BTG 40 - Robert Ingraham

[Music] hey what's going on this is David Avalon Hugh my co-host Robert Drysdale for another episode of breaking the guard and today's episode we have a very special guest his Instagram handle is Mikkel Joel life you've probably seen his videos out there being reposted anywhere including on the Joe Rogan experience Robert Ingraham thank you for joining the show hey man thanks for having me I appreciate it so I know Roberts is like these I know you have a documentary coming up as well so we got two people here two barbers documentaries coming up but yours is obviously the McDo Joe's now just so we don't have anybody in a dark go ahead and please explain to us what Joe is well I have five very specific rules to what I consider a McDo Joe they basically cover every martial art um you know because like the little stupid [ __ ] to me doesn't matter like how long it takes you to get your black belt is kind of arbitrary like because there is no standard it's based off of skill or your instructor and all that so you can't make that a rule so when people make fun of that I don't necessarily call that a Mikoto it's just one of many red flags I could pop up basically to me and the Joe Joe is anything that falls under the umbrella of pedophiles there are over 450 confirmed cases of pedophilia in the martial arts from it was 1984 all the way 2018 most of those cases were multiple cases were an instructor with molest children for a very long period of time in multiple ones as well so it's a huge problem in the martial arts people always kind of ignore that because they're so busy being petty about who charges what or how long it takes someone to get a black belt that they forget that there are major issues that were ignoring or the small petty [ __ ] next is I know touch knockouts or mislabeling technique so for instance obviously you can't knock people out with your mind right we already know that it's pretty funny to watch what believe or not there are thousands of people who believe this come on but another dangers mislabeling technique so like for instance if something's like acrobatic kicking which i think is cool is [ __ ] right people jump flipping kicking [ __ ] like that that's awesome if it's labeled sit-up when it's not cool is when you miss label it and you take something that's obviously something that's more theatrical and you label it a self-defense well now what you're doing is basically switching the labels from poison to horns it's gonna get someone hurt and so it's important that we're honest and open with our students about what it is we're teaching them the next thing would be shady business practices people who are financially ripping off or taking advantage of their students that's pretty much self-explanatory the next is uh unsafe training practices like for instance I saw this video of these guys and a martial arts to do boxing with no headgear with gloves on the street one guy got hooked got knocked out hit his head on concrete and died so that's unsafe that doesn't help you you might be street legit or whatever the [ __ ] you want to call it but really all it's doing is you're putting your students in extreme danger which is not cool and then finally lying about your belt rank or your fight record is big right just don't lie about that cuz if you're gonna lie about your belt rank or your fight record chances are good you'll lie about absolutely everything else you're gonna teach people cuz that's like question one you know like hey man what do you teach oh I'm a black belt in such-and-such right so like you're gonna lie about the first question right off the bat you'll probably lie about everything else I think because we're all involved in the martial arts obviously and we've seen people who lie about just all sorts of crazy things I know people I mean I the one story I could remember I had a guy come into my gym to Train and he said that he was an Olympic alternate in greco-roman wrestling in Barcelona and I looked at him and I didn't believe it right he was an in bad shape but he didn't have that aura you know like if you're that type of top level wrestler there's a certain confidence that you project or cockiness if you will that would be easily detectable which was non-existent so I'm looking at him okay and we'll find out soon enough you know so we went through to wrestle and now throwing him around all over the place and I am a high school wrestler even though a lot of people I was at college or whatever I had never even made states in high school so obviously that was BS you know that never happened but people will say that you know I think it's funny especially when people do that in a situation where they're gonna get exposed really fast like in this case but I know in in the cases that you're talking about that's the more damaging because when you're a new student you don't know anything about anything so if a guy tells you I'm a black belt he's wearing the black belt he has a school why wouldn't you believe him especially when you see other people there they're training they do believe it so it it's I appreciate that this is a service that you perform in because it does have to be done because unfortunately there's a lot of ignorance of the martial arts even within their circle and if there's nobody out there that's you know ringing that bell like hey you gotta watch out for this guy and especially when you're talking about like it's not like pedophilia that's crazy you know that's like there was some website I came across too and it was dedicated to nothing but listing pedophiles who were martial arts instructors like they even put a video online the video is like an hour and a half on YouTube and eventually I'll post it like I try to post that stuff sparingly cuz I like to make my stuff more satirical so it's kind of funny but like there's nothing funny about pedophilia right that's like nothing funny about so like one day I'm just gonna post the entire hour-and-a-half thing on my YouTube stories or on YouTube and I'm gonna try to get it on as much as I can on Instagram and just like show people like look the story after story after story after story after story of nothing but these people taking advantage of the position that they're in above other people because like Marshall is very weird and the fact that there is no regulating body to it like as a whole so like there for instance what blows my mind is you can become a certified plumber right you can like go to work to clean up other people's [ __ ] and have to be certified to do so legally but to teach people self-defense in which they might have to rely on what you taught them to live or protect their family you just make a [ __ ] up you can be like of course I know what I'm talking about look at it I got the black belt you know I make Dave's words my own and it really is a service and I'm glad you're doing this because this is something I think that every true martial artist on this planet did we feel this way here's a problem with this discussion is that when you say something you come across as a hater like criticism is not allowed because you're just hating cuz they make more money than you like no I have no issues with people that make more money than me there's plenty of them in the world yeah zero I have literally any other job I don't like fraud's in general it doesn't matter which profession they're not just martial arts but you're right about the plumbing thing is it's a great point because our job you're literally telling people that you could protect yourself in the life of a loving with this technique and that should be illegal if you don't know what you're talking about I think you're actually putting yourself and other people at risk based off of an assumption that what that flying spinning kick is gonna work in you're gonna teach that some of that like risk grabbing stuff when old lady and she's gonna be able to survive one day because the conversation is not an honest one it is guided by financial interests and that's what clouds everything and stops you know a serious discussion for me and actually mmm it drags the name and reputation of martial arts in the mud because of these people and I agree like you brought up something that is a humongous point I don't know if you meant to do it but you definitely did it so it's good point though so the thing about the martial arts is it's already a niche market anyway right not everybody does martial arts I think that it's something that most people should at least try one time to understand kind of like firearms right I'm of the opinion that I think even if you don't like firearms you don't go out shooting every day I still think that to protect yourself especially if you have some type of physical disability like if you've ever trained or talked martial arts before you know you get people to come across your door who have cerebral palsy who have met about physical conditions or ailments and no matter how much you teach them they will always be at a disadvantage so I'm of them set of the mind that they should be able to be prepared with a firearm but with that said I kind of went off on a tangent I think that once you start teaching martial arts you realize how much of a niche we are inside the niche so martial arts as a whole is already in niche market because not everybody does it but inside that niche is karate and Taekwondo and judo and Aikido and Kempo and even the list goes on forever and inside each one of those niches they all think they have it ranked karate is better because of this jiu-jitsu is better because of UFC [ __ ] you we already proved it bla bla bla and there's all this internal fighting and it almost always boils down to what you said it makes you sound like a hate here because of financial reasons so when I started at McDowell put down five specific rules that had nothing to do almost nothing to do with bettering me [ __ ] me who cares about me who cares about the specific art it's all about five things that we can all agree upon as a team instead of hating on each other and going while I kick your ass like okay well that doesn't solve the problem or the argument so finally actually one of the biggest problems in the martial arts is we like to label things as a mcdo Joe because of money alone like you're go that guy was financially successful so he has to be a mcdowell that's not [ __ ] true it's not even close to true it means he's financially successful because he took what he learned before and just followed the same path with money like for instance if you're in the martial arts jiu-jitsu for instance you have an instructor above you who you'll call your professor or your master or whatever and you learn from them right but then all of a sudden when we open up a martial arts studio we go you know what the thing that I did the exact same path of learning from someone before me who knows what they're talking about ah [ __ ] that I'll figure it out on my own right and then when you financially fail you point the finger at the guy across the street and you blame him you go oh he's stealing all my students because they're charging less cuz they're a mcdo Joe all they're just ripping me below that's the most asinine thing I've ever heard because the martial arts supposed to the opposite of that when you [ __ ] up you know who you blame you you made the mistake you got caught in the armbar you got caught in the rear naked choke you didn't put in the reps or the time to make sure you defended that the way you should have but then when it comes to business all everybody tosses around McDo Joe like that's the thing well the problem is up to this point nobody's really given it parameters and I think that that's important we all need to be on the same page as to what that and most of the time is something completely illegal not because someone's doing financially well but because they're doing illegal shady [ __ ] that would get someone hurt or killed I totally agree with you I feel like you there must be a story here Robert of how you got involved with this because I got smoked there either I get sure mine going quickly which isn't a mcdo story per se but it is a little bit of the illusion sometimes when you get because I America the first marshal I trained in with G kundo and I got into it because I saw Bruce Lee movies and Lego Bruce Lee's a man I read the pal Jeet Kune Do is a 13 year old kid and I thought man this guy's a guru he's very wise and I want to learn the art that he did idea sounds cool and I went to training school and the and the guy who ran the school very nice still friends with him but it was more of the art form being done versus like this is going to be a competition or even like a self defense scenario and my brother and I we had trained for like a year straight doing private lessons came to every class and oddly enough this school was mostly older people like they were all in their 20s at least you know usually like 30 40 and that we were like 14 15 we're like an anomaly I mean and uh once my blood I started getting competitive America we were doing Kali and the screamer and there with the stick fighting with the bamboo and my cousin had a kendo sword and like oh I went as far with you with a kendo he's like okay and I was trying to do the trapping of the gun ting and he just couldn't get whacked in the head back pop and I could never find the stick you know and the reason why we never sparred in the gym all we did was pad work and like kata is pretty much you know we're just doing forms we never sparred and the second awakening my brother had a girlfriend who came from a Taekwondo family all black belts like the brothers sister and mother dad everybody and they sparred regularly and they were very good at Taekwondo but they challenged my brother all you should come to his firing day and we both went with a oh we're gonna show these guys you know who's boss I'm Phase two and you could go now and we went there and got our asses handed to us and like the highlight of the evening was my buddy gangs sidekick by fifty-year-old into the wall gets and he slides down the wall like the cartoon with a painting falling on top of his head at that point we're like we're done with chicken though and we ended up going into wrestling and that migrated to a whole thing but the whole thing was that we were sold this idea that we were in a art that was going to be Street applicable and it wasn't you know it is a beautiful art but it wasn't the same you know and I guess there's varying degrees of the mcdo Joe and I always see this is probably not even there we just probably uh know what we're getting into but tell us Robert like what got you into starting with Joe Joe life well I mean I got I started when I was 12 years old like martial arts and I was born with a cleft palate so I have scars on my face and I was constantly going to school and getting picked on because I was in and out of sir I mean I had so many surgeries before I was 16 years old it was ridiculous and then after I come to school with swelling on my face or new scars or new stitches and so I got picked on all the time and then I actually got hospitalized by a group of kids that jumped me and so they beat the [ __ ] out of me for like five minutes and the worst part was it's like the only reason I know it was five minutes is because of the bells for class so the bell rang they started beating the [ __ ] out of me then the next bell rang that means you're supposed to be in the next class and they they beat me that entire time taking a five minute ass whipping from a large group of Kansas sucks ass I need this to say and I've had my ass beat a lot over the years I mean come on if you're in the martial arts you've taken an ass whoopin or two right but like this is the worst and the worst part about that was two teachers stood there and watched the whole thing and did nothing about it there was some type of a rule where the truancy officer the officer on site was supposed to be the person who broke up fights but lucky me he was across the campus breaking up another fight and so there I was getting my ass beat and teachers were afraid to get sued it was ridiculous and so I am I started martial arts like the next month like I had asked my mom to do everything but my friend who was late to the class thanks homie he showed up picked me up and handed me a card and took me to the nurse and when he was walking me there he handed me a card said you need this and I I looked at the card it was for karate and I never stopped since I've been doing martial arts ever since start karate you know I got a taste for that started boxing did kickboxing of course is that's a natural progression going karate boxing and then why not how you kick two bucket and I've always been mediocre to be honest like you know I even got onto an international kickboxing team called team full circle we traveled internationally in kickboxing wakow Nazca circuits and stuff like that and that was never great but I always loved it and I love teaching and I thought that it did way more for me then of course that's cliche but I thought I did way more for me and then teach me how to punch and kick people I've been doing jiu-jitsu now for over nine years I'm I'm a purple belt so that goes to show you how mediocre I am but um I love it and I truly enjoy it and so when I started McDowell life I was coaching jiu-jitsu I was a blue belt and I was substituting a class because my instructor was very sick he said hey dude man just come in like I don't feel well just run him through a drill or two and then let him safar the rest of the class and just just supervise so I was like all right [ __ ] it I'll do that went in did that and then after class is over it was a noon class we all sat around we shot the [ __ ] you know chitchat and talk to me started talking about mcdo jokes and there was a new guy there who didn't say a word the entire conversation it was like a second class ever and then everybody left and he stayed back and as I was about to lock up he goes hey man can I ask you a question what's a mcdo Joe and I was like uh well I gave him what has now become the blueprint for what I consider the five rules and he goes huh well how come in nobody does anything about that and then I said I don't know and then he left and then the next did that whole night I couldn't stop thinking about this [ __ ] house lease [ __ ] spending two classes right and he's brought an epiphany to me why doesn't anybody do anything about this and I thought about like the other things that were already out there there was already like a bull Shido was already out at the time and that was a big thing but bull Shido it and at that time started and evolution away from just martial arts and became like [ __ ] of everything and even during bullshi toes like heyday there wasn't any ever solutions brought up there was always just like let's just hate to hate it was like well that doesn't actually solve a like we have a major problems we have major issues here why don't we address those and I started off doing these long-form essay kind of shits or I would like go and really do deep deep deep research and type out these long cuz I that time and Sarandon exists so I was just doing these Facebook diatribes I'm like alright well this is [ __ ] and that's [ __ ] and here's some [ __ ] this guy lied about that and he lied about this no one [ __ ] read it I mean I maybe had 50 followers no one gave a [ __ ] and then one day out of nowhere I was like you know what I don't have time to like to sit here and dig into another like long article so I just posted up this like old video and I don't remember what it was some comedy martial arts skit and my [ __ ] like doubled in size that day I mean we're talking like I have been doing this [ __ ] for like a month or two and then all of a sudden I post something that's just irrelevant and funny and it blew up and I was like [ __ ] I put in hours and hours and hours of work giving real legitimate research I copy and paste on my [ __ ] go to double's then so I was like alright well maybe there's something here so I started making a little bit more satirical and now it kind of has the format that it has now I don't say much maybe put a couple words up there I toss it up and I let people have their own thoughts and opinions and ideas and I noticed that it kind of makes it so that way it weeds out people on their own people have their own open ideas and discussions and now it's a little bit more of an open discourse than me telling people how to think me telling because I should have that ability like I shouldn't be telling anybody out of things people should think on their own but what I can do is I can guide them and say hey man this guy thinks he can knock people that was mine if you believe that [ __ ] that's on you but at least I'm telling you what he believes you know but that seems to it worked I mean right now I think we're over 300 thousand followers on Instagram 23 thousand followers on YouTube and I'm just kind of figuring it out as I go the hard part which sucks I'm the only [ __ ] guy doing it because you mentioned the bushido and I heard of them and you point out a good that's something very like very cool hearing you go well they don't have a solution of the problem have you ever considered maybe organizing some kind of martial arts Union that you know certifies instructors I don't know I mean that's been at the government level I think that you you got to get certified for just about anything I remember Zil for you to teach like any kind of sport like swimming basketball volleyball you have to have government credentials you can't just go and teach it oh I've been playing basketball my whole life it says who where are your credentials like yeah and martial arts more than other sports my opinion could ask contact where you get a business license like a Nevada we have what we call the privileged business license which is the same license of masseuse has because you're touching people right yeah but it's not enough because it's not just the fact that okay the person is not a pet or okay that's great congratulations but it's also it's also that knowledge like where do your credentials come from like an IV to Jeff's defense like they have made an effort to so like you have to have a certain amount of years per rank which makes being ranked a lot harder so you can't rush your way to a black coat and have the certificate on the wall but I would if there were ways that we could organize this and you know attempt to give him more credibility because you're right it is a problem like not everyone is qualified to teach but the audience the public is not educated enough to tell the difference so I've had this come up a lot and it's a fantastic thought it's a very difficult one for myself to kind of navigate like I I've been doing this for nine years I just got to the point now where I can hire I hired somebody to do my podcast right so I was like all right I'll have [ __ ] time but um what I kind of noticed is if you don't wind up self-regulating the government will do it for you it always happens that way and so that's my biggest fear is one I'm terrified to be the person in charge of that [ __ ] I just really am I really am like the the burden and the weight that that would honestly carry to basically give people the checkmark of a legitimate or not legitimate is a very difficult one because even like I've had people schools closed down I've had I've had people like called out and we're gonna win from five-star schools to one like III it really is that alone keeps me up at night thinking did I [ __ ] up did I make a mistake did I ruin that person's life by an accident and so do I think there should be some standards yes do I think there should be a governing body it would have to be so played out and thought out that it would have to cover every martial art so like it went in for instance when we're looking at jiu-jitsu alone right the IBJJF has done a good job in certain respects and they [ __ ] up other things but that's just heavy is the crown right you're gonna do some things right you're gonna mess up other things but how does that affect karate and how does that affect every version of karate how does that affect kung-fu and how does that affect every version of come true for instance Indonesian salat for instance has over 200 different versions of salat 200 and that's just Indonesian salat that's not including a screamer that's not including our niece that's not including any of the other various Filipino martial arts that are out there you know even JKD for instance has different branches right here here's a fun one right so Paul vana are you guys aware of who Paul Bonacci is so Paul boondock is like a legend in Jeet Kune Do right you got like Rick Tucci Dan Inosanto Paul vu nook right Eric Paulson right Eric Paulson is a black belt under Dan Inosanto also a [ __ ] legend right that dude knows Paul buna Paul who knock was famous for going around bars and literally picking fights in the street and these bars to test technique Eric Paulson was somebody who was literally there when he did some of these things so that's like on record that that guy was apparently legit and what he did obviously an [ __ ] up at Mars but still he tested what he did then you take something like that and we fast forward to now and you see he's made fun of all the time like people make fun of like Paul who knock all the time so you're almost at the whim of public opinion so I think that before we really should work on making that like what the standards are and all that [ __ ] right first what's wrong so we already established some of the things that are wrong next we need to start educating the public so that way they stop beating the [ __ ] cuz that's really the issue right now like you said is there are a lot of public people in the public you just don't have a basic knowledge of martial arts so they only know the difference they don't know what in karate and Taekwondo is they don't know they were seen jiu-jitsu in [ __ ] if they saw it right they they might not know and so I think it's important for us as martial artists to start pushing that information out there right really trying to educate the public and not just the people who pay us and that's kind of where the major issue is they you pay me I'll give you all the information you [ __ ] won all right I'll teach you how to kill people with [ __ ] hands but if you don't [ __ ] you it's kind of how it is right if you do something other than what I do I don't care I'm not gonna teach you right instead of saying hey man look there this is good for that it's not good for this this is where the range of combat applies here it doesn't apply here right you get a Taekwondo guy awesome he's gonna kick the [ __ ] out of people right with his legs put him in a boxing ring he's gonna get [ __ ] up put him with a Muay Thai guy he's gonna get clenched up you put him with somebody like a wrestler he's gonna get taken down right but these these are all ranges and so when people join martial arts I don't truly think that they quite understanding grasped the the range in which they're trying to accomplish or like what they're really trying to get out of it like I want to lose weight I want to learn self-defense so they join a boxing gym right and then they get there and they get the [ __ ] beat out of them by someone who's a pro fighter they never take martial arts again right and it's like because they didn't know the difference between a casual boxing gym and a pro boxing gym this don't know and I think that's the real issue that's the hardest part but yes I hundred percent agree with you there should be a regulating body the hard part is how do you regulate every martial art all at once yeah it is a tricky thing to do especially as you say because it's it's somewhat subjective to like what you think is a street effective right that's gonna be like the standard of what makes this martial art legitimate because not erupt but like it doesn't even have to be Street effective it just has to be labeled properly right like if you're doing like acrobatic kicking you're doing that for fun and you have no intent of learning self-defense that's fine as long as you know that's what you're getting yourself into but if the guy lies to you and he's like yeah we're gonna learn this backflip you know like yeah what one thing I was just thinking about is like Dave said something about then he went to wrestling right and then it's something I've been noticing more and more because mainly because of this this research research been involved in regarding the history of jiu-jitsu and martial arts and results and there there is a certain air of mystique to everything Asian that just people in the West just eat it up like everyone from India with an accent and speedos speaking of being a guru like he's automatically rich and Hollywood like it's it's because like they have this era of like I have this wisdom that you and the West don't possess so let me show you the mysteries of the east right it's really an article of curiosity and lack of understanding that here like there we're all people and we're all messed up right we're not that different right but we look at a lot of these guys as like old clay clearly if you're Asian you must be wise you know it's like the mr. Miyagi thing in our head right even in Brazilian Jujitsu circles like Kenan was making that point like yeah we're English with an accident you're from Brazil you're automatically good at jujitsu not the case people assume that yeah now you get away with it I think there's an air of mystique to to martial arts that allows a lot of frauds - especially in with Asian martial arts to get away with it like in wrestling that wouldn't survive like Brazilian jiu-jitsu is let's it's only like partially Asian it's very Brazilian a lot of ways in Brazilians are like like Americans and they're very Western in the sense were like okay show me roll with me I want to see how could you and wrestling you can ever get away with that if you show up to a wrestling practice the University showing like your incredible moves but you're not gonna wrestle with then you want people cannot get the hell out of here like do better you have to show me you got a wrestler what are your credentials people have like in the West are gonna be more you can be scrutinized in a way that I think that like martial art practitioners and instructors of Asian martial arts they get away with it for some reason and I think it really is it comes down to a Western ignorance towards the east and that space is where are these people thrive have you heard of a guy named Xu Xiao dong no he's he's the one I buddy that's fighting the traditional martial artists in China occurred yes he's going around and he's challenging these kind of I guess you'll be more considering like the woowoo type masters the guys who believe in the note knockouts and stuff and it kind of shows you how deep the the delusion is because they're accepting the fight like these guys like 67 years old this guy's like I don't know he's in his 30s or 40s he's pretty strong dude I mean he is an MMA fighter he does trained jiu-jitsu he's actually phenomenal I am like watching him kick barks I think he's pretty good kickboxer mostly because he like it's like a [ __ ] brick but when you watch and fight these old Chinese masters they truly believe that they can fight him and win because they're accepting it and I don't like they have the opportunity to hang out and hide behind the mysticism they have the opportunity they could say nah if I fought you I kill you I don't want to do that you know why that is I'll tell you why they accept it is because they believe their own BS like there's something about like for you best but really in order for you to tell a lie convincingly you have to first convince yourself of it because otherwise otherwise you give yourself away you're gonna give cues the other observers that in fact you're full of it so the mind is like one great BS machine for you to best be as people you have to assimilate that belief that make sense oh yeah yeah so these guys were a simile they believe it that's the only way they can convince hundreds and and thousands of students around the world that they know what they're talking about and just like your own experience like dealing with a lot of people out there you get this deal they walk up to and they start speaking with confidence and they look you in the eye and it's exactly what you want to hear and there's no trepidation in the voice there's like there's iContact and there's that that assertion from the body language you go this person knows what they're talking about but that right there happened because they have first convinced themselves of their own BS and the more people you convince the more it empowers you it's like a downward spiral because now that I go about a thousand people believe it then it is true and I was like I actually have a name for it I know that it's [ __ ] up but it's true I call it the Steven Seagal syndrome so like if you look like you really look at Steven Seagal's career right when he started the martial arts I think he had the best of intentions I think he truly just wanted to be a good martial artist now the martial art that he picked whatever you think about Aikido you thinking about Aikido but he did take the time to learn it right and then he winds up teaching I think either a producer or director or something like that and the guy goes hey I got a movie I think you'd be great in and he winds up doing the movies right and then he cut starts to feed the ego that he already had and then he gets surrounded by these people who feed it with him right oh you're the best you're the greatest and he's not the only person to happen this happened to him it was Presley had the same thing happened to him surrounded by yes men people kissing his ass can miss something he was the best thing best thing since sliced bread when it came to Kempo but he was full of [ __ ] right which is which is sad but it's true Elvis Presley sucked ass at karate sorry [ __ ] you Elvis you messed that up all right oh he got that part down right just cuz you're bullish you know anything doesn't mean you didn't rock people's face off with another thing right but I digress but like you'd be look right like you get surrounded by these yes men and after a while they just keep convincing you and feeding your ego oh man you're awesome you're the greatest they want to be around you because you have that fame so they think that if they talk negatively about you that you'll be they'll be excommunicated they won't be allowed around you they won't get invited to the party they won't be able to hang around around the famous person then so then all of a sudden you get somebody like Stigall who truly is so delusional he thinks he taught anderson syllabi how to do a [ __ ] front kick like that dude never did a goddamn front kick in his life until he met Segal like you know you know can we take a second here to give a give my thoughts on yes man yes men in general I think there's cancers in our life right like I can't stand these people like we try to wake make their whip and what's so disturbing is how quickly they're accepted it's like if you have to be completely blind not to see that this person is just telling you what you want to hear because he wants exactly wants to make his way into that your network right like like Elvis is a huge target like guys I think what this is one reason why I think a lot of like celebrities they lose their [ __ ] is because they they they can no longer surround themselves with people they can trust surround themselves with a bunch of leeches and these people just want to drain them this by feeding them what they want you know what they want to hear it becomes an addiction so you become addicted to hearing the things you want to hear and this is it's it's everybody III people like that bother like I I like to surround myself with people to tell me what I need to hear hear and even if that hurts I'm like a thank you because you told me the truth right and I tend to be like I try to be like that with people doesn't know it's not always doesn't always go well but like it's it's I think that's the way we should be ought to be you know I think that there's a there's something there's something like it's it's a it's a lesson that we're refusing to learn where I've but one day yes and it comes along he just keeps reinforce and it becomes I've got an addiction and we can't stop herself from hearing that you know that pat on the back and getting that receiving that that recognition sometimes it's completely incorrect you know it's funny as movies like show you sometimes things that you don't really pay attention to in real life you know like sometimes you watch a movie you'll see a scene any buck epiphany how the [ __ ] did I not see that it's because like movies are based off of real life experiences and people's thoughts and ideas right and so if you look at movies the number two right you always have the King and then you have like his his guy that he always goes to for advice right and then you have like the the master and you have like that guy who always confides in don't none of those people are ever yes men they're always the person telling you yeah I think you [ __ ] that up where I was able to see this I could see like I follow the rise as the career so many of these guys in the people who had the the people who were surrounding themselves with yes man you can see that they started making really bad decisions and their careers a lot of times it was like like the dad or the wife or like sometimes just like friends and they're no longer like making the right decisions because they're being influenced from you know from the outside but it I think we have a tendency to lean towards people like that but it's it's very damaging like it's in it's everywhere in the case of martial arts I think that you know it's it's exactly what leads to people like it exactly like you said like Steven Segal believing right that he actually could teach Anderson Silva something but Anderson said what's the blame to Lenin trial watch if he gets his you know you get some right you know and some some clicks there and some views and whatever but I think we gotta call this piece of [ __ ] and it takes a matter of like yes even if it's damaging you just gotta call these people on their [ __ ] I'm like a man you don't get I mean I would not let Steve Segal teach me anything really sorry bro you mean I'll live from just about anyone that you're not positioned to teach me or an actor you're not a fighter Danny he was actually cuz uh Robert you were saying that he was actually a very well accomplished Aikido guy and he was like one of the first Americans to actually teach in Japan and all that I'm not sure how far so you know it's funny cuz you were talking about like calling people out like that's basically what we're doing with our documentary is like just going down the path of like those the five things I talked about earlier about what I consider a McDo Joe and just kind of showing people that site the really shitty part is you can't damage the martial arts without doing that it's like literally impossible for me not to show these things to talk about the issues without damaging the martial arts but I'm hoping that by doing that what will happen is martial artists will start checking other martial artists much quicker yeah you know rather than letting [ __ ] ride like the hardest part right now politics right and anybody who's ever been in the martial arts understands their martial arts politics right I can't talk about this guy cuz this guy knows that guy and that guy is involved with this organization it'll [ __ ] up my school or I can't talk [ __ ] about that school over there because it makes me look bad and financially it'll wreck me because it just makes me look like I'm hating on them right and so I'm hoping by like not being affiliated or associated with [ __ ] anybody right which has been what step number one right it doesn't benefit me how does it benefit me like you know obviously it does allow me to have a brand and a name and [ __ ] like that that's awesome but at the same time like I literally can talk [ __ ] about anybody who deserves it right night like I said I try not to take advantage of that position I do think wait those decisions have because I don't want to [ __ ] up people's lives for no reason but it like for instance here's a great one warriors coat have you guys ever heard of warriors comb in the net it sounds very familiar all right we're gonna keep walking down this path how about a guy named David Arne Beck oh all right cool so David Arne Beck runs a place called Warriors cope it's uh or your stove MMA has three different locations right he's a third degree black belt in jujitsu he molested a fifteen year old girl in his home now he took a plea deal and during that plea deal he was not he did not have to be put on a sex offender registry because of the type of plea deal that he took he's still teaching children today he still runs three martial art studios today did I mention the name warriors Cove MMA I'm just making sure I didn't skip David are back No so if you look into this kind of stuff though right why is that not a bigger deal called out by the instructors by the parents by the bike [ __ ] teenagers they're by the neighborhood by the local businesses but no one [ __ ] cares no one cares no one if you just type it online right he even dedicated an entire website he made a website called David Arnett calm or he clearly admits guilt but he says because and that's all well that just makes all the sense in the world you were drunk I get it you diddle the kid Oh we'd let it pass no we [ __ ] don't and so as martial artists right we can all get to get there and we can raise uh one of the martial arts to use I don't know attempt plant mint and ten planet in LA I do believe burn down during song the right of each Bobby thank you we raise enough money to rebuild that from the ground up like that it was literally a couple days there fundraiser went up they rebuilt it like that but yet we can we see in the news that this [ __ ] right here has molested a child and pled guilty to it and yet we over years it's been years now mmm nothing happens like get the [ __ ] out of here what it is is what we care about what it is that we put our effort into and wait seem to give a [ __ ] about right as long as our students and our schools are gonna grow all right man I got an idea for you all right Bobby n all right let's make a t-shirt that says let's make dough just store me legal again I don't agree I know I know this is where people like get pissed off at me but I'm just I got it like we talked about before I'm not a yes-man I just don't agree why I don't agree with that is because I don't like again labeling and mislabeling right I don't think that if somebody signs up for an Aikido class and the aikido instructor is being honest with you and he says look dude it's like it's gonna help you with your movement it's gonna help you like get off the couch you're gonna have some friends maybe a mentor too it's not only gonna help you with self-defense but if you enjoy it trying I don't think we should kick that guy's ass cuz it's being open and honest if you go [ __ ] up a dude who's do teaching Tai Chi in the park to 90 year old people right and he's being honest to them that's cool and so what I've noticed is people in my comment section mostly Russian people in my comment section mostly are all about kicking everybody's ass who doesn't teach legitimate self-defense I'm all about kicking the guy's ass who's lying about it all right I think that that's the kind of [ __ ] that they need their ass for do I think that every dojo who doesn't teach the thing that's best itself the men should get beat up no as long as we're not lying about it you know they're doing acrobatic kicking man like I want to see another John wick I'm gonna need these stunt performers to be healthy and alive I'm gonna need to gotta take the ball right so but I do think it's funny because like one thing we are doing in the documentary is I'm traveling cross-country I'm going from Jacksonville Florida all the way to Fresno California and on that trip I'm stopping at different dojos and at different peoples spots it's not a part of the documentary but it's just extra content but once we actually get to Fresno we start filming in August we're gonna be talking about pretty much everything we've already discussed honestly in detail with statistics and doctors to figure out the psychology behind how people all for [ __ ] even though it's clearly [ __ ] we're gonna be talking with ex-cons one is a really famous if you want to know who that is you probably already know who it is there was a TV show back in the day where this guy would call out frogs for money um yeah I'm like a amazing Randy so the amazing Randy had like this check that he carried around with him and anybody who claimed that they had supernatural powers he would call him out on it anybody like look I got a check in my pocket I remember for how much but it was a lot it was like if you could prove that you had supernatural powers he would give you the check right and one of these guys that he winds up doing it was like his kung-fu master right and the comp a master believed that he could blow our out like he could move pages of a book with his mind and he got called out on national TV that guy after that show right goes on winds up getting busted from Lessing five kids real storm after he gets busted for molesting five kids he goes on the run and he winds up poking himself on Sally Jessy Raphael he books himself while on the run from the police of course immediately after the showing he winds up getting busted and booked that guy is only an hour away from our production studio in a mental hospital and so he may like molest kids so he's got like all he checks almost almost all the things off he did an interview back in the day where he admitted to being a con man and a fraud where he convinced people he had these supernatural powers of kungfu right he had a couple thousand followers over the years and stuff like that james Heydrich is his name that guy we're gonna be interviewing because he was a con man who invents all these people of his supernatural ability so we can actually listen to him and find out more how did he do it like what were the tactics what did he use and hopefully that'll help open up the average person to listen for these things and go oh I think this guy is doing the same [ __ ] that guy did I've heard this this is a new and hopefully we can help the average person the other thing is we will be going different martial arts studios and telling them hey you believe you can knock people out with your mind you believe you could pressure point me in the arm and knock me out do it here's the arm go for it I'm pretty sure by the time I'm done this documentary I'm gonna be beat up just from people slapping me all the [ __ ] but I've been doing this [ __ ] for a long time right I've competed at a high level I've gotten beat up at a high level I'm what hello sometime everyone all right I know what it takes to knock me unconscious and me being slapped in the [ __ ] arm or hit and spleen six and my ankle ain't gonna do it and so when I offer the opportunity for these people to do it in an open discussion with no violence I really curious how they react because most people when they do it they're like oh I want to fight you and they always back off I don't want to fight you I want you to fight me prove it prove it I'll stand here and I will allow you to hit me go for it if you can't knock me out though you basically admit that you're a fraud if you choose not to do it without hostility you're admitting you're a fraud it's a lose-lose situation all I have to do is get the interview once I get the interview over you know what you should be doing in the meantime though is the martial art that specializes in getting hit these guys I'm sure Robbie's I think they're like yellow bamboo or something that when they focus on like getting hit to the nuts and particularly seem to like that and they have a one guy I think it was a k1 kickboxer enormous dude I mean the guy's is so big and I think he was like an American the new American Gladiators against his middle-aged dude any big but like nothing special and they measured this guy's kick force and I guess in the first kick goes like a thousand psi you know which is a tremendous amount you know and they're like are you sure you want to do this so yeah yeah I'm confident in it this guy gets blasted and he has to kicked the guy harder it 11 hundred the guy didn't flinch man straighten adds and then you see the guy who kicked them he's like bro I felt the two nuts that that was there was no bow there was no cop I felt it all in there a dancer you want to teach that class at the gym [Laughter] we fortunate man like we have Kenny Florian is going to be joining us and he's gonna be doing stuff with us Mike Beltran because who's more fight than a referee you know and so we're gonna have who else do we have man we have a Kenny Florian Dave leduc has agreed to be in the film Oh Robin black who's agreed to be in the film we have Kiss Dale who's agreed to be in the film all these great people has subject matter experts from all these different martial arts who have been in combat and that's the important thing right like if these people are teaching combat all right well these are real people who've done have I or like even like Mike Beltran like in a couple of the other referees right these guys have seen more fights than most and closely than most of us will ever see in our lifetime because that's their [ __ ] job and so if you're gonna talk about somebody who's a subject matter expert on watching what they know is effective why not talk to a referee who is there all the time literally face to face with a fight why not talk to a psychologist you know about like what it what it takes to be able to withstand of you know like what they call heart right what is that right and like certain [ __ ] needless to say you can teach a certain [ __ ] you just can't [ __ ] teach for instance like the effectiveness of jiu-jitsu everybody knows that you Jitsu is a very effective art it's been put on what I consider it started the martial arts Renaissance that we're currently going through in my opinion because of the UFC UFC happens jiu-jitsu is put on a platform they [ __ ] all these dudes up next thing you know everybody wants to learn UFC alright BJJ sorry sound like a dojo coach any words so everybody wants to learn BJJ right now what that did was all the other martial arts in order to keep up they had to do two things one they had to develop a ground game and ground defense but also they had to elevate their art if they wanted to be on platform and be able to hang with jiu-jitsu so you see guys like Steven Thompson you see guys like Michael venom page you see people like GSP Akio fish and black belt you see all these guys right who elevated their art so they can hang at the highest level like Michael venom page how many double legs you see him shoot done you're right he's like moving around he knocks people out was for karate everybody lasted that [ __ ] until Steven Thompson starts whoopin wholesale lasse and there wasn't what we laughing at the karate guy then he kicks me in the face maybe I should learn that too so all these arts are always evolving right the some arts are choosing not to and those are the ones that are gonna fall to the wayside and I think it's really interesting when you hear people talk about like what art is the best like we're not dealing with arts we're dealing with ranges of combat and what you're really dealing with us people who were effective at taking that range and handling that range right you take Michael venom page down if you're able to and you get up to the ground I highly doubt he's gonna do well on the ground but the hard part is he's so good at defending that range and being in that range and manipulating that range they're getting him to the ground to choke him out is very difficult and so like it's it's cool to see all these evolutions of the martial arts right it's cool to see them a ball because jiu-jitsu was done so jiu-jitsu set that that pace and said yo we're gonna keep evolving and it continues to do so you got like EBI right EBI is another little step in an evolution it's like alright well we have to Jitsu right let's do combat jiu-jitsu let's add open hand slapping almost like a middle ground from jiu-jitsu to MMA it's like almost like a stepping stone and it's kind of cool to see all these arts having to a wall but they're really evolving because of the Renaissance that were in and we're only reason we're that Renaissance it's cuz jiu-jitsu started it thanks appreciate you yeah I think it's partly because there was actual communication now right like I made my communication the arts are talking to each other before remember it was like the UFC was like a style versus style thing right it was like jujitsu purposes karate Pike with no boxing sumo and those arts never talked to each other before alright like we never had a sumo guy work with a karate guy before in you know public stage like that and well it's nice about the U of C those early ones it was an honest conversation right and what we found out was jujitsu meet the hell area because nobody put time on the ground where they thought it was irrelevant right and the more that and I think in general combat and sparring is always very honest you find out very fast where the holes are and whether or not and once we start being more and I think this is an analogy for life like when you're honest with people like you mean when you have yes men filling up your ego you're not getting the truth and there and that causes a breakdown later down the road right and the same thing with the martial arts it was very dishonest because you know the that I remember my like to tell you my brothers X Y came to my tag with no family and I remember their older brother was our age he was a type of no backpack he would compete he always said you know I can't train with you guys because I do one step sidekick and I break your ribs and kill you alright and he believed that right but it was not an honest conversation he didn't know that it was just a story that he had fed himself and he never exposed himself to being to a having actual combat right and now that mixed martial arts which I think because you just had the dojo storming and the Gracie challenge is they've had that culture of we're gonna bring it to you and you're gonna have to learn the hard way what's gonna actually happen when we fight you know in the UFC just elevated to a whole nother level which got everybody's interest and I think now it's not such a big deal to have these conversations anymore and the forms of fighting everybody is used to it and it makes everybody like you said has to elevate the game because now everybody is like we're one fight away from being exposed person now has a much better grasp on what real combat looks like I know I think back in the day you're like you would see people who like a lie and be like don't mess with me man I know karate like you don't really get that as much anymore but like the average person like you're not saying everybody right but I'm saying anybody who's like an avid MMA fan they might not ever train they just like to watch it if I asked them to show me a rear naked choke I'd say 5050 some of them get them some of them get it right even without ever training jiu-jitsu they would just kind of understand the basics just because I think in general the average person's knowledge of what a real fight is is elevating and I think that's awesome to see you know and I think that it also is a little bit more dangerous for people who don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing because if you start talking all that [ __ ] even some which has always been true some [ __ ] regular dude off the street can what poles say last is because he's naturally gifted with abilities and attributes right he's strong fast big aggressive you know he's willing to pull the trigger when he needs to but now you get that and they have basic understanding of what a rear naked choke looks like basic understandings of what a guillotine choke is right all that stuff you don't necessarily need a lot of training to understand you know against the regular dude who doesn't know what the [ __ ] he's doing I think that's also a part of the evolution of martial arts that we're going through right now you know like um I think it's a beautiful thing but at the same time like it's almost like technology how what is the technology triples every so many years like it's Tom pounding on it so I think martial arts seem to be doing something very similar or they're like advancing and advanced advancing and the guys that you're seeing now like the Bruce Lee conversation everybody's like how would Bruce Lee do an MMA now like well let's apples and oranges dude like Bruce Lee in 70s was somebody who started like the first cell phone and you're asking him to compete with a [ __ ] smartphone now there are two different things right yes it's a crazy argument but it's really interesting you know hey guys I gotta get going I gotta I gotta be somewhere at 3:00 we had one of our fighters just signed with the UFC please yeah max he just signed so we're gonna go train him now yeah I got a short fighting notice he's fighting on Saturday what's the guy's name Austin Hubbard I think yeah Rob listen man like uh I wish you the best of luck with your documentary let's catch up on the phone sometime maybe I can show my experience with my own documentary and we can we can talk some more the more the better the more yeah man you're really doing something great like I just think that this is something that is necessary and it's it's it's needed man like you're doing a good service for the martial arts community as a whole so keep it up thank you I really appreciate Robert let the people know where they can find you online yeah man if uh you it's pretty simple you can find me on Instagram if you want to look at any of our original content all of our original content is put on our YouTube channel where I do breakdowns of these videos where I tell you who these people are where they're from and all the information about them so that way you can stay away from them or you can make your own educated opinion on what you think about them also on Twitter and if you really love us we do have a patreon although I'm not gonna give you anything for it but it's just like you know man here's a buck keep doing what you do it's appreciated too but uh yeah man documentaries coming out you can check that out if you really want to be involved and learn more about the documentary it's Mick dojo life do see on Instagram it's a closed group just for people who have supported the page behind-the-scenes content all kinds of original content you'll even get little clips of the movie as we're making the movie so I definitely suggest if you're really into it you really want to learn more about what we're doing go to McDo do life or go to McDowell like do see on Instagram awesome hell yeah man thank you all right awesome well everybody take care and we'll see you in the next one deuces [Music]