BTG 42 - The Closed Guard Update

[Music] hey what's going on this is david avalon here with my co-host robert drysdale after a long hiatus yes good to be back so we're back here again for another episode of breaking the guard uh we have a lot of catching up to do because i haven't seen robert probably in a month i know this guy's on vacation he's the only person enjoying a vacation at the moment is david avelin in the keyword keys for what three weeks well i was in miami first for like nine ten days i actually did uh nra training camp with my brother he's a training counselor with an nra so he has all the different certifications so i actually got my basic pistol uh personal protection in the home personal protection outside the home certifications as an instructor oh nice so yeah it's a it's a cool course there's a lot of stuff that you'll learn like doing it so it's something that i'll probably start doing here as well here in nevada you have to have those three certifications in order to do a concealed carry permit report you have to do the course to have a concealed carry permit well then to be able to uh give people a concealed carry permit okay so you can do that now i can do that you can hook me up or what well i have to go now and i have to submit my curriculum to the sheriff's department dude they still gotta go dave kind of owes me like he strategically set up like a a podcast right when he knew he had a truckload of mats coming over very smart he's like hey rock can you do a a podcast 11 30 a.m sharp i get here it's like oh by the way i got some mats coming over can you help me carry them you know i guess i hope they because like there's like a couple a few months ago like i'm driving down the street i see a piano on the street it has a big sign on it it says i am working take me home you know i'm like okay deal i had a i was driving a truck at the time so i'm like i'm like two blocks away from your house i'm like it's dave hey dave you got a minute you ran over there that's a weird coincidence i never had actually my car was at the shop you know how to rental what happened would happen to be a truck like that never happens you get a truck for a rental yeah but that's what they gave me and i'm driving down by dave's house and there's a piano on the street and i'm like perfect i'm taking it and that [ __ ] was heavy though yeah it was yeah and it works perfectly i'm surprised someone would give it away because it's working you know perfectly well but yeah so i guess we're even yeah and now i've been getting well i so i did the nra training camp first i was like a week long and then i went to the keys to some scuba diving and uh eat out like every night for two weeks so that was pretty cool and i've never eaten so many steaks good for you man let's either poured a house like i had two border houses at prime rib new york strips only gained a pound you didn't i only gained one pound oh that's not bad but meat doesn't put a lot of weight on you because it's such an effort for your body to digest it i always tell people when they're eating like people assume that a thousand calories is always equal to a thousand calories and it's not true yeah yeah exactly feed a thousand calories of oreos versus 1000 calories of steak the oreos your body absorbs very easily without much effort from your digestive tract right because it's just pure sugar whereas a steak has may have the same amount of calories but it's a lot more work for your body to digest so you're absorbing like a smaller amount of those calories yeah like i was actually talking to my girlfriend about it and essentially people say like how much protein you should have in one sitting because your body can only absorb a certain amount and it's it depends on what you mean by the word absorb your body absorbs all of it now what it uses it for it's different things so like for like muscle synthesis and repair it's somewhere around 30 40 grams again depends on how big you are what yeah but genetics somewhere around there it will be used for rebuilding muscle yeah and then the rest of it is just going to be for energy energy because there's only so much our body can absorb but i've heard like conflicting things because like bodybuilders will tell you like x amount of grams of of protein per per day or whatever right and then i've heard the opposite your body can only absorb so much but again with the amount of steroids they take and plus the amount how much they work out i'm sure that changes everything like you probably have like a natural threshold of how much your body can absorb but with with the steroids you add to that the fact these guys are like working out every day hard yeah it probably pushes that threshold how much protein your body is actually going to need it's awesome i wouldn't know for sure but i imagine that'd be the case the timing is a factor too like if you see like you can watch some of these guys like uh the mountain you know yeah and they're eating at like a four in the morning oh yeah they think they wake up to eat they're eating like every two to four hours that's crazy so and they're getting protein in every meal so it's not like they eat like 200 grams of protein in one sitting and then just they're done for the day they get spread out because there's a timing like they have a better understanding of it but essentially after like a three hour window it's like a peak time to start getting more protein in so they do this is an example i'm not sure it's the exact number but they'll time their meal schedule accordingly and like when you're a giant like that it's a full-time job eating that much yeah to maintain that size because you know like your body doesn't want to be that big it's not it's not easy it's natural yeah yeah because like you have to you have to consume so much energy you trick your body to get that big yeah like you have to constantly work your body so hard just to maintain that type of size you know it's not like oh it's hard to gain weight like 200 pounds like when you're trying to be like 350 and stuff like that and jacked it's a lot of work it's not like something that you want to do to yourself unless you're you're about no i don't know absolutely the thing that the issue i have with that is it turns like anyone who's like a too into anything diet wise right whether you're trying to get really lean or really big whatever the case it turns into a part-time job it's like your life it goes around your diet and i just don't want to live like i respect the hell of people who do that like meal prep and they count their carbs and like they know exactly what man i that's a tremendous amount of discipline dave i've never had that and like i don't ever want to live like that but i admire people do but i just don't see myself i've never i mean i always cut weight but it was never like you have a vague idea of what you can and can't eat you're not really counting calories but i mean i missed weight once my whole life so i feel like i've always done a good job um but like some of these guys man they're like they're on the timer they have a timer right like i have to eat every two three hours or whatever they wake up in the middle of the night like to drink a protein [ __ ] yeah that's legit man because if i do that i probably won't go back to sleep yeah for sure i wouldn't i do count my calories still to this day i do yeah it's a lot of work man get used to it you get used to it it's pretty easy essentially like with the apps that you have now like you just push a button and it kind of knows what you're eating already yeah so you just okay that that that that and and you get better at eyeballing things because i know now that okay i see like this size this is like a six ounce of steak or you know you have a better idea and you have scales and stuff and and then again it's also an estimated time it's not exact like i mean when they give you like four ounces of chicken breasts 120 calories that's an estimate you know based on one chicken that they decided to test how much calories it has you know so like people if you're trying to get super exact with it it's kind of silly it's all just general you know as long as you're in the ballpark you're probably within like 10 to 20 accuracy you're good enough you know and i know like i said i was out there eating like an animal but i was also i kept to my workout schedule so that's the one thing i feel like i've done differently now is that when i plan the vacation i'm like okay where are the gyms okay there's one here there's one there okay and now that since she's been about her since i met her so it's like it was like the first time we worked out together on vacation oh nice and we're there for like two or three hours going at it and then afterwards we just eat so it was a it was a nice trip but it's good to be back i need that i need that but uh yeah man no um and we got lots to talk about i'm trying to think here where to start i wanted to hear about the the closed guard oh man yeah i'll begin by apologizing for being late we had uh i'll give you a brief rundown of where we're at with because we announced it in march uh that we uh we were gonna be done you know releasing the summer and we left that we didn't have a date in the summer we were vague about it because there are some move-in pieces that we are not in our control right uh but we announced this in march we were missing some copyright permissions from some images that we wanted to use because the copyright issue is a very scary one all right there are attorneys that make a living from like just trying to find someone using something they're not supposed to be using and then they'll sue you to oblivion um but uh yeah man like i uh um we didn't expect that we were not gonna be able to get rice to some of these images you know soon enough but i think covet shut down a lot of libraries and museums so like some of the prisms there are museums and libraries in japan that are permanently they're close like you can't get a hold of them so it's like one of those things where you have an option we either go through with the film and miss out on some of these images or we wait a little longer we waited this long and make it the film we wanted to be for posterity right and i feel like we waited this long i would rather err on the side of quality over rushing something just because we promised it you know and i mean i just maybe we were it's wishful thinking that we thought we'd be ready in the summer you know given all the moving pieces but you know it is the good news is that it is happening it's not one of those things we're going to quit on we're very close we have a cut of the film but the copyright issue where we're missing some like we'll be tweaking some because it's very difficult to get the narrative to flow because you have so many different topics and they all overlap so it's very difficult to create a narrative where you follow you will follow a chronological order but if you're too chronological it stops making sense yeah you have to like there's a lot of there's some back and forth going on because you have to talk about the characters but the characters don't fit chronologically because they are part of the story throughout so where exactly do they fit and maybe begin here but they have a big moment here so we can't we can't be too chronological all right so it's not always easy to make because we have so many com like so many stories that are interrelated so it's difficult to stick to if we were only telling the story of immigration or only the story of helio gracie or only the story of mitsui maida or only the sort of kodo khan to be easy yeah but we're talking about all these things yeah a lot of moving parts and yes i mean you're in japan you're in brazil so you're all over the place but i i don't think anybody's gonna fault you on delaying it's funny because i saw instagram they postponed the adcc trials in the u.s yeah and people were complaining like oh you guys need to be more professional and like dude the nfl the nba you know pfl ufc dude the world economy got delayed and you're going to full adcc for postpartum i know i know it's like come on dude everybody's been messed up by this you know so like your thing getting delayed it's most people were supposed to i made a i made a post a while ago talking about it right most people are supportive there's like a couple guys like oh you guys got no credibility and there's a part of me that wants to block them it's like i don't care if you don't watch the film now but um you know it's it's got to be diplomatic and i ask people to understand because a lot of it really isn't our power some of it could be blamed on my lack of experience uh but i would rather like i said rather err on the side of doing something that's archival and people will be able to reference 50 years from now i think i mentioned this before i don't think this can be redone because these old masters these grand masters are all dying we've lost four of them since we've done filming oh wow four of them have passed away just to give an idea of how we were man the timing of this thing was perfect so you got to meet all the people you were going around the more i mean obviously i mean it had this been done 20 years ago we would have even more grand masters but the thing my point is the first generation of practitioners they're all dying so once those are gone we're going to have the second generation which is less and less it goes because it's less and less interesting the closer it gets to where we're at right so the idea the further back we can go the better so that's why i i think that is like it's a key moment or a film like this and um you know because we have the research that came within the two after 2012 largely that's when the research came about and then that coincided with the grand masters reaching a very advanced age it was a very small window for us to do this right and we were right there it was an accident it wasn't intentional it was only later that i put two and two together but so i think this is why it's so important that we do a good job that we don't err on the side of russian things right just because some people are really eager to see it and because i truly believe that this is something people are going to be watching 40 50 years from now like when people want to learn the history of jujitsu and you don't want to read 20 books you watch a documentary yeah i think it'll be awesome to watch for sure but like uh your this project was privately funded right correct so that's the other thing i mean people can wait you know i i know some people had grace about other documentaries because they were crowdfunded and they yeah i get that and we're getting some of that flack yeah yeah but like it's not the same thing you know you're privately funded this is your own venture you know well i'm not funding it i'm not rich that's why i oh but yeah you're investors yeah yeah but my investor's surprisingly patient like he understands like every now and then he'll message me and i just tell him the truth you know and he's very understanding um we're way behind schedule but he's very understand especially with coven now so they actually wanted me to fly out there last weekend i had a marcelo's fight so i couldn't go but and i'm not sure it's easy to get in and out of russia right now so i don't want to get quarantined and somewhere and you know god knows where so um it might wait a little bit longer until it's because they they want me to go because they they want to you know they want to i've sent them cuts of the film to what we have but i told them i wrote a book and i'm going to send them a copy and russian good google translate i don't can't translate to russian but i'll give them a copy because i talk about them and how they funded the film too so be a nice gift but uh yeah we're making moves man the book is out it's going to print today or tomorrow and we'll be on amazon very soon right now it's on our website nice um we had a pre-sale so the pre-sale is going to end in a week or so whatever and i'll give you a copy and then you know i think that the book we were able to get in more detail because no matter how much you talk about a film or how much you have permission having a film it's still 90 minutes right like the reason why the people who read a book and then they read the adaptation they're always somewhat disappointed yeah and it's not because adaptation is necessarily bad it's just because there's so much more in the book it's so much more depth to it right i feel like that the book is a very good companion to the film if you're really interested in the story if it's just if you're just like a you know casual observer you're like yeah whatever i like to learn who helio gracias it's crazy like a lot of the young generation they don't even know who helio gracie is which is nuts to me but that is well yeah a lot of my blue belts like they've never even heard of them uh but so that the documentary will do that but like if you're really into martial arts history and you love jiu jitsu and you want to find out something about how bjj and mma develop in brazil i think the book is uh is going to give you a little more information you know i mean for sure it will because you can expand on all those topics in more detail i think that what you are saying about those old masters essentially passing away kind of sad i mean in a sense it's great that you were able to capture you know some moments with them that you can pass down to everybody else because it's kind of like when you watch like star wars and all the jedis are dying off it's like yeah you're losing a history you know what i mean so these are like bjj jedi's you know what's so sad is that you know i i understand like people if you're into sports and martial arts you're far more interested in the athletic ability of that person more and the lessons that the older generations can teach you right so someone like you know has been trained to judge for 67 years they're like man they're in the encyclopedia of wisdom not just technique i'm talking wisdom life wisdom like experience and then and always and i always mess around i said i mentioned this in the book like these guys are me in the future this is a window into the future like you're looking at these guys you might feel like oh man like that sucks and like that's that's you in a few years man it's true that's you in a few years so to me it was interesting because i wanted to pick their brain and see if i could learn something from them lifewise because this is i wonder who i was going to be like am i going to be like robson gracie henzo's father or armando vari did or this other guy juan bear to behead and all these jedis and you wonder which one am i going to be most like right and it's some there was something sad about it because they were so happy the interview and it was almost like wait a second man i'm the privileged one here yeah like i get to sit down with a living legend like these people are the founders of bjj and mma right the very first practitioners and they're like they're so happy to tell their story like it's not that they've never been interviewed before but it probably a long time goes by before anyone cares about listening to what they have to say in armando he still taught class every day the guy with the beard yeah two students in the middle of the jungle outside of brasilia two students he drove the mat it was like most beautiful it's probably the most probably the most incredible experience of my life other than you know like having children like it was one of the most amazing experiences of my life post-production i hated every aspect of it it sucked but the filming of it was so rich like spending time with these guys and getting to pick their brain and seeing how i don't know there was like there was this piece to them it was a very beautiful thing man like it was just one of those things where i think in life you have this you have these moments right we change we go ambition you know and then there's a slowly there's an acceptance of what you can and can't do and who you really are and what your limitations are right and you can see with these guys because they're in their 80s and 90s they're past that threshold they're like there's this piece about them they're perfectly happy like if they die tomorrow they don't say it but like they'd be like i don't want to die tomorrow yeah i feel like i got a lot to live still you know but with them it was always it was something very peaceful about they felt very they're very proud about the life they lived and they were perfectly happy moving on if they have to die with like the next day they'd be like perfectly fine you know and i wasn't man i hope i can be like that one day you know it's just i mean it was it was a lesson it was very spiritual experience in a lot of ways uh but it was a lesson for for life more than jiu jitsu you probably what i took the most from it there's a little bit about that in the book i talked about that as well but that was an amazing experience man i just got to finish the film yeah man well i think that's going to be a treat for everybody i know i'm looking forward to it i've seen some of the clips way back in when you were starting and they were very intriguing because i think it's a lot of stuff that is it's a side of the like the title is great and close guard because it fits perfectly what you're saying so everything has kind of been held back you know it's only one person's telling their version of history i think we could i think nowadays we can understand that better with the advent of you know quote unquote fake news yeah and people can see now like you know oh you know because it's on the book or because it's being told to you from a tv personality doesn't make it real you know or that's just one version of someone's interpretation of events and there's so many others out there many different perspectives and they're conflicting a lot of times but it's called closed guard for another reason it's not only because the story has been closed because it's interesting about the closed guard position that was that was no man's land when the brazilians particularly the gracie family they're battling the judokas they can't hang on their feet they're getting thrown left right and center like the jeroka's and the judokas are constantly fighting for a rule set that starts standing and has points like the traditional judo rule set yeah brazilians are like no no no you can pull guard no time limit no points because they're they're moving in a direction where they feel they have a chance at winning defeating the japanese right so closed guard was that middle ground because the japanese are very skilled on the ground they didn't know ground you know they judo became less and less ground oriented over the years but during that that 1930s 40s there's a lot more niwaza in judo and what happened was the closed guard was where brazilians held their ground this is where i can hang against you close the guard on you i don't open we draw oh i really won because i didn't get that right so it was a strategical thing so closed guard was not just it has like that double meaning it's this is where brazilians were able to hold their ground against the japanese long enough to create something that we now call brazilian jiu-jitsu it's interesting to me this is obvious because i grew up in brazil but most people in the us don't know this no one in brazil has ever called it brazilian jiu jitsu maybe you probably know this no one brazil the term brazilian jiu jitsu is an american invention either americans or brazilians invented it but in the united states it was in brazil until this day no one calls it jujitsu brazilian yeah that people just don't call it i i refer to it in the book to make a distinction because i in the book i talk about after hoy scracy that's when bjj exists before that it's judo slash jiu jitsu because that's what they were doing it was after ib jf and voice crazy that what now we call bjj came into being because it has to do it's determines immediately associated with the spread of the sport around the world after hoist gracing right but um yeah so then the name of the book is open in closed guard it's got that double meaning too you know but um yeah man it's uh it's um it's been it's been great man like a lot i'm still learning you know i found out recently you're going to like this um there's a there's a there's a brazilian uh research called elton silva and he writes a book on the history of mma in brazil and he's talking about the influence of capoeira in brazilian jiu-jitsu how at first i'm like there's no way but and when you start paying attention it's like he's got a lot of good points if you watch hois in the first ufc how did he approach the clinch with a stomp yeah puerta then right was very different from capoeira right now i didn't know this but capoeira then had takedowns and ground fighting the computer changed a lot in the hat second half of the the 20th century it's been it was it's a change in martial art but back in the day in brazil in the first half of the 20th century or like the later half of the the 19th century it was more mma oriented it was more street fighting right so they had takedowns in fact in brazil the double leg takedown has a name it's called baienna it's a capoeira move it's basically a double leg it's like not as clean as a wrestling double leg but it's grab the leg take you down and then a lot of brazilians until they stay they don't say double leg they don't say moro tegari which is the judo version they say it's very common so the stomp what's the other one that technical stand up we do in the warm-up that's not judo that came from capoeira yeah because like up where they have like this whole sequence they would do of kicking on the ground and standing back up if they have to so that's where it came from so you can see even like some of the the man he has like a whole series of moves that are originally from capoeira from the second half the first half of the 20th century that the gracie academy incorporated and it made it into its way into brazilian jiu jitsu that way so it was just very interesting because you wouldn't think that cop ware would have had influenced you know brazilian and obviously catch wrestling yeah because kind of the influence of catch wrestling is obvious like i said this before like brazilians say army locking they don't say dummy army locky leggy locky they didn't get that from the japanese yeah they got it from catch wrestlers right traveling the circus so there's there's clearly more influences in brazilian jiu jitsu than only judo all right yeah i think and that's probably covered also but the judo also got from catch wrestling too from what i understood is that right from western wrestling yeah so judo it's funny because in my head judo was something that you know built on an ancient tradition that is much older than western influence and judo really is a hybrid of what a japanese traditions like the two styles that your girl khano practiced the two ruse and then you know sumo as well but also western wrestling we borrowed a lot even like the the points system like painting the guy on the ground kind of thing they got that from wrestling so it was in fact wrestling that i always thought that wrestling for some reason i had that wrestlers had taken the catagoruma and made it to fireman's carry right but it's in fact the other way around so a lot of the throws from wrestling were absorbed into judo and judo is also the secretism of a lot of uh not just a western techniques in terms of physical techniques but philosophy you know the uh like ideas of education like these sports physical education sports as a means of bettering the human that's a western idea it's not a japanese idea but they borrowed that as well one of the most impressive things your goro kano does this is mind-boggling when you think about it it created a space for all of us to have a job today this is why khan was the most important figure in the history of martial arts because what he did is really incredible it was not done in the west that's why in the west our idea of martial arts is so different from asian martial arts because jigoro kano had a vision he did it he goes like this we're going to turn something that is meant for killing which is martin what a martial art is into something that's educational for children now think about the gap between convince and but because now we think it's common sense now that we go yeah martial arts great but the gap between convincing a parent that something that's meant for killing is a great idea for their child yeah like he bridged that gap he convinced the japanese ministry of education look we're going to teach these kids how to fight and that's going to be great for their education at a time when they're trying to become westernized they're trying to like leave their traditions behind like no no we got to be like the west is now right you think about it man that's talk about political genius it's a difficult thing to pull it's kind of like there's a lot of controversy here in the states even with guns you know you have people who are anti-second amendment pro-second amendment but like for example my brother's taught all these kids how to use gun yeah they're like it's controversial controversial but at the same time like what's more dangerous somebody who doesn't know how to use something that's around or something it's kind of like if you don't teach people leg locks and then you throw them into a match and they get into a leg block they're in a lot of problems now yeah it's better that they know it you know so it makes sense but yeah i could see how that would be a big issue but if you're like if it was martial arts was associated with war and killing like okay we're going to show this to little timmy's like whoa but we changed because now we associate martial arts with education we don't associate with war anymore no we don't associate with killing and hurting people we associated with philosophy and improving on the human being and being learning discipline and that is worst sport yeah that's that's the most violent form it's before with like a paramedic right there a referee tons of rules it's pretty and he creates that you gotta that's one that oh brazilian brazilians they built off of something that was already there they made some adaptation less technical revolution it was mostly cultural changes into what we call judo brazilian start calling it jiu jitsu now later in the world brazilian jiu jitsu but who really created what we call martial arts with jaguar it's pretty amazing when you think about that that's why that's why he was not in the story originally the documentary but once i start coming to these realizations i'm going i can't leave this out this is true like this is too incredible to leave him out because we're going to start with the japanese migrating to brazil right amongst them but not the first but uh we just couldn't leave out this other but then they got too broad that's the other problem so they got two bigs like oh what do we leave out now so that's those some of the reasons why you know the film's been held back but um yeah with the the other thing i was going to talk about this is one of those things i didn't come to the realization until very very recently and i wish i'd come to this conclusion earlier on is that mitsui maida konjacoma has always been at the center of the story there's no good reason for him to be at the center of the story it's just that he always has been and no one questions it but when you think about it he didn't do much he's retired when he goes to brazil he doesn't have a lot of students he hands off his class he teaches some classes he trains some resilience and he kind of like takes a step back that's the extent of his relationship to martial arts in brazil but he was famous so his biggest contribution to unlike people don't like it's not a very popular position but i believe that his biggest contribution to martial arts jiu jitsu mma whatever was that he lend his name unwillingly he lend his name to all these brazilians who lack credibility they had zero credibility in the middle of the [ __ ] tons of japanese immigrants coming over what brazilians going to have credibility if you want to learn martial arts who are going to learn it from it's kind of like an american trying to teach jujitsu we're talking about that with the kingdom podcast yeah and like americans are immediate at a disadvantage because if you have a brazilian accent it doesn't matter how good you are most of your clientele is going to presume that the brazilian is better at jujutsu right saying thai guy american guy teaching thai or a thai teaching thai boxing yeah yeah immediately people think oh clearly the guy from thailand knows more and the same thing was happening in brazil everyone presumed that the japanese knew more how do these how did these brazilians gain credibility well they have to associate themselves with the biggest name in the industry which was mitsubishi so everyone's using his name not just carlos everyone's using his name whether how much they train with them if they train with him at all was a different story but that was his biggest contribution like he was just borrowing and so his name has been thrown in the press left right and center oh i trained with maeda because everyone wants to be his student you know but he didn't actually do much when you think about it you know interesting yeah power celebrity yeah the powers is exactly what it was man because everyone knew who he was he was a celebrity in the in the japanese community well it seems like it's something that's still leveraged to this day like if you look at popular names like gracie jiu-jitsu you know like just by throwing that gracie just huge because like i know when i was in west virginia one of the martial arts there i think at the time he was like a blue belt like gracie jiu-jitsu and that was like the biggest school in the area but just because that name recognition is very strong but i wonder now like as time goes on the gracie name is probably going to start fading away a little bit as far as this is no longer as big in like in the news because before we had twice gracie and henzo and they were at the forefront of mma in the ufc and in pride but you know now i think you have neiman gracie and chrome but it's not it's not the same you know they're not the standout stars like that they used to be yeah so like i know you might tell someone oh you know like who is crazy who yeah oh god i know you have to explain that so it's crazy to explain that but like just like i think that 10 15 years ago just by having that surname you would probably increase like fifty to a thousand a hundred thousand dollars oh for sure you're on your purse just by having that last name try just by being like your purse has already doubled i know like when i actually grappled uh henry gracie when i beat him this was like 2003. yeah i made a website where my brother made the website avalon defeats gracie and we were marking the hell of that thing that that that brought a lot of attraction to the gym you know because people were crazy yeah you know oh you beat a gracie oh my god yeah you know but i mean you you got to give credit like it's it's pretty incredible what they did because like of course we come across as haters because we're challenging some of the story yeah but when you think about it it's a pretty incredible story because they they have a very unusual culture they created within the family like this i call it a spartan culture like these there was it was a big family a lot of kids they're all training they all ate the same diet like it was it was like boot camp man like they grew up within that boot camp i admire that like i'm not saying that i would want to grow up like that but just something to be admired about the discipline and resolve that carlos and helio had to create something for themselves yeah i don't admire the methods i say this in the book i don't admire how they did it but the ambition the resolution we're gonna do it and i think hoyce gives a great quote he's like that's how my dad was we're gonna do something we're not gonna wait we're gonna do it now we're gonna do it our way and that's the kind of guy he was and that's what got us here without that resolution that that resolve of doing things the way they wanted to do it i don't think mma would have existed not in as in the ufc it would have existed like shoot to always exist in japan mma is not was not invented in brazil but it became popular through that particular lineage brazil gracie's ufc hoist and so on right um i think they were very they were the right people for the job i don't think that anyone else could have done it well i i they executed a brilliant plan with how the first ufc was made with horion and killed it yeah getting hoists in there instead of using hixson and whatnot so like it was very well planned and like you said a lot of ambition and they had to grind their way up from the little i know of it yeah you know horion was first a lawyer and then he was working with you know local people in the garage that gracie garage and all that stuff you know people like oh they got lucky man those dudes grinded hard they're where they're at i 100 no one could take that and not only that but the vision man like sometimes like i'm well i'll be 39 in a week i mean sometimes i'm like i'd be like like there's not only i'm saying like i've never been moments in my life dave where i'm like i know exactly you know where to go just you know when i was in competition mode yeah i was using my life like i see a lot more options it's like okay i'm gonna do this but you know with them there's there's a theme not all family members a big family obviously but like a lot of the ones we know of at least because they stuck to it there was a theme there was a resolve you know we're going to do what we're going to do it this way and like and pretty much a big portion of the family lives off of jiu jitsu when you think about it they stuck to and it's pretty impressive because like it's hard to find a family where people half the family is you know working more or less in the same profession yeah and it's a big family it's so big hops and grace are the paycheck of the family like he didn't know that he doesn't even know his name he admits it like he doesn't know his family he doesn't like i i we had one of our historians like knew way more about who was son of who than the patriarch or the family they're like i got a lot of grandchildren man like that's how you that's how you would say because it's such a big family but like so many of them stuck to jits because now it's easy to stick to it because it clearly is very profitable yeah but at the time when it wasn't there was no money be made in the 70s and 80s for jiu jitsu and that's what's so impressive they stuck to it at a time when no one gave a [ __ ] about jiu jitsu i think it says a lot about the power of the martial arts because it's not just like a profession like for example on my father's side of the family a lot of engineers because and they're from venezuela they do like well refinery and stuff like well before yeah they blew up the country but uh so i had like my dad's an engineer my grandfather was an engineer my uncle was an engineer well my uncles many of them were even my aunt's engineer so naturally profession for me was supposed to be engineer you know i graduated electrical my brothers civil but we broke off and got into martial arts right and i think the main difference is that martial arts as a as a profession is not just a profession it's like you said it's a culture it's a way of being yeah you know it's a philosophy engineer is a job right it's good there's no like culture or the side of just your work philosophy i mean yes you have the understanding of mechanics and you know and the love for the job you can love your work but uh it's not the same right so i think it's easier in the sense to spread that like my for example my brother all of his kids are training martial arts yeah whether they're gonna work in the martial arts is another thing but they're gonna be doing it you know they're gonna be in it so and one way or another they're still going to be involved knowing my brother they're going to be making their own gyms and all that no 100 percent 100 but like it's but even that you mentioned like so many engineers in your family that's unusual like i don't have that in my family for example like my both my parents are teachers you know i mean they were they were athletes when they were younger but uh there's not a single martial artist in my family you know like everyone's got a completely different profession i think most families are like that you know but i think it's it's unique man i i think it was a the older times you would have more people following the footsteps of your father and yes and it makes a lot of sense because we're going to learn it from we didn't have these major universities or this easy access to all this knowledge so it makes sense like if your father was a carpenter a carpenter you're going to learn from him because you're going to be mentored under him and he's going to teach you all the little tricks that you wouldn't learn normally yeah and there's something to be said about that model because honestly like that's the best way to learn right because you're learning from someone who actually does the thing now and you need to get hands-on experience versus when we go through like you know schooling nowadays you're learning subjects that are all spread out because they're trying to give you this generalized knowledge and then when you're in the like in college you're still learning from somebody but he doesn't actually practice right like yeah it's different like when you're in engineering i'm learning from you know instructors that just teach particular subjects it's questionable whether they even worked in the field and i mean so uh and i like that mentorship model better because for example the marketing knowledge that i learned was from a mentorship model i learned it from my brother and from lloyd irving you know and that is what i'm been able to make my living from yeah i graduated from engineering but i did like nine months ago and there's something like it's been lost because at the same time you know building off of what you're saying is that we've gotten more free because now the internet information universities have given us the freedom to choose our to some extent not complete but we can mostly choose our professions right you know 500 years ago that was not a choice if your dad was a you know blacksmith that's what you're gonna do but there's something that's been lost too because i think there was a bond that is created between a parent and a child when you're teaching them something that you know well like you know there's something very special like me teaching sometimes i'll teach my daughter's privates something very special there man it's a bomb because it's not just a profession that you love but you're sharing your passion with the person you love the most in the whole world and that creates a bond that says something very spec i just started learning how to play the guitar all right so i'm like i would dare say i'm almost a blue builder guitar i started doing quarantine i complain like some of my favorite songs open chords i can do that so my my daughter's been watching so they got the piano so they're starting to play the piano right we got a piano teacher whatever and uh but now i got him a little tiny guitar like one of those like modified little baby like kid guitars so they're going to get it i get them tomorrow so they're going to have one because if you never know if it's going to sit in the garage forever so if they're really into it i'll buy a second one but i can't wait to be able to teach them how to play because that right there is going to create a bond between us that you can't reply man that's there's nothing like it man that's the best feeling in the world to be able to teach your child something and if you can bond with that if they like it and you have that bond whether it's jiu jitsu or guitar or blacksmith whatever and that's something very unique and i think we lost that because we've become so independent and our children are so independent people have become so independent there's so many options that some of that bond between parent and child is kind of like all right bro you're 18. go doing what that i don't know figure it out that's kind of how it is and i'm saying that is i'm not saying that the other way is way better but i've seen that we've gained some things and then we've lost others with the modern world for sure since yeah and i'm not like totally crapping on the current educational model because you might oh we can crap on it man like let's face it but there are some good things about it but overall like i would like the mentorship model better but it doesn't necessarily mean that i have to be mentored by my dad or by my mom yes because you might just end up where you don't really don't like that you know like if my dad was engineer and i'm just not a math guy you can't really get into engineering if you're not into math and some people they just don't got it and it's not like a fault of them it's just what it is what it is it's their mind but i feel like that you should mentor under somebody else you know but i do think like that you're saying that ideally in a parent child that there should be something they both have in common that they can jam to you know whether it's music or it's art it breaks my heart when i see like apparently don't have anything to bond i'm like man that'd be what are you doing just feeding them yeah like congratulations that's great you know but but that's kind of i feel like some parents got i'm not not to [ __ ] on people but they think their job is like okay breathing good pooping peeing eating sleeping good like wait a second man like you're supposed to teach them it's pretty it's it's not just feeding like there's a lot more involvement you got they're about to face the world and what i do is like i try to like the lessons that i've learned in life yeah like i kind of had to learn the hard way man like hanging my head against the wall like okay this doesn't work let's try this way right i try to teach my kids those lessons like okay you don't make the same mistakes daddy making this is how it is and you're going to try this way i'm telling you right now it doesn't work this is what you got to do you'd be surprised man they listen to get my seven-year-old daughter off her ipad is not easy but when i start giving her life advice you'd be surprised man they boom they lock their eyes on you they're listening because it's like they're ready for that relationship it's like it's their their children are naturally programmed to um listen to their parents and trust their parents if you tell them two plus two point goes five and you keep saying that kids will believe you man like they don't believe anything you say you have to take advantage of that and use that as a you know something positive like give your experience them create those bonds because that's that's what they expect it's almost like they're expecting that appearance i feel like and i think a lot of like i'm not saying i'm perfect you know everyone's flawed but we're we've lost a lot of that a lot of times like okay go on your ipad forget it you know just you leave me alone so i can watch my tv show and you can go on your ipad you know but there's not a lot of you know real interaction quality time between parent and child i feel like in the modern world it uh the whole ipad for kids saying like i don't have kids yet i've seen my parents my brother's kids it's a real thing it's a it's it's like crack for children yeah and i mean it's not just for children everybody does me too yeah you're on your phone i'm having dinner what's going on oh this oh oh yeah okay it's like man you know like it's a leash it is a leash and for children is particularly addictive you know even if it's just like like my brother has the kids and all like educational games but still fixated on it but at a certain point it's like yeah we gotta detach from this so there's like curfews you have to like they set the screen time you can lock the phone inside the thing and then they ask mommy and you i want to unlock more time like no you're done like ah it's exactly like a little cry it becomes an addiction because you get addicted to the endorphins and i think we talked about this in one of the podcasts but they have a new category in psychology it's called attention engineering you ever hear about that no but i can totally get it it's a field and they basically social media that's they hire that's what they are like they they have figure out all the loopholes in your mind on how to grab your attention and keep it for as long as they can everything from sound volume to the font color of the font how you edit videos and all of that plays a role in how they grab and hold on to your attention so imagine game developers at the level of you know ea sports or whatever like these huge companies with billions of dollars for a budget you know they man they got it down with science i'm manipulating a four-year-old it's a piece of cake yeah right and there's a lot of that going on and i mean i'm guilty of it too like i'm on my phone all the time but i i think that you know we would all do well taking a step back i'm not leaving it alone i like my phone they get me wrong but like taking a step back for sure that i think i thought we talked about this before but there's an episode of south park that essentially goes over the whole model of how you make a game addictive yeah and it was funny because it was making from the canadian government use the game to fund their government or whatever yeah but it says you talked about that you know attention engineering yeah yeah but it is a real thing and i think like children are susceptible and more successful than anything because their brains are ready to receive yeah i mean so they'll soak up everything whether it's books or videos or games or whatever and it's kind of like i can get so much knowledge fast here and you just want me to like sit down and you know read a book or something it's like it's an effort yeah it's a quick reward yeah and and i don't know i think mention this in one of the pockets might have been here i can't remember but like it's you know in pre-history you kill an animal you're the hero of the village for weeks you feel like you're like yes we got meat you know for that it's a big deal man i've never bow hunted but i imagine with a prehistoric bow or a spear with a compound bow i'm pretty sure it's hard imagine that back in the day it's a huge achievement imagine how that made you feel if you could feel good you don't want to do it again you want to you want that feeling of feeling like a superhero in the village when you go back right for example all right and and with a video game you get that reward by pressing you know i deleted clash of clans from my phone i played that game for five years i know i'm talking [ __ ] here but like i deleted it because this is when i deleted him i was in a park and i'm walking the dog and i see a guy he has it on the table at the park and he's got his ipad and he's clearly playing again he's going like this and that's all he's doing he's just going up and like just like pressing whatever he's doing and he probably is getting gold coins or points or something so he's getting rewarded and i'm like man that's that's that's what video games are they're just you're just it's like a little dose of crack and you're just getting rewarded for nothing and you becomes addicted because why would you work hard if if you're going to read like dense literature like it's an effort it's hard you're gonna get past like some of these like it's not easy to read right it's it's an effort you gotta think you gotta interact with the author it's it's it's an exercise of the line and you're going back and forth why would i do and then you get a reward at the end you understand what he means like oh i never thought of that you get the reward right but it's an effort to get that reward whereas with games or movies and netflix or whatever you're getting bombarded with stuff and you're not working for it because it's just like just digest it for you but the result is you lose the true treasure which is learning the lesson because it's not you're getting rewarded for nothing so there's no real effort and things right that's why i'm not being overly critical people who play video games because i do too but i think it's like i said it's something we need to learn how to do i feel like yeah and i think now with how good the graphics are for games it kind of takes away some of your imagination too 100 because like you're saying it's kind of like someone is regurgitating something that's already they're majestic that's their mind that's not yours yeah they're not interacting you just open your mouth there there's everything you don't have to imagine anything every day because when i look back at the old days like when i played like super mario or like zelda and there was like the you know eight bit characters like in my mind i remember it differently i remember like as a kid like you kind of imagined so much better than graphics actually was and like you couldn't imagine characters differently you know like i i remember i was reading a book it was like the outsiders and i i remember i imagined certain characters to be different races and then i saw the movie i'm like oh this guy was white i thought he was yeah i thought he was a black kid you know or whatever but i colored it my own way yeah right so that was like me exercising imagination but like you said like when everything's already put out in super perfect detail it's like you don't have to imagine anything so it's like your brain is just like there's so many it's going to be all over is when they finally create a headset that is because i've tried some of the vr headsets they're not that they still hurt your eyes after a while right never tried one of those there's an oculus rift like after a while i mean the ones i try they they get dizzy after a while it's not technology's not there yet but imagine like 20 years from now where it's going to be where you are inside lord of the rings or whatever is that you're playing like and you are a character and then you're actually killing you know dragons and what it's over man like people are that people are not going to want to eat they're just going to be playing the game there's a south park there's a south park episode for every great lesson in the modern world like there's a south right but there's one they were just like they don't leave and all they do is like play games and get really fat and it's going to poop and then his mom comes over like little bucket he poops in it he doesn't stop playing yeah that's how it is for some people it is it's pretty bizarre there's people like in south korea that died playing video games because they forget to go to the bathroom and drink water and it's just the study of the mouse that does that like it gives like they they have a little it gives a little kick of an of endorphins whenever it presses a button and it feels so good it keeps pressing the button over and over and over and over and over and over one day it just collapses because i forgot to eat and drink because it's so high off of the pleasure that it forgot about everything else right yeah it's it's not so there like this technology is a double-edged sword you know in one way it's leveraged us obviously to become the top player yeah masters of the planet you know but at the same time as we lean more into it it's becoming a crutch it is and i i i wonder if we're happier that's the question i always ask because don't get me wrong i don't want to get rid of anything i have but i do ask the question are we better off in terms of our well-being i guess my guess is that we're not i don't know i don't know if there are enough studies on anxiety and depression in the 1950s but from what i understand it's going up that's my understanding of but i i'm not too familiar to say oh it's the same it's always been this way and we're just acting like like old man right there complaining about how the better days you know but i may i don't want to sound like that guy right but i do feel that there has been an increase of how people are looking for validation outside of themselves to feel good like i need the world to approve me versus i approve of myself and i don't hand that power to anyone that is my power to appreciate who i am and how i feel right and i think when you hand that power to someone else the result is that you create a lot of oh a lot of that because now you need other people to approve of you right and i wonder if like the the the turning the the the world into a global village right making the world so much smaller if it hasn't created that side effect of like you constantly just more needy of validation whereas before you like you gotta pat on the back once a day or once a week and be like i'm good enough now you need one every 15 seconds if people aren't liking your pictures oh [ __ ] am i good enough am i good looking enough yeah am i smart enough am i making enough money and i'm not sure that element was there when my parents because they didn't have cell phones i could be wrong i don't know but uh i think we've never compared ourselves to people as much as we do now is what i'm trying to say and that has a negative effect i i definitely agree with that right i think if we went like 1993 95 just before internet started to burst right it we had a good mix of there was a good amount of technology but you didn't have that awareness of everything going on in the world at once right like when you had news it was local news unless it was like a war or like a meteor crashed yeah you wouldn't know what's going on in korea or australia like that wasn't in your circle you know and you didn't have cell phones where you could look up so you know you call people on a phone and sometimes there were rotary phones like yeah people that right away phone like yeah i used them as a kid you know so like you didn't have instant access to everything so most of your life experience is based on what you actually saw right and not so much unlike what i saw on social media so your circle of uh influence was much smaller was it much smaller your local community right i i feel that that's a much easier way to function versus like you said when you're on social media you have to compare yourself to the world yeah man there's a high standard it's a super high standard because there's so many super exceptional people whatever you're going to look at you know whether it's a beautician or as an artist or a musician or an engineer like there's outliers everywhere and like you get to see them all the time because guess what they're the most popular because they're the outlier yes and if you're like joe schmoe you're like man i suck like this guy like jumps like 20 feet and he can do this and i'm here like nothing yeah so like you're constantly being undermined every time you look not only that like you know there's one thing about social media is pretty consistent is how dishonest it is i'm like there's this uh the friend of mine in canada he's always sending me like pictures of like hot girls and he'll be like oh man look at that that dog such a beautiful breed right it's like just joking we're not looking but we're looking at the girl right and he sends me this this this page of this girl she has like god knows how many [ __ ] million followers are i mean it's just her doing yoga poses but in every single one of the poses her asses towards the camera it's a beautiful ass like it's like a majestic piece and you're just like you i mean you're a man you can't not stare it's impossible not to she's beautiful but the quotes are great you know look within yourself to find true half it was just like some of that motivational crap and i'm like do you not i mean do you self-delude yourself to the point where you actually believe what you're saying does anyone believe what you're saying clearly your following has to do with your looks not the fact that you're a beautiful person inside because i can't even see why you're inside because it's certainly not coming across through your pictures yeah you know but uh you know and then and it's it's it's a very fake environment people who don't own a yacht will take a picture in one and like act like they like that's not you bro that's you just i think what did i see this like i think lloyd just posted on that because people are jealous of imaginary lives that are not even being they're not really not even real dude i think there's a company in russia where like it's a fake jet and you can go inside and take pictures and just act like you're flying on a flying jet and it's just for your instagram so you walk in and you're acting like you're just looking you know just thinking about all the billions you have you know in a private jet it's not a real jet and you take the pictures in it and then that's they charge it for that and that's kind of what we're moving towards you know it's very strange everybody's trying to posture and like it's funny because we went scuba diving right yeah and we're in miami or in key west but this guy comes in and he looks like he's uh right off finishing his latest rap album yes he's got these giant gold chains he's got cats everywhere he has two girls uh like looked like they went to the same plastic surgery because they had these big old bugs same lips and everything and they're all going scuba diving and he's scuba diving with or he was like snorkeling or they had like a hybrid for like you know the chains off to scuba diving otherwise he'd sink he had the chains on and he's like crazy what are you doing you know like what's going on here in real life and it's a and the girls like they started crying like because they got freaked out when they went to dive or whatever because it wasn't like they thought it was gonna be it's real yeah yeah yeah it's like jesus christ man like and they're like oh wait and they were asking people oh let me take a picture for the gram and this and that like that's what this is really all about you know it's a hundred percent like you just look cool you know it's like jesus man just like enjoyed the moment yeah like that's why like my brother was asking oh what camera should i get for the scuba diving because we went to dive like honestly man i have a little cheap one because i could use one hand and do it because i want to enjoy the experience because if you want to be like a good ocean videographer you need to have a rig that's two-handed it has like these strobe lights here and it's a pretty much a full job of you operating this thing now i'm not diving right now you're filming now i'm filming yes right like i came to dive right you know like i i take like selfies and stupid little pictures of course yeah just like for whatever you know but that's like five seconds of a 60 minute dive yeah right i want to dive more than anything you know then the more stuff you put in something just get something your gopro you know mount it on your head and you're good that's yeah you can forget about it forget about it and just enjoy the actual experience of it because it's so it's a really good thing to disconnect from and there's no phones underwater so it's great it's beautiful that's one reason i like flying because i fly so much and everyone's like ryan i kind of know how you do it i'm like i kind of like it and it was like why it's like i don't get i get my i'm on airplane mode on the flight so i actually read without being interrupted no one interrupts me all right that's one of my biggest piece in life i was like i get interrupted all the time with my phone and i mean it's work so i don't have to do i don't mind but it's happened so much it's hard for me to focus like writing the the book was an unusual experience for me because i would make a point of putting my phone like upstairs and i'd be downstairs so i there's no way i can check it because if it's next to you you gotta check yeah so i have to have my phone far away from me and i'll take like for the next four hours i'm just gonna type and that's how i got it done relatively quickly because i wasn't being interrupted all the time so it made me think that i want to just have like an automated response on my text messages and whatever it's like hey man here's my email you know because i think i'd free up my time so much if i weren't on my phone because we it does you know really you know become like a leash yeah i told you no bs time management dan kelly i know you told me we had this one i i i know i i got to start reading some of these i ended up like reading the same stuff over and over but i got to still like especially the time management thing would be very helpful for you the the phone like if i'm gonna sit down and write something or do some creative work you know how it is if you get interrupted your flow is gone right done done it takes like 30 minutes to get it back get it back so you you got killed right so if i'm going to do something like that phone on mute and just put it face down away so i can't see the screen light up or anything and then you just do like a four hour block or two or whatever your time is you know like depends on how long you can go and then afterwards okay turn on and then check your things like we've been conditioned so much that when you hear ding oh yeah it's condition because you're like you know there's an endorphin that goes oh look did someone like something oh sweet yeah but uh if you if you had that thing off and you just work man it's so much easier and then there's no it's very rare that you have to have pick up a call that is going to be urgent yeah where what i mean urgent to me it's one at a it's a life or death situation that's never yeah that's never right so everything else can wait can wait right there's very rare like i haven't happened to me you know like i would that i've had a life or death situation that needed to be addressed immediately right if someone called oh i need to help with this project whatever like you usually could wait an hour yeah i'm with you or a couple hours and then i get back and i remember some people were getting upset me oh man you don't answer my text right away i'm like they're gonna have to yeah i'm like man i i'm doing stuff i'll get to it i answer every phone call every email you know but you know on my time because you said like when you're doing creative work you need that flow state and it takes like you said usually like 30 minutes or so to start getting into the vibe and okay now we got a good train of thought yes you want to type fast because you don't want to lose it yeah yeah yeah and now i'm flowing you know but like every time someone yanks you out of it it's hard it's just like with competing you know like if you're grappling you need to be in that flow state too yes i know like i did my last tournament i ever did was the ipgf was 2013 because after adcc i know you worlds no gui world worst i've ever done in competition ever and i wasn't in the right state of mind yeah anywhere because i my brother wasn't there to coach me because he had to do something else i was there solo not recommended i think you should always have a coach i didn't have a coach i'm like fine yeah especially if you're used to having one yeah i'm like you know i'll just do it my own i'm good so i went there and uh i remember i guess you have to wear the right shorts and i had the shorts that i thought were like approved for nogi oh no no they weren't there's so i got in the mats and then they're like oh you're gonna get dequeued i'm like what because those are the wrong shorts i said oh crap so now i'm running i'm trying to find shorts oh i gotta buy this okay and then again the mats and i'm just wearing i'm just worrying about getting dequeued i'm like oh i want to get here and then so when i got in the mats like my mindset was totally off i remember i was fighting this guy and he kept putting me like a 50 50 ankle locks and they were deep yeah and i wasn't even thinking about it and like i remember he was belly down full extension like this and i was looking at it i'm like that's kind of bad but i was so disconnected from the moment you couldn't react in time to do something about it yeah no unfortunately i mean i was able to eat them you know i'm like okay and then okay everybody you're talking about yeah but like i was just not there yeah i know exactly what you're talking about your mind is not there this is why i always say this like this is kind of like a new realization i'm pretty sure at some point we talked about it but like how important your social environment is for fighting because what puts me off is my personal life being out of whack like and it distracts me and i have a hard time getting into that flow when everything else is working in my life i feel like it's like i'm it's not that i'm getting into flow i'm in that flow i don't leave that state of flow or my focus is what i got to do but if other things are distracting me if i got problems at home or anything like that it keeps pulling me out of my flow and then it's hard for me to get in again right and i've had those i have both in my life and me performance wise it's night and day how it is when you're in that zone when you're in that flow of training of competing of like reactive the footlock before it's there right versus like mid-roll you're like thinking yeah i gotta pay that one bill later you know it like literally sometimes these thoughts they interrupt they're in the middle of your training yeah right and they should not be right you've gotta just it's hard to do because adult life responsibilities are the you know that's what adult life is but i think that's one reason why competitors are like it's almost like by necessity they're very irresponsible it's because they don't want to have any other concern in life distracting them maybe that's the way it should be because most competitors i know they're like they're like children they don't know how to do anything they don't want to learn either it's just they're very focused on what they're doing and nothing else matters well that's in the ideal world you have a coach or you have someone handling all these things for you as a professional athlete right you have your nutritionist you have your therapist you have your you know your coach for jiu jitsu or martial arts or mma whatever everybody's handling something so you can just focus on you right like okay i just need to be able to report to each of these coaches yeah and get what i need from them and then sleep right i mean that would be like if i was programming a machine that's how i would want it right you shouldn't have to worry about like okay work at nine to five and then come home and feed the dog and then do like now you're getting distracted like you're saying instead of just focusing purely on being uh in preparation for your event but we're human we need we need some sort of distraction but they have to be like managed you know i always tell people like for like fights and whatnot you know we talk about visualization and stuff those are all great but when it comes close to the fight camp it's like when the fight's about to happen like a week out and say stop doing that yeah because you're going to be like going double-team it's so it's so true like when i get closer i want to get away from it a little bit but my trick is that it always works is like i'll try to go to the movie theater the night before it always works because like for some reason i still get excited about going to movie theater like you know watching a movie at home is just not the same i like the smell of popcorn it's something exciting it was like the night before the night before i went ecc that's what i did i went to the the movie theater what did i watch i think it was spider-man those plans the very first spider-man and uh it was great man it was great like it was just like one of those like get your mind off of jiu jitsu completely for two three hours it's just like still you know and i think you need that because you can it's like watching the highlight reel of your opponent too many times yeah i mean you shouldn't watch it period but like you should study your opponent a little bit but you got to stop it because if you keep watching it every day yeah it gets into your head too much you gotta you know you gotta i normally recommend fighters watch their opponents beginning of camp yeah we know what the camp is once you know what the camp is done yeah don't touch it again yeah like you're saying you just need to be aware of what they bring right you don't need to be as like super special as understanding every nook and cranny of their game like he said because now i'm focusing on what they're doing instead of what i'm going to do right so i always tell people have an awareness of what the opponent is doing like oh he's really good leg locks okay that means i my camp should include like defense and prevention and all that but like yeah watching highlight reels is just gonna i know i did it once i've never done it again because it turned a chump into a superhero yeah because that's what a highlight reel is it makes them look way better than they actually are yeah and then you're overestimating somebody yeah and you're second guessing yourself but the movie theater i i don't go to a movie theater but i do watch movies yeah like it's a great day for a fight or watch tv just something where that's the one time you do want to just like blink out like tiger king yeah something it's like like addicting like you can't stop watching you know it's garbage but you can't stop watching it i watched that whole thing in like two days i think it was embarrassing it couldn't stop you have you seen it yeah yeah yeah yeah of course i think they perfectly timed that release yeah the best thing about that tv show was that uh like every single person he interviewed is an absolute lunatic oh there's no one normal that's what's so great like they live in this altered reality i think the opening quote in the first episode was like oh yeah but the monkey people yeah the monkey people are crazy and i'm like oh god the monkey people are crazy got it no one else right they're all totally honest what are the monkey people yeah one guy who had the whole cult with the with all the with the tigers yeah the doc something around there say jesus yeah there's some weird world is an interesting place an interesting place yeah it is um dave i think we're good man we probably hit an hour in the time of today it's probably out of tomorrow yeah we hit an hour there um but yeah um man it was fun in a minute we got to do this now that your back covet is kind of over not over but we're not freaking at first everyone's freaking out we don't even want to film episodes because like dave for sure has coveted i don't want to get infected i have to feel like this well i'll tell you my mother she got overnight yeah i had it too yeah i got it some point yeah she she had a bat she went to the hospital they had her in isolation like three weeks but uh she also had three major hormone babies she was overweight she's over 60 she has like a form of cancer like cll so like they were trying to be very sheltered but they just made one mistake which was they had an ac guy come into their place to repair the ac turns out the guy wasn't wearing a mask she wasn't wearing a mask they let that guard down for a moment later on like a couple days later she ends up having a hard time breathing take her to the hospital locked out that guy ended up going to the hospital his wife passed away so yeah that one exposure done right yeah but they were more worried for my father because he was going through chemo yeah he got it just lost his smell that was yeah and he had some hard time sleeping i think that was it it just affected them very differently you know but my mom had a history of having pneumonia and that's what she got yes really those are the ones that are most at risk yeah and she had it really bad but fortunately she's already back home now pulled through but i think at the end of the day not to get too political or anything here we're not going to be able to wear masks forever no right like no unless that's what everybody wants to play around with like we're going to oh wear masks year round because look we're started like well some people are saying march at least the lockdowns but it was here earlier yeah right and now we're in september about the enter october and we're still having this so at some point either we're to accept that this is what it is or we're going to continue i think it's just like when the spanish flue came along it was very similar people were wearing masks and they were i don't know how long it went on for but that was that was a world pandemic it was not so different almost exactly 100 years ago eventually the spanish flu became part of life yeah and now and now it's still around but we you know we don't stop going to work because the flu is out there we keep i think coveted was just going to be another one the strain of the flu that we're gonna have to deal with but like i don't think that this is permanent like for a minute they're like man is how life is gonna be i don't think so i think it's gonna things gonna bounce back to normal i mean maybe six months i don't know like who can predict but yeah it's not life to be like you can't hug people anymore yeah you know no it's it it can't work that way right and what they have done around this country just in this country alone is horrifying when i went to the keys those people were really frustrated apparently they blocked the road so that nobody could get in or out of the keys well i guess certain people were allowed if you were from the keys you're able to move in and out yeah but you couldn't visit that's a tourist account yeah so guess what happened to them they got rabbits yeah so i mean there's a lot of places like that are just really frustrated yeah what people is as they do prioritizing health over everything else and i i'm not trying to be you know not not it's a serious that i understand that but i still believe that a global depression is a more serious threat because it's going to impact the disease and the recovery of people as well because if we're broke we can't treat people either so it's not like corona is going to get better if we enter a global depression the choice is not between corona and global depression is it between corona or global depression plus corona yeah exactly i know that's those two alternatives yeah so it's it's not going like you said it's going to be like another seasonal thing that's going on and the best way about this be healthy yeah you can't be healthy if you're hiding away somewhere no one thought what that means the most i think there's a reason why it's never talked about because it's free and it's cheap and it's efficient be healthy like sleep well get some sun work out eat healthy immune system strong chances are you'll fight off the virus that's your best weapon against this thing right it is your immune system it's not any vaccine or the hospital or the ventilators that's a plan b man plan a be healthy it's like jiu jitsu yeah i get this question every day i get a question from a white belt they go like this how do i get out of a triangle i'm like bro and i explain so i thought the best solution is not to get out don't get caught right and they don't like that answer but it's similar with this virus i think the best alternative the best option we have is not to get caught in the triangle and get caught in the corona trying like don't get caught and then you're good once you're caught okay now you got a much bigger problem in your hand and it's a simple solution eat sleep eat healthy sleep well you know sun workout so all the people i've known that had serious uh like effect from it we're all healthy they weren't as good as they could be right so like i feel like it's anecdotal but i think like that's the best thing you can do because you can't run away from it forever you know like like you said like if we're we're sheltered in anymore it's going to be a problem it already is a problem for our lives oh we're printing money every the only reason the comments are right because the government's just writing everyone to check right now yeah right and that's why we're getting by but like how long is that going to go on for government writing people's checks like renting more dollars like i don't know man i'm no economist but yeah i'm pretty sure there are consequences to that absolutely um all right dave i gotta go man it was a pleasure uh we'll do this again we gotta get a guesser at some point uh i got some guys in mind and um but yeah it was fun man i once again i want to apologize you guys about the documentary um but it's not on me man it really is but the book is out book is good you guys are gonna like it and where where do people find out about it rob closeguardfilm.com you see how bad of a business man i am i don't know closed guard film.com that's where the film is going to be books ready out we'll come up with some posters soon yeah instagram also is uh instagram is at closed guard film gotcha all right makes it easy all right all right guys we'll see you in the next one you