BTG 52 - Costa Rican Power

[Music] hey guys what's going on david allen here with my co-host robert drysdale for another episode of breaking the guard robert we both we're in costa rica we're at the same time right at the same time different parts of costa rica different parts how was your trip it was amazing man like i have such a good time there um some of the best fish of my life yes i mean i think something about that you had you fished it yourself that makes it even better but like the cook really killed it and we took it to like a a restaurant they like seared salmon now cereal tuna probably the best i've ever had man out of this world so good fresh tuna cannot be beast oh man like and they they really knew what they were doing you know they killed it and uh what else was a short campaign there for four days um it was nice catching up with ron and those guys like how they have a consistent crew that apparently goes there all the time yeah i saw a couple of guys that just did mine yeah kevin uh yeah he was there he's a big kimura guy yeah yeah he's on there so that's cool no it's beautiful man they got a great thing going on there i i got myself booked for spring break next year so i'm going back soon i mean soon spring break yeah yeah the this time around when i went i went to the osa peninsula it's like in the south it's all like rainforest and yeah beaches my god the heat is just it's very humid yeah you know and uh just telling you before the show we went there to dive because there was a place there that you could go diving and uh it was a funny story because a dive master actually he had worked with a lot of like super billionaires that apparently all these billionaires like one i guess he said it's like word of mouth you know yeah like one and went there because they have like thousands of spinner dolphins that they go in this channel yeah and you could just see thousands of dolphins swimming and you could swim with them and but you have to apparently it's not something that anybody can do because you need three speed boats to identify where they're at because they're moving all the time and then once they find them then they send in the dive boat to jump in so one guy told them that another billionaire told another billionaire now it's like a club where before it like they would be why don't we join that club dave we should just i don't know if he's like hey why are we not invited i know i was like man this sounds kind of cool except i don't have two like and apparently bill gates was one of the guys that he was a dive master for which he has two super yachts not one two there's like one for him and then look at the supports not enough david it's not enough one is not enough and they don't even like i guess because they can't just bring their own yachts there they rent the super yachts but then they bring in their own helicopters and stuff they're flying in and he was just talking about a lot of the stuff which just seems like so crazy like that the amount of money that these guys are playing with is just like silly yeah but uh it was pretty interesting uh some of the insights they were giving particularly bill gates like he says he has his own security detail and like essentially whenever they say whenever bill walks out he's wearing orange so like all the security knows they guard the guy with orange shirt really yeah and yeah like i guess the instructions it's a different world and they said what they were telling me the instructions is like it doesn't matter what happens to anybody else bill is always the first priority you could see his daughter drowning and she's right there bill's 100 yards away you go straight to bill really i was like damn it's pretty cold it's yeah no it's a different reality man like these guys like they they operate in a in a different world like i remember when i was in abu dhabi and i you know with the sheik and then i'm picking his brain on investments right yeah so what's a good investment i'm thinking about buying a house in vegas what do you think and he goes quiet he'll sign and go yes real estate is a great investment but when you buy never buy one home always buy the whole neighborhood and just wait and then he's dead serious dave he's just like dead serious about buying the whole neighborhood i'm like this guy has no idea how much money i have he has no idea of like it's like the difference of these guys between a thousand a hundred thousand and a million is like so insignificant yeah that they don't even bother arguing like it's changed right and but that's how they opera i think they asked bill gates one time like one was a gallon of milk and he was like forty dollars i saw so out of touch with he was on the price is right it was impressive i think it was on helen or ellen or whatever and they were playing the same prices right game where they put a bunch of grocery items it's oh yes yeah it's like uh a bag of pizza rolls he's like 49 bucks you know everything was just super often like these personal shoppers is nailing him yeah he hasn't shopped and forward in his defense yeah yeah when was the last time you think he went to the grocery store of course it would make he would be losing money lots of money i think if you do the math if he dropped like ten thousand dollars on the floor it doesn't it's not worth his time to lean over to pick it up his time is worth more than that so you just like if you drop if you lost ten thousand dollars just let it be and just keep going right if i drop a penny i pick it up but like if you're bill gates it's it's a different reality man i always say this though i wonder about their mental health because if you're living in something that's so unnatural it is so unnatural to be wearing orange and have everyone around you like taking care of you like you're some kind of demigod and then it sounds incredible from the outside but if you're in there is that really healthy like psychologically speaking right like everything you do is guarded everything you do is measured by like 20 other people i don't know man i don't know if that's a i mean it sounds incredible i'm not saying i wouldn't like to have a yacht yeah sure but i'm not sure it's the kind of life you would want to live at the same time it's not what everybody thinks it is i i because he was telling me a lot of like little stories here and there like like he said that he has prima he could see that divorce happening based on the interaction between him and the wife at the time and i guess he saw him afterwards and the change was dramatic you know he was a lot more upbeat or whatnot but like even something simple as going to town it's a complicated process yeah because now we need security there's no piece and you you know we gotta make sure like so it's like it's non-stop it's a high level of like i always say like money is just the physical manifestation of power right and when you have that much power people want it from they're constantly trying to bite at you and you have to have a team of people that protect you from people trying to take chunks of your wealth but then can you trust those people so i was watching have you seen the hollow crown i was just watching it like you watch it it's based off like you know the shakespeare's play henry the fourth right or richard the second henry the fourth part one two and then henry the fifth but basically you know when when fourth takes power and he does in a very nasty way he's very ambitious right and then he spends the his whole like reign as a king worried that someone's gonna do the same thing to him he's worried about trees and he's stressing out and he can't sleep because like heavy raise the crown like he's just so stressed the whole time he's king he got what he wanted but he's just miserable at the same time you know and he's just stressed out and he envies his subjects because imagine like imagine if you're a pulper right now you're asleep yet i'm here awake at night and i can't sleep right because i'm so stressed out about everyone trying to take what i have so i wonder if like if even though it's something everyone aspires towards like is it really that desirable that you would be that wealthy right because it would be i think i imagine to be in some ways more stressful than being poor hey well i would think you have to be a lot more cautious because you said like when you're poor you know you have relatively little power yeah not much people want to take anything from you you know yeah if you're homeless nobody's trying to mug you yeah it's like the kids in the favela i think i said this but like this they're the happiest people i've ever seen in my life dave i i've traveled it's the people in the slums of rio de janeiro like zero life expectations they're not gonna be doctors they're not gonna live in a mansion granted they have the best view in the world right no expectations right no pressure no pressure to win right be successful so you live you live in the moment and you're happy i'm not suggesting i want to go live there but my point is like power is is an addiction it's like drug like you know i think it's jim morrison who said like you know fame is like you know it's destroying you but you can't let it go i can't remember the exact quote but like he was you could see he was a man like he was tortured by his popularity because anything he didn't want any of it but at the same time it is like like crack right the more you have the more you more doses you take of the more you need it and it becomes sort of the spiral and then you know it's destroying you but at the same time you don't want to hand it over to anyone else right um i mean i i think i saw this guy was on the bill maher show this was years ago but i never forgot it was a psychologist he was trying to find what the like the happy medal for happiness was right financially speaking and then he found that the people who were very poor were somewhat stressed out because they couldn't you know provide of course and then the people were very rich right i think it's making like over 200 thousand dollars a year which is rich in this country not uber rich but it's if you're making more than 200 grand a year you're rich right um they were even more stressed out because they were so worried about keeping up with the neighbors and they were so worried about managing their wealth and maintaining the wealth and not losing the wealth and they were actually more stressed out he was finally at the people there was like a happy range there was a happy middle there where people actually were not that stressed out because they had enough for the family they were providing they had you know some money left over the end of the year for a vacation but they didn't have enough that they had to worry about like losing it either like in a sense like you have to manage all this work right so um it's you know it's a difficult one because everyone's pursuing that all the time i want to be rich of course but you know statistically like it's it correlates with unhappiness right it's not breeding happiness there's a another study i feel like i've told i i might have said this in the podcast before but like with chimps right and they find that the alpha male and the troop is the most stressed out oh yeah the troop yeah right so because everyone brings him food and he gets more females and his life is technically better right because he's the alpha but he's the most stressed they measure like stress levels through poop right they can measure how stressed the chimpane is like through the roof most because every problem is his problem every problem in the troop goes back to who to him he's got to solve everyone's problems all the time and then they find that the number two in command right number two three and four which is like the alphas like right hand guys they're the least stressed because they get all the perks because the leftovers but none of the stress as i was going to tell you like when you were saying would you want to be bill gates no i would like to be bill gates friend yes i wouldn't be his buddy you're better off being his buddy hey bill can i borrow your yeah thanks man exactly i didn't have to worry about paying the insurance on it you know you just get to enjoy and it's a better thing about it it's like you want to be number two um and then like the stress levels would go up to the beta males the ones that had no access to like females and or stressed out because but they were still not as stressed as the alpha like he was the most stressed guy in the whole trip uh man like but that's the kind of stuff you're watching these guys and i'm wondering i don't know they i they must have some therapist some psychologists around kind of keep their sanity because i'd imagine at that level if you're not watching for your mental health you'd lose it man yeah you're probably like i mean you see it with hollywood all the time yeah suicide depression drugs and whatnot it's like you couldn't ask like there's a population that's super wealthy or at least super rich they have you know all sorts of fame pretty much go anywhere they want yet you read tabloids is consistent of you know every problem that they have and if the lack of privacy too must be difficult it must be it must kind of be like not being allowed to sleep you know if you can't you can't go bar hopping on fremont oh yeah i'm bill gates i'm just going to go to fremont get wasted now you can't do that you can't go to a nightclub and hang out you can't like go to a normal restaurant like on a date you think you can go on a date you know you can what do you do how do you live your life like they have like 50 securities on you like all times i i i don't know it doesn't sound fun no well what was interesting you were saying that uh this guy was saying what was it uh in costa rica the local dive master spoke to bill's dive master yeah you know because he has his own guy but then the lo they bring a local who knows the area and he was talking to this guy because oh i imagine with you know kobe he must have been not busy last year he's like i'm busy normally i work 247 days a year or something like that last year was 365. more people traveling with just particularly with the billionaires bill gates yeah he was there the whole time he was there the whole time he said so you must really like to dive it makes sense because i had read an article saying how the builders of super yachts had their best year last year you're like how would that be that's so strange but if you think about it what better place to get away from a pandemic yeah you just you knew the ocean 24 7. yeah so the pandemic like some some industry did exceptionally well like you could have i mean my dumb ass sold all my amazon stock right like as a pandemic but like if you i mean if i were smarter than i am you would look at that and you would go this is where um the wealth is going to be right like amazon people are going to shop online of course if they're locked in at home guess where they're going to shop they're not going to stop buying stuff right but so like there's some industry did exceptionally well like obviously you know gyms aren't on the other end of amazon we survived barely but we made it a ppp you know like little socialism going on like hey i'm not complaining help me it's kept the economy afloat um and i think now we're i think we're good but yeah um yeah man it's uh um i'm sure i forgot what's going on with that well yeah like i i would like a yacht for a week just to see what it was like and then i would like to live like bill gates for like a month of my life maybe just see what it's like my guess is that i it would not be that fun because you would get over the private jet in the yacht after so after a while you'd be over it it wouldn't be exciting anymore i think it's exciting for the maybe the first few times after a while it's just just another toy right well i think everything is just about i mean the transportation wise you know super yacht a private jet cool but i don't know i'm about the destination so it'd be more about access to places that you can get you normally wouldn't get to for example in that particular place from my understanding that's you can only do that by having the means to have three speed boats trolling around trying to find where these dolphins are and then having that okay we can jump in here now you know normal person wouldn't be able to yes i mean there's there's dark commodity advantages like you can afford to like hire speed boats to go find the dolphins for you so you're going to get a better experience yeah george just like uh jeff bezos now is going to space just because oh because he has his own space company space company and i guess i don't know if it's a publicity stunt or he's just trying to fulfill a live dream and whatnot but he's taking him and his brother to that i guess to the edge of space yeah right on the flight you know that's something that only someone's competing with elon musk to see who's going to get to space first right that's pretty much well elon's been doing it right with the spacex yeah apparently there was a bid to compete for government contract which spacex has won but now uh bezos had lobbied significantly i think it was like six hundred fifty thousand dollars in congress or center or whatever it is six hundred and fifty thousand to one particular guy who then now is trying to push giving a second grant to give essentially bezos 10 billion dollars how is that not illegal by the way when you think about it screw what's best for the republic right like let's just lobby here because now we need a second trip to mars you know and it doesn't seem to you know strike anyone is inappropriate that a congressman would be lobbying for a billionaire because a billionaire really wants to go to space like i mean i just look at all this i'm like wait what like they're talking about that we're not the priority here anymore like say what's what happened because i thought that's what a republic was yeah it's funny you know because i watched the show it was a hell on wheels about the the train when they were building all the tracks during the post-civil war yeah and you just see the type of deals that they're talking about they're doing and you're like oh this is the same oh yeah it's i think it's just disproportionate now the difference is the carnegie's of the world there are midgets in comparison to the elon musk's right like wealth has accumulated such an extent not only that but i got like elon musk he makes a tweet and he messes with the entire world economy which is terrifying to me like i know like people don't think that's like oh yeah he just would bitcoin shot through the roof or down or up or whatever and i'm going the fact that a single person has that much power should be worrisome we should not be like okay with that like that's a scary scary power to have in the hands of one person with a twitter account it's it's a very interesting thing right because well we have free speech you can say what you want so there's that but then you have like you said this guy literally with you know whatever 150 characters or 155 characters or whatever just rocks the whole global economy and like it's almost as if he's just trolling people yeah because he'll put one like cryptic thing and then he'll say something totally obvious he's testing the waters and he's just constantly floating things around you know so they i know they're trying to use a market manipulation which i i don't know what the legal parameters of it is but at the same time what what's different from that and when you watch like cnbc or something where you have like jim cramer giving his like stock tips or whatnot like it's just that elon has a bigger reach than this yeah it's the same thing it's the same it's just much bigger so that's why i feel like well you can do that you know it's just that you know tv never had that type of reach yeah you know because especially now it's being constant it's being exhausted it's to the point now where like one person has more power than all kings in europe had you know 100 300 years ago yeah because everybody's carrying around one of these things yeah and uh when that guy tweets it lights up yeah so like that the the the means of communication is just far more powerful and then when you talk about someone like elon who wants to do the the brain chip interface oh we're we're kind of there already we're just holding the chip in our hands we're holding it inside the brain yeah it's just taking a step out yeah you know well then there's gonna be instantaneous communication to the point where you might get to a point where we're merged consciousness or what i don't know it's kind of how the phone it kind of is that microchip already it's just not inside your brain it was like oh i don't want to chip in my brain like you got it in your hand what's the difference you know because you're constantly manipulated by the information you were given but going back to the point of like was going to have that much power adam smith was like fiercely against monopolies because he believed that a capitalist economy cannot function with a monopoly there has to be competition competition is what makes an economy healthy because once you have one if i if i have a monopoly of all jiu jitsu schools in vegas right like i can do a [ __ ] job yeah provide a [ __ ] service and get away with it because i have a monopoly so it's you got to be careful with these things in ancient greece they would ostracize anyone who was too powerful if you were too powerful you know what they do to you they get rid of you because they felt it wasn't it was uh unhealthy for the health of the the the politics of city state if you were too good of an athlete and you were winning too much what they did to you they get rid of your ass and it sounds like a radical measure like so you're punishing the guy from being successful but it's because they prize competition so much right so they have they were striving that there has to be a balance if you're too dominant in politics you are unhealthy for athenian democracy for example right and it's and it's a complicated one because there's no ideal solution because you're punishing a guy for being highly successful it's not you here what happened dave has a bomb installed installed inside his studio um are we are we on still yeah but i'll just chop that out what this is find a place to cut and come back in anyway um yeah so it's a difficult balance to strike because you want competition because competition is healthy but you can't if someone's too far ahead there's no more competition right like yeah it's like it's about how do you strike it it's not an easy problem to solve it's very problematic and it's a very old debate too but what do you do if someone is that dominant like you you kill competition you know uh it's in the segway there we can go to gordon ryan being retired and then i guess they said andre gabao just confirmed yeah but it was before that announcement so he knows man but suppose i mean they showed the the messages it was on may 1st i don't think that they would have faked out what that because it said on the message from gabao that uh don't make an announcement yet but i'm in no conditions whatever but it just looks unfortunate timing if that was the case where now it looks really bad for him because like oh gordon nazi retired and then they put the news announcement oh i didn't they probably did that on purpose just timing the timing is revealing the other thing is i don't know what his health conditions are like but depending on what they are he may not recover in time to train prop appropriately to a super fight yeah right so it might be one of those things let's say he requires some kind of surgery he's got for six months and now he's got what three months to prepare for example is that enough i don't know maybe i it's it's that that's a whole other issue it really sucks for him i mean no he was on a roll like for sure he's at his price and then that right there slows him down a lot again i have no idea what the issue is i don't know anything about english family he's got like some from what i've understood uh i guess in new york in the renzo's they were just getting massive amounts of staph infections like uh i listened to a podcast from both donahue from greg and from gordon but particularly craig was saying he was taking antibiotics like almost year round because he was constantly getting stabbed and then what was interesting they're like oh well that must mean that like hens was like really dirty he's like is hygiene bad at one night like no we have like uv sterilization we got you know cleaning the mats the problem is that we have so many visitors yeah you can't filter now yeah so you're saying what happens is like i think donna was giving example he's like imagine you're you know from nebraska and you're 21 year old and you're gonna make the trip to come and train with the squad you know so you're gonna it's a lot of money for you yeah you know and just before you go to the trip you notice you got a little staff you're gonna cancel the trip no yeah so you know they wrap it around this is another part of this conversation a lot of people don't don't don't doesn't come up people accuse the gym yes if they get staff or ring worm it's the gym's fault i'm like unless the mats are filthy and never clean and then the gym has a portion of the responsibility but we're talking at least half the responsibility lies on the students and you can't control that because you have new students coming in all the time you have visitors all the time i can't monitor everyone's skin i can have a conversation about it like i mean that's messed up if you have ringworm and you're stepping on the mats but it doesn't matter how clean the mats are yeah if your training partners aren't clean that's you know and then if they're coming from other gyms if they cross train this is like it it is an issue like we've never had a staff problem in the gym um ringworm is a bigger problem because it spreads a lot easier staff requires an entrance into your skin as it like normally is ingrown hair cut and growing your hair is like the easiest one because it's like a it's like the hair like you know the sweat runs through the hair all the way underneath your underneath your derma and that's when you you catch uh staff i will say this about staff though staff is in your nose yeah so a lot of you like action staff i'm not pointing fingers but like normally that's like you're not just you're just being dirty because it's on the mats all the time it's just that if you have a pimple you're not monitoring that it doesn't have to be filthy but like you know you're just unaware of it like i've had staff before like twice and both times there were parts of my body you're normally not looking at like the back of your tricep you know like you're not doing that right there so you just think you feel it but you think it's a pimple and it's when you realize oh [ __ ] it's grown when i pulled out of one of my ufc fights because of staff it was like like between the back of my knee and my calf on like on the left side here so it was one of those things where like you're not gonna see you have to like really lean over to see it and i felt it but i just assumed it was a pimple which it probably was initially and then it's you know i have a staph infection right it's a it's uh but it's all over your body like you carry staff on you 24 7. yeah it's and i i guess his point was he doesn't believe for most schools or whatnot that map to person transmission is the vector it's personal 100 percent and i guess he was saying the problem with them was that it was all these they had like hundreds of visitors coming in every day and it was difficult for them to screen i guess now they said they approved the protocol where you're a new visitor they actually check your head to toe and like looking through band-aids because people are wearing a little knee sleeve oh i'm good like that doesn't do anything you know you're sweating yeah you know you have to it's that sounds messed up because you have to inspect people's bodies before they train yeah but i i mean i've caught students am i trying to hide it oh no people and then i'm like and i get it when i was like 17 i had a ring worm on my uh my stomach you know what i did yeah i hit it because i didn't want to stop training it's it's it's so shitty that you're on that end that you can't train when you're dying to train you just wanna i just wanna cover it up and screw it you know oh i did the same i actually what was it uh the guy that makes meme cartoons i'm sorry i forgot his name i won the contest for that one which was name your most disgusting like uh competition ringworm story oh and i had it can't wait for this one so i was in high school 15 years old and in south florida there was just like a ringworm epidemic like yeah all the schools had been warm and to the point where every meet the referees or the officials would check everybody head to toe and you were i'm not sure if i was naked or my underwear but you were stripped down right and they were checking you everywhere i had a giant ringworm right on my cheek it was it was i didn't have a beard back then either so it was impossible to hide right and barry was all dave you're going to be taken out you know like what are you going to do i was like i have a plan so i walk in there and i i'm watching them inspect other people and they the guy that kind of makes he looks up looks down looks around i'm like i'm going to stare this guy down so hard like i'm going to [ __ ] murder him that he's going to be so uncomfortable to look me in the face yeah he's not going to notice it wow and i just went straight up like that stare and sure enough he just looked down right away you tell me you're good super gay mode and go like just bring out the gayness in you and then just like look at this guy like dead in the eye when you're naked oh that's gotta be so uncomfortable man if someone did that to me i wouldn't be able to be like oh god this is [ __ ] weird yes i got to compete with a giant ringworm eye contact in general was just like weird you know like yeah and then you guys like one of you guys is naked like no never it's funny it's like people in like in the changing room like they're naked all the time they don't even talk to each other even talking yeah you know but it's like it's more in the u.s like in brazil like people you know they they were talking about in europe people be naked and like full on having like full-on conversations like but naked in the changing room like five guys naked just talking and it's just a cultural thing like this whatever in the u.s they're everyone's more you know you go naked everyone goes quiet like no one talks yeah it's very awkward it's a i guess a more conservative culture says yeah i think we're more crude in a sense where like especially like i remember like i was in sweden once and the guy like bend over in front of me and i was like whoa she's like look away you know but it was it was not like in their the way they're thinking is like why are you gay like why are you like it is it's just like one of those things where i'm like i was not expecting you know you're not you don't prepare yourself for that i think um i'd rather not see that right yes i wish that i could delete that yeah yeah particularly dude bending over that's a bad individual that's a bad visual so i like the modesty i wasn't i was in poland once and we were there was a camp and um so there's like one of 50 someplace in the camp and then you know i went to the shower it was like maybe four or five showers for everyone so there's a big line of people and i went first because the coach whatever right privilege and then but i'm i'm i'm doing this the men's bathroom right so i knew there was a line but i didn't know it was like one bathroom for men and women so there's some women in line too so i walk out of there naked and i have like four chicks like staring at me i'm like oh [ __ ] and and there are other guys in line and some of those were under underwear but some of them were naked and the chicks were in line with them just like just waiting they're in the bikinis and they're just waiting take a shower it's like it's completely normal like i was so i don't know just so put off by that it's like you don't expect to see women see you naked when you're walking out of the shower you know it's just weird like that yeah i guess it's culturally because if you're desensitized to it yeah it doesn't really matter it really isn't a big deal like we're always you know trained like uh we're not always wearing underwear or whatnot yeah and that tends to what draw your eyes more to it you know because you're now you're you're you're curious or like your brains like trying to figure out what's under that you know yeah and yeah it becomes impossible it's kind of like when you're i remember when we were kids oh would get like the the porn channel you know like playboy channel yeah but like after a few minutes ago okay you've seen the tits you know like yeah it desensitizes yeah you get detentified right it's kind of like the fights too like after watching like a couple fights like okay i'm kind of but it's i never get fight cards up but like 30 fights at once i was like oh jesus christ this is gonna be hard you know yeah after you watch like five ten fights you're like i i don't know man like i like i'm like did you see the logan paul floyd mayweather fight i saw some clips of it i saw clips i didn't see the whole thing i saw the apparently logan landed two punches and back to back a jab and a little bit of a win right so let me let me uh so this is um was that that's not an official fight it's like it's exhibition fight so genius so this is what i might guess okay conspiracy theory moment here this is if you're mayweather and you love money like the way he does this is all you're gonna do you make it a non-exhibition so it doesn't go on your record everyone's betting where are the odds for sure mayweather right so what is and then most people are assuming that he's gonna win between round one and eight somewhere along those lines they're betting he does the unexpected what does he do he carries him puts all the money on himself yeah to what to draw because no one's how many people are voting on that yeah right how many people are voting that floyd mayweather is gonna do so my guess is that he this is why he has a smile on his face in the press conference is going like i don't give a [ __ ] this is on my record i know i can beat this kid yeah i actually honestly think he's just holding back because he wants to draw he wants to survive yeah and he's making more money that way there is a there's more conspiracy theory to that apparently there's a rematch well now uh there's a clip where floyd hit some i think it was one solid punch or maybe it was a combo and you can see logan kind of limps like yeah and mayweather holds them yeah and it was like towards the end of the round and the clip is kind of short so you can't see what happened afterwards but he clearly held them up and which would make in fighting makes no sense in boxing you're just going you would never grab somebody if you're hitting right you keep hitting until it goes down so there's you know there's a credence to your idea where he's like no no you're not supposed to go down you're so you're supposed to stay up you know so this is what uh i'm not going to mention who but someone who is at mayweather's camp who i know pretty well when he fought conor mcgregor he's going like he could have beaten conor between round one and five no problem but he did the same thing he put all the money on himself between when between round eight and 12 or something like that she won in round nine i think it was um but like it's the same thing you it's it's about money floy is floyd is so much better than logan paul i know he's bigger and stronger and younger i get that but he's such an experienced boxer yeah like he would have he would know right a split second after he lands that punch if he got logan or not like he knows oh i got this kid so what does he do because he's fighting for the draw holds him up that makes if you're trying to make more money that's exactly because he's so good he has it's like if it would be like me training with a blue belt yeah you think i have to put him away you don't think i can pull off a draw with a blue belt yeah if i wanted to think about it if you work with the blue belt and you really want to fight for that you don't think you could dave of course it's not that hard yeah it's actually pretty easy to pull off a draw with a boy just act like almost let him get in an arm bar knowing perfectly well you can escape yeah because you trust your jiu jitsu that much right you don't think floyd mayweather's on the same level of course he's like what in his late 40s 50s 42 i think yeah are they 40 oh okay yeah i was younger than i thought that but nevertheless making 100 million dollars off a nothing fight with zero risk or whatnot really this is why he has a smile on his face the press conference yeah the kid was better than i thought because he's just like basically saying to the people that knows what's going on all his boxing friends what he's really worried about yeah is his reputation the boxing community he knows that they know and that's why he's smiling like you guys can slack all the [ __ ] you want i just made 100 a million dollars that's what you see my small mind i almost said a hundred thousand dollars this is the mind of a poor man but yeah and and but that's what he's saying he's communicating to i got a story very very close to home very similar in fact very close to home that i'm not going to say because anyway i'll just let it slide but there's i'll tell you in private later but it's similar people acting because they're worried about their reputation amongst the people in their circle right so they're just like oh i i did that on perp i i come um it was planned you know like uh or like mayweather just i'm trying to anyway i lost my train of thought but mayweather is just like acting cool because he wants people to know that he was he wasn't taking it seriously he wasn't taking it that seriously i guess he's trying to win and he wants to get another fight with their brother now of course you know he does now he builds and then they get and they can keep doing this endlessly because to him it's the easiest money in the world like these kids are like they're athletic i'm not taking credit i think logan has balls everyone has balls whatever like they're athletic kids they hit hard but there's a there's like you want people to understand there's like the amount of training and time that someone like mayweather has to be where he's at yeah and that's what kills me about this conversation is like i'm not hating on people making money like hey man all the power to you what kills me this is what part of breaks my heart dave is there's thousands of boxers around the world that deserve that fight more than logan paul did thousands right like every professional boxer on the planet deserves that fight more than logan paul did but you know we're living we're in an age where entertainment and merit have kind of blended in there's no more clear division where those lines are right it's sort of like the same thing like the ability to sell tickets is equivalent to merit now like that's oh my god this is one way of looking at it like it's like when hazbolla ends up fighting that other little russian like it's gonna be it's going to sell crazy because like the lines have been blurred between like a ring and a circus like it's not so clear anymore yeah like we've i mean it sells it works i get it but tell me you don't feel like it's messed up with the people who have spent their lives in the gym and they're getting paid peanuts man and this kid made 20 million dollars he was owen won and he's fighting floyd mayweather yeah i know even just in the ufc fighters are really upset you know of course it's a different sport but same idea it's like man this guy just walked in there and made 20 million but he's like i forgot who put it he's like oh i'm here starting my youtube channel now you know because like that that's kind of that's the right lesson to learn from this but at the same time it seems unfair in a way because like what do we want from our fighters like me as i want to see the highest level of technique possible what should my fighter be doing on the off time to maximize that training training recovery diet you know all the other stuff that's what he should be focusing on but the reality is you could do all that but that's not going to make you any money because you need to be noticed you need to be marketable so then like how do you become marketable well then you have to invest time into social media whether that means you hire somebody or you from what i've seen the people who do it best are doing it themselves yeah right they're not like outsourcing it oh they're you know taking charge of it but that takes time and that takes time away from your training you know and so now you're trying to fight the compromise on training in order to be marketable which is the reality it just seems like it takes away from the true purpose of what you're trying to achieve it's just that it works because as long as you're still in tickets it doesn't matter yeah the thing is uh and and i i noticed this a lot of jiu-jitsu on a much smaller scale much much smaller scale you know exposure wise financially i get it but it's the same problem you get these kids and they're coming up their blue belts purple belts and they're starting to win they're getting some notoriety and i see this all over the place and the second to get a little taste of that fame and notoriety that right there starts being more important to them than training and all of a sudden there's like for every training session there's like three instagram posts right and once that ratio is off like there's more pictures than training it's the beginning of the end and i've seen this didn't i i called this from a mile i i thought it's like not my own students but other gyms too i follow i watch right yeah and i'm going man that kid's got a lot of potential it's incredible look at him there you go you've been doing this forever you got an eye for this if you develop an eye for potential right and you see these 18 19 year old kids are like man that kid is going to be a stud and you're just watching what he's 19 holy [ __ ] and then he gets a little taste of it he's on flow grappling now i made it right and then you can see the and then all of a sudden like you can see them doing that plateauing and then going down because their priorities change where before they were immersed in competition for competition's sake i am trying to out do my rivals that's how you be good you walk into a gym you're like i got to be the best guy in the gym today that's how you get better like trying to compete with your friends right yeah i'm trying to beat you you try to be me and that's how we both improve when you shift the focus from that sort of competition to a popularity contest you're you're you're no longer when you go to bed at night you're no longer thinking how do i pass dave's guard they've called me that foot lock tomorrow what did i do wrong yesterday what did i do wrong right your wheels are turning in a different way yeah you got different wheels turning right what am i what kind of posts am i going to do tomorrow get more followers right and then the amount of mental energy that you dispense on one topic versus the other like it just starts there's a shift right and that's you can see this the beginning of the end of their career because they had the potential to do it because they had that little taste like they can't and i'm not saying to each other whatever works this is work for logan paul jake paul amen all the power to you but i think that right there the message that is sent is that you're better off you know turning these wheels over here before you go at night then actually trying to be great yeah right because we just saw a guy who's 0-1 fight the greatest boxer in history yeah and he made 20 million from it like and that's if you had told me that 10 years ago i would have been like no way that's impossible it's never going to happen well here we are right but hey again like entertainment is an end in itself right it's no longer greatness it is the ability to make money and entertain so it is what it is yeah i look back when i was competing and i never thought about fame no you don't think there's none too like back like there's not like the closest thing to fame would be like something on grappler's quest's website there'd be a picture of you right like yeah yeah or like magazine or like i the first time i had a picture of me on gracie magazine i won the world as a brown belt like with pictures like the size of a quarter yeah i was so happy it's like oh my god i'm on gracie magazine it was like a time but it was that's as far as you could get right and that was in some ways financially it sucked because everyone was broke okay i get that but in some ways it kind of kept the right wheels turning because you're focusing on the right things yeah because uh you're probably like me i didn't start martial arts because i'm like this is going to be how i become famous yes yes i just i got into for self defense and then afterwards i just love the challenge yes yeah improving myself over and over and over again you know like even once i got into you know adcc and started you know competing and stuff i never thought about the fame aspect of it but then again maybe it's like you're saying there wasn't any real money involved so it's like there's not as much incentive you know but i don't know i i i think that's the difference now though there's some people getting into this who actually think oh i can be rich off of this and like your incentive to train is now different you know uh particularly with guys now like for example like gordon ryan again he's kind of raised a bar for what's financially possible yes you know guys like craig jones and stuff like that also like just competing they're making a good amount of money so now the next generation's like oh i can potentially make that much money yeah and this is not as a highly competitive at least from their mind as it would be to get into the nfl or to nba i would think that was you can argue that pretty easily right that it would be harder to be a top nba or nfl player than it would be as far as the amount of people entering versus being a top grappler yeah right uh but yeah that just seems crazy to me you know like because it just changes the incentive i i feel like people who get into it like that are what i would call athletes instead of warriors i always make that distinction where yes you know like martial artists versus like jsp talks about that yeah yeah i say like the athlete is somebody who who takes a sport as a as a game yeah you know so they don't they can win they can lose and uh generally that means like once you get to the point of pain you pull out right whereas like a guy who's a warrior will die on the mat yeah it's he's different from different reasons it's 100 like and and it's funny because like when you when you make all these decisions in life right you're going to choose like you want to be admired by experts or do you want to be admired by people who are clueless right and like you can contrast a guy like khabib and mcgregor everyone who doesn't know mma thinks mcgregor is the greatest fighter of all time it's true people that don't know may if you ask them who's the greatest mma fighter of all time they're going to mention the one guy they know which is conor mcgregor now anyone who loves fighting right yeah that's like conor mcgregor khabib that's unanimous khabib's the man right khabib is the man like i i like that guy he was right but when i saw him fly the first time i think it's really good like good wrestling good ground and pound top control like he fight grapples i wish i had his wrestling because i think i have a similar idea of how you should fight like like the cage fighting the whole thing like it's it was always my vision as a grapplers to fight exactly like i agree with you but he's he and but like that that alone his record of like okay this kid is phenomenal but then you start getting little glimpses of him as a person and i don't know him personally but you you i think a person's character is tested when you're tempted that's when you really know because it's easy to do the right thing when there's nothing on the line it's when you have a lot to gain or lose or you still do the right thing that's when you really test someone's character right when zubaida jumped over the fence to punch mcgregor which is wrong i'm not defending him but khabib when if you fire my friend you have to fire me too i think dana knew he was serious about it like he would rather lose a belt and hundreds of millions potential like tens of millions of dollars to stand by his brother yeah right and they just offered him 100 million to fight mayweather and he said no i'm not fighting for the money or self-affirmation i'm happy with who i am they're more important like holy [ __ ] man who says no to a hundred million dollars yeah i can't name a person who does that are you kidding me but he's like he does it and it's it's incredible like who the hell does that he actually means what he says he's not [ __ ] he's not doing it's not a pr campaign dave he's dead serious he was like i made a promise to my mother and that's it like the [ __ ] does that can you imagine mcgregor doing that logan paul floyd mayweather i can't tell his mother i'm not saying that i mean maybe like okay you could have donated that money and you know helped so many people there are things you could have done with that if you don't want it for yourself but there's something about him there's there's something about that region of the world other corners of the world there's this code of honor that has survived right you see that in some you know aspects of japanese culture they call them honor cultures right like where a handshake still means something yeah right um i i i don't think that that there's extremes to this but i think we miss some of that like that is i i like that it's it's integrity right at the end of the day right and i think example is what we lack in politics is what we hate about politicians yes because they have none yeah they they're saying they'll play floppy i say oh you know i'm going to build this bridge for you and then cross your fingers behind the back and they're like no it was a it was yeah they stand for nothing i stand for nothing it's easier to like i would have a harder time i would have a easier time voting for somebody that i disagree with on certain points as long as i knew like the position was solid yeah i prefer or someone or someone who admitted you know what i did coke last week and i cheated on my wife a couple times i would listen to that guy and i'm like okay i'm not justifying what you did but there's someone actually willing to be honest here like there's hope right that all the other things that he says now will hold some truth to them because when you get these guys with a smile on their face and they tell you everything you want to hear that's the first guys to be suspicious of yeah that's the first alarms go off these days i'm like oh oh he's waiting it's too good to be true yeah yeah let's let's calm down here he may not be the ideal candidate he's telling me everything i want to hear yeah right that's so a guy like habib essentially he's very strongly principled and stands by them you know regardless of like the opportunities that could be lost right so i think everybody at least i i can admire that right okay that's somebody that yeah like you said he stood for his brother as well you know like um you know he goes i go again principal you know so we respect that because even if you look at when you're raising kids or whatnot not that i have any but from what i understand you have to be able to set like hard limits right if you raise a kid and you give rules but the rules bend all the time it's chaotic for them yeah because you know kids are always pushing the envelope they're trying to see how how much can i get away with yeah they're pushing there let me do that yeah okay i'll keep going keep going yeah right so if you don't if you never slap that wrist or tell them okay this is the limit you're good but when you're dealing with people it's the same thing but you're trying to understand where is this guy's positioned actually you know and it's very rare nowadays especially the more famous and political you are like that you have a hard limit yeah it's like well what i believe depends on the circumstances yeah it's i never know who you are and i'm not against like i've changed positions over the course of my life like no one has you know sure yeah but i i'm always suspicious of politicians to do it because i want like my sense from people they call it the game right the game is like this is how you make it in life you play your cards right you like you sense which way the wind is blowing right and that's where you stand like majority of people are here the majority of people are that you see that in jiu jitsu too by the way you see it everywhere and whenever i see someone like who's like changing according like whenever the wind is blowing right and that's where they go i'm always like all right maybe they really had a genuine change of heart it's like all the republicans who are like pro-gay all of a sudden i'm like maybe they really change maybe all of a sudden they're no longer homophobes i don't know but there's a part of me that goes is that genuine or is this guy just you know like sensing you know like politically convenient that's what's politically convenient because like he wants to side with the majority he wants votes so if the majority of people are and and i think a lot of this is why the cultural wars are so you know important because they shift they dictate where politicians will stand right this goes for judges this goes for politicians anyone who's like uh uh subjected to elections or to um you know if you're a public figure it's the same thing so a lot of people i remember i made a political post a few years ago when there was a guy i was in business with and he got really mad really mad he goes rob always write down the middle always right down the middle never position yourself and he was mad because it's going to cost us money in the business deal and i'm going oh so that's what and then it's like that's how these that's how it works you're supposed to be neutral all the time right that's how you become successful or like making like only when you know for sure the majority is here or there that's when you make a stand oh got it but to me it's just like it's just a dirty game like it's just i i would rather people disagree with me than that right like i i always felt like i'd rather have somebody lay out their positions like this is i believe in this i believe in that that boom you know and now okay i know who you are and if i trust you now i know this is your your standing but and i i know how you react on different circumstances as well based on these positions that you have yeah but like you said when you're like a fair weather politician where the wind's going everyone's going there like i he could be anything you know it just depends on the chameleon yeah he's a chameleon you know that you can't find him you know so i don't want to chameleon this uh that's what i'm saying like that's what i'm getting yeah i'd rather have someone who's very strongly opinionated yes and i disagree in a few points but okay i can but you know what you're dealing with yeah you know it's consistent right it's like who was it i forgot the politician what they're asking him what his favorite ice cream was and he had to look at his handler to try to decide yeah he's like oh he said chocolate all the vanilla people are going to be pissed yeah and i was like oh my god are you kidding you know it's it's uh it's exactly how they operate it's exactly how they operate so and it's it's what success this is like i'm suspicious if everyone makes it to the top because throughout your life you would have to corrupt yourself so many times in order to achieve that level of success or right of rising that high and i'm going i'm inclined i'm so cynical towards these people that i'm thinking if you made it that far there's a very good chance you're a very corrupt individual yeah i tend to agree with you on the majority right because it seems like when you look at historically whenever you have one reign of government last for a long time there's always weeds getting in there oh yeah and once those weeds are in there they fester and then they grow and they grow and it's kind of like you if you have a club of people who act a certain way you're only going to get into that club if you're the same right you know so like for example it's like we have a bunch of guys who are into do and particularly the more illicit or illegal or an ethical activity is the more difficult it is to get in there without being that way yeah because essentially everybody's kind of like blackmailing each other yeah and like you know if you leave we know the dirt that you have you know and we can expose that so it does kind of lend to the idea what you're saying which is like if you're in a high level of government you have to be corrupt yeah you have to be dirty somehow because they're not going to let you win otherwise because if you're if you're clean you're like oh man this guy's a liability because he has no dirt and then he knows he's excluded yeah you get excluded you're not going to make you're not going to be invited to the right parties and it sounds like it doesn't matter who it's actually how you rise up is going to the right parties is having all the right friends it's that social circle that you nurture like you you immerse yourself in corruption and then you become part of the problem now but if you actually stood your ground i don't think you would be i don't think you make it past the first layer like you would just get like immediately like oh you're not one of us you're not you know what i'm saying like i don't think but then they come after you they're like seriously like if anyone there's like there's like a nietzsche quote like anyone go around like how does it go yeah like i'm honest men would be hated in politics like i can't remember the exact quote but it's something to that extent it because he would not be he would not be playing the the the game right that's what they call it right um man it's i don't think there's any i don't think there's solutions people are always going to pursue their own self-interest above everything which is fair but like where are lines if there are no lines there like on what you can and can't do to pursue that now you just open pandora's box now you're talking about like anything goes as long as you win at the end right and we end up with pablo escobar being a hero you know that right like in the local community he was yeah he was very clever but not just i mean you can make an argument for poor people in medellin because he was giving him money you i can disagree with the argument but when i see like american teenagers walking around with pablo escobar t-shirt i'm always like what the the man is a mess but it's it's okay because he looked at all the money he had right one example out of many um yeah but hey i think we just solved the world's problems one more time dave vote for me and dave uh no man but uh it's always a pleasure man it's always fun good catch up um look it up look at all the the madness madness of an 01 fighter and and fighting the greatest boxer of all time hey man it was i i bet i if hazboola fights that other kid from tajikistan i'm going to watch it that's the fight i'll watch that because i i like to be entertained too but some of it is just overboard but for some reason i'm interested in seeing hezbollah fight the only thing i could say that's it's kind of a inspiring in a weird way is that getting famous now is easier than it ever has been in the history of the world yes because as long as you know how to gain social media yeah and and you know people are [ __ ] than the the paul brothers or whatever but yeah build your own youtube channel with 20 30 million people yay man it's work it's it's a lot of work it is it's just it's just work in a different avenue it just seems like that's not the way you're supposed to become a fighter with a chance to fight the greatest boxer yeah yeah it's a shortcut it's it's a weird way of getting there yeah right it's a different route it's a very different route but it gives everybody a chance hey you know like they said the next fight for mayweather pewdiepie pewdiepie is like the youtuber with the biggest chat he's got like 200 million policy enormous channels skinny i think uh scandinavian dude funny guy like he's the next fight he would bring like apparently when that guy or at least back when i was i heard about him he gets more people to watch him twitch or whatever than like an nfl football game does you know so it's it's crazy the scale that uh anybody could have now you know so that's the only inspiring thing i have if you have a really good message or good content or whatever that means nowadays you can become worldwide famous and yeah i don't think we've had any there's more celebrities now that has ever existed it's a profession yeah celebrities are professional famous for being famous it is it's a skill to become that i i see the skill there's no doubt there's a skill i'm learning what the usefulness of that skill is in the real world but again the real world has changed so much it's confused there's a there's a really good book i always recommend it's called liquid times by a polish anthropologist uh bauman zigman baldwin i can't remember his first embalming and in liquid times like it's it's an analysis of the 20th century right he's right in the 90s i think so the end of the 20th century and i think he passed away i believe he passed away before he saw social media he could only see it now but the point is it's the world is changing so quickly we have lost all sense of references right there's no more we lost track of of what you know like if like a hundred years ago you knew what you could plan the life of your children put your money into this send them to college whatever this is how you live your life there was a road map to live your life right and like the world is changing so quickly i think we lost all points of reference there's no more like what's what's the world going to be like in five years dave you don't like 100 years you can say there was very little was going to change yeah right like today you can't say that and like what's going to be a dominant currency in 10 years would you be willing to put all your money into the dollar in 10 years are the dollars a dominant world currency i'm not i'm not so confident lumber lumber i mean and you want to go and then you don't know you know you don't was saying like so there's there's a lot of like variables and yeah it's a very quickly changing world like unusually again this is a very strange time in history because it's i think there's that that charcoal the name was like a charlie how technology compounds on itself and it does like that right there in skyrockets because it builds on itself right yeah and we're living that right there i'm trying to go backwards now caveman days well i'm actually i think i told you that i was applying to for a hunting tag i want it but for bow hunting oh [ __ ] that sounds awesome yep i the last time i did hunting or i mean something the last time i did archery was in fifth grade i took archery class but essentially that means i don't know any archery now so i just took first class yesterday and i'm like i had essentially i have eight weeks to get myself up to par so when i was in costa rica i was like hiking with a backpack like added weight so i could simulate like rocking and whatnot uh so yeah i'm trying to go backwards but i think that there's a calling there there's something very natural about that oh yeah i think this hiking thing it's a like i don't know i don't remember hiking when i was a kid yeah but like now everyone goes hiking all the time i think it's the way of us like i think even the gym the gym is like a manifestation of a very primal environment yeah because we used to wrestle and fight before for sure so now we found a new way of doing it indoors right and like hiking is that we used to hunt uh and gather right like that's how we live the majority of our existence so i think it's a there's a there are callings or very natural ones that we still they're still in there right but we live in in the world of technology and i think that a lot of there's there's some there's a void there there's some things that are very natural and primal to us that we're not getting enough of yeah no but i took advantage of it this trip to costa rica we hiked pretty much every day going in rainforest waterfalls yeah i had a blast you know like to a point now i was telling my girlfriend jamie like we should be doing it more often here because it's a lot of hiking to do here in nevada it's not crap i mean yeah i mean you got to find the right days though because it could good man it's like you don't want to go hiking right now unless you go really early in the morning oh yeah right right yes right out here like red rock canyon yeah you're gonna just cook 120 degrees yeah yeah i i went walking for an hour yeah with it back on and it's hot but i tell you what the dry heat's a lot easier to deal with than the humidity you may when i was we went to this uh camp corcovada cocavada i think it's like a rainforest uh hike four hours robert i was wearing like these water boots that were up to my mid-calf and like halfway through right here because you're soaking wet i sweat so much that it poured all into my boots and it was up to here in my ankle in water yeah just like four or five inches of just sweat down my ankle i was like jesus christ man like it was just unbearable yeah like it it's nasty yeah here you i mean i walk for an hour with weights on and you barely i mean you're sweating but it that's what actually works like it evaporates and it cools you off you feel like okay you don't sweat a lot here like i you know it's like any in in a humid place like costa rica florida brazil is not that human not where i lived at least you feel like you have to shower like three times a day oh yeah like in vegas i only shower once a week and i'm fine all right dave i gotta get going man um guys it's a pleasure as always hope you guys enjoyed and uh yeah man let's do and hit another one next week yep if you're down absolutely all right brother good [ __ ] thanks ciao you