BTG 45 - Election Madness

[Music] hey guys what's going on it's david avalon here with my co-host robert drysdale for another edition of breaking the guard we're in the post-election season supposedly although everything's up in the air right now no one knows [ __ ] about [ __ ] so i think that i posted on social media like how are we in 2020 and we're still we're getting worse at elections yeah doesn't make sense there's clearly something wrong because you know this is the richest country in history it's supposed to be a beacon of democracy and every [ __ ] year this happens like it doesn't happen in other countries there's got to be a better way of doing what we're doing you know yeah is that just that like some people say oh you know grovid and they had a lot of mailing ballots true i'm sure that's something at the same time it's like it's not like they got surprised that there was an election coming up you know like yeah it's only happened every four years for the past two centuries no it's that ibdjf has better organization in terms of like oh yeah 100 percent yeah if you think about like i guess part of the delays were that they were allowing same-day voter registration so someone could show up to the balance and then they say i need to register i'm registered there they don't allow you to do ibgf there's a reason for it right because it complicates things yeah i mean it's hard to validate things you know so it it's like there should be a cut off you know like the mailing ballot's like man like i got the million ballot like months before well i'm gonna wait like two days after the election to submit my ballot now it's like there's got to be a cutoff i agree no you need rules but the thing is i think the paper format is kind of outdated we can you know digitize it at this point i don't i i understand that i mean i remember in brazil voting is mandatory everyone was living there you had to vote you paid a fine it wasn't a high fine but it would have to be if you paid a fine if you didn't show up which is you know you can argue undemocratic but at the same time you get you get the whole population to vote at least so there's two sides to it right but i remember this is back in 2002 they had like um it was it's all digital you press and you know you press a code and it goes right so it all goes to a central so you can count the votes with two hours after the election closes whatever it is like it's pretty quick i'm not sure exactly how long it takes but it's a lot faster because you don't have to physically count votes it's the system and i'm thinking it's probably as long as no one's hacking it it's probably harder to you know for fraud to take place because it's it's a central all the votes are going to one place and you got your voter number i mean i'm not saying that it's a perfect system but it seems like there's there are better ways of doing what we do it's just that we're doing it the way it was done 200 years ago it seems like and it hasn't really evolved and the whole day the electoral college the what do you call the electoral uh college i mean how can you have less votes and win at the end i understand like that's the way it's always been done but at the same time it's like if this partner has more votes than that one it's pretty [ __ ] clear to me that this person won you know but the way it works i'm not convinced that's a better system um but again it's been done for so long i guess it's just the way it is i think on the technology front i agree with you you know the argument was that it would be easier to hack right like oh you know someone yeah and where you're trusting the technology to do the job and maybe you know someone has a back door fair enough but like is that any better that's going on right now because right now there's all sorts of scandals going on people saying they were injecting ballots overnight and they're you know people not counting certain balance you know there's dead people voting you know so it's like it's not like the paper system is any safer yeah it seems like it's just as rife with uh corruption particularly since there's so much time and i guess some districts now like here in nevada they're right there's protesting in front of valley stations because i guess the people at the stations were blocking off the wall so nobody could see what was going on like they're supposed to be transparency you're supposed to be able to watch people doing their work so it's like in other words it's not any safe there's no there's handle so there's vulnerability everywhere but i agree with you like we have technology let's step it up right i'm sure there's a way that you can do this digitally without having all these compromises you know like of course any system's hackable just like paper is but like this is getting a little silly now i think paper will be easier i feel like and it's not it's slower like imagine you have like for example you have this county and it's like fiercely republican or democrat whatever the case be easier to disappear with those votes i feel like yeah and that's what they're that's where the confusion goes like no one's trusting the people who are responsible for um uh handling the election so it's it's a matter of trust too and it's very i mean we were just talking about this before the the podcast but it worries me it's going to escalate into violence because once people are not communicating anymore there's no more dialogue there's no more trust well the next step after that is violence yeah i agree i think it's a big problem on the other hand with the electoral college i support the electoral criminal i'll tell you why there's the argument they have is called the tyranny of the the majority right where essentially if you have these smaller states yeah like for example nevada if we go by purely by population nevada doesn't really matter anymore you've got states like california new york florida texas they would be determining the vote you know remember we're like a constitutional republic we have a bunch of different states that all do their own thing so like if i'm a smaller state why would i enter this union if i know i'm going to be overshadowed because everybody else because every state has its own which is unusual too like i'm going to forget that like most countries they have a federal law and applies everywhere i think i don't know of any other country that has a system the u.s has as far as how much power the states have individually but i guess you could see what you're saying we're complicated because california would carry so much more weight in domestic policy than in nevada if i understand it correctly yeah because i mean you have to also remember too that like the reason i like the fact that it stays all the states are very different you've been through yeah you know i've been i've lived in several for extended periods west virginia is very different than florida and there's las vegas is washington d.c so like this type of rules and the ways they live over there are very different and wouldn't work if you apply the rules of california the rules of new york right yeah so i i agree in having the state separated you know so when you just say here direct iraq direct democracy that kind of weakens those days like they already get very little representation as far as like you don't see like lots of campaigning in like the dakotas for example right imagine if they did just direct democracy there's like what 100 people who live there just forgot it you know what i mean yeah i mean that yeah like once again like the state law does change things a bit so maybe that's why they do the way it does but in my head the more direct democracy is the better it is right like the alternative is worse but like i i could see complications if you're a very small state i guess but you know here here we are man like i'm not sure what's going to happen i just hope that people don't go at it and they accept whatever the results are like i i can have a preference this happened recently in brazil like you know the guy who's the current brazilian president like i don't i never support i don't like him for a variety of reasons but you know when he won like i accepted like he's brazilian president like i don't have like oh he's not legitimate it was like he won you know i got plenty of my friends voted for him i totally believe that he won the elections right i don't think there was fraud but like it's interesting to see because it was actually closer than people thought it was going to be and there were a lot of people on his side who were talking about you know intervening and military coup and which in latin america is like very easy to happen and it doesn't take much the military they get the generals get bored that's my theory there's nothing going on latin america they've never seen a war so they can't wait for an opportunity to get involved in some kind of action but um and um and i think that's kind of what what what would happen is they had they lost the election they would have intervened i'm not sure all sides are accepting of the result and that's the part that worries me it's like hey man you lost that's your new president except you don't have to like him yeah but you should support him he's your president you sure i want him to do good you should want him to do great like and any kind of boycott is and really not even indirectly directly a boy caught towards your own country yeah because at the end of the day that guy is leading you and an entire nation so you ought to be supportive yeah i agree and uh it brings us to a topic that you had for me an article and some user organization that was saying that was it called q anon like because it's a q a yeah yeah and that the ufc is a is a almost extremist right organization that's promoting fighters you know like i i guess they they had colby coming to my name and they had one guy they weren't referencing by name oh and of course eddie bravo is it was something that yeah is listed as uh essentially giving uh air time to like you know conspiracy theories and whatnot i thought it was pretty funny like well now we're being painted with this broad brush you know it's i don't mind i think that people everyone everyone should have an opinion on politics politics is one that it's almost like a civil duty to have an opinion an informed educated opinion but everyone should be somewhat of an expert on the topic because your livelihood and the likelihood of your family and your country depends on it so everyone should be informed everyone should participate my issue and the reason i see that article is is like how widespread the whole conspiracy everything is it is because it probably is like there's zero skepticism like every way people want to believe something they just jump to immediate conclusions because it probably is you know and the i think the conspiracy theory thing it's never been worse i don't know man like i you know the last 10 years i've seen a big shift in people the other day someone was telling me about the globalists so there's a new one ever heard of that i never there's a new one the globalist i'm like who's that oh it's the chinese and the canadians i'm like wait wait wait slow down and then and then it's like it's it's this way of spinning the world because the second you have the illuminati or the globalists or any kind of you know a room of people you know they're really controlling the world it's so easy to get rid of the problem right because you get rid of that people you solve the problem yeah and the problem is always much bigger it's not so simple clearly there are people that have a lot of influence on how the world and what happens in the world more than me and you but to say that if you got rid of those people we would solve the problem that's like a whole different statement right so it's just so it's a simplistic way of looking at the world and trying to solve the world's problems is saying get rid of these people and then everything is going to fall into place you know i think it brings you to a point which we also were talking about which is people have lost a lot of faith in public institutions especially here in the us like the advent of the word faith news which you know who coined the term donald trump no hillary clinton she acquainted she coined it but she didn't use it like she said it like once and it caught on and then trump just picked it up and like oh i'm gonna run with this yeah she started it yeah but she had going did i learned that recently but uh you know we lost faith in government we lost faith and this is particularly with a lot of scandals like example we i just watched the edward snowden you know documentary and then we saw the film version of it you know that uh most importantly and uh people see that and then they get hey man we've been lied to this whole time you know and it creates a lot of skepticism i think when you have an intense level of skepticism these conspiracy theories start looking more and more alluring but then you need skepticism to expose those because if you put them to scrutiny like they very very rarely they stand you know like some of them are pretty outlandish when you think about it um yeah i you know i tend to lean towards you know a conspiracy as possible and it has involves very like small number of people so if you have like a you know i mean we're going to conspire to do something just me and you you know there's a good chance we get away with it once you get 5000 people involved you know what i'm saying and that's why when people talk about like 911 being a conspiracy i'm like you know how many people would have to be involved to pull something like that off i think about it they're put they're planting bombs on every floor of both those buildings you know how long that would take you know how many people like you know the cleaning personnel didn't see anything like no one saw anything you know how many people at the government level would have to be involved for something like that to actually take place we're talking hundreds if not thousands of you like there's no way you can pull something like that off without it leaking especially the edge of the internet everything leaks so quickly now if that were just me and you or just one person suppose that we're possible that's believable because you're going well that's not really conspiracy if it's one person but like if it's two it is it's more because okay the odds of something going wrong or one of us talking or information leaking or communication where you can pretty slim right that was like the fbi's nightmare is a ted kaczynski unibomber it's a one-man operation how do you catch him yeah he's not communicating with anyone he's not sending emails letters it's just him and him like how do you catch that guy that's a much bigger problem like that is something like okay you say something like that believable but to say that the man man didn't land on the moon you know how many people at that nasa level would have to be involved to pull that off every single one of those scientists said yep we're just going to go wrong with it yeah and and only that the soviets would not call us on our [ __ ] our biggest rivals at the time they'd be completely noticed that they never said anything about that the soviets the people who were most interested in in a space exactly and they're like well now you guys won you know they're quiet about it yet you know people in the us are like no it was it was fake it was like man that's pretty it's a bit of a stretch there you know that's what i found funny about that article because the people they were leading with was like colby covington which is like a over-the-top character at this point he plays the part like he knows what he's doing it's not it's not like he's not like being a serious person yeah and then you have eddie bravo who funny guy and he's he contributed a lot to the sport but i mean as far as like a thought leader i don't really think of it as i wonder see if these guys believe that or if they're just doing it to get attention because when you say outlandish things people end up talking about you like we are now so it works in terms of marketing it works but i don't think people actually believe that i might not like you actually believe the earth like all these physicists all these all these everyone is wrong and you are right based off of some internet article you read like it blows my mind that anyone will be that arrogant but i i guess some people do believe the earth is flat yeah it's pretty crazy in this day and age is it it's funny there's like this one famous tweet where i guess they had the flatter society yeah he says oh we have members all across the globe yeah and someone goes blue i saw that one and then the other comment read something like read that one more time very slowly yeah no but it's it's pretty it's pretty remarkable that people are just they're just willing to believe anything and then they gotta spin it in a way like the globalists are coming i heard that one recently what the [ __ ] does that even mean you know and oh there's there's a conspiracy the coronavirus the whole world is conspiring like every government in the world got together and they agreed on something whoa whoa that's a big event right there you're talking every we're talking hundreds of countries here and you guys all sat down and all secretly agreed they were going to roam this coronavirus thing to keep people locked at home to control the population that's a pretty big statement that that would say more about humanity oh my god talk about cohesion right talk about unity like we've never been so united right like united under one race you know and the human race and i mean and the funny thing is like when you hear like oh when the elections are over everything is going to go back to normal and i was talking to a friend of mine in poland and he goes like nah we said the same thing over here we had elections nothing changed yeah same [ __ ] coronavirus is still here it might be different the us has bigger influence in in in in terms of like world events so what happened the world is watching what happens here it has a bigger impact on the world but as far as the virus goes nothing's going to change it's still a virus it doesn't there's no cure after the election yeah that is for sure you know in the conspiracy theory from we're not immune to this in the martial arts either with uh we had our guest like dojo life here and yeah he combats a lot of this type of stuff in this people things like that the mats and death touches and you think in this day and age that wouldn't fly but it still does people want to believe it yeah because it's it's it's fantastic when you think it was worse before people think it's bad now imagine what people can get called on their [ __ ] like i've gotten some some flack over you know me not putting you know some of the historical figures in terms of martial arts on pedestals you know because i you know i think they're they're a bunch of liars for the most part like these people lie because we think oh he's 90 years old he doesn't lie like no it's worse the older they get the more they like it's the other way around and i feel terrible saying this because i don't want to take cr but we we interview these grand masters i don't know if they're lying if they're aware of it or just making [ __ ] up but like they seem to think that because they're 90 and no one challenges them it must be true right yeah and but i think you know learning somewhat about something about the history of martial arts in brazil i i think it's almost like the trend the most common thing to do was to lie the difference is then they couldn't get caught on their [ __ ] so they were more in the open about it whereas now people do [ __ ] but they're more secretive about it so instagram is a perfect example everyone's portraying a life that is not real everyone acts like they have more money than they do everyone acts like they're better looking than they are that's what filters are for everyone's acting like they're living a life that they wish they were living but we all know that they're not living right that's not real it's it's a form of you know trying to make yourself look better than you actually are we're just more um we're just not in the open about it it's more see more concealed in some ways whereas back in the day man all these people did was oh [ __ ] man like they're just so full of it like everyone exaggerated how good they are they were and how what they were capable of and i think that tradition in martial arts of like believing that some human beings are real truly extraordinary and this guy really is different he's special anyone who trains know that's a load of crap that you know you get some people that are better than others but no one's invincible everyone's got an achilles heel and you you fight enough you're going to lose there's no way around that yeah as incredible as khabib is if he keeps fighting someone's going to figure him out he's going to beat him it's just a matter of time you know and he's like probably the most i mean if there's someone who's been dominant in mma i think it's fair to say it's been khabib right like 29 i know who does that but um it just is no way around it man people just are attracted to this fantastic sort of a narrative of martial arts and i think it has to do with like western martial arts are very different from eastern martial arts in the sense where like boxing and wrestling there's never a lot of been a lot of bs around them it's always been like straight up forward like can you beat me fight win tournament combat you know but it's something about the east there's something uh exotic about it to the western mind there's something like that's um there's a mysticism around the eastern martial arts everything that is eastern is supposed to be in some way you know magical mystical that's what you see like people that believe that i mean the shaolin monks i understand they are true athletes but there are people who believe that they can pull off [ __ ] like they would walk in the ufc and win yeah you know and they believe that like oh the reason they don't win is because they're gonna i gouge the fighter and that's illegal in the ufc that's like no that's not why you wouldn't win you wouldn't win an amateur fight like but like people they want to believe this and it's so ingrained in the martial arts culture well i think that's a good point you bring because you don't see this happening in sports for a reason because it's tested all the time yeah right like there's nobody who believes in a football player who can do some type of you know you could throw 100 yard passes or you know sprint super fast because i see let's see it i've been in the martial arts trail a lot of times they wouldn't compete right so it's like how do you know and then they make a story right especially and it might not even start with the the guy the story is about it might have just been his students yeah oh man you can tap out ten people you know just like this and like oh and then the legend begins you know and especially when there's no internet there's no video there's no way of comparing people or seeing it everything just lives in folklore yeah but i think now particularly i mean we go back to ufc one and nobody was thinking oh boys gracie's gonna win this thing i know yeah they had friends about the guy the sumo guy and it was like a total toss-up nobody had a clue if we actually knew what was going on it would have been really easy to pick the winner i think the public did i think there were people in the background obviously you know like whoring like had a very high expectation oh sure there are people that knew what because like that had been an old tradition but the average spectator the average american watching that those first ufc's they had no they were really curious to see because they didn't even see fighter they saw style yes that's how it was branded too exactly that's what was different then it was style versus style right and like you said the gracies have been doing it they've been testing it in the challenges so they already knew what was what would happen yeah everybody else was clueless yeah i had no idea what the hell was going on it's pretty surprising when you think about it that because now we take wrestling grappling for granted as far as martial arts but up to 93 that was not a thing in the us like people did not consider it part of fighting that was that one guy who walked in there with a boxing glove on remember that yeah jemmerson yeah he had him he's like dude this guy is so clueless that's what's going to happen he thought he was going to be boxing imagine walking in there with a boxing glove on you know um but it goes to show the level of ignorance of the general public uh um in terms of fighting when you think about it doesn't take a genius to figure out that eventually you're gonna grapple like bruce lee called it like he he you know you got to give him credit he foresaw a lot of the things that would happen in a real fight granted he never fought you got to keep that in mind people like how great of a fighter he was like when did he fight he never fought right so they have all these like i guess like underground matchups supposedly you know i'm not saying he wasn't good he might have been phenomenal my point is like we don't know exactly because we've never seen it right but you got to give him credit for as far as his theory of what would happen in a fight he was on the right track he wasn't the only one right like japanese shooters always existed he just never you know became a thing um i mean it never became as big as the ufc but it was basically very similar to ufc it could have taken off it just didn't um and i suspect that it was you know because it was in japan a and you know i think that the gracie spin to it added like a layer of curiosity you know it made people more curious about um what was happening there in a way that shoot maybe did it but um i think the style versus style thing was that was a big one yeah i think that was yeah was always just reminders it was shooter it was pretty much mma there was very little differences there was no contrasting there wasn't like who's is better and we know yeah we'd love to see that type of stuff right there's no story behind it yeah with the ufc there's definitely story there's like okay we have this guy from brazil you know and then we have this uh the sumo guy then we have the french savate guy yeah you know there was a shooter it was like street fighter yeah exactly i think that's how that's how i saw it as a kid when i first saw the ufc this is like that van damme movie what do you call it the blood sport that's for it yeah that's that's street fighter that was the uft in my head it's like bloodsport meets street fighter but for real now yeah it wasn't too far removed as far as rules were concerned yeah this is no eye gouging and no biting i mean we're we're missing like shurikens and you know hadoukens but like other than that man it was it was um i mean i have nostalgia of those days like someone just sent me a recent like a commercial of like uh the first ufc and one it's interesting to me to see the amount of [ __ ] that goes into how it was sold there was so much yes but on the other hand there was this nostalgia of that era because there was something very cool about the style versus style thing which is dead now because now it's become like shoot though it's one style really there's no such thing as jiu jitsu versus karate anymore right but yeah it's interesting looking back because when you watch the technical level it's all atrocious yeah it's like it's like going back into like the 80s and watching playing in nintendo you know or atari you can't he's like this is so awful i can't even look at you look at the early ufc it's like oh man like this is it's so bad atrocious groundwork you know the athleticism was not there you know it was a lot of like tough guys you know and and i just always reminds me of like i never watch old movies that in my mind are great like i don't wanna ever watch back to the future in indiana jones ever again i made that mistake a while back you ever see highlander oh yes highlander in my mind it was like you know if you're younger than us you probably don't remember because when i was a kid highlander my mind was like the greatest film ever it was the only one man there can be only one right it's such a great story right in my head and i made me my my ex were like sit down and watch like it's so good you're gonna watch it like five minutes in i'm like oh [ __ ] i can't believe i suggested this it's so bad it ruined it man you can't watch it again you just got to leave that memory how it was it was great when i was a kid and that's why i don't i don't like touching classics like i've learned that lesson like just leave it as is like watching the ufc now is the equivalent yeah just leave it as it is in your memory because in your memory it was incredible this is so cool you know when you watch it again he's tactically he's like oh [ __ ] man this is terrible yeah it was really important thailand in the movie was never really that good in my mind the series is much better i don't think i saw the series they had a tv series is it fairly new no no no no it was old but it came but like yeah the highland movie itself like especially when you watch it back it has sean connery and all that you think but it was just awful you know like but see when i was seven years old that's not the case man i think the lore of it is a lot more appealing you know especially to people young men you know they say oh you have a race of immortals and they could only be one chop your head off yeah yeah so it's kind of cool so the like the series was a lot more it was a better storytelling because they followed one guy yeah because it's a good story it's a good plot it's like it's very poorly written and directed i think that was the case you know just like they didn't know what to do with it because you can have an amazing plot and ruin it very quickly if you don't have the right writer the right actor is the right director yeah i feel like for example like even the alien movies like prometheus i love the concept of it i think execution is horrible who directed that again i can't remember was that really scott really scott it's unusual because he's such a good director yeah but it's just i don't know it seems so like far-fetched you know like you have like super smart scientists and then they see like a giant snake thing and they're like oh i'm not trying to pet this thing he's like are you out of your mind like no serpents and outer universally known like since biblical times bad things yeah right kill it i remember i don't remember the plot i mean i you know that it was not a good movie in my head because i don't remember much of it i deleted from my memory but i remember watching with high expectations yeah it was a prequel to alien right yeah so i had a lot of promise to it and you know and then i remember being disappointed like again it's the same thing the lore of it is great like i'm like okay i like the backstory just delete everything the way they told it yeah like you have a race of super aliens that essentially went around the universe and like depositing their genetic material that's the thing about becoming too critical is that when you start learning too much about these things it's you become pickier like i become like to me like every action film was watchable before now the 99 percent of them are not watchable yeah like it's just you know exactly you see like a fight scene for example like when i was a kid every fight scene was absolutely amazing now like i literally it gives me anxiety seeing some watching some of these fights because they're so poorly done and i just like [ __ ] man this is terrible i good writing right i always give this example i always recommend this tv show to people uh true detective have you seen it yep yep it's my favorite tv series of all time episode season one to me is like when's the best it is the best tv series ever in my opinion yeah the writing the acting everything about it and i always give that as an example of good writing because they kept you wanting more all it was a great plot and it was perfectly executed in my opinion but you know and then when you raise the bar to that and then you go season two and three which are not bad if you watch them independently you think it's bad because you're comparing it to one yeah that's the standard that's the problem because the bar has been raised so high now you can't meet it ever again and i feel like that's the case with like bands that's the case with film with seasons you can't once you have like a masterpiece it's like everything after that is just going to be [ __ ] you know so detective they're not the same storyline so it works but like you're like man that first storyline it was so good but it was it was not just the plot that was great it was the combination the acting the i mean the writing was my favorite part i think he did a great job i heard that guy wrote it to him like very quickly i think he pitched it to hbo and then they went on with and he had to write the whole season in like like weeks like a couple weeks kind of thing he really rushed to do it and he still killed it so yeah but now highly recommend it that was good when then uh every single watch a social dilemma you watch it now would you thank her well i turned up all the notifications on my phone didn't yeah i answered what i thought about it very very interesting my favorite was like how there's an avatar of you that facebook has or google has and they know more about you than you know about yourself which is disturbing when you think about it you know the the main guy uh tristan uh he had done an interview with joe rogan just like last week i watched that more of the same points but he did have a very interesting quote that i thought was uh very limited because i guess there was man i forget the title of the book that he was saying but he like paraphrased like the forward of it and uh pretty much he said that the author was right you know when 1984 passed you know everybody in the in the modern world be the side relief that orwellian's vision didn't come to fruition yeah and but what they didn't realize there was a greater uh fear that was coming that was older but people had forgotten which was huxley's brave new world whereas orwell was afraid of tyranny from the government by using fear and oppression and huxley was afraid of tyranny of people submitting to their pleasures yeah it's very interesting because that's kind of what social media is right it's like giving you what you want and no one's forcing you to go on your phone no yeah you do it voluntarily the other thing too is i actually never read uh brave new world actually it's been on my to-read list for years i i will read it i just i love 1984 but the reason why that level of theory at the government level it's too obvious the way 1984 is in that sort of world it's too obvious who the enemy is it'll be too easy for people to spot it right and he's oppressing you so it's easy to spot that identify the government as your enemy it's a less realistic world than what you're suggesting i haven't read brave new world but a world that we're living in where you volunteer to give your information away you volunteer to have google and facebook know everything about you know you don't have to use their platform no one's forcing you yeah but it's you succumbing to your own pleasures right so that's that's a lot scarier because you know the enemy in this case is your lack of discipline to put your phone down and i'm you know and i you know i'm guilty of this as well like i catch myself drift like sometimes the middle of the night i wake up to pee and i go check my phone and i make an effort to stop that now it's like man this is sleep time like i don't want who cares who's texting me right now you know um i'll do is like when i'm reading i sometimes i'll read and like i have the habit of interrupting my reading to check my phone which is terrible can i say you know you spend 10 minutes on your phone instead of but now i put timer i put a timer when i'm reading one hour and i cannot touch my phone until the phone beeps so i'll read for one hour straight it's been great so we have to figure out ways of tricking ourselves to discipline ourselves so not to succumb to this because i don't want to live without the internet without my phone i enjoy it but i don't want it controlling me either and it does bother me that google has all that information about me no i don't because it's not just what i like to buy that part doesn't bother me so much if they give me an ad that i'm interested in that helps me the part that bothers me is my personal life yeah that part bothers me because they know everything about it as because they're listening to this conversation because my phone's right next to me yeah that part bothers me far more than anything else well it's my exact it's fresh in my mind because i just watched the snowden thing yeah but you could see like towards the end of his like career in contract work he was becoming very very alarmed because i guess they show one bit that he is confronted by his uh superior and he goes hey look you know i know you know i covered for you in geneva when you kind of dropped the ball he's like oh and i appreciate that story because you also know that i covered for you when you lied on your polygraph to get into this next and then he's not as quiet and he goes did you use any authorized programs that i'm not aware and then he had used an unauthorized program that he wasn't supposed to and he was quick to give a cover story which is oh you know me and my girlfriend at the time were having a really bad time and i thought she was cheating me and i was checking in on her and he actually did so it kind of covered him yeah and then the boss goes i know you two had a rough patch there in geneva just to assuage your fears she's not cheating on you i remember that yeah yoga guy or whatever he knew so like oh that means this guy's actively watching her right now because this is someone she's next to right now you know so like he starts putting the tape on all the laptops yeah it's it's very disturbing when you think about it yeah so like we're kind of though we're gonna make we're kind of at both they're converging there is a uh there is the i guess the foundation for creating a 1984 government at this point right because they do have this surveillance capability but we also have the the brave new world problem which is that we're also being succumbed to our pleasures yeah and it's through that that we're giving the power to government to be able to access all the information so it's a very interesting point in our in our history now 100 yeah because i think that the point of you know at least people say government but i think it's power right like government is a manifestation of power but if you have uh it doesn't have to be a government for it to be powerful manifest jeff bezos has more power than the president of the united states like that guy he's got so much money he can influence any election do you think he can't you think he doesn't pull strings you think he can't he doesn't have the power to do that it's just that i think there's been a shift in power from the political stage into the private stage like that's the i think the private sector is the one that really has the the that's where power is concentrated because wealth has been concentrated to such an extent here and you know of course you have citizens united too which allows basically big money to buy into elections and that's what they do they do they finance the campaigns and they're you know lobbying is it's so common ground in in washington i i think that that's that's where power is leaning towards the private sector it's not so much the government per se but even though there's this whole move about you get a government out of your life and my fear has always been okay you get government out of your life you replace it with what because with government at least i have some say it's not ideal but i have some say it's still a republic i still get to vote i still have my rights you know when you remove all that and you place you know you have a power vacuum because you remove the power from you you know which technically is people the power of the people and you put that power in the hands of the private sector what say do i have that now like i have to say as a consumer of amazon and google but not so much as in what their decision making is and they do have a lot of decision-making power at the high level it's tricky now right because i guess the argument from other people would be that the private sector already has power over hundreds out because they're essentially all the all of their government actors are being puppeted by all their special interests and you know the donors and all these people that they've made promises to get this campaign money because how big of a thing that campaigns are you know i mean when you had hillary spending like billion like i think they said nearly a billion dollars in a campaign which is insane you know it's not her money right of course that's what people are like that's private sector money the thing i didn't know about was that campaign uh managers get a percentage of that as their salary oh wow it's like five ten percent or it's some dependent money yeah it's like man it's a good business to be in right there where we got that at least picked up 100 million you know yeah so that's why like there's conspiracy but whatever but i mean yeah so there's already like private sector influence in government already so they're saying like if you remove the big government that's still going to be there you know that's it's it's already taken a new shape like it's like that that the there's a book i always i mean there are a lot of ties between you know gov big government does exist it just doesn't favor the little guy it favors big business it's a book i always recommend people read it's called uh the nanny state by dean baker i just give a friend ed they get a copy it's a small read but it basically talks about how government is used but for the benefit of big business so they get like plenty of stuff like pharmaceuticals are subsidized airlines are subsidized like um arms industry heavily subsidized right so this is all public funds that are going into the hands of the private sector they just don't pay us back so once they develop the weapons or the drugs or whatever they don't pay us back right the drug is there as they patent it whatever but it was the research was done with public funds right so that's a form of corporate welfare it doesn't come up in conversation because both parties you know these are the people who are financing their campaigns but that's why it doesn't come up it's a huge issue and it goes to show that there's a lot more ties between the government and the big business than people would think they're essentially the not saying they are the government but they they're the sponsors they're the ones behind it all and i think there's a quote from john dewey it goes politics is the shadow cast on society by big business and there's a lot of truth to that you know big business is the one that's politics is just a shadow of something bigger yeah very interesting i'm gonna go to another movie illusion that you told me uh moneyball yes that was great man i love that one very good movie um we looked into the guy's life afterwards so did it add up i didn't look into the facts i just saw the move and i thought it was the idea behind it was great whenever we watch any type of like movie based in a real story she wants a fact check she's you know googling it while the movie's going like oh like don't spoil it for me watch the movie then you fill me in the details yeah because she doesn't care she's like oh this is fake that didn't happen it's mostly it's pretty much true he just changed the name of the jonah hill's character he wanted to stay private for some reason yeah but um basically like uh for people who didn't watch it or haven't watched it it talks about how they created essentially a scientific method yeah picking players rather than based on their popularity and where they came from statistics yeah yeah which is crazy because that was in 1997. that's insane so late in the game i thought this was going to be like in the 60s or something like that i'm like no no this is like in the 90s and they were just figuring out like tradition yeah so pretty wild and then uh my girlfriend's like oh like all the modern sports are now like them like well not mma and it's still like mind-boggling and you just was the same and i've i've made this suggestion idea jf before i've made it to another people like why aren't you guys collecting data so we can actually find out what's happening to support versus what we think you know case in point you know when barry bolo was trendy everyone very involved that's all my students wanted to teach i learned right that's all that i was even bombarded with questions that was the theme right and then yeah i think those bjj heroes came up with statistics i i didn't check the facts behind the statistics but i mean i was trusting of their info right and i think their embolos were like four percent of sweeps but no one would shut up about them right and i was like there were more sweeps happening from half guard and closed guard than they were from variable but like that's not the public perception if you watch if you went by by fashion if you went by instagram if you want like what people are talking about you would think that was the whole story so this is the beauty of statistics that's why i like that movie moneyball so much because it exposes what you think is happening versus what is actually happening right and i i think that you know teams will evolve into training their athletes based off of statistics right and i kind of do this already like i don't have like like aesthetics in hand but i have a good idea of what is calm like for example the most common takedowns from my experience are double legs single leg uh a poncho and agi catagorum those are probably the four most common takedowns right those are the ones i work on the most yeah it's not that i don't show the other ones but like they're a smaller piece of the story like the most common path to submission and gi and nogi my guess is passing turtle back renek a choke yeah i think that's the most common pathway right so i always have my guys start in turtle position because i think it's just such a common position to be in right and then when you do that you can really hyper focus your training like right now there's a trend with leg locks like everyone's leg lock leg my question is are leg locks that big the number in the equation i think it's actually smaller than people think but they they're somewhat trendy so they draw a lot of attention so when you know someone catches someone a hill it becomes a whole story when someone catches someone naked choke it's like ah just another rear naked choke but in fact i haven't done this but i believe if you looked at numbers over the last two three adcs and you went what's the most common submission it's still by far the renegade joke yeah we'd have to be able to it would be great like you said that like a major organization that wgf actually had the work of like tabling results i can see how it would be more challenging because they had like eight mats going on or like 16 mats going on so that means they're gonna have to have somebody at each well they have to record everything and someone's going to have to watch every single match later yeah right and take notes which if you're going to pause it and take notes it's probably going to take 40 minutes for each match yeah and the complexity behind it also makes it trickier right because it's easier and like baseball hit bunt you know ball foul you know it's like there's a lot of grey areas like fighting there's like four things and you just we say sweep okay but what type of sweep well is it being bolo it's a hip bone it's not a flower was it an actual sweep yeah yeah no so there's like so many verses like you say it's not gonna be like oh i can just watch it and like go through i think some of them you might watch like what the hell is that that's a new one because they they they're it's not so clean-cut because some sweeps are half carpet they're kind of butterfly open guard and we don't always agree like i've seen people now people come with new names all the time like half butterfly and as i go z guard i was like that's just a [ __ ] knee shield you know or the other one was you know and then like tornado guard everyone calls it tornado was helicopter what happened to helicopter and no no it's not helicopter's tornado so we're not even talking about the same thing like we're talking about the same thing we're just using different names yeah uh what's the other one all the time like they can come up with names of old and just just because they're trying to uh rebrand it but it's difficult for people to to um see these things as as old things because it just doesn't sell that well i guess you know so you gotta come up with a pancake art or some new kind of guard or something there's always something new coming back you know but i guess just the way it is but um yeah it's interesting to see how we what we think is happening is not always what is happening i think mma is probably closer and it actually has a data now at least in the ufc they're doing strike downs from head body leg and they're doing ground striking uh take downs and submissions but it doesn't seem to be a deciding factor as far as hiring people uh it's just tabulated so at some point i wonder if they're gonna actually move off of wwe your marketing to like legitimizing like we're picking the best athletes based on the metrics i don't think they will ma'am i think it's because the priority of the ufc you gotta remember it's a business it's aimed at profit i think good quality fighters is a second concern it sits below making money that's why guys like brock lesnar can debut in the ufc right uh which is a cm punkin debut in the ufc they were allowed that because they know they're just going to sell tickets like in the real world that guy were not famous there's no way he would be making his debut in the ufc but his name carries so much weight they'll allow and i think that they will always prioritize can we sell tickets versus this guy can actually really you know pull this way it reflects also because i wonder how come we don't see that in other professional sports like you know football and baseball but we don't just get like kanye west hey i'm gonna you know play first base on the yankees you know you know a lot of people have watched that right but it doesn't happen and i can see that it wouldn't because the format's different in a sense there's teams and there's team owners and the team owner has to pay for that player right and then his return on investment is that player taking them to the championships right because they're getting more game time getting more press coverage and getting more sponsors or whatever the case is so i think that model is different whereas the ufc in this case contracts all the people there's no teams there's no owners of them or whatnot so all that matters is it's like you said how many eyeballs showed up yeah right like the guy can bomb but who cares he already did what he needed to do we just get people to watch that was the end of it yeah we didn't i don't need to cultivate this guy the talent if he shows that he can't fight but like if i'm in a nba or nfl and i'm gonna pick some guy that's just a instagram celebrity if i buy him he ends up sucking yeah he's i have him for the rest of the season and i'm paying him but like it was a dud it means there's like more of a risk factor you know i mean so i guess i answered that but it seems weird you know like you can that doesn't exist yet or yeah it's they're always going to go where you know ticket sales are i don't think that's ever going to change and it makes a business perspective perspective it does make sense i think the organization that went just by sure quality of the fighters wouldn't do as well as the ufc the truth of the matter is 90 percent of their clientele their business of their of the people who are buying paper if you don't understand fighting if not more more like 95 the average person like you just give an example why do you think connor sells so many tickets because he's that good if you ask the average conor fan like maybe three qualities of conor mcgregor inside a cage as a fighter they couldn't do it they'll buy the pay-per-view yeah you know like but they're not gonna they they wouldn't know where to begin they had no idea what it's like oh because he's a badass like go give me give me tell me something about him that he's good at they couldn't do it and the second you you you have that sort of north you're going to end up with ticket sales and you make a lot of money but i think that and this is always something that concerned me in the ufc is that they would lose credibility other organizations with better fighters would start beginning more credibility within the educated sectors of the fighting community of the fans right people like me and you who have been fighting training forever but i don't know i i i don't know if it's i think ufc kind of they they they have a good balance i feel like they're not completely sold out it's not gone pro wrestling because it's i think at the end of the day there is a balance between them fighting guys that can sell tickets but can still have high level of fighting inside a cage like honor for example he can sell tickets but there's no one denying it he's a good fighter right for example and uh or the oregon other organizations seem to be struggling to have that good balance well i mean i guess we look that i guess was it last weekend anderson silva fighting uriah hall yeah and i was just telling you before uh the podcast that they had a metric and i'm i'm getting this wrong probably but it was sound like from 2013 or 2000 i think it was 2009 to 2015 or something like that it was 14-0 yeah 12 tkos and then the last three years of his career up to now he was like one and seven you know so he was already well in his decline unfortunately that fight didn't go well for him he got tko'd in the third round by uriah hall and then afterwards dan's like oh i should have never booked that fight he's never going to fight for us again but it kind of goes back to what you were saying where it's spectacle right yeah they'll sell tickets yeah you know in another organization they probably wouldn't let that fight fly you know because it's just like we know this guy's already he's overmatched you know and he's past his prime what's the point of this we're endangering this guy you know from a health perspective but uh yeah it is a weird for me like i would like to see this board be more professional in the sense rather than like just by more meritocracy if you will rather yes i i agree i think most fighters both most of the hardcore fans will agree with us but we're the minority and i think one reason why the ufc has been so successful is they understand that me and you are the minority so they're not going to create rules or systems or create policies that you know are things that we would concur with they're going to go or where that's what good business is at the high level it's just nothing sensing which way the wind is blowing and then you change accordingly if a majority of people want this well that's what we're going to do if the majority of people want that and that's sort of their north and i mean i don't like that but like there's a reason why they've been so successful like my you know my my dad doesn't necessarily you know never trained before but if he hears enough about a fight that's well you know pumped if it's if it's sold well enough like he'll buy the pay-per-view to watch even though he'll never never step foot in in a gym and i think the majority of the population is like that if you hype it up enough they're gonna buy well it's interesting this last the last mega paper video was uh met off with uh and uh well he retired after that fight supposedly but you know maybe i think you'll come back yeah uh you never know for sure but their pay-per-view did 675 000 buys which isn't bad but it wasn't great either earlier the biggest pay-per-view of the year was usman masfidol which had 1.3 million yeah and they were both in fight island yeah so it was kind of interesting that the disparity was so big considering that they were saying that khabib was going to be a bigger draw because he got paid i guarantee 10 mil i heard 12 the 12 that's what i heard i don't know how accurate that is but yeah so i mean that's pretty impressive that but it seems like a miscalculation in the sense from the ufc like he didn't draw in as much as i guess they would have hoped he would have drew yeah maybe i mean i think people were more eager to see khabib and ferguson um i think i mean gachi had like a quick rise to the top of you so i don't think he built a solid fan base it was kind of i think it was fairly quick because i had never heard about him next thing you know he's like top five in the ufc yeah yeah i know he's his ufc start wasn't great but then he skyrocketed so that's i think that might be might have something to do with that i think a lot of people might have felt that elk was going to kill this guy because in people's mind like you know ferguson was a bigger challenge or something like khan was a bigger challenge was good they may be people that once again the vast majority of people understand fighting would have felt that okay this is going to be a much easier fight for could be uh i would like to see numbers on the the dustin pourier fight with uh could be what was that like in terms of sales i wouldn't know but yeah that would be interesting just to compare to see if he's actually because it might be that it's one of those things if a guy's so dominant and everyone feels he's already going to win then it's like nobody cares no one cares to watch which is terrible when you think about it because like the better you get the less you sell like how does that work honestly for me that was kind of the deal i didn't get into that i was like yeah i didn't see making it like i'm like he's gonna get taken down and beat down and what went down and the funny thing about like khabib striking it's not great but it's good enough to keep everyone scared you know yeah he has power so yeah yeah he's got he hits hard yeah so you have to respect it but he's not like the most artistic anderson silva he's no like what's is that the other name of the always forget his name like he's just such an articulate striker khabib is a very one-dimensional one too like he's not very super articulate with his striking but he's good enough to keep everyone's [ __ ] does he's gonna shoot is he gonna shoot is he cause everyone's really worried about the shot of course and then that's when the right hand hits you like something else he throws right and then there comes a shot it's such a he's such a perfect combination of of um a good wrestler with good grappling and his striking just being just the right amount to get where he really wants to be which is on that fence yeah and he's a no doubt tough guy apparently he had a broken foot at her then he had the mumps which apparently i don't know much about from what i heard it's kind of like a normally you're vaccinated from that western country but obviously he's in dagestan they probably don't give vaccines i wouldn't know you wrestle with bears apparently it's supposed to be really bad uh like general itching and whatnot and like i guess it can make men sterile yes i i've i've cause i had mumps when i was when i was a kid um and you know they told me just lay down the whole time because it can go down like i don't i can move i can i don't know the details but uh yes i heard he could make you sterile yeah but that's it for like if you really had that during the fight that's impressive yeah how do you prepare if you have something like that because when i told my girlfriend she's like he would have been so uncomfortable for the whole two weeks and now mentally i think he's got to be one of the strongest guys out there that's why i wonder if i admire him so much he's like i actually he he always liked him but he went up my my uh on my rankings a lot probably my favorite fighter of all time at this point him in gsp because i remember like with the conor fight like he kept his school the whole time and conor insulted his religion his family like over there they take that [ __ ] seriously man like here you say you talk you talk [ __ ] about someone's religion and mom and dad and like yeah they kind of get kind of mad over there like i'll kill you yeah you know they get very and he handled man he was cool the whole time like you he tried to get into his head the way conor got into jose aldo's head and he was just stoic the whole time he just focused on the mission and you can see he was bottling it up because when the fight ended that's when he got angry and that's why i admire him because you can see that what conor was doing was working yeah it was working it's just that he kept his school the whole time it's like you have to be incredibly mentally tough not to let that emotion come out at the wrong time and that's what he did the emotion did come out at the right time after the fight where he at that point didn't care what was going on like i beat you now i'll lose my mind you know which is very and i mean you can see that he was holding on to it was this bottle he's very uh vocal about his religion like he just had after the fight he got into this thing against macron yeah i saw it yeah but i guess they had some scandal of some sort because uh i guess some teacher was showing a comic depicting muhammad yeah and they don't play with that yeah it's funny like southport south park season one they have uh they have a uh muhammad is in there they just never got in trouble for some reason because i mean when was his first season of south park 90 something 1989 i wouldn't know but i've seen it i actually have that episode somewhere on my laptop's like man they never got in trouble but like people have but now it's such like a politically loaded issue i might i don't want to get into that but i i believe in freedom of expression ultimately but at the same time like why do you really want to piss people off that badly like what are you gaining is there a purpose to this this freedom of you know expression should be something that serves a purpose that is yeah yeah but like if you're just doing it to piss people off it's like okay you pissed them off all right but what's been accomplished you know well it's interesting it's a difficult it's a complicated one because people worry about the slippery slope thing quite a bit right like yes i believe i was just reading something i could be wrong or i've read some or heard something rather the aclu was actually founded by well one of the things that helped start it was the fact that i guess neo-nazis wanted to protest the protest and it was jewish lawyers that were defending their right to protest yeah and they had recognized that hey if we don't let these people protest then one day it's going to be ours it's going to be ours yeah no it's you have to fight for the right of people you disagree with to protest but i i agree with you at the same time is like okay there should be a point to it like i can i say oh if you you know if your mom whatever like that sure but like why why why do we really need to that's that one if people wanted to insult the homosexual with the f word or a black person with the n word like i i think they should be free to do it i just don't see the purpose like why would you want to do that i mean what's being accomplished like that's the end of the day like freedom speech is such a beautiful concept it's fairly new too throughout most of our history you get [ __ ] you know mess with the wrong person you get killed it's simple it's pretty you know we've evolved a lot that's it's never been so good in that regard i feel like you can actually insult your president and not go to prison but you know we should use that power to to for the better for the good you know for the common good not for oh i'm just going to be a rebel without a cause here and insult people just because like what it seems almost like a childish use of freedom of speech yeah it's just very immature i think what you said was great childish right because what do children do they test boundaries yeah they see how far can i go yeah you know and when that hand doesn't get slapped they don't stop there they're going to keep going and they'll keep going until they learn where the limit is you know so yeah i don't know i i wouldn't do honestly i believe people should have the freedom to do it obviously but i wouldn't do it because i don't see the point i don't see the point of drawing muhammad i don't see the point of insulting someone just because i mean what's behind again there's nothing good is being accomplished you know so let's use that incredible freedom for for good use yeah yeah i i i see like shouldn't i mean we're going to apply that center they shouldn't be insulting anybody's religious icon you know what i mean i wouldn't i wouldn't i mean i i don't i'm not a religious person but like i can't remember ever insulting anyone's or like i don't see the i personally i wouldn't either it doesn't make sense to me i i mean either everybody's right or everybody's wrong it meant you know what hey it makes you happy i want you to be happy if that's how your world view is and as long as you're not interfering with my freedoms and my way of life and that's where i draw the line it's like as long as you get this state's secular and you don't impose your beliefs on me i don't care what you believe and in fact i support your beliefs go go for it whatever they may be as long as once they get interviewed with my freedoms you're not hurting children you're not hurting animals you're not doing anything then i support your freedom to believe in whatever you choose to believe right yeah i think that's ultimately what the american dream is i agree about that and that's it's a good dream it's it's a very valid very it's a very good standard to uphold uh dave that's a lot of policies that we barely talked to talked about martial arts but like the election is is up in the air and uh we sprinkled in some yeah yeah but it's hard not to because that's what on everyone's mind right now but anyway guys uh whatever happens i think elections the results will be coming out like the next day or two hopefully um no violence no violence i think you love the second you turn to violence you lost you're on you're in the wrong that's the way i see it like you want to debate let's debate all day the second you throw a rock the second you pull out a gun you're in the wrong yeah yeah i agree all right guys uh this was fun dave thank you we'll do this again next week and uh yeah i'll see you guys then take care ciao you