BTG 47 - Struggling

[Music] hey guys what's going on i'm david avon here with my co-host robert drysdale for another edition of breaking the guard it's been a while but once again we have these longer hiatus i know man you know it's funny someone messaged me hey man when are you and dave going to put out another episode it's been since like whatever december early december like over a month ago i'm like oh [ __ ] someone's noticing uh which is flattering i'm glad you guys enjoy the i mean originally i think we started once a week and then life got crazy after covert really then it kind of slowed down it did and you've been i know i wasn't traveling then you're traveling yeah you were just in brazil right or yes i just got back was there for christmas and new year's nice it was a nice but i hadn't been there since we filmed the documentary so it was three years ago and uh it was a nice break man i see some friends you know kind of like it's funny like time goes by but the people who are you know you're you know you're the the heart friends like the real friends the same same thing man like nothing's changed all this time goes by i got caught up with some people i hadn't seen in over 20 years oh wow yeah like childhood friends man like they were you know it was amazing it was such a good trip it was kind of like you know i've been you're in work mode and sometimes you forget about other things like you forget about who your friends really are because you're some work mode right and it's nice to remember that you still have you know have such a large circle of friends around me so the trip was good for that i feel very very fortunate to be surrounded by amazing people my whole life man nice yeah and i think i was in florida for a couple weeks like eight days did some more training camps the nra yeah rifle shotgun chief ring safety officer so that training what are you doing are you training to train people or just getting certified both yeah so i have those certifications i can now teach courses under them so yeah just set up a new business here for firearms instructing so yeah oh nice you're doing that yep yeah [ __ ] man that's gonna be fun i've done some training i think i don't know if i told you this before like when i first moved to vegas there was this guy who was former special forces and he was trying to put a tv show together where he was going to get professional fighters to compete in like war games against like navy seals and his job was to train us because he believed we had the athletic ability and the mindset we just slacked what the technique we had no skills right so the idea was we had like a it was like a four-week cry that was a tv show four weeks to train us so we can compete against navy seals of course we're gonna get destroyed but i was like [ __ ] man's tv show like i've i've never held at that point i never held a gun in my life so we got trained with the glock and the ar-15 and it was like lots of training but they never actually got on with the show which i thought it was a cool idea yeah but it was like me frank mayor forrest martin canton was there a few of us oh man very top tier yeah at the time i think i had just i had one professional fight but i was around those guys all the time so they got me in there so i'm like [ __ ] i'll do it so we got to fire tons of rounds in the desert that was like my first experience with a gun and had tons of fun but the yeah tv show never took off oh that sucks yeah it's fun shooting man like i have fun with you know who loves it is marcelo he goes every weekend i went with him and ken ken is really into it as well yeah yeah it's a blast unintended i have fun with it like i think that uh i know people that do it competitively i think it's i mean i i i could see the skill it's a lot harder than it seems you think it's not like a video game man it's there's a lot to it like the distance and controlling the breathing and especially when depending on if you're doing moving targets like uh when you're doing shotgun you do like qualifications with uh the clay pigeons you know they call trap shirt yeah so you have essentially what they call a trap house in the middle and they're people are standing like in a semi circle that almost like a cone and then you those fire the clays and it's funny because the guy who was teaching us was saying look you know i'm he's actually like he's a state champion in florida for sharp shooting but he's sucked at the trap house because he was always trying to aim exactly where it was but the problem is it's not going to hit there because it's moving by the time you pull the trigger so what's interesting with those uh clay shirting or trap shooting you have to lead the target and it's more instinctual because you essentially you have to get the shot within a second after the second it starts getting too far away from you and then you have to be ahead of the shot because it's gonna move yeah but like what's interesting about that it's more instinctual than anything like you just boom and you shoot like the the shots actually the clays that surprise you seem to be easier to shoot if you're allowing your instincts to kick in it's kind of like you just so if you overthink something yes clumsy yes you know so you could see that there were some people struggling because they were thinking too much they were trying to like yeah you can't you don't have time it's literally like a second probably a little bit less of a second before you can get the good shot off you know so it's just like you know you know it's funny like i i you know i've taught beginners my whole life but i just got back to teaching beginners like maybe a year ago i had moved away from it for a long time and i remember like how hard it is to teach someone to pummel just pummeling if you've never pummeled before try to explain pummeling to someone they're like it's so confusing to them so i i actually then i remember this is the easiest method because that's how i like to learn stuff myself is i don't i don't read rule sets i don't want to be like if i get a board game i'd rather just kind of get into the game and start playing and then learn the rules as i go then spend like an hour reading the rules because you're not going to remember them anyway so humbly i said the same way you know what i'm just going to have these two white belts and i tell them all right there's a game here what you got to try to do is get both your arms underneath their armpits and you got to try to do the same okay okay ready set go boom right away bro pummeling so it's like the body is smarter than we give it credit for like if you actually get competitive you figure it out but the second people start overthinking wait right over left over the arm under the arm it's too much information sometimes the best way to teach people is let the body do its thing and you correct them as you go right but i i'm with you man i think that overthinking is is a big this is why i have a theory in jiu-jitsu may you may or may not agree with me people that are very like very very ocd very anal about stuff have a harder time like grasping new techniques because when they're training they want everything to be absolutely perfect like the perfect like they wanted to be exactly how they learned it right yeah and we all know that in a fight you kind of work with what you got things are rarely perfect very rarely you're gonna have that perfect position with the perfect grip exactly how you practiced it you should aim for that but sometimes you don't get that what do you do just work with what you got improvise it keep going because i i noticed that people that have that mindset they spend a lot of time thinking about what do i do what do i do what about this but the position is not right what do i do and they're trying to remember moves and while you're doing that everything's just being slowed down you're better off just just move forward and kind of figure it out as you go yeah absolutely but i always say you know thinking is the bastion of somebody who's unprepared right yeah if you're prepared you never have to think you just go you just go and like like you say especially when you're trying to think and if i'm in a fight and i have to think of i know i goofed and i can remember situations where i got stuck one of them was with galvao it was the last like 20 seconds of the match he shot a double i locked down the kimura trap flipped him i had his back temporarily then he rolled over and then i ended up in the lockdown but he had like a really good grip and i couldn't break it and i was fixated on just doing one thing which is trying to rip out the kimura i forgot about doing the armbar or sweeping him but i just kept thinking how do i break his grip to open up this arm yeah through the kimura and emerald was like 20 seconds just stuck into that one thing you know like if i could just like switch gears you know yeah allow myself to open my mind a little bit but you can get jammed that way you know anytime you like you said you think you're in trouble that's what that's what the coach is there for right like your coach is the guy thinking he's the one the outside that has the luxury of time like hey i can he's trying to do something he's stuck what can i tell him that's the ideal relationship but it's and i we we discussed this before but the dynamic when you're a business owner changes because now it's a client you don't get to yell you talk [ __ ] to your students you lose a student collegiate wrestling coach just does whatever the hell he's going to do if you're an olympic coach even a professional team you have a lot more authority so as a result you get to tell people what to do like what the [ __ ] you got to trust me if i tell you to jump you say how high because you're right because what your coach should be doing in a fight is not watching you it's watching your opponent you're looking so if i i i want to use so well trained if i'm coaching you i want you so well trained so well prepared that i don't have to tell you what to do because we spent the last three months talking about it yeah and i know you're going to do it so i don't have to look at you i don't have to remind you put your [ __ ] hands up i want to look at your opponent what is your opponent doing i want to focus on him instead and then i can tell you okay this is where the openings are right you know i don't have to keep reminding you like hey more footwork move that head you know watch the timing for this shot do this because if you're doing that you're you know it's it's you're you're you put a lot of energy into something that you could have discussed could have planned could have figured that out during camp and i think a lot of people miss that they think camp is just about getting in shape camp is preparing for where the fight's gonna take place because once i know your skills and i know mine we know where no man's land is once we have that no man's land we know exactly how to prepare you right really well the whole thing is as a coach and this is why people like oh i don't have a game plan just walk in there well then you're making your coach's die with nightmare that's insane when i hear that i'm like you better be really [ __ ] good because if you're going to walk in there without a plan i mean you better be three four levels above your opponents and not even that just what you mentioned from the coach's perspective now i have to watch you because i don't know what you're going to do yeah but like you said if the athlete trusts the coach and like okay we developed this game but i'm going to follow it you say i don't have to watch him i know what he's doing yeah i mean or what he should be doing yeah you know now like he said i just watched the other guy and we had an idea of what he could do yeah there's always going to be some variations exactly that's the tweaks that we make that's the code the coach's job is to find where are the variations like where are what is it that we miss during camp yeah what is he doing different because i'm sure he's got some tricks up his sleeve so when this guy comes back what is it is it the head movement the footwork that's changed maybe he changes stances he's throwing more side kicks and then we have to make those changes during what the round because the athlete should not be paying attention to that you should just be like listening to new instruction in the corner or you know like or throughout the fight or during or you know between rounds and then he goes back there with a whole new mindset not questioning for a second which what the coach says i i say this to my students sometimes like the more competition oriented ones if for a second here some of you guys don't trust me anymore you got to find a new coach yeah 100 for your own sake if you don't trust me if you don't think i know what i'm talking about you got to go somewhere else because the second that trust is lost as a competitor if you're practitioner it doesn't it's just different because you're not looking at and you know from perspective of winning trying to have fun but if you're a competitor of professional fighter i mean you have to trust your coach with your life yeah that's what it is yeah because you you know the worst case scenario you could die in there yeah you're giving him advice wrong advice by the way walk into that left hook okay he's not gonna knock you out don't worry about it you're good yeah he's the wrong advice yeah the way you say you can literally die in this thing you know so yeah i agree with you yeah if you don't have that like i've let fighters go for that reason they start saying i want to do this i'm going to do that i'm like well it's not working anymore because the moment that you feel you know better than me or in the other words like i don't know what i'm talking about the trust is out it's over you know we gotta move on to that point you know what i i was starting to get an mma team off the ground marcel is kind of picking it back up again but it i i got frustrated because vegas has a very distinct culture when it comes to training very transient it's very transient there's it's like that oh it's like [ __ ] collegiate wrestling and you want us you know train with whatever we want like i kind of get it there's nothing on the line right you're talking about professional fighting here where there are millions on the line there's a career on the line you're gonna be training with your opponents you're training with people who train with your opponents you're letting anyone walk in the gym that to me is not a team that's strange to me like i go to five different gyms to get my workout i'm like that's weird to me i've been i've been in fights where my coaches didn't meet until the day of the fight they never even spoke to each other so to me like that's kind of how vegas is it's a very strange place because there's no team i try to change that but it's an uphill battle because it's so ingrained the culture that you look at you like you're trying to be a dictator like oh i'm trying to help you i'm trying to give you structure because if you look at the people are true champions if you look what's behind them look behind khabib look behind condor look behind the guys at the very very top of the sport they have a network of a team that supports them and it's not like not everyone is allowed in that circle man try to go to eagles mma in dagestan see if you can just walk in and practice guarantee they're not gonna let you just walk in and watch him train no way that's the way it should be you know in professional sports it's like that the eagles don't get to watch you know this uh you know the raiders practice or whatever you know you don't get that luxury man like you can you know you can't walk in if you're if you're not from the camp you're not welcome here it's simple it's very political but at the same time like it's that's professional it has to be that way you know i and i know in judicial circle people like oh you're you know you're so preoccupied with the politics but no like you said there's people's likelihoods on the line like i said once again people could die from this right so i've had this happen because our school is very strict on that you know like if you're if you're a casual you know then do whatever you want right but if you're a competitor and particularly a professional competitor and you're gonna be training at the other gym and then they see what you're doing and you're gonna inevitably teach something to somebody or show oh you did this to me what do you do that guy then fights one of our guys beats him with that yeah knocks them out with it or you know it could be bad stuff you know so it makes no sense to do that you know so yeah it's some people feel like they have to train with everybody so they can see all these different possible experiences that's not true that's not true it's a myth it's i from my experience you do if you have like sometimes like three or four solid partners that's more than enough man plenty if i some of my best years were training it was just like me marcel and like two other guys in my hometown in brazil or sometimes i was trying to some sao paulo by myself it was just me and damien for months and we were going to war but like i i felt that those moments were the ones like my game to the next level because if i find myself having a problem let's say i can't pass so-and-so's half guard you're gonna be in that half card every day for you know if you're gonna do five six rounds with the same person you're spending 40 minutes in the same position guess what happens eventually you have to figure it out because you're going to be there all the time yeah so your defense and your office in that position go like this skyrocket now oh it's boring i want to have training because i want to test myself against a bunch of people like you can but that's a curiosity and a lot of times these cross trainings like i'll be honest with you has nothing to do with training it's socializing they want to hang out they want to like they imagine you know to pecking order they want to find out who everyone sits and it's a lot of pictures for instagram they're not serious about training because if you watch the people who are serious about training they they're in the gym twice a day they don't have to go anywhere else they're already training twice a day you know no i mean i was on the same boat for most of my competitive careers being my brother yeah we started our own gym and then every so often people you know we would fly people in yeah and that's the thing if you need a new look particularly let's say you're fighting a southpaw you're fighting something's really tall and you don't have someone in the gym coach yes bring them in yeah we've done that for you know all of our guys and for myself i know for jason we'll fly people in have them spend a couple weeks because all you need is just some experience getting acquainted with how it's like to fight something like that i mean and then you pick it up and if you need more compete yeah no hundreds more looks to me just go to naga go ready but people have this thing where like if i'm surrounded by a bunch of champions i'm gonna be like one and that is true if they're all on the same team and care about you i believe that the higher the quality of the room the better yeah but if these people don't give a [ __ ] about you and they're not really helping not only teaching you and then they hurt you in practice because they don't have any affiliation to you then i mean is that really helping you create these toxic environments and then you get the clicks you know you go to some gyms you get the hawaiians and then you get the brazilians and you get the mexicans and you get you get all these clicks and i'm going dude like i don't want to be in an environment like that i hate those kind of environments because i feel like it's not they're not helping me grow like they're in the way of my growth because i want to be in a place where everyone likes me everyone wants me to do well and when i fight everyone's at the edge of their seat like cheering for me not going to a place where half the people in there are so jealous of you they see you as enemy they see as a competition they want you to lose do you really want to be in a place like that so nurturing a team environment is incredibly healthy i think it's good for the athlete because there's a huge factor in fighting that no one likes to talk about because everyone's supposed to be a tough guy but it's the emotional side it's super important fighters are there we're humans man we're not robots you want to have a support network of people who love you and care about you and that does something to your confidence like i've experienced both i've had that and not had that and i feel different like having the people like just your teammates your coach you're like man you're going to do this you don't know that you know that when you fight everyone's at home watching that gives you a lot of strength man yeah you know what i'm saying like what if you know that you're in camp and half the people in the gym want you to lose and you know deep down that they're don't give a [ __ ] about you like you know they'd be happy if you lost i mean you what kind of energy do you have when you walk through the door yeah you know it's a it's a major trial to get on the mats or get in the cage and yeah if you're going solo or you yes yeah it's the man the last competition i did was ibf worlds i went by myself it's horrible it's terrible it went horrible it's terrible and yeah it was simple stuff i was totally unfocused you know why because i got on the mats and then they're like oh you're wearing the wrong shorts because ipgf you have to have this yeah i'm like crap you're gonna get this qualified oh you have to go get the sport so i had to run get my wallet and then buy some shorts and then put them on and run back on the mats and i was more concerned about getting dequeued and then when i got on the mat i remember i was kept getting stuck in like 5050s and the guy was straight interlocking me and i was like the whole time i'm like i should be more concerned about this yeah but i'm mad you know yeah because it's so distracted and yeah having a coach is somebody that slaps you in your face hey you know they take care of that bs you know especially if you have someone you trust you want to make them proud you know like it doesn't have to be i mean a coach is probably that father figure but it could be your kids too it could be your wife it could be i've seen fighters like take their wives and like i wouldn't because he's probably not gonna give me much good advice but for some people it works man maybe it's like the emotional support this person is i've been in many dark places in my life and this person was there for me and they brought me back together right yeah and then you want that kind of person in your corner i'm like you know what like frank miller would always bring his dad his dad was just watching the camp he never opened his mouth he was just there but it's his dad man yeah so he would bring him along and i'm like that makes perfect sense to me i think he just wants like his dad he wants the last person he hugs before he goes into a cage is his dad and his dad tells him maybe i love your son you're gonna do great and to that right there might be that might be what's missing for a lot of people is just knowing that you have that sort of uh um you know love and support from from people you know that matter i think a lot of fighters are too proud to admit that and they end up surrounding themselves with people who don't have their best interests at heart and that harms their career more than they're willing to admit yeah for sure i mean just take a look it could be 100 percent got to wait for the name you say that when he goes to your cpi he closes that there's a cage area there he close shuts it off like yeah they they block it and you can't watch so you can be around but if the mats are just theirs no one can watch it's him getting ready for his fight with his teammates no one around oh well that's true as well but i was saying just with the father you know although his father was his coach yeah also just losing the dad made him not want to fight yes yes that's your support yeah you're right you know because ultimately the end of the day like you're saying when you're fighting you're out to prove something yeah that's what competition is about it's about proving now mo whether you're trying to prove it to yourself which ultimately is going to be about but there's also other people like you said like family friends coaches you know and if you lose those people don't have them on your back you have a lot less to prove now yeah that's a good point i think he yeah he was trying to prove i don't i don't know his biography at all i i just i love that guy because you know he says i don't agree with everything but he i think he's an outstanding fighter but i've seen him do stuff that to me is like very manly man like you stand up to when zubair was fired i was gonna get fired he's like you fire him you're gonna have fired me that's badass i mean wrestling the bear when you're a kid that's pretty badass too man so you can see that he's an overall badass man like i really admire the guy um but there might have been i think yeah you're right like he was doing it too like he wanted to make his dad proud i think that that theme was certainly a big part of his um his incentive to fight i imagine he has kids by now so that kind of changes you too like i remember having kids all of a sudden brain health was far more important than a ufc belt if i had to choose healthy for the next 40 years of my life you have seat belt i would rather be healthy yeah whereas when i was 20 like are you kidding me you have seat belt all day you don't care you know like you have seat belt i could die the next day perfectly happy with that yeah you when you have kids you look at things differently you can't die after you went into seatbelt i got kids to take care of so you're you're all of a sudden most important thing in the world is no longer your career it's taking care of other people right or your kids but yeah that's the emotional side is something i've always been fat i've always been like somewhat aware of it because i used to be i should [ __ ] my pants before my fight like it was it was very very difficult i was pushing myself into the cage every single time right um and i think that i i did better it was easier when i felt i had the right people with me it made all the difference yeah no it definitely does and uh that's why i always thought you should never go without a coach it doesn't matter how bad you are or how good you are you should always have someone in your corner even if it's someone through like it's like you said just a mom or dad that doesn't know anything about fighting but you got someone there to look at you know i mean it makes it going bad we another thing we're it's we're all not we're always willing to admit this but you know you're you're human you're flawed you're you're full of we all have emotional issues like there's some i mean i don't think i've ever met a person who didn't have any most some people have less than others but we all have these things that i i noticed that like a lot of my students because i think a lot of them look at me as a father figure right sure yeah so i i play that role i never asked for it but you that's the second you signed up to be a coach or a gym owner you know just a teacher yeah you can call yourself just like someone who teaches jiu jitsu you're immediately signed up for that position yeah and i noticed that sometimes i'll say something to one of them and like their eyes fill up with tears like it means so much to them i'm like [ __ ] man and then it's it's easy to forget but i remember i think what if i were like 15 or 16 and my coach spoke said something like that to me i think that would have been a game changer because i remember things that people told me when i was like 16 17 and it like light bulb moment like it changed because i trusted that person so much like that guy in my head was such a badass that whatever he said was gospel truth it was like i believe you right so like as a coach we have that power i forget i have that power sometimes sometimes it's like okay just go train and shut up you know but sometimes just telling people right before a match something that they need to hear like sometimes yeah it could be something simple like hey man you're going to be fine you train hard you're going to kill it out there sometimes that for people just that's like that extra feel that they needed because walking in there confident and insecure or it's i think it's as important as the technique itself man i've seen tons of people very well prepared but deep down technically and physically right but deep down emotionally they were um i just like i just like they're not there yeah you know i invested not having the emotional uh fortitude to withstand competition you can't be a competitor without it yeah you know it's like having a machine with no soul or like a person with no soul yeah they have everything on paper but there's something quantifiable that's missing i actually i would argue that that perhaps is even more important than everything else i'll tell you why i've seen mediocre people with not that skilled but they had so much fire and so much confidence and they went out there and they that made up for everything else man how are you because when you have that heart and you're like emotionally put together and you got in your head you're going to win you got a good network behind you when it comes down to it and you're really tired you push that extra round like no problem you go that extra minute whereas if you walk in there half defeated the second things get hard you go you know what i don't want to be here anymore i want to fight yeah you know so it's it's um yeah it's a fascinating thing funny because me and dave were talking about right before we started like what we're going to talk about and we're like there's not a lot going on in the fight world is there you're like no fi we spent like a good five minutes talking about figuring out what we're going to talk about and we agree that we're going to talk about uh condition yeah strength and condition if we're fighting we always go on tangents end up talking about completely i mean not completely unrelated but that's an important topic yeah it is it is because i you don't see i mean think about how many instructionals are out there for technique yeah and now try to make not an instruction or write a book about the emotional aspect of fighting and people will laugh at you like what no one's going to read it well we have one that's the one my brother actually made it's called black belt psychology okay and uh so read it don't you know guys i'm serious because this is a huge part of the equation and like most people completely they like technique technique technique you know yeah and it's pretty much every fighter on our team has to read the book and go through it what's it called again black belt psychology is it on amazon uh no no you wrap it on their website uh okay you go ffa trying to plug your hair bro give the website dave yeah you go to my blog david avalon you'll you'll see it there okay but um it goes over the five process that me and my brother have used for all of our fights and all of our competitors and it talks about these things but what we were talking about specifically was the will to live pretty much right yeah will to win and that is more important than everything else as you said because you could be outmatched in both technique and strength but if you are not going to lay down for anybody then that guy has to be able to put your way and at a certain point you know people have what they call finisher's anxiety right when you get close to finishing somebody and then like they don't go down you start like how what the hell is going on that breaks you when they realize that they're not breaking yeah like you're not breaking and i just put everything i had into that yeah oh am i in trouble now i mean like that happens to people all the time oh yeah especially if they're doing something very tough like a triangle choke and they scream yes and they put everything into it and then the guy gets out and laughs at him and punches you in the face yeah like oh crap i just pissed him off you know i didn't even make this guy hurt but this is why body language is so important yeah because if you give that away if i see you frustrated i know i won yeah like and you can tell when someone's frustrated man it's hard to hide it because your you know body language is something it's your mind speaking through your arms for your facial expressions so it's like a skill to keep that poker face on no matter what how you feel how tired you are how frustrated you may be can't show it because it boosts it does something your your opponent's you know um will like it does something with confidence i i've felt it like you have to sign someone in side control yeah and then you can just go as soon as you pass it go just go like that you're like yes gotcha you know yeah it's like settling the position right yeah the guy's freaking out like always tell me when you pass the guard just hold it because once they stop moving around they've allowed the position to settle yeah they have conceded yeah and one of the things is like when we first grapple each other and on top of you're like this guy can't pass my guard yeah and you have a concept in your mind that is written in stone can't pass guard and if i'm able to sit past your guard now i've broken that and now that shakes your your confidence now you're like what else am i wrong about now yes i get the mouth it's like well i guess i was wrong about that too it's just like a domino i find like if i get past a guy's guard once i get past it twice three four or five times you know like it's i've already shattered that barrier yeah you know so that's part of like that well like i know i've grappled some guys that they just will not let you pass a guard no matter what like it's the honor yeah it's like an honor thing like it's like slapping their mother if you're able to pass their god and they fight it yeah tooth and nail and you need to be about that for everything so i remember in wrestling you'd have guys like you said you would break them like my brother and i we trained we're not very technical we're not really strong at the time you know where it just had a lot of stamina and a lot of will win so it was always about breaking people so we're just trying to cardio people out yeah and just push a really hard pace and like he said like the moment you hear that guy and breathing hard and you're relaxed like okay the end's coming now yeah now i'm going to start breaking your boat there's you'll run into guys that they don't break either and then it's like okay now it's about hurting people now right now we're just going to see who's who's tougher than the other one there was a i noticed that like people have that there's like an exterior a shell of confidence right because they've never it's like the bully who's never been beat up yeah and then they come to jiu-jitsu and they get beat up man that guy's not gonna rise above or he's never gonna come back and they normally don't come back because it's too like what i'm not invincible i'm not that strong confidence can be very fragile too man if you're used to winning this is why we're losing is so important everyone's like you don't want to be a loser i think losing is super important it's the two sides of the same coin that's how i refer to it now like you need both because losing makes you tough the problem is when you lose and quit yeah i mean this argument the other day on that um i did a tedx the other day i don't know if you yeah yeah like there's some overlapping with what we're talking about but uh you know it's not like we're talking about like anxiety and depression i don't think that losing causes depression i'm a critic of the culture of the participation medal giving someone a medal for losing because the child is going to be sad and crying like so frustrated anxiety crying upset yeah that's life it's called life you're going to deal with it sooner or later you got to give it to children in small doses yeah so when they reach adulthood they're not sheltered and then they get a big dose of it and they can't handle it that's what leads to depression losing is not gonna cause that losing is gonna make you tough right and you have to it's almost like your immune system you train your immune system with some germs or you don't overwhelm a newborn you don't let it play in the garbage right but if it puts something in its mouth it's because it's necessary it's training its immune system right these things are important you gotta balance it out i i think this whole thing people have about like not losing they're too scared of failing like it's so detrimental to them yeah like you got to throw yourself out there so what and someone who's overconfidence perhaps because they were sheltered their whole life right you're like i'm good i never lose i'm awesome i got every tournament i went i got a medal right so they have that and that's what they're confronted with the real challenge they break yeah you know it's funny because my brother and i had opposite experiences when we started competing i think we talked about before but my brother he lost we've talked about everything on this podcast before me and david solve the world's problems many times over well we'll recap my brother lost his first 11 wrestling matches in a row and i won my first 11 in a row but he started off as a varsity i started off as jv so obviously the level competition was very different but it made him very tough because he had to deal with so much loss very early yeah and to a certain point he looked like he got out there and the goal was just to make that guy hurt yeah like he's like oh i might lose but the guy's gonna remember me and he had this big old head so he'd like headbutt people and people were leaving with broken noses and bloody mouth and stuff like that so that became a part of his thing you know and uh that's just one way i see like if even i know i'm gonna lose against somebody that's my attitude like you're gonna remember this you're not the 300 theme right like that's the lesson like that that story is not as i mean it's a movie obviously it's very inaccurate but like there's something about the theme of you know putting that last fight before you going oh [ __ ] i just watched something a friend of mine recommended uh the gray they're great okay have you seen it great i thought i was like all right i think i was gonna like it dude powerful if you haven't seen it watch it's called the gray with uh liam neeson okay and there's a there's a theme in there there's something that one of the the characters mentions it's called the swan song so there's an ancient i had to google i didn't know this there's an ancient uh part of greek mythology where uh a swan right before it died it sung its most beautiful song it knew it was gonna die so it's on the most beautiful song i'd ever sung his whole life and then it kabut right done and but the movie that's the theme of the movie yeah and if you're going to go down may it be with you know 300 thermopylae battle you know you're gonna go out put put up that most beautiful fight you've ever put up there's a beautiful poem in that film what's it say once more into the fray to the last the best fight we have ever fought live and die another day live and die another day something like that can't remember the quote the poem verbatim but that was the thing but there's something about that like if you know even if you know you're gonna lose bring it you know i think that right there is in some circumstances might be more noble there might be more merit there than the person who won because sometimes you're completely outnumbered or 300 thermopylae battle case in point there's no chance they're going to win but [ __ ] what a fight that was right so what is that who's the real winner yeah you know there's there's a lot of merit even in losing there can be a lot of merit so long as it's it's challenging you know like it's especially if there's something unequal about it like if you're outmatched right if you're going against someone who's technically superior so for example you're going against a guy in the gym it was like four levels above you but you still put up a hell of a fight and i see this every now and then i'll be rolling with the blue bell purple bell and dave they're they're hunting for my neck yeah and ashley's like there's a part of me that goes you little disrespectful little [ __ ] but that's a smaller part the bigger part of me goes admires him it's like this guy wants a piece of me man and i get where he's coming from it's not out of ego he's not trying to be arrogant it's just that he wants you know he wants to you he does he doesn't want to be easy prey yeah and my brother used he actually writes this in the book causes the crystal ball so he says he'll go to he asks his you know athletes let's say i have a crystal ball and he'll be able to read the future yeah and you're about to compete tomorrow and then look in this crystal ball i go robert i have bad news for you you're losing your first match right now this question are you still going to compete yes you have to yeah the correct answer is you should yes the real answer may be like [ __ ] this i'm going to save my money exactly 300 oh man i don't know but yeah so that's the point right like so if you're still gonna fight you're not fighting to win anymore right yeah you're you're fighting because for fight's sake yeah and that's the whole point we're going there to prove something and proving a lot of us think or from the outside it's about winning no no you want to see what you're made of yeah right and if if i was going to lose i told you i'm going to lose i want to know how i lost right like how is that even yes right yes in my mind i'm on the people i want to see this guy who could actually beat that and how he's going to do it because like you said that's only going to get better yes if i never compete then i never knew the weakness that i had that's uh that's a very powerful theme man like but we're well i mean the thing is we're obsessed with this theme that we call success success winning winning and then like what do you even mean by success because i i mean i want the success but i want the iron price yeah i had this conversation the other day and i was like i wasn't born rich but i'm kind of happy that i wasn't and i mean this sincerely like i'm i don't i'm not rich but like i make more than i need like i live a good life like i i will you know i plan on leaving something for my trip but i'm proud of that that i had to build my way up and my most people like i wish i were born rich i wish i was handed to me i don't think there's any there's not there's no merit there like where do you grow how do you learn these important lessons when you have everything handed to you like if you're a phenomenal athlete in some ways it's to your detriment because you know when you're that talented things come easier for you i really believe that like i think i take more the merit of the grind as the that's the true victory i i value that more than the metal itself i didn't think that way 20 years ago but like i i look at it this way now like there are more important things that you're going to learn along the way that are very significant for your personal growth yeah they're and like you said there's i would just say i'm not sure like the moral value of somebody who is a millionaire that was born to billionaire parents versus somebody who was growing up and then you came out of the enemy right he's obviously had to learn more and be able to push himself more you know so like if you start higher than the bar technically for you should be even higher like if you were born a millionaire now the goal is to be a billionaire now right like you got to make bigger moves otherwise you wasted because the whole thing is like if you whatever you hand down to your children ideally they're able to multiply it right they should be better than you you know they should be able to move beyond you and if you didn't prepare them for that then you failed to fail as a parent yeah yeah i uh uh you know nietzsche really admired bonaparte napoleon because you know he saw him as a truly great man and he's not talking about what he did and i i see what he's saying i agree with him i don't have to admire what you actually did but the ambition man holy [ __ ] and that i mean the merit that he went from foot soldier to emperor of europe now let that sink in talk about merit how do you go from foot soldier to emperor of europe in a lifetime yeah that's i mean most people i mean i think about it it's truly impressive i i just think about this like carlos gracie like i had i don't admire his i don't between me you know i don't think he was a good person i think he's he's the beginning of brazilian jiu jitsu there's no doubt it's not my aid it's carlos gracie there's no way around it carlos beginning year one or year zero carlos gracie all right split from judo starts with him i don't admire his life so i mean get into his personal life he gets uglier and uglier but man the ambition pretty bold when you think about it pretty bold you know like you start admiring these things and i i think these i think that that this that this crafting is ultimately you know a bigger prize than you know the medal the win or the money because you know when you think about it and this again it's overlapping with my talk but it's still fresh in my mind you know you don't take them the metal when you're going to win a medal how long does that last that high two or three days you feel like you're superman and then what it's gone it's fleeing it's gone but when you when you grow and you transform yourself and you learn a hard lesson right you become better because of that that's forever right so what's the real win what's the real treasure right um there's um i think it was in that uh orson welles film mr arkhaden there's an opening quote and it goes like this poet meets a king the king invites a poet to his court and the king acts asks of this out of all treasures i have you choose anything pick anything i have oh it's yours and the poet goes give me anything accept your secret to accept the secrets of success is always like so like i want the grind like you need i don't i don't even care what you're gonna give you what i really want is the lesson of the journey right that's the i think that's what the poet meant by that like that's what i value the most i think a lot of people miss out on that their focus on the what's right now the house the money the fame the medal it's like dude there's a lot of merit that goes around to getting that that you're missing out on yeah they're just looking at the symbol yeah i have met like most of my medals got thrown away by accident apparently or someone stole them i had a my brother we had them all the gym and this just shows you how much how little we cared about our medals they must have been like 100 or something medals they were all in a garbage bag yeah and i think he was just putting them because he was moving around and i think somebody threw him out because he's on the garbage and there weren't all the middles i had like two medals now my adc runs and then i have one grappler's quest thing and they're in a box somewhere out of nowhere right like that but people like oh it was a gold medal over here like i would hang it and you're not going to look at it every day no you're not you're going to it's going to be on the wall more time goes by the less they mean like i was just in brazil now and i like all of a sudden i remembered like where are my medals i don't know and i'm sort of there's a chat group with my old students i'm like rob you've never cared about this for 15 years what is this now that you care i'm like i want to find my medals and i it's so and so basically two weeks later of finger pointing because no one knew where the metals were they finally found it was where that at someone's ex-girlfriend's house or something like there's a box full of my medals there and i got them there's a ton of metals missing like maybe half of them are there but whatever so i was going to bring them back to the u.s i'm like that's going to take a lot of stuff in my suitcase like you know what there's a lot of room no i just left there at my best friend's house in brazil it's there but it was nice to see them but like it brought back memories but that's see it was the memory that i valued yeah when i saw the medal it was like oh i remember this term i forgot about it this is i fought so and so this day we had to this happened on the trip and on the way back we did this this and that and that was what i was valuing the most exactly it's a it's a symbol it's a representation of the memory but if i give that to you it means nothing yeah it's just a shiny yeah i mean that you didn't have a story associated with it like someone gets a black belt too easy same thing why do you want something you're not gonna value bro you want it to be hard like that's what's gonna that's what you're gonna take with you it's not i mean i can tie a belt around your waist right now it's gonna make you feel happy for a second but not proud yeah exactly and that's why we have the gauntlets and there's these trials like people there's a system in play when you do these hierarchies and whatnot and like you said nobody just gets a belt there's a test or there's a gauntlet there's a trial or something it's for a reason yeah it's because you're not if i just go oh you know what you're a bulldog now here you go you're like oh really like i didn't have to do anything like but if i told you if you got the blue belt okay after you've trained for like four years now we're gonna put you to the test and you're gonna do all this rolling and then you're gonna go valley it's gonna be really tough and then you get it like you said now there was a grind for it you know and that makes it a lot more redeeming and then you have like a bunch of like a a brotherhood now because you know everybody else who got that book also went through that thing and they're all and then you all share your stories oh when i went to the gauntlet this freaking guy smashed me or whatever you know like yeah but that's the purpose behind it right there has to be a struggle you know if there wasn't a struggle behind it then like you said it has less value you know it's just like eh there's um i was just reading about this recently like there's this um there's this con there's this uh it was a concept in ancient greece called argon which translates as contest or struggle it was meant to be a contest amongst equals so we're equally matched we go to war and that is good they saw that as goodness right because conflict was not something it's frowned upon today we go no conflict everyone's a winner no hierarchies everything is flat right it's just like that it's like we're striving for mediocrity they didn't see it that way the greeks looked at something greatness is important there's beauty and there's an aesthetic it's aesthetic to to win to to to rise above and you need an equal for that you need an enemy you need an opponent right so they saw that right there isn't a valley there was value in conflict because conflict made you better which is exactly what our experience in the gym tells us right we have you have someone who's your rival in the gym not necessarily you know social or emotional rival but like rivals like this is the guy best guy in the gym and you try to beat him every day that's good that right there is good because that's what's going to make both of you guys better i feel like martial arts especially within wrestling i said this before i think wrestling more than other martial arts has kept that alive in in a world where that sort of mindset is dying like i think where that right there is not it is not it is not people don't see competition and hierarchies as good things anymore i think they're good you know we have to we have to we have to value but as long as a competition amongst equals so it doesn't really translate well into all spheres but when it comes to physical the gym is one of those few environments where you can actually witness this firsthand and you see people grow with it they become stronger they become you know better people um i just i just love it man like i um i've seen what it's done for people that were socially awkward shy you know socially [ __ ] and me too okay since we're at it i checked those too man you know i think it's funny because martial arts draws that you know it draws a lot of that type because i think they see it as like this this is the vehicle for me to improve this is how i'm going to stop being this awkward teenager and it'd be someone from something better martial arts does that again i think wrestling does it more than jujitsu and you guys can stop following me get angry at me talk [ __ ] you're a traitor it's true because they're tougher like jiu jitsu has been infected it's been poisoned by by economics like you have to lower the level because you'll lose half your students if you don't in the other day you got a bills to pay right in wrestling wrestling coach doesn't give a [ __ ] you know why the state pays them you don't give a [ __ ] you don't like me okay off the team you know like they don't give a [ __ ] they can train you hardcore all the time and and i think it breeds some of the toughest people i've met in fighting came i mean the toughest people are gonna came and fight came from wrestling like every single one of them is strong-minded yeah it's you know it's one of the things that if you're not familiar with the sport at least when i wasn't in high school there was no cuts yeah they cut you by making you quit i remember when oh wow i like that the first day when we got there there was like 60 people in the mats and like people were like you know but the butt you know just trying to get around jogging around the mat to warm up after a couple weeks it was like 15 people you know just because everybody saw how tough the training was like yeah no that's not happening selection though so at the end of the season and my senior year there was like four people yeah but coach maybe trina was too hard he killed everybody else out of it but it's what makes you tough right so like when there's no selection criteria as far as like you know cutting people and you just make it as physically difficult as possible so those are the minds of the people that you get from wrestling it's like grinding and even then if you want the varsity spot it's a wrestle off you have to fight for that spot you know again you could challenge i forget the frequency they would do the wrestle-offs but i remember i had to do one and my brother had to do one and you know yeah so there is definitely conflict and you have that guy like i know the guy i'm going to wrestle off with i'm like i'm sizing him up now like this is the guy i gotta beat no but at the end of the day when we talked about we were coming back when you're saying what's success or what's winning i think it's relative right yeah we think of winning where we define as okay who scores the most point who gets to win but really to me what winning should be is getting better right and you can get better and lose you normally improve more when you lose yeah that's the truth of the matter because you got more to learn yes if i win by just throwing you know one combination and knocking her out you didn't learn anything i didn't learn anything maybe i learned hey i hit good you know i got a good left hook and my coach's plan was great yeah right but it's just like a affirmation yes after this right it feels great it feels great yeah because that means you did everything right right you prepared coach was good you did everything right great job but you don't build skill from it right you just affirmed that what you did was right as a loser though he's like man i need to work on my head movement i need to you know get better footwork i need to be able to evade this so there's skills to improve upon and that's why it's i think it's harder as a champion you know to continue winning because if you're dominantly destroying people you're not getting much feedback you know as far as like what things you can do better whereas if you're people challenging you're getting to see everybody else's mistakes and loopholes yeah and people okay this is the vulnerability they didn't expose that i can come in there and do it it's just like i think our outlook on it is what's incorrect we we look at you know and when people when you say this losing is good people think that oh it's okay if you're a loser like it's not what i'm saying it's difficult to explain to people like if there's value and struggle it is struggle that is the win as long as there's struggle there's growth and there's winning and growing when you only win it's probably because you're not in a contest of equals to begin with because if you're an environment where there's in a contest of equals chances are you're going to lose now you get the exceptional evidence once in a blue moon you get a kale sanderson or a sativ you're going to get a michael phelps that happens once in a blue moon you get someone who's exceptional right it happens but for the most part if you're throwing yourself out they're going to win you're going to lose and i that the struggle itself is the win yeah yeah and being able to overcome the disappointments and stuff like that that's what takes the emotional intelligence and you should be disappointed that's the thing people say oh you should not be supporting like no you should but you should use that yeah that's fuel like it's not bad as long as you channel it just don't use it to quit use it to grow stronger you know the emotions are there for a reason yeah right and i think someone broke it down once emotion is energy emotion right so it's like you're supposed to direct it to a certain place you're not supposed to sit in it and dwell on it you know if you sit on anger for long it's going to ruin you it's like sitting in depression or whatnot the idea is that you're angry okay now how can we channel that anger and move it into a way that will motivate us to be better right like if you take control of what you feel and direct it it becomes that motivating force that's why some people work well with negative reinforcement it's not for everybody i don't personally like it but some people do because they know how to channel it that way or when they hear the crowd talking crap like oh that's when they get riled up they don't do as good when the crowd's for them you know they want to be the underdog it's all about learning how to channel these emotions you know but people like saying oh you should never be sad you should never be happy you should never be like like buddhist type thing to me it's like well then you're not gonna do anything you're already content which i guess great you hit enlightenment but now your life's over you know how anita referred to a buddhism he called it a sanitized philosophy because it's so clean and void of anything that's human there's no dirt on it it's just like so oh happy and perfect like no give me some noise man you know and i i you you understand what he's mean he's like you need the conflict like that's who we are like and you shouldn't avoid that like you shouldn't be like what i mean imagine if you were enlightened and completely at peace with everything like everything made you happy i don't know like i don't know if i i mean you wouldn't do anything you wouldn't do you exactly you'd be like living under a bridge and you'd be like starving and you'd be happy because you're meditating and you're somewhere else and you're i don't know i'm not enlightened but like i mean from a distance i'm not sure i want to be like you know with what is that how do you when you just determine to have that mindset like it's okay no matter what happens everything's okay there's no i mean there's no there has to be some kind of internal struggle and and that struggle comes from desiring things yes yes you want something and there's a there's something in your way that's the struggle getting through that to get there but if you have no desires then you don't have any struggles because you already got everything you needed which is nothing yeah so very in my mind if you're following maybe we could be wrong but from my understanding if everybody's buddhist then you know we'll be in one generation if we're done we would be in the stone age it's good at some point some some ape-looking creature so like what's over that hill over there i want to find out what's on top of that hill and then he finds a stick and a rock like what if i can put these two together and do something new you know like i think that there's there's ambition is plays a huge role in human life i think we need to balance it out like at some point it can be reckless too like dude you know there's i think there's something is harmful ambition and then you got to look around you too if you're one of those guys you're going to do things just for yourself and realize you're a wrecking ball of every of the world and everything around you that's not healthy this is why to me the gym is such a such an important place to be it's such because there you can you can be ambitious you can be violent and aggressive not in in in a way that's not hurting people but like i could try to take you down and be violent about it i'm going to try to pick you up and slam you and you're going to be pissed off at me but deep down you're like all right [ __ ] i'm going to get you back now and then it is it is an outlet for that which is already in us anyway yeah if that it's you're already you're you're man you're an angry gorilla in there if you don't find an outlet for that it often goes in a way that is actually very harmful to to people around you and it's it's not healthy to yourself it's not healthy to others like i i don't believe in violence on outs out there now she's like i'm for the most part i don't i don't like wars i don't think they're we should be able to talk these things out but the gym is the place to express that like if there's a place if there ever were a place that were created to express that aggression yeah especially men have it more than women were naturally aggressive high testosterone levels kept us alive for hundreds of thousands of years you may like it may not like it but it's there the gym is the place to express that you know it's just like acknowledging your history and where you came from and pretending that there isn't differences between you know men and women or just like how we're supposed to be you know like you said violence is part of life yeah you know and you know when they they try to i know some people go for example vegan for dietary reasons yeah and i believe there's an argument there's an argument there to be made that there's some people that can eat meat or they do them so okay but for the most part there's no ethical reasoning to me as far as not eating animal flesh like that's like telling a dog to go vegan i think there's a celebrity that said they were going to put their dogs they went vegan they bring the dog in vegan like that's animal cruelty yeah eating tall food you're right yeah it is it probably hates it i mean it won't starve it will eat tofu if there's nothing else to eat but it's not gonna be happy yeah it's like would you get like a tiger and start eating them like lettuce all day like no it would be silly that's the same thing yeah we're in denial about our animal side right and people i get that i think some people are well meaning that you know they see animals and they're very empathetic to them when they see them now like it's extensions of humans and like oh it's cruel to kill them but it's animals kill each other too but we're going to tell all the animals yeah no you wouldn't do that to an animal guess what you're an animal you're just an animal that with more power i i'm not vegan i probably never will be um i can empathize with their position not for health reasons because i don't think it's healthy i disagree yeah um but like the way animals are treated i'm not against killing animals they're pretty brutally treated like i could see an argument they're like okay can we do something to be more humane about killing that egg because you can't either yeah like i like i i think hunting is more manlier too like there's something there's something but there's also the whole struggle and the whole there's man the story of oh i went to you know smith's and brought a steak and i cooked it for my family versus i went out to freaking montana and i stocked this elk for like two weeks before i got it and then i had to drag it in and butcher it and that's a story like when you serve that food there's no value yeah you can feel a piece of your soul in there like and that that it needs so much more than yeah i just went to the butcher shop and i have never hunted but i i would like to hunt one day and just like eat my own actually i killed a rabbit with a 22 once i'm not sure that counts did you eat i hate it though i mean i didn't know how to scare my friend had to do it i had no idea how to skin a rabbit but like he it was all right tastes like chicken sort of thing yeah it was not bad it's fun it was fun i mean but like i i could see some and i don't believe in cruelty for um purposeful cruelty if you if you're cruel to a child to teach it a lesson when i mean cruel i mean like some kind of punishment right to teach them a list i think there's value but cruelty for cruelty's sake no but i i'm not against you know i think you know eating meat is is part of our history it's you know at the end of the day you know i think that there's a lot of there's too much ideology not enough truth in people's way of looking at the world like we're overwhelmed with ideology like that's way too much man like the whole i know you were going with that like like their dudes are becoming women and then they're going on to play in in women's leagues it was like what the hell was going on here people i think joe rogan got in trouble for saying that we're not as big as joe rogers so we should be okay what the [ __ ] but people but people believe that they go well if i think i am then i am and okay i'm gonna wait what yeah and i'm like okay you wanna you know you could be whatever you want i if you wanna dress up as you know you wanna chop your wiener off like it's on you man like okay i want to put legally i want to be a woman i should not against it i'm like okay but you're barred from professional sports yeah like you can't but other people play in your games right like and we all have games you know i mean me and you beat each other up and yeah that's a silly game yeah you think about it but that's our thing but it would be like hey everybody has to come with us yeah and train like no it's you know i don't have to play along with what you're doing you know when you're asking people especially in sports where now we're talking about again people's lives are at stake yeah right the whole fallon fox thing was ridiculous i was a 38 year old guy that switched it's not like there's arguments i don't agree with them but there are arguments like oh if you get them before puberty and then the bone density am i okay i don't know we're getting we're getting into i'm not buying it but i don't buy it but whatever there's an argument to be made this dude was like 37 or 38 when he made the transition there's nothing you can do to take away that advantage already did i tell you that she gave us a ride from the casino to the airport once yes i was cornering james mcsweeney and then we i think we missed our ride at the airport like i'll drive you guys so she drove us to the airport yeah i i didn't know i didn't know i found out later like he had to tell me you know that is i'm like no clue but yeah it's a huge advantage because it's not just like oh but i think the argument goes if their testosterone levels are low then they're on par with women like you dummies i'm no physiologist and no no chronologist but i'm pretty sure there's a lot more going on in the human body just to start testosterone is an element in the equation you can even make an argument it's the most important one okay i wouldn't know muscle fiber density lung capacity lung capacity bone density the size of your heart like red blood cells the frame your bone frame and all that there's so much going on guys there's so much more going on i don't know where it's gonna end um but it's shit's gone crazy for sure yeah and then the whole thing is we're trying to make a level playing field but then you're allowing people to switch around and it's the same people making that you're talking about equality and then you pull that [ __ ] off i don't know i don't i don't even know how to come back from that like how do you even yeah i'm just like the other day a friend of mine samia and art some of this is just insane um this this um i can't remember if it was a student that got kicked out of the classroom or if it was a professor they got fired i can see the article i didn't chase up the source but apparently got kicked out of classroom for saying that men can't get pregnant i'm not making this up dave like i know that it's a true thing no i had to get a covey test by the way it came out good so don't worry no but like it was negative but on the test it asks you what gender were you born are you pregnant what a gender do you identify as i remember my mom because she had to do one also she was laughing like well if i answered male i couldn't possibly be pregnant because yeah you know but i don't know baby i want to do it just to [ __ ] with people one day like male and pregnant just to see if anyone's gonna notice like how do you how do you i don't know like it's just this is something i always wonder like what are the absurdities of the present that future historians will like just look at look back and go what were you guys thinking because we can look back at things like slavery and go like how on earth do you justify something like that like to us it sounds so absurd like going back what you're gonna kidnap someone put them in chains and make them work for you for free for their whole life and when their children are born they got to do the same that's pretty insane concept when you think about it right yeah it's horrific but it's how do you justify that i wonder if like 200 years from now people are going to look back and they're going to go wait what you guys thought that that's you know like these guys could play sports with women and get away with it and then like someone got kicked out of a classroom for saying that men can get pregnant like this is the absurdity of our time and it flies as you know political correctness it flies as you know it's i wish it were and the world's going to be better this way if it is so i wanted to be so therefore we have to make it that way it's just weird because in one hand we're supposed to be believing science but then on the other hand we're denying something fiercely anti-scientific yeah and we're denying science in the name of not offending people right so it's like where and again why we are afraid to offend people because people have the truth the truth is hurtful are we and we're what they can't handle the truth of the situation i don't know it is making like you say it's making very fragile people yeah people that are living in bubbles that they're worried that you're in a poppy bubble so now we that's what i feel it kind of normalizes everything right like and it's a kind of a scary trend you know like how far do you go with like these weird things that are going on i don't know it's crazy it is i think and the fact that you know what's the name of that study i think from the 70s 80s that it predicted that technology was going to build on itself and it was like a snow box it was like a curve right it went like that we're at the top of that curve and we have no idea how high the ceiling is but i think we're reaching a breaking point at some at least culturally well especially if you think technology i read a article where they had uh i don't know if you heard quantum processing the new computers are not binary anymore you're talking about computers that can yeah so like essentially binary computers one is used quantum has three states or i think maybe four if i'm not mistaken and that opens up so much possibilities as far as processing but they were saying there was a math problem and a conventional binary computer would take it's like something like a million years it was some ridiculous amount of time and it takes minutes in a quantum processor there's like the computational power of how much to think of process is ridiculous you know so now when we talk about ai on a quantum thing it's going to be like there's going to be no way we could compete with that you know this is going well beyond anything we can fathom there's people who have a hard time i have our understanding quantum physics to begin with i i i can't i change that way that makes no sense we just we slack the intelligence for i think it's beyond the scope of our intelligence how did you engineer this i was uh i recently based off someone recommending a book it was called uh by um it's it's a it's a polish name his last name is balman he's a polish anthropologist i believe he's a professor in england might have died recently can't remember he's really old it's called liquid times he talks about modernity like how fast the world's changing liquid times because you can't really put your hands on anything like it's just like when you in the 50s 60s like you knew you work a nine to five you buy a house you buy a car you raise some kids with 2.5 kids or whatever it is like you know pick a defense and you you know you save money your whole life you send your kids to college and that was a good life that was a stable life if you played by the rules and you followed those rules it was concrete right 2021 what's concrete yeah well okay give me a currency that's stable do you go give me a currency that's stable isn't the dollar is a current stable for the next 50 years would you would you believe i don't believe that no i'm not for a second what is it bitcoin where's the chinese the china is coming out with a new currency you see that did you hold on to your bitcoin huh did you hold on to your bitcoin most of it i never i every time i try to play bitcoin i get screwed i don't i don't touch that thing anymore everyone got rich from it but me okay but like china's got one now too yeah it's gonna be controlled by the chinese uh central bank yeah nothing's gonna go wrong there i don't know my point is like it might i don't know we don't know what the future is gonna be like things are changing so quickly it's everything liquid like you don't what is secure what is safe what is what is the world going to look like 20 years from now it is changing so quickly and i think like a lot of the the excitement out there like the fervor like the the impulse is a reflex of a world that is going mad and doesn't realize it no there i mean this past year and it hasn't stopped yeah people like oh 2021 it would be better like it's still kind of wonky it's still kind of walking you know a lot of uncertainty you know a lot of people don't know what to expect next you know like are we now they're saying there's mutants trains or we have to worry about this it's like oh man it's like a never-ending no it's just one aspect that is just exposing a much bigger problem i think the only thing that i mean viruses have been pandemics have been a constant throughout human history yeah 100 years from now if we're still around there's going to be another pandemic it's just the way the world but i think what it did is exposed how confused and uneducated people are and how desperate they are and how panicky we can get and under like strife and like here's the thing man pandemic is bad but there there's a lot of worse things that can happen like it's a pandemic is bad but it can get a lot worse i don't think people realize that so this is where i'm going [ __ ] man girl it's it's scary you know i i'm already like there's a part of me that's going [ __ ] man is this like re-watching history here is this but um i i think got to try to stay positive keep hopeful work hard keep your head down do your part and try to be honest while you live your life and it's about as much as you can do that's why i'm going to tahiti son of a [ __ ] hey if it gets if it's nice someone that gets crazy over here don't come back okay save me a spot over there i'll go join you but it's uh you know man i think we're we're good for the next two more years at least then we go i don't know man it's like this country's gonna explode any minute now excuse me but uh dave i think that's our hour yes sir it is and i know you got an appointment this time it's dave cutting it early not yeah oh me i mean but uh it was fun man uh we will talk about strength and conditioning next time touch on it all right love you guys thank you you