jujitsu but he was never like a top ten guy right but he was probably the most successful jujitsu guy ever make it a maybe one of UFC and a pride though right so I think it has to do with how you fight and how your original style translates into enemy yeah it's because I it's it's it's a different ballgame like it doesn't matter how you put like all wrestlers I think probably the ones out of all styles a transition best to animate if you ask me overall what a gray area there but like overall if you had to really press I think it's fair to say right and but even so like I imagine a lot of guys because they didn't think you know how good of a wrestler you are you like gettin punched the face you'd be super tough very well conditioned super athletic and then someone had seen the face in your break right away yeah and the fight like the one wrestler I could think I was an example that doesn't wrestle really well to be honest is Dan Henderson if you look at him he gets taken down like early if you watch really you see him prides he'll get taken down like easily he doesn't really do that he gets right throws in sometimes but I he's like the most unrest alert wrestler and him at me ya know for Tom like right hand yeah he doesn't know for his wrestling an enemy it's true true it's a he's a world-class Prez yeah no common thing to like I've seen so many guys is extremely true I'm not gonna mention names I used to train there back in a day and these guys come from collegiate wrestling you know outstanding records and you can see them slowly transitioning and to becoming strikers and next thing you know it's like I think they either losing their arrests it's like I can't speak for didn't Anderson but I was watching some of these guys and I could I trained with him for years and I think that the reason why it wasn't there bought this at their boxing got better to kickbox and got better is that they were actually losing their wrestling skills because skills is just very much like languages you'll forget them you lose them just like you'll forget your mother tongue imagine that yeah you don't think you'll forget to Jitsu so you know any kind of skill set your haven't proven or you lose it it's just a fact and I think a lot of guys on it because they can't stand wrestling anymore they feel that they're never gonna lose the skill set or maybe there's not a coach making him do all those drill that they hate in it or whatever the case a lot of guys lose their original skillset Vitor Belfort what does Vitor Belfort known for yeah he came from jiu-jitsu like he was like a national juvenile champion in Brazil as a blue belt you know back in 96 whenever that was and but like very early on has a memory even though he's always represented you Jitsu I mean he has like very few submissions like he was always known as a striker yeah I think that the first mental image that G kundo straight blast pretty much weakest but she couldn't ventilate until this day I think that's one of the most beautiful knockouts in history of the sport yeah but that was blank is that his straight from G code oh hey hey hey very very quickly I don't think he even has hands horizontal like like regularly like boxing yeah he had like wow he landed if you bent over talking about talking UFC Brazil 1998 right so this is old-school and early in the fight first minute right from from memory Vitor Belfort lands something on Vanderley and it rocks his head back it's the kind of thing that won some of that happens it's like okay I'm rocked and you know maybe the guy follows up with a combo but normally it stops and the guy recovers right yeah but Vitor Oishi I don't know have you read the situation very quickly I have to watch it again or if he'd already had that in mind but before the first punch comes back the second one's already coming out he just blasted family across the cage and drops him at the other end of the cage and boom out of the fight I was like what eight punch combo kind of thing and you know with the UFC being as crazy as it was in the early days there wasn't anything quite like that yet no there wasn't anybody who just literally machine-gun put somebody straight now true and it made him a legend yeah and even school phenomena yeah and but even even um you know like high-level boxers at the transition you have see they were not doing that yeah I mean very I mean how many boxers when they of seeing we're doing movie Thor was doing back in the day I can't think of anyone I mean there might be someone that actually was that dominant with their hands but Vito was really something else and under stage rated Minmei the striking level wasn't there's nowhere near where it is today but I something happened with that guy's box when he got it quick he just had a gift for it whatever the case very fast very athletic obviously but you know till this day I think he's very very impressive vietname is one of the most impressive and it made fighters of all time I'll tell you why he he I think he's had the longest career out of everyone I think his first fight at 16 he's like 42 now and still fighting was the last one so it's when he things have like who was fought as Mukund Danny Henderson he fought a lot yes I don't think his career was as long as Vito's because Victor started before your you know I never thought that probably but you're right man I'd look at the guys like Frank Mir and Frank smear been fighting forever he's not he hasn't been fighting as long as Victor I can't Randy could say you name Chuck Liddell find someone who's fought longer than Vitor Belfort I can't think of anyone yeah and especially because of how many like generations back really because he was like just after I would say like the first wave of UFC fighters yeah right because you had UFC one to like ten which was like oh yeah yeah it was very rough yes it was like a whole different sport like it really I think feel like the birth of the may in a lot of ways the modern MMA or 21st centur do you want to call it was after like you know Tito and they chuck at that right that's when a UFC really began it looks a lot more what it looks like today yeah but the early of C's even though to be they're more fun to watch to be frank I might rather watch boys Gracie and Aggie fighting a sumo wrestler or a boxer as much more interest it's more and more entertaining to me but like the it that it was a different arc almost like something completely separate when we're watching this yeah we were seeing a lot of style versus style yeah right so like you say it wasn't really an amazing it was mixed martial arts in the sense that there were different martial arts fighting each other but it wasn't one person in multiple disciplines yeah that really wasn't there yet you know at least anybody successful all the successful guys were strong specialists there we're just using the specialty to overcome everybody else yeah once Tito and then Frank Shamrock it started coming around those guys started to blend things well yeah it became more sophisticated for sure during that phase of MMA even know Vitor I mean he was I think he was before Tito right before school I gotta say Vitor was in there what UFC eight nine something like he was the youngest UFC champ everyone gives great John Jones credit but I do I guess it's different because sorry guys in water but you know it's it's a belts it's a weight system right but Vito Hallett a UFC belt when he was 19 he's never counted as the youngest John Jones gets that title but he thought at 19 he had a UFC belt the youngest champion ever yeah pretty impressive when fighting but less rules and less rules so it's definitely tank if you know because you still drink legend has it he would like drink couple beers before he walked out there that's a big old beer belly yeah he was actually a wrestler when he was in college actually he was Tito Ortiz his coach sort of like coming up I know like Tito Ortiz when he first got the UFC tank was in this corner oh I know that so they're both looking to the beach okay so there was a connection I'm not sure where it is or he just bumped into him and yeah there's a connection but yeah I remember that over there our tank had this led different knocking people the hell out because he was one of those first guys I've been also at that would just lay people out with one punch you super powerful guy remember that if I he [ __ ] this huge I think was a Hawaiian guy with a ponytail yeah I know the name lost the name he essentially Frankenstein this guy because he hit him with one right hand and the guy woke up with arms and legs up yeah I think I was one of those first crazy ass not guys like oh man you know just going back to this is because me Tori's weird strange to me because you know it's a jiu-jitsu guy from rivers and arrow remembers a country that doesn't have a tradition in boxing like you know now it's started by even wrestling Brazil's a thing I'll believe it or not but because of him in may in jujitsu but it doesn't have never had a tradition in boxing like UK or the United States for example right but I think Vito in a lot of ways was a byproduct of Carlson Gracie and the reason being it is Carlson is hands-down one of the most important characters not only BJJ but also MMA he was a guy who way back in a day when he was fighting like I think he did a much better job than everyone around him in understanding the importance of cross training disciplines right he was never an MA coach just like all you trained jiu-jitsu pure George it so like hoist Gracie was sold that way I'm a pure digit so I'm gonna grapple you and choke you and you know you may not like this style or whatever the case you know hoist Gracie was very important to the Perdue that he was the right guy at the right time for the sport to explode but Carlson Gracie who cornered hoisting his first UFC if I not mistaken he was far more advanced and the rest of the family in terms of MMA he had his guys box he understood the importance of wrestling industry perfectly well if he can't take someone down it's pointless to be an expert on the ground so if you look at like that first generation of MMA fighters out of Brazil if you pay close attention where were they fighting out of Carlson braces camp because Carlson like is always the guy was always a step a step ahead of the game that's why to me he you know such an interesting guy in the in the whole development of BJJ and MMA and I think Vitor was like the first big export product out of the Carlson Gracie team yeah that's interesting I don't know that he was in Carlson Gracie was in voices corner I thought the first or second or third you say you don't know which one it was I believe it was the first I think Hickson was there too legend has it that the reason why Horan cuz Hickson is always everyone knew that Hickson was the best one of the family at that time right like he was the best guy um that you know they say that all voice was skinned your Hickson was too buff and it wasn't the right cell we wanted someone who was skinny and unearthly that that was gonna be the best sales pitch to an American audience which makes perfect marketing sense yeah big athletic guy wins the fight not that impressive skinny unathletic looking guy wins right I have a different theory why that was I think that Orion because hoist was so young Orion could control voice' a lot of ways in the way he couldn't control him Nixon was the alpha dog he's like I'm not gonna you know what II mean you know you're my boss McCoy was like this young kid Hori and brought him over when he was like 17 and I think he was easier for him to be Boss his brother around just because he was less mature he was a lot younger I think that's the real reason other I think that if if they came down to it it would have been a smarter decision I'm more more likely you Jitsu to win if Hickson had been fight in the UFC and it turned out they didn't work that way knows probably for the better yeah for sure it is interesting that he said never got into the UC you know you would have you would have thought that they would put him in difference probably like you said he's kind of his own man oh yeah it's something to do with that thing there was like some contractual issue you were he was not allowed to fight here they you know they clash a lot yeah and it's it's not a it's not a friendly relationship it's on the outside they have to you know present themselves that way because it they benefit from that image of a tight tight knit group of people but in reality and one of those you knows a sport knows it's not that way I think there's some kind of contractile issue where he was not allowed to fight the US that's what he's never actually fought in the US that's why he went to Japan interesting thing argue no just building off of that the MMA scene in Japan kind of always existed you know to say that pride was a byproduct of the UFC which a lot of people think you know blow-ups and us and the Japanese go hole we're gonna create our version of the UFC it's not entirely true they had to shoot oh yeah shoot was MMA but just bigger gloves it's the only difference right so modify think some rules are slightly different he'll elbows but Dave but you're right they've been doing it but I think is I think a lot of people confuse it and it's easy to confuse it with the pro wrestling scene there as well there's a lot of overlapping works there are you know big fights and whatnot but some of them aren't you know it's hard to say which ones were legit versus which ones are I think with the whole achievement Yakuza connections to it kind of makes everything look good yeah and you know what's interesting is that you know I was just talking oh I well from from flow about this the other day and we're talking about how like things going full circle right fake fights are not new they were way back in fact catch catch wrestling in Brazil is the word they used to call pro wrestling the term pro wrestling Brazil doesn't exist no one uses it they use catch wrestling association between progress and catch waves in Brazil was so it was so established that they just that's what they called a catch if catch means fake right that's that's what they the term they use um but you know the Japanese were always into that and a lot of the Japanese that were coming over they were doing fake fights in Brazil to my today included my Edda in fact I think most of the surprise for prop fights were probably fake because they would sell more right the audience didn't understand fighting a fight can be boring to a lay audience but these fake fights in Japan always existed right and they're kind of coming back I think recently Sakuraba just had a fake match in Japan to be like a like a fakes you know stage to grab legs abyssion thing and Hickson did one with Hoyle err years ago in Pride for some reason of the Japanese audience whether they know or not that doesn't matter at this point really they they do buy it whereas in the u.s. it slightly difference interesting because it made crowded silk it's very different from the pro wrestling crowd because there is progress and yes it's huge but the MMA crowd there's a lot of crossover I can't see something fake in the UFC and the audience enjoying it whereas in Pride I could see that happening yeah I don't see UFC fans crossing over to WWE yeah I do see it going the other way though obviously because that's how Brock Lesnar became such a draw true so I think if you're like a hardcore WWE fan and then you see your favorite wrestler so it's whether UFC you have to be curious at what goes absolutely it wouldn't go the other way like Ronda is in the UFC really yep I a fan like making sure he follows Rhonda's pro wrestling career no one cares okay and then no one I didn't even know he was fighting for us and there you go yeah you know I it doesn't no one really cares and going back to Japan they've like that enoki Muhammad Ali fight in Japan one that take place I don't know the year but it was it was it was the same idea of the UFC let's present let's put two fighters from different styles and have them fight and see who wins so the UFC was important and it was the right organization at the right time I think it was necessary right was it new no way there's nothing new about the EOC these fights been going on in Japan and Zil for I should friend of mine so send me an article a while ago there were MMA fights in the US in the 1800s they weren't called anime obviously but they were basically no no no holds barred no rules guys are just like I mean good wrestle you can punch you could headbutt and this is in the 1800s I got to find the article if I sent to make it a while ago and as you thought it's interesting like we're just I mean if you really want to get historical bad you could to get back to the Greeks thank gracious pankration it's I was an inmate you know so it's interesting to me how history is cyclical my goes through like people get bored of one thing they go it's like an arms race and go to the next and then they go to the next and then next to get bored and then at some point they run out of things to do like you can't reinvent the wheel so what do they do they go back to square one and start all over again I could see an audience and I hope this doesn't happen to anime and BJJ but I could see an audience that is so keen on entertainment entertainment entertainment I could see I hope this doesn't happen but I could see something happen and wear fake match has become a thing again right like we're kind of like going backwards in a sense like oh we know it's fake but it's fun you know imagine we do a coordinated match where you do a flying armbar and then I get out and I do you know he'll hook on you and you get out and everything's coordinated and I would hate if that were the case but I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of happen at some point because you have people that are so Adam I'll be entertained at any cost oh I thought you wouldn't go a different dimension a darker one and that since we're going history I think they're going to go back to gladiator days where it's def Russia what they do they have like one where they have like medieval armor and weapons it's actually funny just first of all the Russians are totally insane thank you have you seen they have a team member me where they have 500 I think the whole thing first of all 505 is already bad enough right cuz you know the strategy always holds well should one person loses the whole team gets beat because you get a double team a triple team and then you know eCourse you just get destroyed but as if that wasn't enough they do a obstacle course MMA oh you seen that one wherever it looks like you're looking at old lake at the collodion game shows with yeah gladiators yeah American regulators gladiator yeah yeah they have these giant foam podiums and they start on top of these little giant foam things and they start fighting there so you see people slide down it's a guy you a daily with this it's not an you see some a strong from like one story for next stop it's entertaining though like that's the thing though I I could see myself watching that and then laughing III mean I watch the UFC to me it's like serious it's not funny you know but I'd watch something like that and like when I saw the medieval anime and it's a it's a ring and if you guys seen it or not but it's a ring and there's like those five on five and they're all medieval armor and they're just I don't know what the rules are but it's just it's hilarious to watch you know Russia I think there's like a series of videos on YouTube and I think it's like only in Russia or something like that and it's just like people doing crazy [ __ ] it's just like crazy stuff happen over and over they edit it into it a long five-minute video of like crazy [ __ ] happening on stuff is that apparently in actual fights there with swords there was a ton of babbling because the armor is very effective right it's kind of not like in the movies where like if you're wearing full plate armor and a cyclist or I was like how do you cut through armor does it work that way so they tend because that's why they say you have to find the [ __ ] in the armor right essentially like you have different plates so you can't go through the middle of it you have to be able to slide in between plates in certain areas you know and generally like the sides are weaker they're easier to get into because away there are beds I might be butchering this so here at history--and you're getting upset I'm just basically saying that there is a lot more grappling involved because is that Italy baingan eh and that the armored besides the steel plate has that reinforced leather banding or whatnot so that there's a male Gmail so there's padding as well so that's why the you'll watch some of these medial fights and though smacking the crap at each other the Hanna my good and my mindset go that's like an instant concussion but it's economic kind of having Pablo yeah yeah daddy you know said they could eat some shots I could see that and I imagine the grappling would be a big component in medieval warfare because you would get exhausted after a while you're walking okay think about swinging a sword or a hammer or an axe with nothing no wait you know for like two minutes and see how tired you get yeah imagine add the armor and the adrenaline and the fact that there's someone in front of you sometimes five people trying to kill you you gas out and I don't care how condition you are you would gas out in three minutes yeah and then after that what are you gonna do you probably drop your weapon cuz you can can you pick it up and you start just like leaning on people and it's it grabbed the match with armor on yeah which sounds like a horrible idea to me like I just want to take it off I can I drop it without this armor because you can't I mean you can kind of hurt them I never understood why like medieval warfare everyone's like the sword the sword like to me the swords like the worst weapon cuz you're right the armor you can't get through and this Europe you're the people you're fighting have no armor then it's different yeah but in like if you're fighting a knight a mace would make a lot more sense an axe would make a lot more sense maybe it's the arrow know if a spear will go through armor probably not I just don't see yeah I just thought my a the the sword is like kind of like I was like useless against or I want to feel like I understand then again most people weren't wearing that because his expensive velocity said it was like most of most medieval warfare probably took place like Knights killing peasants like that was probably unrecorded of unrecorded history there because you know what do you new you're a peasant got a pitchfork yeah every play one of those games were like you're a knight and you got to fight the other person's arms a bunch of kid Forks and you just why do video games like that it's like so much easier to you know if that's exactly what's happening you just like you know butcher them like nothing yeah what a different era I mean like whenever I watch movies like Braveheart or something and you see those giant battlefields and you just think for the perspective I'm this is one little dude with my pitch yeah lead you alive that's you know it I think that back in a day and an army with knights in armor would be a terrifying thing movies make it look like all it's an equal equal playing feel a thing in reality to be like you're doomed like what you gonna do you can't you can't like you're you're done you're you cannot win like one night will take out ten people yeah unless you could you know on a horse I mean Lee with I mean drag him down from the horse I guess would be the only strategy but like cavalry would be would have been terrifying you know must have been yeah I when I was reading a book a while ago and he was talking about how the transition from the the cavalry fighting style into modern warfare right were you know machine guns were being used during World War one and one reason why the Brits were having such a hard time defeating the Germans was because the Germans abandoned the cavalry this is not working let's get us machine gun out this is a much better this is a weapon than nullifies cavalry where the British out of there out of their pride or you know previous experiences finding other people who didn't have machine guns they kind of stuck to the old ways it's kind of like blockbuster trying to beat Netflix yeah it's one of those things like it's not gonna happen my friend you're gonna lose that fight but the Brits were adamant about trying to feed the Germans with cavalry they insisted for a long time and at some point they finally stopped but it was one of the reasons why for a minute there Germany actually had the the over hand in the war it's great yeah it's one of those people stick to strategies that aren't working we all do it you know we've made one a blockbuster atrani you know can't keep up with Netflix but I think we all do it I have my old ways of doing stuff and I just like refuse to change even though like I see that okay I know there's a better way probably easier way but it's too hard to change it's just easier to stick to what you know yeah yeah like you said you have a kind of a attachment to it and there's a it might be an ego challenge involved you know because what I always tell people my perspective is change is difficult not because the actual changes Changez simple its instantaneous when you decide to change the way you do something it's letting go the fact that you've been doing something wrong for X amount of years and you're gonna heady and admitting well I was wrong and essentially I'm stupid for like 20 years so now I'm gonna accept this change no I'd rather believe that I'm not stupid that there's merit to what I've been doing because otherwise how did I look back at these 20 years and look you know like I feel a lot of people hang on to their mistakes for that reason because the moment that they change its admitting there was a mistake made and like a lot of people's ego won't support that that makes perfect sense cuz I can see even from my speaking for myself I can see like yeah that thing that me flaws it's too hard to admit when you're wrong about something especially if it's something that you know you've been even kind mistake you can make it for a long time try to think of an example in jujitsu here I'm sure there's a few you know where you're going for a pass in a certain way and you just don't want to change because it's what you've always done in like someone's doing something different but I think it's interesting that's where the new generation of people I give you know young kids our time all the time because some me they're just like you guys are spoil as it gets I do sound like grandpa but I don't care it's how I feel you know they think they're Linnaeus are very very spoiled and everyone wants to get rich without working like everyone wants to be intrepid newer and I hate that [ __ ] like it the work man got a grind and you're not gonna you know but I think the one thing that you know throughout history the younger generations I've always done is that they always think of easier ways of doing things better ways more efficient ways because as we get over we get set in our own ways and that's why we need a young 20 year old kid is gonna challenge or delleneva sweep and come up with the Durham Bowl because if these things aren't happening we're stuck so in a lot of ways younger generations by challenging the old ways they're reinventing the sport or reinventing the art this happens everywhere technology every sport everyone whatever really look at it better ways of doing something whereas older generations get set in their own ways old ways you're absolutely correct and I think well the signs of people were we're very intelligent and rate why is it once I constantly are adapting you know that they never get set but you think for the most part most people at a certain point and I they feel like they're done learning or they're done like innovating like on this I've made my my castle and then I'm gonna stay here yeah and that even though that castle kind of protects you it also limits you because you can't grow beyond the walls right so I think intellectually it's kind of the same thing like you're you have a way of thinking and it worked for you and there's achieved a certain lowest test but then a certain point you stop and now you submit yourself you plant your roots so to speak but at that point you can't really grow much further you know where someone who's young or maybe who's lived in the castle like your kids at what men like okay this is nice but I want more now yeah they're no ones are able to push the envelope even though you might be thinking like you don't know what you're doing kid but like you need someone who thinks outside that box to be able to expand it because you're you're stuck in their ways and you're not gonna I think that a lot of like technology companies they they want to hire young kids because they have that otherwise the ambition or the vision the plasticity of the brain when you're younger maybe I say I think that when you're younger you're more creative in a lot of ways it's weird how this happens as you know I'm not as old as I am gonna sound right now 38 but um I remember when I was like my early 20s or even before that I started at 16 when someone showed me a move like visually I can conceptualize I could absorb that move-ins much as much I had nothing was difficult when someone showed me something it was always like got it like neo like my brain was absorbing information so much easier as you get older it gets harder to absorb that for some reason that's why I think that it has to do something I don't know what happens but like languages it's like that the older you get the harder is to learn a language yeah and and when I was younger like and I never had a hard time learning to move day it was always like got it got it got it there was no such thing as that hip throws I never got hit though but you know what now every now and then I seem some of these like crab ride transition the back came back to a beer in Beaulieu and on my wit a second slow that down and like I have to watch like four or five times and it still it's hard for me to absorb it and it's not just because it's more sufficient it's not the reason I really believe that's something to do with as you get older your brain is just less of a sponge you know it's harder to retain that information or make sense of it or I can't have I'm not me maybe your your your girlfriend would have a better explanation she's a psychiatrist Bobby studies a lot yeah those a lot well plasticity of the brain I would say from from a philosophical standpoint if you've read the book The Four Agreements I've heard of a great book from dumbigo Maurice and it's essentially there's two books I think everybody should read in life that's one of them and I believe that's a good handbook essentially for teaching you how to live life stress-free or as stress-free as possible and then the other book is thinking coverage by Napoleon Hill that's a successful they called Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill and that's a book for success and even though it says rich and you think on it's about money it doesn't tell you how to stop tape sir yeah I make money it just tells you how to be successful and it's got 13 principles that teach how to do that with The Four Agreements the start of the book he says he says that when you're first warned and you you're first achieved consciousness essentially there is infinite possibilities of what you could do in life because you don't know the rules you don't essentially are like a blank slate it's like a child you know a child sees somebody flying in the movie like oh I could fly it ah they don't know they can't until they they try yeah so infinite possibilities creates infinite well your infinite imagination you can imagine just about anything as you get older you start learning things and every time you learn something is saying to you to create an agreement with yourself that this is not possible or this is possible and there now Jesus like a door that's wide open when you're a child it's full of light and then as you get older the door starts to close because all the possibilities are starting to get narrow because now you know well I can't fly it you know and I can't play piano you know I can't do this I can't do that you know so it's I think that could factor into like how come as you get older you start losing imagination or you stop being able to be creative because you've learned so much it's limited you now because your knowledge kind of burdens you know that makes a lot of sense whereas when you're younger you know like why can't you do it I guess he said one of the experiments if you ask a kid can you play the piano he's like let me find a piano if you asked like an older person in like can you play a piano it's gonna be yes or no yeah they played it or they haven't played it as a no yeah right so I think there's something more adventurous about a child's nature to where they're excited to see the world in a way that we're not my daughter's wake up at 6 a.m. yeah you know they wake up at 6 a.m. they're excited about they don't want to go to sleep either you know and I'm not like I want to stay in back for as long as I can you know like I'm not that excited about the world anymore right I think that some either as we get older my frustrations and some you know you life is about there's a lot of suffering our life's you and there's a lot of frustration that comes from that and that creates all sorts of other issues and I think people at some point they start like becoming less adventurous right and we started losing that for whatever reason and I think that there's some fears that are created at some point oh I failed at piano so I'm not gonna try the guitar no the best example but like you know I think people start like getting their heads if they can't do stuff whereas you're right if you have a child you play the piano the the traveling yeah give me the piano they were like back now that didn't their head they're playing they don't know how to play like in the sense that you know but like they would play the piano the way they're yeah I'm playing the piano yeah right but child is not the children don't get scared and intimidated about just about anything no you know like ice always like trying stuff I'm not talking about like you know did he ever was terrified of spiders but like you know they given things like you can't you can't intimidate my daughters into not trying a new game not trying a new instrument not trying a sport and I just know I'll do it yeah you know that we would lose that I guess as we get older I think it's a learned behavior right pretty much based on the responses of their life like you've they went to do the school play and then they got humiliated you know then it's gonna exactly and now that door closed yeah you you you it that's exactly did you give the example you get humiliated at something you try out I'll give an example I I did a Hapkido competition and when I was like eight nine years olds the first martial art I've ever practiced and it didn't go well I got my butt kicked but for some reason I like I feel like before making fun of me and it kind of created a mental block and I had a lot of ways like I didn't want to do anything competitive for a long time it was only one I found jujitsu that I wanted to do things competitively again I didn't mourn mountain bike race when I was like 16 I think that was it I just didn't want it to anything competitive and then at some point I kind of snapped out of it but I I ruined for a long time but just because I associated competition with humiliation yeah and I think some people just never I judge it so kind of saving it that way but it's now like I love competition but it becomes a block for a lot of people I guess for sure you know I mean men before I started doing wrestling and whatnot I was dreadfully shy extremely and the scene here that I started wrestling I remember I read an English paper in front of a 20-person class and I had to stand up and hold the paper and you all you could hear is the rattling of paper that my hands are shaking that's funny it's so embarrassing you like looking back oh my god like is this reading like one paragraph I was just so dreadfully shy you know and why I'm a fear of judgment uh because that's what pretty much everybody's worried about yeah right like in social situations you feel you to be judged negatively right like people gonna look at you all he's a loser he's stupid he's weak you will you know fill in the blank yeah whatever you're scared about but like it's a fear of other people judging you I think what competitions doesn't bring in have you particularly the martial arts is that you stop focusing on everybody else and you start focusing on yourself and now once you're your own judge and you don't care about what other people think it's very liberating because then you can just do whatever you want and you don't have to worry about external like voices so you've got to learn how to not give a [ __ ] yeah basically and III and I'm good at that for the most part reports me they're worried about him people think you know you know some things more than others but for the most part I guy I try to live like that I have it in my head and I to the most part I don't care but I think there's always some things that we care about what people are gonna think the trick is to get rid of that because those are the things that hold you back it really is fear of judgment or s'alright what are people gonna think if I get it wrong if I fail if I lose if I look stupid if I sound stupid I was that guy who I was very shy too interesting you say that because I think your story like hearing like that the paper yeah I not that bad but like probably like a little bit better than you but I was super shy and I didn't like to be around like talk to you like large groups of people like stand in front of a classroom was terrifying yeah and at the point we do the same thing I teach seminars it's like its second nature there's not my heart rate does not go up one bit I guarantee you but I can get in front of an audience of 50 people or 5000 people it makes no difference to me I have no issues talking to people but I truly believe that you just did that maybe many teaching class I guess got rid of that solve that broadcast teach yeah it's an audience of like twenty thirty people you've got a week and then it just becomes second nature it was a great school to you know lose that fear well the thing I learned about it because this is what you said like when you start doing jujitsu you start teaching class I know for me it was pretty easy when I started teaching class right I'm like huh come it's easy to do it in this context where I'm in the math teaching people but when I was in school when I was doing a presentation I was terrified I am the difference was confidence right and I think most part Hickory when you're in school you're doing your presentation I think most people are very unconfident what they're doing is a lot of them get trusted memory a lot you don't understand the pathway you're relying on them be right back we see like I'm talking about something I really don't know you know I'm just pretending that I don't let's talk to no one notices that I don't know what I'm talking about just like you can't bust me right yeah exam very confident what I'm doing and so much so that if you did find something I'm genuinely interested okay how did you know like you said it it's not gonna bother me because I don't feel weak I'm not uncommon about my martial arts I'm very confident about it yeah you know so if you had something they brought something out of me now we're gonna learn something together or something right but like we're in school and you're doing presentations and like two days no it is and you're Jerry bringing something together you're not confident at all and the consequences seem to be a lot more stark when you mean you're being judged my grades ABCE yeah that's a really good point I think big part of the shyness came like I don't know what I'm talking about yeah that's interesting so they give you know what you're talking about you're not you're not as shy like if you if you ever want to get a kid out of their shell you talk to them about what they like right like uh actually one of the guys I was working in one of my houses he was telling me about I think I mentioned before about his son this son was you know very shy the friends are what that and he was talking to us on the phone and of I had given him some advice about weight lifting her son and then the son heard about it because oh it's that David I can I talk to me I don't think I'm talking to the kid I never met before uh what do I talk to him about about weight lifting because I notice what he likes and then he was asking me all sorts of questions tough seem shy right I'm speaking to him on his outfit right it's just like if I was going to talk to somebody who's a nerd who played games I'm not saying it negatively buddy who's playing video games all the time we played Dungeons & Dragons we were kids if I try to talk them that person about girls or dating or social stuff they might be like let me talk to me about you know whatever video game and there's one that's famous I don't even go there I think people been using this trick with me my whole life I just realized I'm the awkward guy because I talk about where you like oh no this one my life's been flashing before my eyes no I remember like so many situations I'm normally in the jujitsu MMA bubble right so I'm always confident people know who I am every now of them in an environment where no one knows a thing about anime no one knows a thing about BJJ no one cares yeah and I'm most super uncomfortable right just the dynamics just changed dramatically plus like maybe I'm spoiled used to being the boss yeah I'm used to I'm in the gym all the time I people know who I am and everyone respects me you want an environment no one knows you are you don't get that it's different kind of feel it's which is good you should get that reality check you know like sometimes you get in your head and like start thinking you're you know more than you actually are so I'd like to throw myself out there but it's interesting because I think people noticed that I don't know how to talk about anything but fighting and they maybe so do you like how long you've been doing UFC and I'm like you know people have no idea about anything other sport but it looks like I'll thank God yeah we can you know I can actually be part of the party but I think that people they get too into things like jiu-jitsu and maybe come like that like I don't add they're very other things I mean I like you know like my books I like history I like some other topics you know I talk about politics all day but for the most part like I'm not good at small talk I don't I'm just not good it's like people started small talking at a party I'm like no what can idea what to say everyone laughs so laughs I'll be the last one laughing I'm that guy and I can't even keep up but yeah it's interesting like because I that's exact we should bring someone others should I guess it just make them comfortable yeah just get them talking about what they like to talk about yeah what they're into what they're passionate about and then you can draw them out of their their bubble and what's her out you'll find then you can pull them into other things that they normally wouldn't get into because they would be afraid of being judged but now that you've already seen that they're that they have competency in one area they're they're not as shy to learn about something up particularly if they're competent in something but you're not yeah because now they go I'm an expert at this so it's okay for someone to know something more about something else yeah right I mean I hang around my girlfriend she's a psychiatrist very smart and she's not like your typical doctor that she knows about everything and she's like she is diagnosed three different people on my family who my dad we ended up having cancer that nobody knew before she figured it out my grandmother had some imbalance that doctors weren't able to figure out and she figured out over the phone they she's like I call her house doctor house because she couldn't make these diagnoses up they got a Finnair but uh if I try to talk to her about medical stuff and try to act like I know what I'm talking about it's ridiculous you know like nothing yeah I should pick you apart yeah yeah and I go occasionally I go with her like she goes to you know office meetings or whatever a lot of doctors and I'm coming in here martial arts guy if you have an engineer degree but like I know so little while electrical engineering even though I graduated top of my class well this is one of those guys like a memorize things exceptionally well you know my my is it serious because there's stuff going on here that like wiring problems like I could learn anything fast I like um I like that by meeting people like if sometimes like I'll be like going back to like a you know a new environment right which I enjoy do it I like to challenge it's always easy for me because I could be the guy bombarding you with questions to if you have an interesting job yeah like I can bombard your girlfriend with questions all day she get like please stop asking me questions right give that I was out for dinner I was at a seminar and there was like sitting across the table was a doctor and a physicist I don't know stable from me I like off we were talking all night I just would but just stop asking these guys questions right things I don't know because I'm generally interested in things and a little about these things but they're very interesting to me right yeah so I have to do like what kind of environment you're in to do like that's the other thing I think sometimes we end up putting ourselves in environments where you're not we don't have anything to learn anything about it's like that old saying you know if you're the smartest person in the room you're in the wrong room yeah right and I I actually really enjoy being in an environment where like I would love to go to a party like that with all doctors I just probably worry a little bit I mean asking a lot of stupid questions but to me they're not stupid because I don't know them right but I can literally just like bombard someone with questions about the medical field all day I love the topic I just yeah sighs loaded this is a thing I always say it every seminar like when people start asking a question like look there's no such thing as a stupid question only stupid people okay ask your question yeah I think you have to be able to humble yourself right just like we do in the in the martial arts when you're gonna learn a seminar you're gonna go under someone and teach I mean be taught you know are attend a seminar you don't want to be the guy it's oh you know judging or second-guessing the coach or whatnot you should go in there with an open mind okay show me what you know and I'm gonna shut up and absorb everything you're saying and then I could determine afterwards was this legit knowledge I can use it or is this stuff that maybe it's not going to use that yeah that's a super important ability to develop I feel like some people lose that and it's interesting to me because I I brag about having an eye for fighters okay and and I think that a lot of times will then realize it or not because I'm looking at like personality traits and one of them is curiosity I noticed that like for something I got some something they may guys come to a gym I started in a program again recently and some of the guys are coming in and I just feel this god never I'm never gonna people help this guy it's like you're told to do something and they're like immediately either challenging you and telling you to do it different or they this way is better this is how the if there's a reason why you can't do it my way for example I'm like okay and I always notice that the ones that are all constantly making progress they go they're really paying attention and then you see them trying what you just show them right whether it works or not as a different story but they're constantly trying I think that's one of the most fundamental you know aspects that you know anybody that spiring fighter can have is the ability to be constantly curious they're always curious about everything you'll have to agree with everything you're gonna have like okay you know you do your Kim or you're aware do it my way that's why that's normal but like you have that curiosity of going what is that like why this way why not this way ask the question and see if you can relate to it enough to absorb new knowledge right versus that bag guys full of pride is like no I do it this way then they're set in their ways a lot of instructors are like that this is how you do it Allah evil imagine if people were doing that that never changed right imagine that people weren't challenging that we wouldn't have broom bowls now right so you need to be that like we'll come back to curious mind of a child you gotta be questioning you're not in a disrespectful way but the back of your mind has got to be a why why this way why don't you what are you doing right the the exchange of information just telling me about a second ago that's so important for people to keep I cannot emphasize that enough yeah before - but I've had white belts I think I'd only one of my guys show me the moves from a pro wrestling Japanese game can I use it works yeah no but like if I would have been a little more arrogant like they go look then the guy told me straight up I saw this in a Japanese pro wrestling game let me show you you immediately disqualified yeah out of it no don't waste my time don't waste my time white belt like I would have lost a move that I've used a lot you know so like you said it's just being open-minded let everything come in and then process and then decide okay is this useful information or not because at the end day it's useful to learn it know that exists all right if you don't even open up the possibility then you just shut that door all right so knowing something doesn't work is just as viable or so he says I'm more valid but knowing what does work so I had like when I go to a class to be taught I listen to everything even though I like I remember you with it I think the first class that knit under you here I think I was doing the seminar when they first came in but I went to where your classes and you were just teaching to a basic stack I'm like okay I know this pass I've done a lot of times but let me see how Robert does it yeah because I want to see what's different because I know there's gonna be something different there was something that you did different that was beneficial that I helped yeah that's better but if I would have been like oh I know that's already okay we'll do that like when they went to teach you something yeah they okay they're tuning off and they're they're talking about you know chatting I'm like if you're not pulling this off a hundred percent every time you should be tuning in and even if you do you should because there might be something that you missed or are you gonna teach one day and you want to have the options give you options to your students yeah so you do something differently I still want to learn even if I don't use it for myself because the way you do it might be the way that's gonna make more sense to my student when I teach it and it's so interesting you say that but the guy you just described is exactly the guy it doesn't matter how talented he is it doesn't matter how much he trains how disciplined he is how all the things are in place but there's that little component there that deep like wade in there the guy is arrogant he may be humble and then later in the outer layer at the surface but deep down he's so arrogance like you can teach me I got this right and I it's interesting but I get that from purple belts which suggests to me that it really is a personality trait and it's like deeply seated it's not because he actually knows because in the back of his mind he thinks I got this right he's like this it's like the supreme sense of overconfidence that they don't really see as overconfident I think it's actually the opposite I think it's lack of confidence that is guarded by a display of overconfidence yeah right because I'm very confident in if you're gonna ask me sent about the Kim Wong I'm extreme confidence till willing to listen to anything I think someone's gonna teach a kid more class okay let me watch yeah like if I was gonna listen to somebody else's keyboard thing and then let me see what they're doing and see if I can find something that I could use you know how or maybe something that I can afterwards to tell this guy hey adjust it this way you know like you couldn't if you want if you're open to it I can show you how to make this little bit no mom buy it sorry if I was I'm confident with myself and I saw like Oh somebody teaching a quinoa and I'm like no I'm not gonna listen to this crowd this is my game I know this to me that's showing like I'm not that confident anyway so I have to shut it off completely because if I learned something from you what does that me about me I've been looking at why I'm not the Kimura master like you see so I see somebody who shuts off he goes a little fragile right they feel like they know so much they become uncoachable and like you said those type of people you can't do much with them and it makes me question why are they here then because if you're not willing to listen to everything your coach is gonna tell you and you're gonna start second-guessing him yeah that's not the guy you want to roll it you gotta find a new coach to go I agree that would be like going to war with somebody that you and you're putting your life in your hands and you second-guess sir like the general and you second got some all the times I dude don't go to war with this guy that's not a good strategy so you're not gonna second-guess it is gonna cost you now that you put it this way I want to add one thing I think I want to reward what I said they're not it's not that just there beyond coughing overconfident they're a bit delusional there's an element of delusion there right like you just you're you believe your lies so much you've convinced yourself and you're so comfortable around that little lie that any information that tries to penetrate through that lie and go like this is BS you guard yourself against it yes you shut your cell you put this big shield and you don't no no no no no no it's as my car like you are questioning mine higher being here this is my character my personality that you give you and it's too difficult to confront it right I and I've met people like that and they're so set are always so confident about some things and that justa that the I did you begin to question it like they get really angry they don't like to hear it like it's just like this they have a protection mechanism against their that's a fragile you go I guess it isn't security you're right deep down in your secure Ian but like they they wrap it up with a lot of delusion like they would distort reality to believe I have one specific person but don't distort reality to make themselves feel good about how the world is and it's like but you're living in this alternate universe like this is not how world is or how people perceive you or who you are yeah but yeah it's there's something that people like that sometimes something off about them too for sure you know I've seen it you've seen it you know it comes around a lot and unfortunately not anyway does the martial arts is what I would consider a martial artist right like to me some of us a martial artist truly is always embracing your knowledge right they're always willing to learn to get better it doesn't matter where the information comes from or how was made like if it works let's apply this so we can grow you know if you're worried about who the information is coming from or how it was disseminated then you're more concerned about appearances and you know I think it's a more of a vanity thing right like that's what I like you can know so much the philosophy to me was very appealing it's just like learn anything that works we use like that's practical that's an automatic again yeah you know try not to take well it has to come from this guy because he has a lineage and you know I think no let's let's cut the crap right let's use what works in it's gonna be effective in a real combat situation if you're worried about people watching you like I'm thinking this thing I've seen people that there's a seminar going on and they are actively showing disinterest in what's going on because other people are watching them right and then they look they were interested that means they're learning from this guy he's a right ice I've caught that before yeah it's late they have to show like others yeah like oh this guy is cooler than everything he doesn't need to learn from this guy we're bringing in for a seminar or whatnot right it's just you just made a comment second about Jeet Kune Do and I want to take you back to that you guys I want to ask you something yeah I I like that I that's exactly how I see things to me this old-school new-school debate is [ __ ] does it work it's all that matters right it's the only relevant question in martial arts is does it work all right if it's working absorb it guy like Bruce Lee I feel like he was ahead of his game ahead of his time for sure like he was you know he saw that ground was you know a central component and I believe he probably was a very intelligent martial artist you know variety of different ways there's no way in my opinion you could have created a MMA as it is today no matter how much thought and how much genius he may have had he could have not had done it have done without this MMA could not exist without a laboratory like UFC because it's a trial a place for trial and error like your experience no matter how much of a genius you are or how much experience you actually have you cannot account for every single little possible situation in a lifetime yeah a place like the UFC comes along comes along and it's like the combined experience of hundreds thousands of fighters just everyone's you know there everyone's adding something everyone's adding something that back and even it's just the error the error is a lesson right like this doesn't work and then everyone's watching it isn't working it never works it never works it never works again it's weed it out right it gets cut out of the equation but no come on comes along they do something it's working it's consistently working it's working more than the other way people are doing things it gets absorb so it's a selection process do you think that it would be possible to ever create an efficient martial art or an efficient set of techniques and this I'm talking about imagine like your team or a game for example right could you have done that just by thinking about it without practical experience no I don't think so and I think that's pretty much for everything like your ego in order to be able to put something that's practical that works without field trials it seems ridiculous right ridiculous yeah it would be the equivalent of trusting a scientist to make a serum like to cure some disease without ever testing it yeah it's just okay here's the first batch go for it go for it yeah it's a check yourself with it oh yeah before they go we don't testing no we're just doing right yeah this is what's in me like the trial and error of being on the mass every day you know you learn digits you don't learn jujitsu by thinking about you just I think it's important exercise to think about it but you the way you learned your jitters by failing I think failing is a feeling as the key word here it's not my winning because winning is that pat on the back I did so good I'm the awesome I did I was flawless today losing is how you teach it so you fail you learn away how not to do it you just close that door you move on to the next one right and I just don't see you creating any kind of methodology without practice and sometimes like you know people talk like all the theory without the practice like in philosophy they do this whole time it's like what is that like it's just a bunch of [ __ ] words balance isn't work in reality no what are you guys talking about you know I it's just not interesting to me I am like I'm like all bow like that's why I love the UFC is what's the best thing that's ever happened martial arts it's like right there guys all this stuff to you all this stuff you've been practicing your thought was gonna work put it in the back in the cage let's see if it works and it doesn't we know what works now exactly yeah that's what you need and that's that's why there's been such a growth in the martial arts now because we have the malla testing field where we can go out and see what works and what doesn't before anybody thought their own thing was great right everything karate guys that karate was excellent you know wrestler it's not better thing it wasn't until we brought them into the testing field and how we could see oh you know what doesn't really work that way yeah yeah it's just like I have and you know I think we thought a way for that how we can dream stuff up and we have a dream moves they call they dreams usually though I could see this will work I'm okay but then when I actually go and try the eye it can't work but you can't fully but I mean maybe if you were that got crazy genius and you're gonna come for every variable maybe a lot of experience maybe maybe yeah but it's really difficult and that's only like a unique situation doesn't happen all the time yeah evenly yeah if I growing a business like we try to account for every situation and there's no way I could sense it so I'm gonna put a new business plan together you're very experienced businessman thinking could probably shut down most of the variables and like this is what are we gonna do and you can predict most things that could possibly happen or like a very experienced attorney right in an agreement I think the best attorney in the world still like there's still a whole it there somewhere yeah you can't ride a bull like completely perfect contra there's something in there there like someone who might be able to explore and that's how jujitsu is do you can't like factor every situation that's why it's left for trial and error and future generations to continue to test that technique and perfected and I think that's why it's a great point I think it's why people have to be unafraid to go out and try don't you know because failure is part of the package if you and it's like sometimes like as a coach has come it's scary to put some of the competition for the first one because you don't know how people gonna handle that loss yeah right because if they're ill equipped to handle loss and they lose they might feel that humiliation that we talked about the very beginning and just stop altogether and shy away from anything ever again and that would be like the worst thing that could they could do really because now they've essentially I I consider anything that you do out of fear especially an irrational fear would be very debilitating towards being your world as a human right like there could be things you should be scared of for a good reason right like I shouldn't be scared of a gun pointing at me because yeah I mean I could die right but if I was just definitely afraid of a picture of a gun that would be silly yeah right that would be an irrational fear and if you compete and you lose and you get humiliated that to me is an irrational thing right like everybody loses I can ask people more than half the people in this room are vets are going to lose now I got 16-man bracket essentially 15 lost all right one guy made it without losing yeah so the majority are losing so why are you taking in so much harsher than everybody else and we have the old judges of what that by thinking you have to realize that everybody loses I think people are so in their little tunnel they only think about themselves and they forget that anybody has a shared experience is I think that's what makes it easier to take a loss when you don't feel like you're the only one losing right because people in a sense don't want to be that unique when it can be seen natively right like people like being equal it's considered a great thing where they go you're the winner of the tournament that's amazing but if you're the guy that got flying on board in three seconds that's something guy yeah you want to be remembered as right and that happens I got beat by an armbar like anything in 15 seconds I did one key time in my life did I tell you this no idea the first came in the gym when I asked you like Amy we got a belt that's come out would you put aggie on the belt test like Robin put it on like three times I hold on yeah he's not gonna put a G on we actually competed in a gear like that's news of the dice I was maybe like four months training here's the habit and he's like oh there's a stage it was IBJJF state championship in our land oh okay 2001 yeah and he's like oh you guys should compete in it okay and then and then coming for the wrestling might sound like whoa and I'm wrestling what even was a high school I competed the open division which is men's division I was not supposed to compete there but like I always fight the toughest guy yeah like Oh what about we're competing in black Bell of course like no brainer I'm gonna fight the best guy see what happens I'm 18 you've been trained for four months yeah okay and then I remember Spalla Castro was the coordinated event and they were asking us all sorts of and they're connected like why the hell they make is it a big deal you know and when we get to the tournament everybody's warming up and you don't really warm up this is 2001 yeah anyways like this little twirly right yeah and me and my brother warming up like wrestlers high crotch and double legs they thought you were crazy that's right you know there's a lot of noise and stuff and then when they start calling the men's black Bell divisions it suddenly becomes as quiet as a tennis master it's me my brother and then two other guys and Pollock Krasner would want him I forgot the other guy was a some big dude and I think I was the first guy to go up maybe and I felt Hollow and again a big pin with a key you start the match he literally just grabs a sleeve pulls me into an armbar it's like a quick tap I'm like this is humiliating and then my brother fought him next and he did much better than me but at some point they were just on the out of bounds line and my brother stepped out of bounds and I guess he thought I bounced he stopped and then this guy threw him on the hard court hip throw concrete basketball court that's well for Wow boom land by the solar plexus my brother go do some funny [ __ ] yeah and we recorded our matches yeah and VHS you gotta put that on social media now yeah watch them go find the tape and then we after me my brother wants to match and we're at a Wendy's eating like a frosty whatever and this [ __ ] cracking up and then like a week later like some people that would have ended their experience right like yeah that was my first competition experience and both of us had a humiliating loss is I got flaming our bread he got knocked down you know and the next week I fought Popovich and the shoot fight and beat him you know shoe fighting is in my so it was in Florida back to that MMA rules like kind of so this all the shoot at least in Florida there were always different rules like some of them were open hand yeah he could kick and either the help only I don't know you fought Pablo yeah yeah this is no one of those I find me no title to is really really same tournament so I was supposed to fight somebody else and then they didn't show up and then Pablo was there Pablo was doing matches and he was a brown belt at the time so he stepped things oh okay I'll fight and it was this rule were pretty safe there was no striking to the head at all anything goes below elbows punches knees but you couldn't touch the head so it's like slightly like he be high that thing really right yeah but I remember so I fought him and then it was a timid around went straight them in around and I want on a decision I think I want because a ground pound because Emer I took him down and he went to the close guard he did this from his close guard yeah I'm like I guess you don't train ground I guess I started ripping up and then anything for a day forget you couldn't do it oh yeah I guess he didn't think it was a big deal whatever then afterwards he realized he had the colored body it was some good the submissions going both ways I try to heal him he try to kill more me and it was a good match I was exhausting how'd you win that decision decision so me my brother and my coach or the only three guys of my team and then his team was essentially a Brazilian contingent like a hundred people there yeah so when he lost they did not like it at all there was a lot of rather than yelling and people were going nuts and then I remember it was like you know we're house is getting all the thing in the weight room and I was lying on a bench and my coach goes to me hey you got one more fight my way - no no it was just one match anything no no you don't understand if you don't fight this next guy we're gonna have to find the parking lot because they're not gonna leave without you fighting again so is it it was a one match thing they made you fight again that same day even though it was not really mogera yeah but he wasn't fazed he just spotted rings okay so okay so this was just 2000 he doesn't want okay so I didn't know who he was I just saw some tall guy and I thought he looked like this kickboxer that I saw on the local circuit oh my god is a kickboxer I'm just gonna take it grandpa yeah and I shot and got a single leg and it just hanged on this leg for like five minutes and he was just like hitting me all over the place eventually got a rear naked choke tapped me out I was like that guy wasn't as good as the other guy it was it was like no idea and then like not long after that he blew up and on the price yeah yeah so then I think he moved back and then he started fighting Warren got big and pride but I just remember him and I got to train with his brother at some point you know I got feet like paddles man like they're so long yeah I remember I just kept seeing feet flying at me trying oh that went that but it was like different area you know by that hey again I went from bringing it back I went from losing like ten seconds till ago keep armbar you know that could have been my head in my just experience but then I went next day and I fought freakin be Pablo and taro and I went on a TCC right so yeah well you gotta find a balance right between like you got a care but not care to I think when you when you sometimes when you care too much it swims lay and that that was me like I cared so much it sounds like a problem like you got a key calm the [ __ ] down man like you know it's okay if you lose right you gotta be somewhere in the middle and then people just don't care at all right you want to be somewhere maybe not in the middle more closer to caring but not to the point where it's gonna stop you from competing again right it's that's that you don't want it to be something that this encourages you you want it something that gives you you know the the to push the incentive to like okay that wasn't my day but you know with that guy I gotta get that guy that's the guy he beat me I want to get him back right um but Dave arm I think it's time for I get going this was a good show I enjoyed it I hope you guys had fun this is much better set I don't know if it's the light the space back I think it's a space I like it a lot more so it's gonna work out pretty nice yeah we're gonna we're working on some guests here for the next few episodes and yeah I had a blast thank you Dave thank you guys for watching we've got some suggestions recently so if you guys got more suggestions please send send them our way and yeah share with your friends or the word and we appreciate it thank you thank you [Music]