BTG 37 - Mahamed Aly

Oh everyone we are back here with the break in the guard podcast I am Robert Raja with my good friend and co-host David Avalon we have a very special guest here IBJJF black built world champion and overall BJJ stud Muhammad Ali Mohammed welcome to the show thank you very much thanks for having me guys yeah it's awesome to have you on here Mohammed's been a while I think the last time I saw you was at the ATCC yeah yeah it was uh you had some great matches out there I think he what a better mattress was even with Tim here on TV oh my god that was that was traumatizing man said yeah that's it's not no one ever likes to fight a teammate you know but that intention for those of you who don't know that like they make you guys fight early on right they don't want what they don't want is anyone close in the bracket they want to make sure that the final is a war so they want to limit the chance of teammates fighting each other and the final which is understandable I get it but I've always hated fighting teammates man like that's that's to me that's never never something fun yeah 100% I remember when we're about to fight I told him man please if you take my back you get your points and get out of that you know I don't want you when the pictures on my back if I lose that's cool you know we're training every day we go but I think I wasn't ready man that thing was a lot of like that was intense because the first thing he did was he jump on a guillotine and then I was like like he's really trying to kill me you know like I'm not used today so it was kind of yeah it's hard for me to you know to process that thing and Muhammad one thing we noticed is we're on the ATCC topic one thing that we noticed is you know I think that over the years has been an increase on the importance of wrestling for 80cc or I would see in more and more in some ways and almost resembles a wrestling match in obviously less sophisticated you know but it's becoming more and more like wrestling I do the day I saw an NC double-a match from 1937 in wrestling and I was like shocked to see how much it actually looked like the rules were different but it looked a lot like a TCC to me so I was wondering what are your thoughts and you agree that has become more wrestling oriented and what's the what's the importance of wrestling for the state of the sport at the moment yeah like I don't actually think that a DCC the jiu-jitsu tournament you know and a lot of people when they tell me always that a jujitsu tournament was like man it's not you know because jiu-jitsu is the only martial arts that you can be comfortable on your back you know and when a tournament tell you that you cannot pull guard that means it's not Jitsu you know even though you can't see we're from the like doing guard and stuff personally for heavier guys I wouldn't consider that a jujitsu match you know and yeah I think man a lot of jujitsu people are still behind when it comes to posture you know wrestling like protecting just grip fighting you know a lot of people get so stressed out we grip fight and I think that's a big advantage Oh whoever trains a little more I understand the grip fighting like the takedowns are not as good especially because you can go out of bounds and everything you have the referees kind of you know doing their thing but yeah man like you you are allowed to walk backwards and that's the only difference you know because you rest if you walk backwards you you gotta you somebody else's scores so but I am and I think for sure wrestling is a thing especially when it goes through like final rounds oh my god wrestling's the thing man yeah I think when you're saying particularly moving backwards is kind of a big deal I know and your match with Nicola Regas there were a lot of takedowns that went out of bounds and there was quite a few of them where you were on top at the end but then it see they don't call points or anything and to me I know I've harp on this every other episode I think that Robert but like I think out of balance should be scored you know like if I push somebody out of bounds point you know because you're right in the sense that you're allowed to walk backwards so there's no penalty and that means more people go out of bounds out of time and particularly in heavyweight matches you know there's a lot about a balance going on because of the the wrestling emphases nobody wants to be on their back you know you get someone like Orlando Sanchez you don't want to be you don't want that guy on top of you you know so it becomes a wrestling match and I think without penalties for going out of bounds it just makes those matches much harder like I don't know we see like the winner of these matches as the better grappler it was just you know ha I don't know how to put it like politely but it's just like people who gained the rules better who knew when they were run out of balance versus how to win to stay in balance yeah we would call that Milan dodging Portuguese it's funny because in some specific fights you see that when they go out of bounds they come back to the same position like the big example was your investors kind of right when kind of kind of forces the situation outside Julie gets mad but the end of the day kind of what's right you know like he was fighting under the rules and then when we have fights like mine when I was fighting Nick a-rod's I end up on his back the same exact situation and then they come back put it back in the middle like both standing up you know so it's kind of very tricky especially because they're ADCC referees they're not really referees you know they do other things in two years they're doing other things and then one day they show up to ref a DCCC match you know and somebody who's been trained in two years to do that thing you know you have to accept whatever you know so that's hard you had a problem without you right with Tokyo like it's very it's very very very hard for you to train for a DCCC they're smart people like Gordon and Nikki but people who only train nogi I think they're very smart man because if you're trying if your dream is to become a justiciable champion and the trained submissions only and you use that that we have we are the people who trained for gay rugby 2jf rules we have gaps you know again you know so these people who trains just for nogi they have a big advantage man and a very smart you know I think they should they should do what they're doing you know so what what's your take on because the one thing that I think that what you were you met by it by advantage is that there's there's a body of techniques that are currently forbidden in most key rule sets or really all of them namely the heel hooks and I would agree with you that there's there's a lot of dis efficiency there right my opinion goes you know wherever there's efficiency that's where our martial arts should be leaning towards so if it works it should be assimilated and that should be our guiding north like we're always striving for improvement on the martial art but that being said you know it is a blind spot for a lot of competitors that aren't used to competing with that rule set what how much of how much of an effect do you think that Hugh hooks have had in the last couple IDC sees because I think personally I think it's real but at the same time you think it got blown a little out of proportion I think that the rear naked choke is still the king of submissions but like no one notices the rear naked choke because they're so used to it we take it for granted but I think there's certainly been an increase on on Hugh hooks in the at the HCC level and I wanted to hear you talk about that a little bit how you feel about that because most competitors are not familiar with it yeah I actually want to match doing a heel hook my first match on the absolute was a huge win for me and I also lost the absolute by a huge oak you know it was a little weird because I was training with cyborg in people of they're heavy people you know so we're having people you basically have to get your knee free keep turning towards the your wherever your here is going you follow them and then eventually gonna be out you know and sometimes eventually gonna have a gap to scramble and take the back right but then I fought a very small guy who ends up like when you kick them when you kick the lag they come with you you know so it's kind of different different to the fan from a heavy person and a little person but I just say I don't think is that big of a deal if you understand of course if you're finding a guy who trains there for 12 months a year it's gonna be hard but that's regardless that's any technique you know if if I like Philippe Andrew like kima I always say man nobody again nobody ever gonna come coming or triangles right and then Philippi ma'am he did it right on the finals like kimmm wasn't going easy he was going hard that was the final of the absolute or Europe European Championship so that applies to anything you know if you train hello sir choke and somebody you know you gonna call them so that's what I think about you hook suma is just like another submission but you have to put the time to feel and understand the feeling of the like where is the where I supposed to worry about that and when should I defend you know before it gets too late you know and with Hugh hooks we don't know the limit we actually don't have limit when you'll notice you already heard so that's why people are very afraid of that and that's why I think it's for bidding on I'd be there yeah it's definitely a dangerous technique and but as we seem like being ignorant of it just makes you more look liable to get hurt by it so you just have to have smart training partners and and go slow with it you know to learn and practice so until you'll know how to the friend and everything and how to apply to because it can put a certain amount of pressure and also if they don't know how to defend you can release but you need to understand a little better before you can you know play with that yeah I know that I couldn't train with the heel hooks I let go of more heel hooks and I finished just because of what you're saying sometimes people go the wrong way am i right I don't want to break my toys yeah you know what one thing I mentioned I think that's you know and I feel very strongly about this it is just another position the thing is like we when something new comes about we tend to put it on top of the hierarchy because we tend to see the world in hierarchy right the new outdoes the old so for example when during bolos came about that was the greatest sweep in the world like everyone's very involved that's all my students wanted to do they didn't wanna learn anything else and then I think it was BJJ heroes released some statistics on jiu-jitsu and it was distance by two or three years and all the black belt matches at the World Championship and Baron bolos were like four percent of the sweeps there were well below close guard and a half guard and what that suggested me is that a lot of times the trend becomes like such a loud voice in the community it takes over the whole story when in fact what's really going on is they much of what we consider to be basic and fundamental is still the overwhelming majority of the story so but anything that you put a lot of time and emphases into you're gonna get good at all right and people tend to put a lot of the focus on Baron bola when they came out I think the heel hook is something similar is happening and I think that's why it's it's had such a dominant presence in the last two or three years but I think that like you give another three four years and it's gonna be like like just like the bearing Bowl everyone's gonna learn how to shut it down it's not going to be a novelty anymore it's just gonna be part of your arsenal yeah what was it and I believe a lot of energy to like sometimes when somebody gets you in a position or something you feel their energies like these guys not trying to tap me out he's trying to break my foot and you can feel that you can sense that is that is just like a fighter can understand energy you know and that's when you're gonna fear somebody or respect somebody because they're not trying to make a tap they try to break your limbs you know and as soon as you feel their you feel a little insecure you know and and I think a lot of people don't understand that they think only the techniques and the strength but jiu-jitsu and sports are way more than that and when you I focus when you sacrifice a lot when you go to the tournament and you know everything that you sacrifice for you have a different kind of energy and all the other fighter can sense that I can feel that and nobody can explain that to anybody who never been there fighting you know and I think you hooks are something like that true you kind of feel the energy from the person some he looks how turn screen and spin and spin and spin and get out eventually but some other hues I'm gonna oh my god they're gonna they trying to break my my foot on my knee or whatever so a lot of people it when they why bells or blue bells they don't understand energy and that's a big deal chill man like if somebody mounted on you and they get the first grip strong enough man you gonna know at that point that man is over you know that just the energy that they put on the grip even the great fighting judo or anything they energy that the person put on the submission on the grip gonna make the order fight a few and if the other fighter doesn't have the same energy they gonna fume and feel like the Guru is packed or fear just that grip you know and that's a big deal too and a lot of people don't talk about that you know I know you're talking about the of the energy what someone's trying to hurt you you could tell like you can I remember I remember man mm I think 2013 I was there waiting for my match and I watch I saw Boucher we ready to fight hodo for right man this guy was sitting down on the stairs of by the pyramid he was on the stairs he was doing nothing man he was like head down listen to his music but you could almost see his energy you could almost visualize you know that the guy was about to go through war or something you know and a lot of people they never reach their potential you know they never do never they so worried about techniques or strength or whatever and when they get there Myron Hayes wants to say something on his video was like man it doesn't matter if you train a lot if you leave your heart at home you know and a lot of people don't understand that you know and I like to say always that you're beginners because man that's a big deal to you know you know you speak I think there's well lab you also cause the aura right like yeah when you you think one fighter I could think of was Fedor Emelianenko when he was the last emperor fighting him pride he had that aura well he was just smashing everybody and when he took his time off because so that the failed negotiations they're trying to get em one in the UFC the Kokomo I think it was too many years sitting on the shelf when he came back he didn't have that same or anymore you know and it goes both ways like you're saying because the competitors can detect that and when they see that aura of confidence around you it shakes you like oh this guy is really sure of himself versus somebody who doesn't have that even though they look the same they're they don't you can feel the difference you know everybody can see them I just reminded that the Mayweather Pacquiao when Pacquiao was just murdering everyone Mayweather wouldn't fight him and then after a while you're like you know Pacquiao kind of lost his momentum there he got knocked out and then he'll fall you fought him you know and I think that it's something if you're right fighters sense this like they have this aura about them you can see when they're are on the way TT and it's hard to explain it might be body language I don't know if it's body language I don't know if it's how aggressive they are I don't know it's how they warm up I can't really explain it but I can't exactly got talking about and you can feel when someone's on their way up and once someone's on their way down well I mean look at a Mike Tyson right he always had the early Mike Tyson you look at them and like people say it's like being in the room with a tiger you don't know what's gonna happen you might eat you or and and then that's it every sport I'm sure if you if you watch Michael Phelps if you watch using boat you know before they compete you can you can sense something I've never experienced that in person but man I could sense that and I remember in 2016 Olympics right I went to watch him in Rio Jordan boomer Hawks right a man this guy was he was that the Olympic champion you know and their work this Russian dude man who wasn't there they're getting ready to fight each other and Jordan was the favorite right the man they're all the guy he wasn't doing anything you know Russians they just you know but man I could kind of feel his energy and he was crazy he just won the fight you know like nobody ever I didn't hear about it about guy before the match you know and I remember in the finals he cut his face and everything all messed up with his to one you know so that's every sport man if you see like I ate on Sena and all these people man they have something else it's not it's not just the technique you know something else you know and I think that's why carry carries you when you hired you know when you fatigue during training camp like and my energy is kind of up now because man now I will be in California man losing weight to five words you know and it's kind of crazy man for me like now May and I'm not training to five worlds you know it's kind of weird and man the energy is everything then how do you train that I don't I don't know I don't think you can you have had like guys like my polo here would say the burning desire right I don't think you train that I think you create habits you know to get better every single day and you see a big go a big task a big task ahead of you and they are generally you know the preparation the sacrifices mixed with adrenaline and the challenge to you know because if you feel that's true easy it's not gonna be the same you know so when you watch guys like Jack Herer getting ready to fight Roger didn't you then you will be tough you know so they would leaks everything's out of them you know we'll put the whole I don't know me it's like getting ready to die you know if you're going to war if you're man I can't die in two minutes or three minutes so I'm gonna fight with everything that I can you know so I think that's the feeling I kind of fell I kind of felt that when I was brown belt you know but I couldn't feel that yet on the black belt and I wish my life is still search and try to find that you know def tire again and because it's so good if you're so good man yeah it's hard to say like step one like how to get that yes really say how to get hard right they will there's no step-by-step tutorial because I think it's the processes differ if we're diamond hora I think whether aura is is a sense of confidence a sense of belief in yourself and what you're and what you're capable and willing to do like Ali what you were just said like you're willing to die when you go in there and fight that's a belief and you have a mission that you've put behind it as well that you're going out there to fight to the best of your ability and hopefully to get that w but what motivates everybody is very different right like some people are motivated by Fame some are motivated by challenge some of them want to buy the money you know so it's hard to say like what's gonna take that person to the next level and then on top of that is also the belief like what gets you to believe in yourself some people read books and they get motivated some people need to watch other people some people need someone to pump them up and you know hype them up and have a hype man and get them you know my brother you have to slap on the face a couple times before I imagine you'll get psyched so I think everybody's very different and that's what makes it challenging right because if there was a step-by-step process somebody would be a millionaire already selling and it changes for the same person - yes I'll give you example before I have my daughter yeah it was a whole different kind of motivation you know and as soon as she was born I was another person as soon as I hold her man she look in my eyes oh my god I didn't expect that but I became another person so my motivation my whole way to think about myself in the world change so now I have to refine yourself somewhere and I don't know where you know so the guide like the Boucher who fought although for ten years ago he's not the same guy but he's to winning you know so that's why it's so beautiful to watch him because he reinvent himself so many times man that's so beautiful you know but you know um yeah I you said interesting you mentioned that about we share shape like I remember the early who she shot that was winning the first few world titles it's a different guy one can tell you can tell two different guy even though he's probably better technically and he's heavier right like he's gotten have you gotten bigger still is just as fast but there's something about I'm since that the keyword of this conversation is the aura and I think that's an appropriate term which I I get pause I'm gonna go to bed tonight thinking about how is it that we know because we no no no you know but you can you can sense that there's something different about these guys and I think it does happen as we get older I think one thing am I explain that is maturity I think has become more mature you lose some of that recklessness you know that that that that that anger like that boldness you know I what I was interviewed Hobson Gracie for the documentary a couple years ago and I uh every time I spoke to the Grand Master's I asked the Grand Master the question is what give me some life advice you know these men's are 90 they're me in the future they're us in the future they're do Jitsu people right when I asked what gives some life advice and hops and Gracie goes like this all your young make sure they live your life can't be inconsequential in your life that's what he said and I think he's talking about this boldness of it being reckless and not being scared of like dying in that if you have to wear something happens when you have a daughter and I know how you feel mom because like that's what happened to me once you have your kids you go at whoa it's you're not the most important thing of the one you can't just die in there anymore whereas before you're willing to die in there and I was like okay I got other things I got to worry about I can't die in there anymore and your thought process does change I normally recommend my students don't have kids until they're ready to retire because to me I felt that like it was a big change like my mindset changed dramatically once I had kids I think that's one factor not the only one and BJ BJ Penn said that to his book he said after he has the first daughter he was never the same fighter he could never be the bad guy like he used to be because he he used to probably self up being bad a bad person so as soon as he had his first kid he was I met now I need to make this work better for my daughter you know and he could never be the same guy anymore so he eventually of course you get fiery and trainee and everything but he said he was not the same person and I'm the same way my like after her it's weird because I can never explain that for somebody who don't have kids and if you have kids I don't have to explain that to you you know so it's gonna it changes man it changes this it's finding is good you know it's like you know it's funny eventually I think I've told that story before but my brother before he had his kids I remember it was a week before his first kid his daughter Amira and I went up to the glade Markos you're you're ready for this you're excited say for what like all right you're gonna have your kid in one week it's like ah it's no big deal I'm like no big deal that's some loser [ __ ] people say they have nothing going on in their life and the best contribution you have is pumping out a kid like well I don't know about that man even from even without a religious as because from a scientific level this is your purpose in life is to create life you know and I think your your license change when you see that kid and it's gonna be its again [ __ ] whatever but sure enough a week later I see him in the delivery room crying yeah the best way he described it is that he felt the extremes of every emotion possible from a complete joy and elation to fear and anxiety you know like if now he's responsible for this small thing that can easily die with bad care you know but yeah he totally changed you know and I can remember I remember myself being a room because I have my baby here and my whole family's in Brazil right so I was gonna buy myself on the hospital but the same day in the morning I woke up I went there it was delivery day right so I went to the hospital we went to the hospital we happy and everything and I didn't feel much it was like okay you know because a dad is not a data - is born a mother as soon as she's pregnant she's already mom you know and we are not so I was like man maybe I'm maybe I don't have the system validity or maybe I'm you know too cold harder and everything meant she's supposed to be in the room to take the anesthesia right so they go first and then we stained another room by like I was by myself in the other room waiting right man next thing I knew what was cry one minute seems to be a hour oh my god something happened I called my mom my mom didn't reply man listen I was about to die you know and I got so mad and at the hospital because I didn't have a nurse to myself and they invited me to the room I went there was all right and the doctor told me amen you better sit down cuz I'm not gonna carry your big ass this would pass out I'm not gonna carry you you better sit down sit down Matt soon as I hear that ya cry man the whole thing changed I was I was like I tell my friends man I born that day it wasn't just her it was me another me you know it's so good man it's crazy that's great and I think what you're saying it's true that you're talking about you have to reinvent yourself right yeah they think that's true for all the champions in the sport like the moment you stand still and you know stick where you're at people are climbing up and they're getting ready to beat you I think that's one thing that George st. Pierre did well he never stopped training you know and he's always been improving on his skill set and doing things you know like you see him now he does a lot of acrobatic stuff like in the water and flips but like he's always improving you know and I think that's the thing that's hard to be a champion is because you once you're at the top a lot of people are satisfied with where they're at they're like I made it this was my goal and they didn't think beyond that right cuz becoming the champion is already such a high goal such a difficult thing to do that I think most people never even think well how many title defenses am I gonna have or you know what's going to be my legacy besides being just a one-time champ and everything changes man money changed you know like before but before when I first came to America I remember me I blew my knee for $1,000 tournament who is it thousand dollar tournament right in the hue hue I was spinning spinning spinning got out won the tournament $1,000 at I was rich you know money changes man then eventually gonna somebody's gonna tell you hey man you better travel to to make 1,000 then you're gonna I don't know about any increases you know that's human and we champions is the same thing like being a champion is good okay and then you have our other responsibilities you know and that's why we have to may admire these bushes Rodgers know like Linda Lucas laugh premier the guy won his first title and then he waited seven years to win again man you know he won his first came to America and then he was every single we're trying for seven years can you imagine that man now his Lucas Leppard you know and there's a reason why he's Lucas laughter you know and yeah I mean I loved history about sports because my so amazing how people can reinvent themselves you know and I think that's the biggest thing it's not just winning beating all the people being bad better or whatever is the ability to man when something is bad I go back home and train more and get better you know and there's not only the training is the mindset sue because I just say if they do the same thing that they did 10 years ago he's not gonna work today so you have to stay ahead you know and that's beautiful man let me ask you because I know I think I wasn't around when you had just moved from Brazil to the you to Maryland and you were training with a lloyd irvin I you were a brown belt I believe at the time is that correct when you came here don't remember I think yeah I think so I think Ron balanced yeah yeah and I know because I know how Boyd works in the sense that he always works to educate you just beyond martial arts and I said and I know you you have an amazing following online you have a huge YouTube channel and so we're having all that I just wanted to get you up talk because unfortunately I don't speak Portuguese I know you have a tremendous following there and it's a lot of self-help stuff from what I've seen in the locational chat so they tell us a little bit about that what got you started on that okay so he's great man like Lloyd he's he can sense your ability to do something even before you can sense it you know even before you can see it I remember when I first got here we were in the car going to New York to fight a tournament right my English were pretty bad but I was the best English speaker in the group you know three guys my English is horrible but it's better than these guys so I was the one who he would talk to me all the time and I kind of told him like what I did in Brazil how my life how was there growing up and everything and I remember my brother both proper belly and then he told me man you need to write a book this guy's crazy write a book I would have read my own book nobody wants to read something like that that's normal you know but I didn't understand the culture difference like that's normal for us in Brazil to have stories like that but I'm like a lot a lot of other places there are different kind of stories I'm not saying it's better or worse it's just different right so he told me that but six years ago and then okay whatever you know so I I didn't want to hear you know so eventually he start saying stuff here and there that would make sense but he wasn't trying to make me change he was just planning seeds on my heart on my mind you know for me to think about it you know so I think that's the great part about him and about my things that are doing Brazil was that I always thought that Brazil I shouldn't leave with you you know and then next thing I knew I was living here together we're going to see you dominate because my mind was MMA understand why Brazil s came here to teach Americans I didn't understand the adult life right and then I was living here man I have to help my friends right because they stood there you know and I have to make sure that they see and experience what I'm experiencing here so I started to make videos and I remember I will have 50 people watching you know and I would be imagine imagine 50 people here watching you know me talking because I wasn't a structure so I wasn't used to being you know the main attention and my friends didn't watch my stuff man I got so sad but I kept doing it you know and eventually became a hundred and then 500 and then a thousand ten thousand a hundred thousand you know and it's funny and I feel useful you know because I could just do stuff in English would be nice you know what would make a little money but in my mind I was like man I have to help myself ten years ago five years ago you know and that's how I started now man no no he's a little different you know because because a warm world I actually got somewhere but I was kind of man I'm here I don't know what I'm gonna get I don't know if I'm gonna win this if I'm gonna find him ma if I'm gonna fight you Jitsu but I'm trying to help you know and that's what happened you know and nowadays man I'm doing good over there you know and I feel useful that's the biggest thing you know I you know we're saying there it's very true I think the fact that you're enjoying what you're doing and you're being genuine because you're very sincere and you know you are exactly as you portray yourself you know that I've had the pleasure of training with you and coaching you I haven't trained with you yet I think I've only Coast I think you've run me in the ground it's your way the people I think the first guys I saw that man this guy looks like the Batman cartoon I think that's awesome that what you've been doing I think the fact that you stayed speaking to Brazilians I think was probably a better thing because they can identify with you more since you're coming from there and it's probably a segment that's not as targeted you know because most of the Americans are only going after our American you know but let's get but it's you know that like I watch now with this quarantine things I watched kibriya doing Portuguese content man and that made me so happy you know because you were the guy who he will never speak Portuguese publicly you know and some people even think he's American but so in my mind was kind of good for me that I did all that and I had so good some good results that Brazilians now are going back you know and they actually doing both they do a hybrid content and that makes me so happy you know and I eventually want to do any English shoe you know I was actually talking to Lloyd this morning you know I I'm thinking about so many things specially now in quarantine you have more time to think and I'm like man I have to come up with something because now their money difference is so crazy that you if you make thousand reais that's like three hundred dollars you know so it's so crazy that I think it's two hundred crazy crazy crazy and I wanna do English you know I want to do a little bit here I think it's great because everybody know it's doing both and that helps everybody and we have a lot of talent in Brazil man and I think we shouldn't forget that of course now it's harder to get to America with Trump closing the borders for Brazilians and everything but I hope eventually things get bad at you normal you know yeah how are things are you still in Maryland right now I'm in Virginia Virginia Virginia how was the whole thing there man I today went to the trail I was also Mike and it was open oh nice you know and I think I think we just reached phase one so it's pretty it's pretty I wouldn't say good I just got my first haircut and three months savings oh my god but they make my trim my beard with the mask on I'm like no way you gotta make it yeah he didn't want to do my beard like dude this is I came here for the beard like you you have like a you've had a very successful career in BJJ and you did mention MMA is that something it's still on the horizon or how do you feel about that these days I don't think so man I love watching MMA but I I hate watching when they do crazy stuff like that they were doing last weekend two weeks ago you know like he won the match and you know he's just a little bit like a DCC you know they do whatever they want and another part about ever made that I don't like and I think I wouldn't be able to survive for many years doing that it's trash talk man you know since I trained hard I know you're training hard too so I appreciate you man just being there you know for me and you have to promote the fights like that I don't think that's my thing you know even though I like I like training MMA better than I like training jiu-jitsu I love groaning pounding oh my god so many things about anime but I don't think that's my thing you know like the money can be better but it's not gonna be better for most people you know and that's something that people get confused to they think oh my god just because you're doing MA you reach and that's not true and if you don't fight you don't make money you know and they and the people who are watching you they want to watch you compete they don't want to learn from you that's the difference in jiu-jitsu people even though you can of course make money fighting but people still wanna learn from you you know and I appreciate you and you and you can have like a less stressful lifestyle you know you and your students you know people who admire you you admire them so thinkest betterment it's just better in every single aspect you know that's a that's a good difference you point out too as far as the the spectators because like you said jiu-jitsu is a very participant heavy sport like the people who watch the Jitsu or also training and sometimes competing but MMA it's a very small fraction that actually trained you have a lot of guys are just yelling punch them in the face oh they are drugged they won't see you dying well I would say you might entertain the possibility of one Fc because they have a very different culture right I like what I'm seeing from I like them too I like that too I have I have a couple friends here that fight down and yam and they'd be two men very gay huge over there yeah and they're trying to make headway here in the US but the biggest organization or show arts as far as like the proliferate I think they had a chart of the the most broadcasted sports and they were in the top I think they were number 5 or number 6 men's I mean it's it's big time you know and I do like that like you said because that's something that the Asian mixed martial art world always had which was respect you very very rarely saw people trash talking I think besides rampage you know that was about it rampage was a one guy that was talking a lot like crap and pride you know and that was his shtick but everybody else is very respectful I mean they will fight though filed elevators they will find the dining room and everything yeah yeah it's a cultural difference right between the east and west I like that and in the West it's it's a bar fight it's not a ceremony or is it I got I pride is all my all-time favorite event because in Pride you felt that it was a huge event but it was also a ceremony it was two warriors engaging in combat I never got that feel from the UFC when everyone was more it was more pro wrestling than it was a you know reminded me more of a boxing or just they're good at selling tickets but I don't know man I like the there's there's something very special about like a room full of people who truly respect the fighters and they're there to watch it our form the part right whereas in UFC I think they just look at it as a bar fight yeah and they they wanted to be like a bar fight you know that's what they want they expect something to go wrong if we like because the samurais right in Japan or the Buddha's you know the monkeys they teach the society how to deal with the hard part you know like now I tell my friends man like you for trained jiu-jitsu man and there's a fight everybody's gonna look at you for guidance you know and if you freak out man come on you're a fighter you you're supposed to be calm and understanding you know handle the situation and I think fighters should especially now with the mainstream attention we should teach people how to live better man like man why would you get out of the car fight somebody else in the traffic they could have a gun you know they could just beat your ass you know like please man like be understand yourself like try to put a little oxygen in your brain breathe breathe maybe got a few better you know and I don't think we do what we're supposed to do when it comes to teaching people the philosophy you know and a lot of times you're just trying to sell DVDs man I DVD buy my DVD man man come on let me show you what I learned in ten years training he's not just techniques you know and I think that's what's something that we are not doing right because the immigration we came to America we want that money but man come on like martial arts man we have to I mean we don't have to nobody has to do anything but I think we should and we could help people man just man calm down man everything's all right it's one thing that you just mentioned I've been saying in a lot of the podcasts I've been on about the documentary because learning about the history of Judo and the development of BJJ from judo and so on it made me notice one thing I had never paid attention to I never realized that you just kind of touched on it a little bit is that BJJ as an art lacks a philosophical cornerstone we don't have it our philosophy is surf culture it's it's what I call the hakuna matata culture it's like flip-flops boardshorts SI e after practice and it's something very endearing like it is fun but like we don't have that philosophical that Confucian a cornerstone that is so present in Japanese society their respect the hierarchy the honor our honor is such an important word in the Japanese vocabulary you don't hear it in the Western vocabulary you don't hear it in Portuguese like no one even uses the word like you know what the word means but it doesn't come up in conversation because it's not something important people and I BJJ is very deficient in that regard like we don't have that right and I wonder how how cohesive the art of BJJ will be in the next 50 100 years because we don't have that where's judo I think that judo is I think it's gonna be around forever and their culture is that I didn't learned that I create that in jiu-jitsu and if you create it there is no history you'd like I believe that every master has a master you know every master has a master so in order sports or even yoga man if you go to y'all that they always go to respect the Yogi's right they old guys and everything and the meditation you were gonna have somebody so in jiu-jitsu we kind of wanna create something so we can sell more DVDs we can make more seminars you know and it's cool it's fun like everybody gotta survive but I think man every time you say man I learned this from the source you know there is a source and I went there and learned from the source and I'm very grateful for that and that creates true student oh my god so now you passing the soy for me when they're you learn now you passing now I have their responsibility to pass to my students ooh you know so there's a whole different mentality it's not a make appointment you can sue sell DVDs like that you know because you have the information from the source you should watch guys like volantis brothers you know that's all they say you know if you agree or not these other thing but they say hey I learned from hell you crazy and you should be able to defend yourself from the street fight or whatever they say and they kind of doing this we have the source and that's the source I'm giving you the information from the source and I think that's very important man that's why I admire these guys I've watched them I want to go there and learn from them a little bit because yeah I think we don't have that as much you know I think a lot of people feel that if they give credit to somebody else for something they learn then it takes away from men right because they like feeling like I'm the girl I'm the guy that was a genius and I put everything together and you need to come to me for everything you know versus yeah I'm sorry and but you know what you say is true like nobody there's very few people that created an initial idea by themselves and those are what I would consider true geniuses these are people and even if you did you had to get somewhere yeah so everywhere you look there is somebody else's hard work to help you yes the iPhone the computer on the cars on the streets you know on the houses man everything you look around is somebody else's effort you know so we have to understand that and be grateful man you know even the Sun and everything else you know the trees the other animals the nature you know everything come to make sure your life was possible you know if you hear you have to take somebody you know so we don't think about that that's why sometimes we get depressed man because we don't see the meaning or weed or kids and then eventually we become parents and that's life man you know we're not here forever yeah that's a good point man I think that you know you just touch up something that people miss out on but I think that you what you you but the main point there is that you can see an evolution in yourself as a from a competitor to becoming someone a technologist it's become a complete martial artist you have to have a far deeper understanding of people nature in life and it's part of the evolution like sometimes I'll because I feel like about martial arts the same way you do like I do feel that I'm in a moment in my life where I can appreciate other things as part of the journey and it's not just about the metal in the technique but if I burned myself when I was 20 years old talking like it myself I'd be like shut the [ __ ] up old man you sound like it sounds like notches but you're because when you're young you're arrogant and the only thing that matters is victory right but it does say something about the evolution of yourself as a person as a competitor and I think it's a natural process like you go through these stages and and I really the word I use is improvement or evolution there's no way out of it it's not I would have seen it 20 years ago it's differently but what also reminds me that try to tell this to a 20 year old it's kind of a waste of your breath because they're not gonna understand it so I don't waste like I'll give you the message but they don't want to hear it they think you're crazy and they don't see that they're not ready for it like there's some things that you're not ready for in life so I think it's really cool to leave the message out there but don't waste your breath on people that don't want to hear it man because some people just aren't at the right place in their life 100% 100% and look what you what we have to sell I think sometimes is happiness you know because with the track if we try to sell money like a man do this and they're going to be a millionaire and people think they believe they're gonna be eventually happy when they get that money and they're gonna work hard they're gonna get there and then okay know what because they didn't think about getting it and they've eventually they're gonna get if it was more if you work hard if you plant the seeds if you have the mentors and everything you're gonna get but you're not you're not ready to be happy sometimes and that was me that was myself for winning worlds I won't world and then I felt empty for some reason known as I man why couldn't miss because I try I worked for this ten years man and then I got here and I should be super happy something magical should supposed to be happening right now and it's not you know and I then I noticed that man happiness is not that you know like happiness is the journey man's wake up like today I didn't have the jutsu I did I don't have a right now by the way I did the trails I see the nature I breath oh my god feeling great and sometimes you have money you have everything and you feel empty a few miserable sometimes and I think I'm not like when I talk to people I'm not trying to tell them I'm right you're wrong because that's what I think most did you guys do I don't know if it's that self-esteem kind of deal but I I feel that people say man I'm the champion you were nothing shut up and listen what I'm saying and that's good because of course you know a lot by going through the hard work and everything you learn a lot of things but that doesn't make you God or something you know and if you if you tell people they're man you don't you don't have to be here is a matter to be happy you can be happy right there where you are you know and if if you I know it's hard to make people understand that baby but if somebody understands that man that person eventually is gonna be the one billionaire you know the one winning worlds or everything because they're gonna just appreciate the time that they have you know available for them and yeah I'm a I try to I try to tell that to people you know man just relax you know a little bit relax I know it's hard everybody's broke right now do you think it's just you that's your problem everybody's broke when oh man well you have time you know you last year you you you complain that you didn't have time now you have it you know yeah were you saying I think it's something that hopefully it sinks is everybody's head because you are right there's many millionaires and Hollywood celebrities that are miserable and they have all the power and fame of the world and it doesn't fill that void right if they have nothing you to be broke you have to make money but that's not the only thing you have to be looking for you know yeah I think that is what people should carry away from the martial arts is learning how to be fulfilled or enlightened just by your own effort and I feel like combat is a great way of knowing yourself and learning again of somebody else no better way yeah oh my god yeah but yeah when it's hard when it's hard breathe breathe what is easy enjoy you know but you have to understand is gonna get hard you know and when it's how you you have to what this is gonna get good eventually too you know so you have to understand the two extremes right every single minute in jiu-jitsu or any fighting or doing yoga or whatever you're gonna face the streams more frequently than somebody who don't do much and then as soon as I have a little problem they call three Commodores they're gonna take this the end of the world but it's not yeah I think that's what's important about the martial arts because it puts you in front of dangerous situations very often all right and most people like I said don't and they they're like oh I got my homeworks leg on the freakin now it's like this that homework means nothing it's a game right when you're fighting someone and trying to save your life but but the betting yourself that is the most important thing to protect in your health so for me the martial arts puts things in perspective of what's important and what's not and like to me the most important thing is your health because without your health you can't appreciate anything right you could have all the riches of the world you could have great family but if you're dead you can't enjoy them and you can't you know help them so that you have to take care of yourself in your health and I think them is not just physical but it's also mental and being being available so the chase for the medals the chase for the money and for fame these are all fun games to play but they're not the I to me they're not a purpose yeah that's not life that's something yeah to me like you said the purpose is is happiness and that's different things for different people but I think at the end of the day it comes down to loving something whether it's your family or whatever is your patch in your life I'm a grateful man being grateful you should not worry about the money that you don't have we don't have that money that's who make like learn how to make money you know but don't be worried about the money that you don't have you know what it is it's we in modern society we've created they perhaps has always been the case but now think more than ever we've created a number of hierarchies you know and it goes popularity money and I think that to discount these things it's discount being human there's a reason why you want money there's a reason why you enjoy populate or there's a reason why you have been it's part of being human right but like I think the problem is not so much that we have these feelings the problem is that the hierarchy has been it's off you know the hierarchy off to be well being it off to be helping others it ought to be loved it ought to be a being a better human being a better coach and I think at some point in that heart you're gonna throw money in there you need the money you need it's it's funny things is there's nothing wrong with one in a nice house and I'm strong but if that's what you go bed thinking about every night I have a hard time in mind anyone like that like when I look at the people that just all about the money in the grind and making it happen in 12 hours a day just for the money I have a really hard time in marring those people because I don't see anything in their and their behavior that makes me want to be like them you know like I could see I could see sometimes it's like it's the it's the coach that it's teaching like the kids in the favelas in Rio okay III admire those guys more than I do the billionaires sometimes because I feel they're actually doing more for the world in some ways and I think that that's the real problem it's that we have lost track of of bitter is a hierarchy and it is a good one now all right now we got to sort of flipped upside down that's how I feel about it yeah and you know just like you're saying like right now money is the currency of power right and that's everybody wants to be powerful in some way but that's just something that we've agreed to it's not like a universal law like there's tribes out there in the middle of nowhere that had never heard of money or Internet and they have people that are very happy with in life so fulfilled and they've never heard of all the these structures that we've created right like oh I have to be like the smartest guy or have to be like that doesn't exist for them their their existence might be more simple it's just about survival about putting through their table and coming into their you know their community and that's it and but they have a different meaning of what power is right for them power might be like I am keep them in my tribe or I have access to this but right now we have made it money here in the modern world and less and less people have it and so it makes people frustrated right because they're like I'm supposed to have the money to be considered good but I don't have it and I don't know how to get it and if you look at like it's funny you ever mention it but like if you were trying to sell guide some spiritual enlightenment or whatnot you would do far less well than if you were or telling people how to get money like that one of the best sectors in business like an info products is telling people how to make money it's actually telling people how I'm making money off of you by buying my product I know there's a place for that you know of course like if you follow and you make money that's great but like you said I think the more important things about learning how to be happy with yourself right and those are things that more people like shy away from right like it because if you're gonna do a seminar like you about leaked it got out there and say I'm gonna teach a seminar on how to be a better version of yourself at least what I know about it maybe it works for you maybe it does it versus alia I'm gonna show you how to slam people on their head using her bio she you know in the juicer circle everybody wants to go to the higher I go she seminar right then they're not gonna go it sucks that that's the way it is right yeah yeah for sure yeah I think ma'am a lot of times we're just trying to be useful you know we want a few useful we want a few attractive you know we want a few oh my god I want to like myself so somebody else can like myself too can life can like me you know so a lot of times where you just gotta you just have to understand and that's all for knowledge right you mentioned that before the more your training the more you'll know yourself the more to know how you react on hard times or easy times and then you don't freak out anymore and that's maturity that's evolution what like when I don't know it it's great like I'm I want to be great you know I want to make a lot of money I do well but in the other hand like it we say Portuguese I don't want to sell my soul for it you know and a lot of people don't know they're the limit that they should go for that you know and that's when they train so hard to over train you know and that's us we all do that you know in certain levels like sometimes I change too much and then next day I can train cuz I'm a just you know my ambition to be good made me go over my limit you know so that's something that's a lifetime task man and I soon as you learn you're not supposed to be here anymore you know so that's why it's so funny to you know to leave and enjoy and approach everything a great message there ally you have anything else that you want to tell our audience and that people know about no man it was great it was great just talk about everything but it's because it's huge it's on a deeper level we started this we always say like we wanted to talk about jiu-jitsu on a deep or lob with it just not just about what's your favorite sweep what's your favorite joke you know like let's this there's got to be more important things to be said and known for the audience than just you know your favorite techniques so I think that with this this podcast has been a good representation of what we strive to do and and actually that's what we do every single day you know as soon as we stand in front of the students we're not just giving them techniques we're giving energy you know we're showing that that besides everything is bad we don't have no money or whatever we have family problems you we have job we have other kind of problems too but we're here for you you know I'm here with my all my face trying to make a day feel a little better you know because of the two hours I'm giving you or you given me I don't know we're changing energy you know we're creating a healthy environment for everybody for the world and I think that's how we're supposed to be little bit awesome how many where can people find you online your YouTube Instagram oh okay I have I have an English YouTube man but I don't usually upload that much but it's like how one way jiu-jitsu and my Instagram is a ly BJJ and basically that's a man that's what I do little and YouTube Instagram do you have any DVDs you're ready I want to do something to teach people how to troll other people or at least just survive you know because I had a guy man he he would fly from London to here just to do quit fighting with me because they all start from their knees or his gym and he wanted to compete and I understand that's a problem and a lot of people they wants to compete but they start rolling on their knees you know and out and now they're not really trying to throw anybody but they just want to survive and don't and those we call it 30 in 30 seconds you know so I kind of want to do something like that but I don't have a date yet you know when that comes around you let us know definitely one of the better throwers in the game thank you very much for your time all right and for listeners we'll see you on the next episode he's up thank you very much thank you having [Music]