BTG 25 - Trust and Labels

[Music] hey guys what's going on David I'm on human Robert Drysdale for a night edition of the break in the garb podcast we're actually on number 25 oh wow one quick man yeah yeah we missed last week Robert was actually in the Europeans we're now he's actually has two of the top competitors of the world to the bit panas and number one you get Andrew really good they're actually oh I just got him a superfight in the UK with Pantheon and they nice actually going against each other yeah they're Filipino beat him the first time okay it's a rematch I'm sorry and he actually had a really nice win triangle a triangle armbar I think it was yes trial Keenan Cornelius and then Luciana mata Mata was the number one female verbal division yeah congratulations man that's a thank you that's a pretty awesome accomplishment you know the funny thing is like we always want to give her social credit but then there's like the [ __ ] part of me that's the total [ __ ] to myself I can't be happy for myself it's like I didn't do that you know and we the kids have Luciana a little bit more because she's been with us for quite some time and but like her husband is her teacher Diego I helped a lot you know but he's her real coach and in with Phillippi that's all kavacha i really make sure to give kavacha credit which is quite impressive you think about it because the number one in the ranking now Nabi Jeff Rankin is Phillippi right and number two is boo Shesha they're both cabacas students oh that's never been done before I don't that's never been done before number one and two in the world have the same coach yeah you know so he may not come back there's always get that recognition as a good coach but he really is an outstanding coach is that coincidence right when you have the top two guys with the world it means that to me that means he has a good formula I guess a good system and it's able to crank out top athletes you know what it's funny like we talked about this a million times day but like it's the formula to be a good coach and it's there's a so many different ingredients I think you have to have an eye for it because he found Philly B as a blue belt he found Bush as a wipe you know like you and I think I have an eye for it but like it's very difficult to bring them up through the ranks I actually think that the technical side is easier even though everyone think that's all the work the technical sight to my opinions a lot of user it's the social side is putting up with people [ __ ] but I don't have the patience for like kavacha does it really well and it's not he knows when to put the hammer down like that's what a good coach does I'm not you're not supposed to put up with it you know when to put the hammer down with people and that's a skill and that's what makes it work like the coach is supposed to be the boss and like this is what you're gonna do today and this how it's going to work because at the end of the day your athlete has to trust you if he doesn't trust you you lost them yeah and then that it's actually detrimental to ever that the whole relationship stops working for sure you know that's one of those things like an athlete trust you they don't this is a question every judgment you make and they or the instruction that you teach the strategy you give I know we've both seen it where you have a very promising guy he rises up really fast ego grows faster than the humility and then suddenly he starts questioning like oh I don't think I should do that I should do this instead I need that extra coach I need this or that and at that point like well I can't coach anymore because you don't trust me you don't trust me and that's what I tell my guys like if you don't trust my instruction or the instruction of your coach you gotta find a new coach yeah cuz it's over like and and the funny things that better fighters get the mores to their own detriment because the more they feel like they know better and all of a sudden they're questioning everything and then when the more they do that the more that tremenda their career because they were better off when the coach was given him well if you find a good coach he gives it a good guidelines like that's a winning recipe man you don't change that yeah you know and I think that's so uh that's such an underrated aspect of the coaching game like people don't realize that but I mean going back to carvaka he does that really well he's got a lot of good guys a lot of good guys can live his camp like if you look like a lot of big names and what else Europeans was fantastic that was a great event it was a good amount of buzz about that show and I can was you messy and the big guy safe safe oh yeah yeah huge they couldn't pick I feel from Mikey because man I know it whenever I'd done absolutely always threw me the heavy weight but at least I am you know every talking about there's more you're a big guy you know that small hundred pounds more or less so like I can still I scale up pretty well yeah but when you're like Mikey sighs like he's like what 130 or something like that and not even man yeah and they put him not just a heavy weight an enormous heavy weight you know in a thing though the bracketry let people give idea Jeff [ __ ] but it's really his computer it's a software it used to be it used to be hand picked and this is what used to happen like so I don't know if you know this wrong but like they the day before the open oh yeah head coaches would get together the main teams right than once every coach to participate but if you didn't have a guy who had a shot you normally didn't show up right there's no other people they had someone one or two competitors that had a good shot and there it was like a yelling contest and whoever could yell the loudest would get like this top seed basically but it was loosely based off accomplishments and fiber grisel always won because he had a deepest voice that's my theory make [ __ ] count believe it or not and then you know he would always win these arguments so his guys always had the best seeds and like Andre would leave the room pissed off I'll be like okay you know it is what it is and yeah half the other guys would be pissed off too what no one was perfectly absolutely about the system that you get points per tournament that you win right and every year that goes by the years previous tournament is they're worth less and less so right so you have like an internal rank and then then the software like spits out the bracket so there's no more argument yeah well now that there's a they're always pushing at least to see flow grappling always putting the rankings up on social yeah yeah so now you can make seedings easy because they're already there yeah already no get one point so but everyone would think that Mikey and the big guy was like that on purpose because we use the lightest guy in the open and he winning as the heaviest in the first fight you know but it really was a coincidence but uh it definitely made for entertaining match and then him and Ali went at it which I was great man great magic they're not safe ends up beating Holly later on and they're heavyweight division I didn't see that why that sounds it right I know Keenan beat Ali he had this weird grip me had this he had Lee's foot wrapped in the lapel for the entire match like I'm so try understand you can see that he was stopped leave from doing what he wanted to do but it was this weird thing where he used his own lapel to control Ali's leg and he was just like manipulated Italy around with the lapel it was a weirdest thing man and but he had a really good match with elite then I'm forgetting who else god you lost a Philly P in the open and then it was Cornelius and uh and Philly did a final well it's a good showing also for Kenan he said I don't think he's competing one of these for a while if I'm not mistaken I think the last time I competed I mean gjf would have been I can't keep up yeah you're right he's been he's been absent from I know he's got a lot of stuff going around and you know these guys are school and all that and still able to show up with the top dogs a hundred percent I think he's not Stan and he's such a gentleman to like I really like him because you know he has he has proven that you don't have to be trash-talking insulting your opponents and diminishing people's work to be successful financial success he does really well his online sales he does really well I mean his Academy's probably is doing well by now you know I'm assuming it's a very smart guy very business oriented but he's also a really nice guy yeah you know it's totally possible people you don't have to be an [ __ ] to make money you know and I admire that because you know win or lose he does have a very good attitude about it you know like yeah I don't I don't see a bad bone in his body he's just like a very shrewd businessman I think it rubs people the wrong way a lot of times because he could like that ajj thing was a little political you know little I think broccoli know is is close to that thing I saw that which I guess was attacking him and also I guess the tenth planet jiu-jitsu yeah I mean people wanna I mean we thought about before I thought I was as funny you know because if you're growing up learning presents you soon then you're gonna label as an American geez so I mean I guess everybody can make it label yeah but then you have the tenth planet guys which again it they do to the credit have a system yeah and they're very coordinated with they had everything systematized even to the warm-ups and all that that they that they teach so I get it you know they want to label their own thing and it's an Okie art and they have a particular way of playing which is kind of different yeah most people do he is uh I think that you know everyone wants to they want to build their own brand that's what we're talking about ultimately and I Keenan comes across as the guy represents American jiu-jitsu if you you know if he portrays himself that way I I think that there I mean you can focus on the difference is we practice you know we've competed against each other with computer the same rule sets but we're different yeah we call it David jiu-jitsu and Robert judge it sunny suppose we could but if too many similarities to warrant to me they're way too many similarities people focus on the differences chunji Ribera but then at best he had one that was called JJJ January Jiu Jitsu all the fighters that were born in January which I thought was pretty funny so you might as well you know like why American why brazilian why not January it's perfectly valid question you know because you know you don't what that determines your a game plan I'm your your style has nothing to do with what country you were born into you know like the country does not play a role how good you are at jiu-jitsu doesn't you know believe it or not low and behold has nothing to do with where you were born it has to do with how much you train yeah having the labels necessarily like creates rifts unless for example because I I don't think that you went to the guys and go do you guys practice jiu-jitsu they got no who do ten times you don't think it's like a you know they I think they say yeah we did you do suit you know but we our brand or maybe you can say it takes styles within the jiu-jitsu class and I think that's probably a better description okay so you have to do certain any of you have guys who do tenth planet there's a particular way that they play I've rolled with a bunch of the tenth planet guys and they all have a style yeah they have their unique style and then you versus if you go with guys for like more like submission us are based although he also they have a different style and then you go people come up from the Gracie juice of school that's a that's a different look to you know so but they're all jujitsu chucklino and that says yep they're all jujitsu you know I don't think you can't label it cuz I understand their value like obviously by branding as ten times your suit they've become successful that at least Eddie Bravo hell no if you would have just flown a BJJ banner or followed that he probably wouldn't have as much success especially since his school has like a like a familiar following almost a cult-like if you would say but not not a negative way but they identified like that I mean so he gives them a little uniqueness which yeah it's it's something that peels to a knish audience because like all weird if we're doing something different we're really not doing two Jet's that we're doing you know this kind of jujitsu whatever and to me once again we're focusing on the differences and there are some differences but what about all the similarities that's like 99.9% of the similarities that go fly under the radar because we just take them for granted but their similarities yeah you know no one likes to be inside a triangle that's a similarity right we don't talk about the similarity we always talk about there's millions of little things that we do that are identical things places we want to be place so we don't want to be but those we just take them for granted so we're focused on all but we do more of this or were less than more of that and that's always been the case though that's not new you can go back to jits in 1980s and every school had their own like little are these guys are really good at full ox these guys are really good at clothes card these guys are really good at stand-up and that's true for every school on the planet so if you are gonna put things in the categories then every school should have their own name you're just in fact every practitioner at that because even though we practice the same art like I said we computer the same tournaments our games are different so again we're gonna call it David George it's and Robert jiu-jitsu and once we start doing that it's like what a were we getting with this I I'm of the opinion that once you change the rules and you practice a different little set right long enough so you can't even compete with each other anymore then you have a different moral right judo Jiu Jitsu that your dog cuz didn't want to compete too long on the ground the Jiu Jitsu guys didn't want to stand up with the judo cuz okay we agree to call judo judo and jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu there's a split I don't see that yet I kind of see that a little bit of submission only but as long as they call it u Jitsu I don't think it's ever gonna be far enough to warrant anything that is just like a variant of jiu-jitsu it's not it's just slightly different yeah I think part of the bigger reasons that people want a brand Styles is the same way how you call your you're only right because you want to show like everybody's doing jiu-jitsu but I have my flair in it and I think my formula is the best formula right because I know at some point if you produce a bull champion and then you just say oh where did you come from it comes from jiu-jitsu then the ego partners that while I didn't get credit for you know creating the student and the particular style that we have but yeah that's the reason why he was successful because everybody's reduced suit but we have a particular twist on it that made it a little bit more effective that better stamina he's got better techniques that we focused on that's why you know we kind of brand it in that sense you know because you had examined did you sue and there's you know check mad and there's all these other ones and you were just I'm a kavacha and how he's produced these two guys but if his name isn't attached to it we don't know why they were successful I can watch them but let me know oh my god is the guy who made the buchecha and for the Avenger okay what's kavacha doing yeah he has this particular thing that he focus on okay so without we could benefit you know so I I feel like there is benefit to having the different style names but ultimately we all have released in the juicer world we're all doing jiu-jitsu that way another but we just use labels to distinguish you know I like the more I think about this conversation I think we gets along we people get lost and I think we just do the same thing we're liking these little tiny little things it's like I think what I don't know to me that they they're not really they're not huge different this is so anyone that doesn't judge it sometimes listening to us right now they think we're [ __ ] crazy that's pretty much what they're thinking like you have to be just in order to kind of get what we're going with this I think that what may happen is you know I think that the people just might drop the B and BJJ or I don't think the a JJ is gonna last I think there's such thing Kenan does and think some school might follow suit but like the end of the day they're competing the same tournaments it's the same [ __ ] like all he come up with some stuff yeah everyone comes up with stuff that's the other thing everyone thinks that they created something that is unique and revolutionary you like yeah but everyone does that everyone's doing that all the time like you're crazy you kept details of the key more no never taught you shortfalls yeah that you learned right how'd you learn them practice practice failure like I do the same like I got a little guillotine stuff that I do didn't what ever taught me and I think that's true for everyone you know and then you know of course people like Quinta they're not exception to that you know what people like what's-his-name the Betty Cummings like the guy with a little egg lock system like he got I'm assuming no one ever taught him you have to learn the hard way and he does things are very particular at his own style but I think we I'm more of the opinion we should celebrate the similarities and not focus on the differences I thought people are with everything ever notice that it's like everything religion politics anything that's contentious people have this like laser-like focus on the differences and the similarities you know sometimes identical they're completely overlooked you know to me I think that's interesting well we continue now with competitions we still have another tour we haven't talked about which case I guess I was uh when was it this weekend Saturday yes it was just a Saturday now so big winner is cyborg which was with men he's pretty impressive I am man I'm just because I think he's getting better seems like yeah I think he's worth 30 he's my age that's 38 he may be 39 now and he's getting better as he gets old because I remember cyborg when he was working for to seye me you know same generation we competed the same tournaments he was always good I think he's getting better as he gets older it's like this weird thing where he's more dominant now than he was ten years ago because ten years ago he was good yeah but he's a I think he's won like every major nogi competition he's been in other than a DCC the last city Cecilie but everything else he's won I wonder how that would translate what other weight class I don't do that Karenia was very successful even could be it's always good like I think kibriya was consistent with his success why cyber I actually think he's getting better like he's done he's won more the last three years and he did in the previous maybe maybe not they had some big titles too but it's very unusual man it's very hard to do you know you know sure was I hurt in the body and he said have you wait too so there's a lot of I was just trying to think me because he's a heavyweight he's able to last longer because you know they say strength is the last thing that goes as you get older of anything you are getting stronger but your speed definitely goes you know but it's a heavyweight speed maybe not as important but I don't have you see him scrambling it was pretty he knows well and and you know that the injury factor and like staying healthy so certainly impressive he won he beat the the rematch with Nick Rodriguez I don't see it but from why it was a decision yeah those close ones not a quaint a soul I guess he got heads the first it means it's close it's it's it's a close match up um who else that kid Kyle bone bone bone he defeat a persona by was surprising the third one was gonna beat him so that was big when you always complain about some of that's on the highlight I'm not sure what he was complaining didn't he think that late glad that uh Hugh hooks were illegal maybe know what they were saying someone thesis I saw the post I'm like man this is I get clean here look there's nothing wrong you just have guard he was complaining about something I guess someone else was saying that Josh foot got stuck in his shorts oh okay but it was like ten seconds ago and then like he started complaining about it after you guys it's a weird time now now yeah I mean I I don't know the details but like it doesn't seem like it look like legit who else we're talking about before but like he's been doing a lot better now calm know is very good i I saw the first time with that content yeah he fought Phillippi actually and then they went back and forth with foot locks but it was like a no point system yeah so there's no victory were both they both you're right there yeah but yeah he's definitely gone up a lot who else uh Hulk was in the Hulk is always in that he has some wars I think he had a war with cyborg yes like suplex on them yes match reinforces what we always talk about the importance of wrestling and jiu-jitsu oh well you know he got he why was it Nick I think it was Nick that's right I saw that all right I didn't watch the show I just like I fall the stuff one Instagram and that's how you do too many shows it's hard to keep up well that's a good thing right like 100% I remember like back in the 2000s there was no like professional inventing is really like you had like super fights that were paying like 60 minutes loop I'm gonna buy yeah yeah yeah eat the fly across the country get a hotel yeah I can either do the compete oh yeah and I mean it may it still like that a lot of times by the time you're done paying everything actually you're in a whole couple thousand dollars yeah you know I'm paying a fight but it's getting better man like look at the prizes like this is something that is really I feel that you know I think a lot of competitors take it for granted like they don't realize how lucky they are in the terms of even though the support a lot more people in the sport it's you can actually make a decent living just fighting yeah yeah it's I mean you have to be like a top tier guy like you can't just be an average Joe but that even if you were the best in the world there was no such thing as making a living from just fighting cuz eighty to see was every two years yeah even if you want it still didn't mean a lot yeah just a pure grappler you would really have to be hustling to know you teaches seminars and seminars and then you know selling merch and doing a lot of stuff and I'm usually yep yep at school when you're teaching prior lessons and it's hi a lot of things now like you're saying this is a competitor and you're doing sponsorships and you know seminars are something that you can make a pretty good living you know just especially as somebody who doesn't have a formal education wouldn't you just have your athlete and you know as some of the top guys a pair they're making silly money yeah but you're the thing though that you fall into that trap to every professional athlete falls into because I won't say it's easy money because fighting is not easy but it's not the kind of heart that a businessman learn you know or kind of like a business kind of hard because you you fight which is fun you go to jiu-jitsu you win you get a big check right it's like a basketball player or football player same thing and then they retire and then what happens you know the statistics right it's something like 80% bankrupt right after lotto X same thing because you never learn how to make money you never learn how to manage the money you never learn how to invest the money so that like that artificial injection into your account one day is gonna go away and just because you saved up a few million doesn't mean you're gonna be able to hold on to it because if you have a few million in your account chances are you don't live in an apartment yeah chances are you don't drive like you know a 94 Honda Civic you know chances are you know you're living above your means and you don't have a source of income other than your savings and that's not gonna last yeah you know so it's the same as the the prominent every professional athlete bumps into sooner or later in their career like can you turn that corner once you retire you know so then a way from for even though like we missed that we never got a big big big checker they just he was the only thing paying back in a day right it was every two years but at the same time because we you run a school I run a school like it teaches you something yeah like you learned skills along the way at least if I never made a dime from you know Cup competition it's fine because I can still make a living running a business because I have a look a basic understanding of how this works or a lot of these guys will not have that when they retire they're gonna be white belts at life by the time those chicks start stopped coming in yeah I mean that's a lesson to anybody really like I mean this phenomenon and they have it with lottery winners also it actually with lottery winners they end up worse than when they were when they want and it's analog that was given to me was analogy I was financial thermostat right like everybody essentially depending on your background has a number in your head or like a status of living that you're comfortable with right so for some people maybe that's 40k 60 K 100 K whatever it is infinite right whatever that is that's where your you feel comfortable being you know so when you get like you said artificial injection like a lotto and then from being having like $10,000 in the bank now you have like 500 million here's like you have more money than you're comfortable being having or just used to having so what do you do you start spending money like crazy you give money to family you give it to friends you make silly business decisions or investments he's now burning through that money fast to get you back to where you were when you start it and then sometimes you end up getting lower than you started today you have a debt yeah debt yeah and now you have a huge mess and you've probably made enemies everywhere you know the problems I've had this and my brother's wife her family had won the lotto and made a lot of money off it and the end of the sharing money with a family and then a lot of broken bridges from my understanding happened and now everybody's worse off for winning this big jackpot it's just because people don't like you said they don't prepare because having that much money is a responsibility you know and you have to learn how to handle it like they don't teach you that in school you know I say if you don't come from money and you be giving a lot of money it's a problem it isn't right because they don't know likely we were talking they don't know how to manage it know so I think all I got in millions of dollars so like I'm good I'm gonna invest this and that but like well even if you do make investments doesn't they're gonna be good investment right and then you have all the taxes you got to pay them that investments but not your your your standard of living goes up significantly right especially if you're not surrounded by the right people if you have to be surrounded by a bunch of morons that and a family turned sometime they trying to be really really dumb people and they just want a piece of the pie because they think to deserve it because that yeah I helped you pay your mortgage that one time give me a million dollars you know so I imagine that it would be very disruptive to a family I think that you know there's like that classic story of the old Grampa that's dying and everyone's fighting over his money and it turns every son against there's a movie out about this ah nice salad have you seen it oh no oh it's great man it's it's exactly what we're talking about right knifes out it might be the theater still and it's a classic story but it really is you know I think it's a what a way to destroy a family do I imagine you know I don't I've never had that problem nobody wrong it some of my family won a lottery I probably asked them for money too I probably do the exact same thing you know but I think it would cause it would destroy the family a lot of times you know if you if you don't have like a very like tightly knit group of people and everyone's reasonable and which isn't it's hard to find like everyone the family's reasonable that never happens right so there'd be a lot of conflict it would probably distance you know you'll become very isolated I think as a result I always say that money is just a physical manifestation of power yeah right and you know power corrupts and it also attracts things and so if you have that much power you know what to do with it there's gonna be people that I'd be attracted to it and then there now is gonna be good people take advantage of you you know make bad deals and all sorts of stuff so you gotta really be care that's why it's smarter when people go out and I see people they come like a mask so they they're when they're gonna announce the winners or whatnot and they make sure they don't reveal the identity because you having that that good a lot of people just don't understand it you know member so they don't worry you given all this money like you know at the end day it's not gonna solve the problems that you have you know like if you have problems in your life having artificial money is not gonna fix it right it's you you might have a temporary relief but then you're gonna burn through that money again same thing the financial thermostat you know you're gonna regulate eventually and it works for the other way too whereas if you you have a catastrophe or something bad happens then you go below where you're comfortable at what happens you take a second job you know a third job whatever and you build yourself back up and you level out right so I think the trick for people who make those status jumps is they have to be able to move that thermostat up and how you do that that's a whole yeah but you should be competitive competing as well like scaling your skill when you're like a Bluebell a sign that you might have this mental image that you are a blue bow right so that you can't beat people above you or you can't be particular people because you have this limitation your head huh I know when I first joined the wrestling team I came from being like computer playing nerd type overweight I was like ninth grade 200 pounds really over out of shape and I guess I had this mental image I couldn't run well at all because every practice we would have to start off at a three mile Indian run and I couldn't run three miles continuously let alone one mile continuously like I would end up doing like the first half mile and then fall off and then after walk and then run then walk and run and I ran like two months in I was still struggling even though I could do the wrestling practice fire but the run I was getting like smashed and finally like I would get better every time I'd get a little further before to stop and then finally one day I completed the three miles without stopping and then never again did I ever have to walk and I could be like Robin I could be so out of shape and I have done it I could play out of shape and I got run ten miles of that stuff yeah it's not like suddenly achieved like a video game a lot maximum endurance yeah it's just a mental thing right yeah barrier you know so if I would have never broken through that barrier the hard way I would have never been a good athlete yeah yeah run but it's like one of those things that you have to constantly push against it you know so I think the more the harder you have to work to earn something or to develop that skill the more likely you know break of threshold you know that you can always surpass I think we talked about business like what what would be the better path like I have to work my way through to make my first million or I have a rich uncle that just drops a million on my lap you know exactly I rather be the guy that grinds through it because I know how to do it everyone thinks I'm crazy when I say that man I had this conversation with Deepak I'm really I wasn't born rich and it was like oh no no like no man like I want to pay the iron price because I actually appreciate the lessons that come with it you got that rich uncle man you're like what exactly are you learning you get the connections like don't get me wrong I like the connections to me that would be the valuable part of having a rich uncle I would like to know the people that he knows right like I do want to there's a sane and and Brazilian being exists it too like if you want to learn how to fly you know hang out Turtles yeah yeah hang out with Eagles right like and I always looked at jujitsu that way and like I what are the best people I got to hang out with those people if I want to be like them right and in business it's the same um but like if you if you get handed everything like not only do you not learn anything you're the one that ends up like the guy who wins the lottery ends up broke at the end because you don't know how to manage the money yeah if you're born into money you're born into power it's I think it's definitely more tricky to get those motivations right yeah obviously it's possible and there's many successful people that have even more successful children but it's a different parental challenge because you have to be able to create challenges where there might not necessarily be really you might not need the kid to do the along because you have gardeners right but you might make them do it anyways just to give them a sense of duty and that's called good parenting right like so that you have to but you have to be a good parent right now and all because you're a very successful business doesn't mean that you're a good parent either it might be the youth is really good at business and have you added a family with kids but you're focused on your business and then you the kids go wayside you know so it's like if you're being a coach it's kinda like being a parent in some ways but I actually strongly believe that a tough love is real love if you want someone to truly learn something you want to make them grind for it you know you don't want to give them the easy route I know same thing with your kid like my kids I'm no perfect parent but like I make them earn stuff like I don't I don't like buying them stuff just because like they feel they deserve it like they know that they they have their chores and they help it like even like little stuff like I don't carry their bags for them like old broads some people might even think that I'm kind of mean sometimes and it's not that it's just like I want them to learn to take care of themselves like if they spill something I don't clean it for them I all make them do their bad like now they're old enough they could actually clean up after themselves but when they were little I make them clean in and they was it was a horrible job but it wasn't so much about keeping it clean it was more about them understanding that that was there a problem yeah they have to have the responsibility I remember like they would make a mess in the car why did spill chips in the corner like two three years old I'll make them clean it like they did it do a good job but it's a lesson that's been you're after right and I think that's what you know a lot of people miss out is that they make it so easy on their students so easy on their kids and they think they're helping it's just that's like the worst thing you can do for someone is just like you know give them the short route yeah we think the ultimately and the goal of a leader is to breathe tough tough people around them like your other your children or your students or your employees you want to make them tough you got to make them earn it I think at the end they people appreciate that they may hate you at the time for making them do the extra work but I think in the long run to appreciate give an example my mother you may not know this she owned the language school in Brazil right so they taught English Spanish Italian German and French I grew up inside that school I was there every day I end up learning Spanish is because it was you know it was a very similar was easy but I did some German but I didn't really learn it and but I to this day I'm kind of upset at my mom for not making me study like mom why didn't you force me like I was there every day I just wanted to play like no no you should have met set me down and like made me study German for an hour a day every day I wish he had done that you know I think at the end when you're harder on people and they've been not at the moment but later in life to appreciate it yeah I mean if I look back at my first training sessions and wrestling I can hated everything about me I do those runs they were miserable happy to do pull-ups was embarrassing because it was up three three sets of 15 I couldn't get like three you know yeah so it's awful and then I remember there's one point I'll never forget this we got in because we're doing our Indian run sprints pull-ups and then we'd get inside the mats and then start the wrestling practice out my legs were just burning you know coach can I get a break please like my legs are really hurting and then heed this step down looking because you know why your legs are hurting there because you've never done a hard day's work in your life higher go ahead sit out for a little bit until your legs feel better buddy and that's a feel like crap but you probably at the time but now you're like oh it's hilarious no they look back in it but it's like it's what I need to hear you know like a good coach knows like when - I guess use negative reinforcement in the way cuz I wasn't gonna negative like a sarcastic kind of coaching but it worked because it got my ego my go okay I'll get up and do this thing but they said but either the thing is like not everyone can take it like I feel like I can take it like a champ like if someone says something that I don't like to hear but it's true I like it's a bitter pill to swallow but like I'll get over it like I'm like you know at the end and it doesn't take me that long ago you know what that's a good friend right there he's telling me what I need to hear right but like I've been that with some people man they get butthurt and they can't deal with it they just can't stand criticism you know and it's hard to coach so I as a business owner you balance these things because you want to make them hardcore you wanna get the best out of them right the very best version of your student and that's what they want in theory but in practice the execution is always easy because average soft and if you push them too hard you'll lose a student you got to pay rent so balancing these things out is very difficult but you know it's doable like there is I think that that ultimately a good coach is a good psychologist and he wants you the better you get at it the more you're able to identify your students and what which what's his profile like what's his background like who is this person and you know how to get the best out of them without pushing them away yeah you you have to be careful of where your glass is breaking somebody right we don't necessarily want to break somebody we want to get them really close yeah you know but I feel like if you broke somebody now they're gone they don't come back then but you want to get them like where they're about to break and then you can snap it back to the skill man it is a skill because the closer you gets into breaking that means you're you're also breaking through a lot of garbage in their head they have and if they able to snap back now they've gained a lot by real life and now you know what those limits are to like you're able to to gate take how far you can push you want to give an example we have a comp class at the gym now and it's it's you know I want to run it like I wanted to run like a wrestling practice originally right hard to Round two hours like hard like life live drilling rounds you know high roll like maybe aim for like seven ten minute rounds you know after drilling and I'm noticing that you know by the end people all my knee hurts my shoulder hurts and it's difficult balance to find cuz you never know like why is he a shoulder hurts at the end of practice a because it's been aggravated from all the rolling could be yeah or be because you're just being lazy right and it's it's difficult because you have to find that balance between keeping your athletes healthy but also pushing them you know and some people are like they'll push through the injury and those you almost have to tell them yeah it's to slow down because it'll keep going oh there's like every single time that gets higher lat that old injuries all of a sudden starts bothering them and like you full of it you know and you know it's a very difficult balance to to find but a lot of it has to do with like the exactly had just people skills like social skills being able to identify similar than they're full of it and knowing how hard to push someone without pushing that threshold like with Phillippi there were days you know preparing for their Europeans were he was asking you to stop and it's the first time I've trained Phillippi I've never trained it before it was like I don't know where that I'm discovering that as we go yeah yeah we're that bound if I actually call kavacha few times like Ibaka where is it a kavacha game like this is how he is right and okay so that's how he is but even so now even if you know your students individually very well that creates another problem you're coaching a group are you gonna have a class for every single individual that's a private yeah you know because I'm training a group of 20 people like I is it's a lot to juggle man yeah you know when my brother and I first started off we came from like a Fight Club in Tallaght because it's the first school that we trained over we went from wrestling to a very intense program and then we joined a guy who was doing essentially fighting right and he didn't cater to anybody it's like this is the program either you're tough enough or you're not so when we started our school is the same way and my brother was the first thing someone's do when they go to a gym was spar for contact that's crazy that's right but sure people who survive that are tough but you're like we said we're breaking a lot of people they have a can even develop a know those people and you might think some people like oh you know if they couldn't survive that beginning part they weren't worth training later it's like no it's not true you know there's a lot of diamonds in the rough that if you roll them right they'll be better than everybody else yeah but because of whatever their background you need to raise them properly so I think the first step in not running private lessons for everybody is making those groups think one of the best things we did was when we open up our introductory program so we have our advanced program and intermediate because now like okay we can group them and the group is gonna be a lot closer together you know like we have people you know our beginning programs that you don't rank you're not even a WIPO you're just like first you know six months of training down and then you graduate into white belt and then you move up the ladder that way but like making those separations make it easier because okay people don't less than six months experience chances are can't you know just stand up fighting or anything like that and we limit them so that we won't protect them and grow them at a pace where they're able to adapt mm-hmm you know and I think it's important it is the balance I know for myself I would always train past my limits and I would get hurt more often than that because I always had that voice in the back of my heads ago you're being a [ __ ] I know I know I go I'm the [ __ ] I'm gonna keep going yeah so here is that million-dollar question it's Dan Gable right because I've heard a Dan Gable today backtracks and goes no overtraining is not a myth but at the same time he is an Olympic gold medalist yeah so because I've had this conversation with students of mine where I tell them the rest I tell them not to over train I tell them like you know and then and then they go like there's probably you did you do that I'm like oh hell no I was over trained every day of my life I'm like well you won didn't you I'm like I don't know like me am i right I actually don't have a good answer that question because it's a very difficult balance to strike I think it depends on your your age right and I guess the progression of your skill set I think if you're young and early in you really want to push that throttle it's hard to over train when you're young right I mean I look back at the type of injuries I were I was training through when I was in wrestling and it's ridiculously I would be sidelined for a year like if I had half the injuries I had down so I think you could push through it and it's important that you do when you're younger because that's gonna create that mental toughness yeah but at a certain point you don't need to prove you're tough anymore I am once you achieve this servant it's like if I climbed Mount Everest do I need to climb it every year to prove I can ya know I've done it once I know I can do it right so like I don't need to prove that to anybody anymore right you know so it's kind of like and here Dan absolutely before you know yeah I've done like thirty of them I don't need to prove I can I can fight the big guys keep doing it you know so I think it's that kind of thing like once you've gone through a certain amount of trials we don't need to go overdrive all the time you know it's funny because it's exactly how I feel like I I feel like I don't have to climb Mount Everest every day like I've done that and sometimes I don't feel like doing it right sometimes a little war with like I said I want to train with her oh [ __ ] there we go you think it's fun going to war with him it's not man he's faster than me he's younger he's got he's stronger his grips don't break mine do you know like everything is against me but and then I'll tell myself that I get soft did I lose my toughness or I have absolutely nothing to prove and I know that and I know that my happiness depends only how I feel about myself depends only on me and not how other people may look at me does that make sense and I'm completely content with what I've done I have no regrets I have no like I don't have any you know there's no anger inside because I would have one more everyone wants wish they would have one more that's normal Michael Phelps asked him yeah I wish I had one more tournaments of course but you know I completely content with the fact that I can't I can't be Phillipe in practice you know and I can give a good one good role but like he's better than me and I have to accept that but like it's there's a part of me that tells me there's that little voice right here being soft you know you're viewing your you lost your toughness you know like you should never be quitting now and I don't think the word is quitting but every now and then like you accept things whereas the flora of never accepted them you know I'm saying like they caught or his own passes my guard I'm like okay I accept it but I used to not accept those things so but I think there really are phases man you just have to extinct it it is what it is you can there's no way you're gonna be competitive your whole life and it's just gonna get worse as yet there's nothing you can do about it but ultimately I think that the trick is like Ida Scott we were just talking is being happy with yourself if you're content what does it matter what other people think yeah it's a exercise of ego as well right I know like I've been doing a lot more lifting now I didn't go too well I do go to failure and pretty much everything I do but control huh right like I don't what squats is probably the one thing I'm not gonna do the failure because going back up by the way that's really good advice squats and deadlifts I think P ours are useless if you're a fighter they're just dangerous so the benefits you're gonna get like stay away squats and deadlifts stay away from pr's that's my advice yeah I mean I've done them but like very controlled like I go under what I know I could do yeah because I don't want to fail on the squad I mean because I just had the surgery I don't know about my knees you know like yeah you have to weigh the risk versus benefit you know of every situation so like can you fail on the bicep curl yeah what's gonna happen oh yeah no big deal yeah all right pull up yeah yeah yeah if you feel like when you see the different people squatting you know is it Jesus Christ second I hear the same thing when you're rolling you know get kind of armbar like do you are you gonna eat that what's gonna happen you're gonna pop your elbow you might tear your shoulder you're gonna have a lot of time off not worth it not worth it you see for me chokes I always good it's also dangerous is that smart I've had one of my guys who got choked so bad as he was getting head scissored and the guy couldn't see him and he was passed out for probably longer than 10 seconds and he had like a little mini stroke literally like that for a week he had like a joker smile I was like they went back okay it went back okay so I have a student of mine Lee I'm not gonna mention his name but he's not sharing with me anymore but like I think he liked being put to sleep not because he were got like I don't think we could turn on by that's like a thing like a fetish I'm serious yeah there's a whole underground like of people like get get off on you know getting choked out but like with him it was the attention because every time he woke up I think one would be on him he was like a very attention ZD person and you know he would just get put to sleep and every was so worried about all the Sun cuz he's asleep so he'd get put to sleep almost every week and I'm like it's kids do it on purpose there's no way it's a coincidence that keeps getting put to sleep and then he actually put together I kid you not this is real it's on YouTube if you look hard enough you'll probably find it you put a highlight reel of himself getting put to sleep at tournaments well he had a highlight really creative himself he's not he doesn't he's not doing it as a joke it was just like all this is how hardcore I am I get points of sleep kind of thing you know but unfortunately training I've been put to sleep a few times but not because I'm like go let me see how far I can go with it is it I was fighting so hard that I didn't have like tapping out was an option and I got escaped a guy escaped the one time I got put to sleep in competition with Tarsus Humphries at 2007 and it was double overtime and he hadn't scored points yet and he had a very naked choke for the back mouth and what was going through my head was how I'm gonna win this match it wasn't like a nightmare I woke up here yeah I think within 10 seconds to realize the lights are good I remember there's one other time I was I got mad at myself because I think it was the second time I ever tapped was against Tel Aviv arrow I thought in the auto classic I think was a good 2003 and I was losing like I think it was like 5-0 and I was just going desperate trying to get a takedown shot a sloppy double and he got me in a rear naked choke it's also also the only submission in cotton competitions rear naked choke four times and so that's a clue expressional hug defeat david admin.com so he got really really good and I was fine finally I tapped and afterwards I was mad and like I should have went to sleep okay I should have kept fighting you know like I gave up on myself now then and then I got sobered up by a match later on Wow two of the women were grappling and one that was in the garden got kind of guilty I was holding it holding it I looked away look back and son there's a giant puddle underneath them I was like what the hell is that like someone throw a water bottle and the girl in the box was freaking out and pushing to go out she took the girl unconscious and then she pissed herself something you know what yeah I know a guy I'm not gonna mention his name he's not known in the US but he's known in Brazil he shat himself on national television yeah that's how they how I cook like one of the few events in Brazil that was actually on TV and he shat himself like and you couldn't at his defense you couldn't tell on TV it didn't get brown or anything but the smell like people don't near him like oh [ __ ] man yeah so that's like it could be yet tap it could get really embarrassing that's a highlight reel you don't want on your track record put to sleep once a silly I was a Bluebell baby a white belt like the guy did that joke I can port you to call out my cell phone I don't you call it English but he holds the collar and he pushes with one collar with one hand and he grabs the other collar with the other one he pushes his knuckles into your throat okay right and I was in psyche control he was doing that and I'm like there's no way I'm tapping it wasn't that I was trying to be tougher and everything or being stubborn it's like that's good next thing you know same thing I wake up and there's like eight nine people like you know but your heads floating around me it meant it took him like 10-15 seconds to get a clue of what I'd actually happen that was that was a weird thing like you it doesn't register right away I'm like oh yeah yeah okay I was caught in a choke or [ __ ] you know yeah but yeah definitely not healthy that's a good test tap don't piss yourself guys this is pleasure hope you guys enjoyed we we're a little off track for the holidays and they bet you were doing travel where were you again I was it the he D how was it it was pretty nice it's a swim with wild dolphins that's a really like as in like like touching and everything yeah yeah we were like 60 feet deep just in the in the blue and say two dolphins came in and there was a big group of divers and they would go ahead between the divers and just let the you would scratch their belly or the bat that's awesome and they would they would do it a few times because they would come up for air coming back and then eventually get tired living to life yeah it was pretty badass huh all right I say them awesome oh good for you and yeah well hope you guys enjoy it and we'll see you guys again next week okay [Music]