BTG 53 - Training with Purpose

[Music] hey guys what's going on david avalon here with my co-host robert drysdale for another episode of breaking the guard rob has been i think it's one of the longer delays hiatuses that we've had yeah man this has been like what almost a month maybe a month it's been a minute yeah it's been a while been a month um yeah just busy dave's traveling a lot i've been driving a lot work schedule but uh all good stuff i just got back by uh um from maui short little vacation with living life living talk about a life man and talk about every time i go to hawaii like anywhere in hawaii just like man this does not it does not get better than this i've been some i've been in many places man like i've been all over brazil um caribbean australia thailand mediterranean i think hawaii is my favorite i think oh it's just like the one place like man this is just absolutely magic just everywhere you go there's something beautiful to look at you know it's like oh there's that good beach over there there's no such thing in hawaii it's 360 you know like beautiful mountains and you know and and and water everywhere it's just incredible yeah my kids had a blast um it makes you think what kind of life you want to live you know sure whenever i'm in a place like that i always remember i told here i told this story recently i can't remember where it was the fisherman and the businessman ever tell you that yes yeah we did it yeah yeah and it always makes me remind you of that story it's like what's the point of it all like why are you working so what is it about accumulating wealth that is gonna make you so much happier at the end on the other side right yeah like it makes you think these things and like meanwhile this guy lives in a tent on the water in hawaii and fishes for a living like who's smart right like it makes you it just like makes you rethink priorities in life i guess it brings about the question like what is the the purpose of life then right because you could easily well not easily but you can definitely live that lifestyle where it's just about sustenance yeah right you don't need to accumulate anything you just need to be able to live day-to-day and ideally with some comfort right but you can live within your means and just enjoy yourself versus being what we consider highly productive and successful where i am you know you're conquering industry and you're producing things you're getting your name out there and i guess you can make the argument you're contributing more to society by true your efforts so it's i guess it depends where you want to be but i think at a certain i think it's second phases right at a certain point everybody wants to make their mark contribute yeah become somewhat famous at least have some type of impact on the world where you leave and like people know that i provided something it wasn't in vain my life was in advance i wasn't just an air mouth breather taking space yeah like i did something that helped you know my community whatever but then at a certain point it's like all right now it's time just to enjoy what the little time i have left it's called retirement yeah like that's that's i think that's like the natural progression of things he's like i've done my work now i'm gonna enjoy life and rest a little because you don't have the energy to do much else anyway i imagine you get to 70 it's harder and harder to have the energy to want to go out and conquer you know you probably i mean i know people mike my grandfather worked he was like 80. like he just never stopped started when he was eight years old he worked until he died 83. he had cancer that's why he stopped otherwise he would kept going you know but like it's it's it's different for everyone no but i'm with you man i think that it's it's uh like the meaning of things the real like what does it mean to you right i think a lot of people that stay on that treadmill for you to stay that motivated for that long i don't think that's money that motivates you it's the the actual accomplishment right because if i think a lot of these like superficial rewards they they're short-lived there's only so much like so many medals you can win before you're kind of writing like it's got to be for you to stay in jiu jitsu your whole life it can't be the middle it can be the reputation it's got to be something else right because it's shortly the same thing with like i think chasing money it's gonna be short-lived you're gonna run out of breath eventually because it's not enough motivation to stay on the treadmill you gotta really love what you're doing stay long-term you know i think at the most part that's true although you do have the jeff bases of the world yeah well we'll keep pushing by i i agree with your point like law averages like the majority of people are going to get tired of that at a certain point but i think jeff bezos loves what he does he just happens to make a lot of money i think if he made a quarter or a tenth of the money which is like not even in his case like you have to get 100 and i think he'd be doing even if he didn't make even if he made as much as me and you i i suspect he would be doing the same thing you know i think he just loves well i think guy for you to make that be that success with building something you have to love to build i think that's it's not it's something that doesn't i think that the the prime of keeps in that bed awake at night is not so much oh how much so much money at bank account i don't think that's what he's thinking about i'm thinking about what is my next move like what's the next move what's the next building block right you see a lot of people that are motivated solely by the money those are the ones that run out of breath i think i think the ones that are truly passionate about building are those are the ones most successful ones and if they happen to make a lot of money because you can be building your jujitsu career and not make anything like it's like like us you know or or you can you know building you can be building something like amazon at a time where no one thought it was going to be anything and it turned out to be the biggest company in history biggest corporation history they're bigger than governments yeah i think in his case and for a lot of people that stature it's just the driver power right yeah i think they it's not necessary i mean money is just a one measure of power but controlling the whole industry for example you've got to get a kick out of it yeah and you know like he just had his space flight yeah you know so that's obviously like well i guess i read somewhere that apparently his brother wanted to go to space like i guess when they were kids something like that so if that was the case man that's a pretty amazing thing is he competing with his brother still he's still like is this still like i don't know he took his brother with him oh he took his brother with him yeah yeah yeah yeah no it wasn't an evil thing i'm going to space you stay here on boring earth i guess they were trying to check off boxes because i guess he brought what would have been the youngest astronaut and the oldest astronaut him and his brother but then the faa decided you know what that doesn't meet the criteria for being an astronaut anymore what does it mean because apparently you have to reach a certain height i think they call it the cardin or i i probably have it wrong but still into that level that a certain height above the earth's atmosphere you're in space and they more than surpassed it but then they said you know what the criteria has to be that you have to be doing something useful or productive to the scientific community can't just be like a passenger and this uh shuttle was autonomous yeah you know they weren't doing anything they were just sitting there going up and going down and i guess the argument is like the the giant the giant metallic penis was going up there like what why would you choose that shape like why not a normal shaped rocket what's wrong with that that's what they mean the doctor evil comparison oh man but uh yeah so i guess the argument is it's kind of like if you flew in the airplane just as a passenger now you're a pilot like no you're just a passenger i guess i try to say you know you're not an astronaut because someone shot you into space you're an astronaut when you actually work in space okay it seems a little petty but i guess yeah now they're seeing that there's gonna this is possibly a trend going on like they're gonna start it's gonna be cheaper yeah then you're gonna everybody's now an astronaut because they got into space so i i get it it just seems like the timing could have been better you know it's a good point i ever thought about that yeah because you're technically if you're just like sitting there well you're not really you're just a passenger you're really just a tourist you know but i think elon musk was talking about like shuttles that go across the world through space and you make it to china in an hour so it wouldn't be like a 16 hour flight anymore it would be a one hour flight through outer space so you would go out of the or earth's orbit and then go to china or brazil or australia whatever and you'd be there in an hour or less that's why it's pretty amazing like i i'm i'm 100 in favor of that because like no one no one wants to waste the date that's how spoiled we are like back in the day people had to get on a ship across the atlantic and they were excited about it like yeah three months in the ocean you know like we're like oh man this is an eight-hour flight that's gonna take me all the way to europe and they're you know we're complaining but yeah it's gotten it's kind of more comfortable for sure no absolutely so i mean in regards to like that conversation we're just talking about power accumulation so i i think for sure that's something that motivates people who are that industrious you know because at a certain point the money doesn't mean anything anymore right well you couldn't spend it if you tried yeah like it's gonna last any time it's not about comfort anymore it's about i truly believe they just love to build and they're competitive of course they're watching the guys behind them immediately behind immediately in front of them right so we're in competition the whole time and i think that's part of the motivation but i think you have to it's like it's like jiu-jitsu you said i see this all the time you know you get these and back when we started like there were a lot less practitioners let's be frank yeah right but at the same time you knew because there was no money and there was no i mean for you to get a picture of gracie magazine like you have to win a world i mean that's a small picture maybe yeah there's no there's no recognition either you were doing it for the only reason you were doing is because you absolutely loved it right today because there's money being flooded into the sport you get more popular what happens is it draws a lot of people i don't think they have the right motivations and even though they're super into jiu jitsu for a while it lasts like three four years and once they see they're not gonna get what they were expecting out of it you can see them losing motivation they don't have the motivation to stick to it for 20 years because it's i don't think they're really passionate about it it's not jujitsu that they love it's what they think they can get out of jiu jitsu they're really all about right and then people like that when i and i watch them all the time and i'm like this guy is so and he's not into jiu-jitsu he's into what he thinks he's going to get at they run out of breath give it three four years and you sort of can see their motivation start going down because they're not doing it for the right reasons right that and that's true because when example when i started i paid to compete yeah right and not just like oh like nine or something like that just like in any like yeah you're gonna do a shoe fight they call us fifty dollars to get in to fight you know okay that's what it is you know so and it would never was i never had this idea that i was going to be rich and famous it never crossed your mind because it wasn't even a horizon yeah there was talk about mma out doing boxing one day that was the only thing we kind of believed in those days like you know anything other than that it was just like no there's no way it's gonna happen but even that quickly dissipated because i mean early 90s ufc had a lot of attention right but then once they went to the dark ages like early 2000s like nobody even heard of it anymore so you would be a fool to go into mma thinking i'm going to become oh absolutely yeah no you're just a tough guy and you want to prove yourself yes and that's and that's what it is so like you said like well in my gym when people first came in they were all lunatics yeah yeah they're like the crazy ones but they loved they but they were there for the right reasons yeah yeah because they wanted to train they went they they knew it and uh they enjoyed the art of it yeah they enjoyed being and and you're exactly right there was no expectation when people think oh they're there for them you gotta understand like newer generations you can say that yeah you can look at how much money conor mcgregor's making you can go like oh that's what i want okay that's your motivation but back in the day when mark coleman and mark kerr and randy was fighting those guys were fighting in that and that era right there right i mean there was nothing there yeah there was nothing i mean pride came about that was like a big because pride was being so much more than the ufc was you know in a day yeah but it was it was even it was a small window too it wasn't a big one and like i feel like the same guys were taking advantage of it always half dozen people that actually were consistently making big money from pride most people were still on the fringes of the art yeah yeah right now mma does present an opportunity for a major athlete because there's still relatively not a lot of competition when you compare it to like nba nha nhl all that you don't have to go through a college program and excel in college and then go into it and you know like i forgot what they call it intermediate between like pro and college okay with this but like there's a lot of tiers you have to get through before you get to the top in mma you can just fight pro right from the get-go yeah and get on one of these shows and now you're in the big time i think the the latter is definitely shorter i will say this though man i i mean i grew up in brazil i've seen there's like a professional team in my hometown and i've seen them practice their practice isn't that hard i mean they got good cardio i mean soccer is like yeah they gotta make it i've seen like i i used the conditioning gym here in vegas and the unlv football team would come over and do conditioning with us and i'm not trying to [ __ ] on soccer and football here just be honest like i'm watching their physical conditioning like they're training and i'm like i'm not impressed like it i think it is easier like when it comes to physically for fighting like and like other sports i mean i think gymnastics is brutal i think there's some sport don't get me wrong i'm not saying it's the hardest even though i think fighting physically is probably top five one of the hardest things you can do physically right because it's so demanding but a lot of the even though like i can see you're saying like the latter is longer it might be harder to go because you have to start you know you start with high school middle school that's with your career yeah when you start building mma you get the phenoms guys that just rise to the top very quickly you know like two three years fighting next to you know they're winning making millions in ufc yeah rare rare but it does have but like the training is so much harder it's definitely a lot more strenuous but if you have that and if you're athletic and you have the ambition though there is an opportunity because right now i think conor mcgregor is the number one athlete in the world sports which is i mean but that's not just from sports that's from a lot of endorsements well he had that yeah the whiskey the whiskey thing that made it over like a hundred million something like that so he sold it so like that was the bulk of it but still he would have never had that platform without the mma career because the ufc provides such a megaphone or marketing yeah if you know how to use it like someone like conor did oh you can blow up you know there's certain guys there who are doing really well with that and even like this kid like uh sean o'malley uh the sugar foot whatever a bunch of times i mean he's i don't know the appeal is not there for me he's making money you know he's got his own i don't know what yeah i think he has something to do with snoop dogg i can't even keep up late yeah he said something about it i can blew him up if you understand the opportunity and know how to use it yeah you can blow yourself up much faster right so in that sense it is going to attract a lot more athletes versus what i call like warriors right like when mma started everybody was a warrior they got into it yeah because there's no other incentive right you're not playing a game you're there to fight because you want to prove yourself but when you're there from for money or fame now you might not be you know what i consider a warrior someone who's willing to die for fighting like you're just there to cash in and then pop out different motivation man so there is a different motivation and i think even like in jiu jitsu like you're saying that can start creeping in now because there's more money than there ever has been and there's also more exposure yeah than there ever has been i mean you can have someone like um and just i guess the nature of the world now with podcasts and all that hey joe rogan says your name a couple of times yeah it says king maker yeah yeah like this guy uh and i blow i tell people all the time it doesn't work the knees over toes guy have you heard that guy you were talking about the it's like squatting all that i heard about it from joe rogan that guy's everywhere now you know good for him it's a it's a good product for sure so like if you have a good message and you can get on the right channel yeah hey we can tune in so now like jiu-jitsu is kind of like that like and he's blowing people up all the time you know craig jones gordon ryan yeah uh a lot a lot of these kids are and it's great you know it's good for the movement but as you said it kind of it could i guess we could say corrupt like your motivations for it yeah and and the other if you're not going to make it to an elite level without the right motivations you can have all these things coexisting with the right motivation so you get like someone like conor who is an exceptional athlete he's a good fighter but i don't i wouldn't rank him the top ten of all time like most people would but like but he has the right motivation he loves fighting and he was the most successful financially speaking fighter of all time in mma at least right so these things co-exist but like i just i i i remember my thing was quentin jackson was the only one think i think he made like 200 dollars his first fight i remember it's like 300 or something like that i remember like talking to joan bertoba hito who we interviewed for the documentary and he was telling us this isn't off it wasn't it's not on the book but like just you know yeah conversation off he's like we used to fight every weekend and he got cut you stitch up you know what you do you go back you had stitches and you go back fighting bear knuckles used to fight every weekend and that's just like to break even pay the bills like it was just like that was the lifestyle you want to be a fighter you fight every weekend so you have like maybe two days training you know whatever days off resting and then you fight again on saturday like you know you get you're injured and you fight there's no such thing as oh i hurt my knee i can't fight it's not just saying you just go and they're like man that's hardcore but those were the early days right that's how it was and there's been a progression but just think about what your motivation would have to be in the middle of nowhere in brazil fighting like that to make nothing yeah like you have to absolutely love fighting like that guy you can you cannot question his motivation because there's nothing there there's no i mean yes i'm pressed there's some press but it's not a lot you know like no one's gonna get rich from it back in the day 1930s 40s 50s you kidding me yeah like people weren't even thinking about this but these guys were like smaller arenas banging it out headbutts elbows knuckles dude that's brutal [ __ ] yeah bare knuckles tough you know it's up on the hands dude that's what i mean yeah you break your hands you know because everyone think i mean people that don't you know blissey may not know this but the hand the gloves yeah they protect they prevent cuts on the face because it's gonna it's gonna do that it's to like with enough vaseline it's going to yeah a little bit right not a lot but a little bit but you're going to get cut less but really what it does it protects the hands because one of the worst things that can happen even with gloves you hurt yourself you punch someone in the forehead like if you jab someone or right hand someone on the crown of their forehead you're far more likely to i mean you might rock the guy a little bit with the impact but it hurts your hand too if you're not punching right yeah even professional boxers break their hands this is not a good target at all no it's not i mean they'd be able to teach you to give the forehand without a jabbing like you lean in and kali yeah yes and you put your forehead into the jab which is i don't think is a good idea i'd rather move out of the way yeah because it's still impact right it can be good on the brain yeah but it does damage i mean especially if you're not you know placing your hands correctly this is why i think we were talking about this a while ago like about people that that they're taught to like push the bag with no gloves yes i think that's great train for mma because it teaches hand placement big gloves did not teach that because you can punch almost like anyway with big gloves and not hurt yourself yeah i know i when i did my bow dog fight in costa rica people asked me how come you weren't grappling more it's because my trainer at the time wrapped my hands in a kickboxer so tight i was i had like a cast on my hand so great for hitting though because i couldn't feel anything on my hand i could swing hammers which is what i was and those days you could put there's no commands you could put tape on your hand you could tape your hand they had a commission there so it was yeah per spec but you wouldn't normally wrap an mma guy like that because he won't grab because it was just so thick you know but it was uh by regulations because they do inspect it but i remember i was just overhand rights from ground and pound all day you know and no pain whatsoever you know it was just solid but you can't really grab that way but that's the difference like when you train with a head with a glove it's kind of similar you know like a big glove especially if you got hand wraps underneath it and then you feel invincible most people do yeah you can just swing and your hand might be a little bit loose it doesn't matter i think the one thing i always have to caution people is when you do go make that transition to go bare knuckle when you hit pads or gloves punch a lot softer yes yeah you gotta you gotta build up you gotta get yeah and you get used to really placing your hands you just swing your heart you can you're gonna roll your hand because you're gonna realize oh crap i it's one thing to have a closed fist it's another thing to have a really tight fist completely different completely different and you can have a lot of power on your shoulder if your hand at the end of the spear like your hand doesn't isn't prepared for the impact that power you have works against you your hands have to be ready to be at the end of that sort of power that your body is going to put into it you know and the other thing is it's tiring yeah which is why you you're supposed to have open hands yeah be enclosed right on impact people would be like oh why don't you just always have clothes you're going to hit like this because if you were doing your bite you would be tired yeah and you're exhausted yeah and then when you actually hit your hand's not going to be tight enough yes so i think it was a i want to say to damien my but it could be some other grappler don't quote me on it but i think it was damien he wouldn't tape his hands at all he would ask commission not to put it but he just went to gloves i know people that do that yeah yeah because they just wanted like they know that they're not going to win by knockout or maybe like but like it's unlikely they think he's going to win but knock is far more likely to catch her naked choke and rather has as much freedom for his hands as possible i thought it's a great idea as long as you're not throwing a lot of overhand rights yeah that's the only thing you wouldn't want to throw with like no wrap on your hands at all because you land one on top of the head which is likely yeah which is that's when we're throwing over the top there's a good chance you're gonna land that overhand on top of your opponent's head um yeah man but it's i think it's smart like to have because at the pump to your hands get swollen just think like in a graphic match how swollen your hands are now you add tape and gloves to that imagine when your hands feel under i mean you probably felt that because if your hands were taped so tight i've always from day one i'm always aware of this i always ask them to wrap my hands very lightly and put as less tape there as possible and i had one fighter who's actually a really good knockout puncher one punch ko but he only wanted uh wrapping just around the knuckles nothing on the wrist nothing he wanted this to be mobile yeah but just some padding on the front you know for punching i don't see why he just preferred it but this guy could lay people out for grappling having the freedom of the wrist like makes perfect sense yeah um yeah that's awesome man like i like there's there's a part of me that kind of misses a day with no gloves because i think people were more careful about i think in some ways a favorite grapple is talking about this was someone i can't remember who it was it's like yeah like no gloves are better for grapplers and then i'm thinking myself i was like that actually makes a lot of sense because it'd be less punching like the striker would be less more worried about throwing like because of his hands so he's placed that he's more careful about his hands for sure less risk for us and how much easier is it to choke someone when you have no gloves on oh tremendously oh my people don't realize how and i always have my mermaid guys practice with gloves because it's a whole different bowling you never see this or naked choke with gloves very rarely it's much more difficult like you see this guy and there's a reason for that this guy is not as strong for those of you are listening i'm doing the gable gripper nikhichokis weaker but easier to get with gloves than the traditional arena choke with one arm behind the head which is very difficult to get with gloves yeah i mean especially the hand fighting is so much harder because it's already a problem that you grab the glove with just bare-handed you know if you have someone who's good where they could choke the fence yeah you got the gloves now it's you have to get that thicker thing under the chin and not to mention you have the guy easier grip thing to grab pull down so it definitely makes it a lot harder it's more of an art form to be able to use the the gloves and still be effective at attacking the neck yeah but i think there's an element that i do appreciate what i would think would be more realistic as far as fighting bare knuckle because it kind of adds another factor to worry about right because when you're wearing wraps and gloves you rarely have to worry about hand integrity yeah i can always swing hard and i'm okay but if you didn't have that yeah i have to pick shots more carefully like you said especially when you're in the guard because the angles are kind of funny and you don't want to hit that hard all the time yeah it's more about placement yeah exactly because the placement becomes a lot more important i know like in my fight i was just swinging you know like and that goes i wasn't even looking boom because it didn't matter i could hit the floor it wasn't going to hurt me but if i was bare knuckle i i couldn't throw that many shots and the other thing people might not realize when you're going ground pound because you're at this angle because you're diagonally punching somebody it's not a normal angle to hit somebody especially like with straight punches or whatnot it kind of changes how you want to land uh that's why i i favor overhands a lot because like if you're trying to catch the chin punching like this it's not the ideal angle to to rock the chin but if i can overhand it now i can glance it oh yeah it gets the point when you could turn the chin out sideways that's when you really yeah that's when you already clip somewhere yeah because i think it takes more damage it makes sense like i think you probably absorb damage better if it's straightforward i don't know if you're doing that but it's it's much more rare to see someone get knocked down straight you know that's true you know normally it's the sideshot sideways temple shot you know behind the ears always gets people down yeah that's a little different though that's more like but it's it wouldn't be a straight punch it'd still be a like yeah yeah and i think it also has a lot to do with not seeing it as clearly right because even when the punch hits you but it's coming from the front yeah you're seeing it somewhat and your body's taking some compensating behavior yeah right but when it gets you from the side chances are you didn't see it and you totally catches your blind side yeah well that's what like people that get knocked out they say i've been dropped i've been knocked out but i've been dropped twice in practice like never been knocked down five like in practice like not out cold but out right like would have been a ref stoppage for sure and both times i don't remember what happened i had to be told what happened because i probably had my eyes closed or i'm looking away or like you know like something because i've been dude i'm not saying that i have like like a strongest chin in the world but i've been hit in the face by vandalism a bunch yeah it's not funny never you never because like you know if you're if you see a punch coming at you there's something about your brain i think prepares you for impact sure and like you do something that you just react to the the thing is when you're looking away you're it's like you're in the dark like if you blink or if you got your eyes off target whatever the case you're not preparing you're not bracing for that impact i think that's a big part of knockouts because most people are going to talk they'll tell you i didn't see it coming what happened what happened is like one of the most common questions you've seen guys are getting standing back up they're still on the ground they go like what happened has no idea if it was a kick a knee a left hook clueless right and you've seen some guys take beatings in there and like man that should have not i truly think it has to do with attention this is why i think like eye placement is so important just like kind of maintaining that focus it's something you have to practice too because you see guys shadow boxing looking down i used to do it it's like awkward looking forward the whole time like it's easier to just look at the ground but it becomes a habit after a while you know like little things like that i think the accumulation of like the these little things in practice you don't realize how much they impact your performance because i always i always say this to my students the biggest live fighter ever told himself or herself is i'll be different when i fight oh i train this way coach but don't worry when it comes you know a fight day i'll be different it's the biggest lie and everyone tells themselves those lies because you think you're going to be different no you're not you're going to be exactly who you train how you train every day right my brother used to have that pet peeve about shadow boxing yeah because shower boxing you can see people developing horrible habits oh yeah it's like are you going to punch people with your hands open john jones or they know it's closed right and likewise they just punch to punch like you said they're not even looking forward they're looking down yeah he's like they're trying to look cool more than actually trying to my brother always he does this whole shout out boxing workout the idea is you should have an imaginary target in front of you and i'm fighting this imaginary guy and when i slip it's not because i'm just slipping because oh this is part of the routine i'm visualizing a jab coming at me okay slip outside i'm going to return uppercut left hook boom elbow right yeah or left hook i'm bobbing and weaving it's not just like i'm going through the motions because essentially then you're just doing garbage right you're just pumping out stuff without having a stimulus so it takes more work because you have to actually imagine and keep a target in front of you imaginary target like okay this guy is throwing a 1-2 so a lot of times my brother he'll do shadow boxing workouts but the two people facing each other and then they're working off each other because you're punching and now i say you're doing a jab okay then i'm slipping that jab and i'm going through so it's kind of it's shout out boxing but with a with a partner but it makes it better because now at least i have a it's easier to imagine because the guy's actually in front of me versus having to create and maintain this like imaginary target but to the point you train how you fight how you train and if you're training like you know just open hands looking down or just throwing punches for no reason no target yeah it's gonna affect you it's it's and it's not real it's like your practice you might as well be playing different sports like it's like you're preparing yourself for something that's not realistic and this is why i like kind of transitioning to similar going off that right there's like how a lot of people drill and i've always i i've never drilled i've i used to flow row a lot and do specific positions like i'm going to start at half court oh yeah half guard doesn't matter yeah you're going to do a half court that that's we call it drilling you pick a position and you have to force yourself to play in that position and but i never drill the way people drill today and i'm watching a lot of what these guys are doing and like to me it's just like the way wrestlers drill to me makes sense like with half resistance like oh it's very realistic it's almost like combat to me that's very intelligent because like you're preparing because if i go zero resistance learning to move to full resistance practice right live action yeah there's a gap there that most people cannot bridge after 20 minutes of practice move because no matter how much well you want to assimilate that move in memory terms your body is not used to those reactions so practicing at half speed i think is a very good bridge between learning to move with no resistance and applying the move full force right so like this is why to me drilling with resistance is the only thing that makes sense when i see a lot of these kids it's like the classic one is like place the hand underneath the shuffle your feet around and i'm going you know i'm talking about there's one guy laid down yeah and then the other one places it and then he just like shuffles his feet like in a half moon conditioning and i'm going yes i'm going like the 23 almost 24 years of jujitsu dave i have never seen anyone pass anyone's guard like that like it's like it'll be like jogging like there's some footwork going on there's some cardio you know it's conditioning whatever but you're not making your jujitsu better by jogging you're not improving your jiu jitsu by shuffling your feet like that there has to be some element of live resistance and i see it all the time and i see these guys spinning a lot of times doing this and stuff and it's always by oh so-and-so told me to drill it's like i was always someone else telling them to drill and i know a lot of these guys and all these guys these guys don't drill like that but they they talk about it because it helps them you know promote their brand people listen because people want a recipe people like everyone wants to be successful no one wants to learn how to be successful in their own because it's too hard they want a recipe this is why everyone's always looking up to someone who's done it and go tell me what i need to do to be like you right and that works so well but the problem is somewhere along the lines people the people who are on top who are in the position to give these lessons they're no longer being honest they're just giving you [ __ ] because it's going to sell and there's plenty of [ __ ] out there because if you were honest the number one advice you would give a guy who wanted to be a champion would be how about you spend less time worried about all those little things you're worried about and just like show up to the gym every day like little things like that no one wants to hear that but that's let's just be frank that's 99 of the equation is just show up stop over things show up and go to war every day try to win when people have that what's it like okay show up to the gym every day and make sure you win every round try to win every single round don't lose a single fight like battle every that's it right and then of course there's methodology for diet for you know i i'm not against drilling per se but i'm against wasting your time things aren't going to help you there's so much of that going on and i'm watching it's like man you're just frying your nervous system and there's zero benefit to your jiu jitsu yeah the the whole thing with drilling especially now that my joints are not as cooperative right is that you want to use drilling as a substitute for live combat because it's safer yeah and as you said you can bridge a skill gap that you might not be able to in a live opponent yeah so i learned to take the technique the first time around you can't do it with any resistance that's what i call the practice phase when you're like you're just going to let me do it yes that's not drilling right it's just it's learn to move yeah i'm trying to get the concept of how this move works and i need to do it with like essentially a dummy right then drilling you incorporate some resistance to it and you're executing full speed full power and the idea here is that you're saying one i'm building proficiency in a technique with minimal resistance in an ideal situation there's very low chance of injury because we both know exactly what's going to happen right you're going to do this i'm going to do that yeah you know the injuries happen when something unexpected yes it's not controlled right that's life combat right so live combat is generally where everybody gets hurt yeah it's very rare someone's feeling like arm bars you're going ah yeah yeah i've never had that in my life take downs yes maybe even so it's rare yeah yeah and again even with takedowns what happens is someone threw somebody back right yeah someone fell the wrong way right so something unexpected happened you didn't fall the way you were supposed to fall like i didn't take you down the way you were supposed to but if you're drilling properly everything's being done properly no problems and then of course live combat you have full resistance you have unknowns but if you can hit it in live combat obviously that's a great metric like okay i can do this i understand this technique well but like you said the problem with life combat it's a lot tougher in the body it's a lot of unknowns you can get hurt easy you know you can you also it's harder to do all the time for those reasons so you can't spend two hours sparring every day if if you are you're not really spying that hard though right no 100 yeah but i can't spend two hours drilling every day yes and get a lot of benefit yes so some people could say well this firing is more beneficial perhaps but they then again you can only spend like maybe 20 30 minutes heart sparring yeah and then you might not be able to spar tomorrow yeah just because of fatigue but i could drill for at least an hour yeah every day no problem and be able to come back so it's just more about time invested yeah i could spend a lot more time doing it and then as you mentioned because there's less resistance there's better likelihood that you'll be able to do the technique properly you know so that's the benefit of drilling so like in my school without you getting comfortable wrestling background all that we invest a lot of time in drilling because we can't yeah and then of course we do our sparring as well and like i always tell people for me sparring is a feedback loop because whatever happened in sparring that went wrong i have to plug that back in to your drilling like first to my practice right because i got to figure out what i misunderstood about the concept of technique and then once i correct that then the drilling reinforces yeah the new model of what this is and then we try it again you know so i think they're all important but for me the bulk of my time is spent when i was training would be for drilling and then sparring is just the feedback loop yeah but uh do you think that rest is i always i never wrestle in high school or college my wrestling comes from mma and grappling or whatever you think that one reason why they drill so much and i always thought this of judo and wrestling is because there's so much more impact in judeo and wrestling than there is in grappling on the ground like jiu jitsu ground nuaza that they kind of like if you're if you're only exclusively practicing on the ground there's so much because there's less impact you can have a 70 30 ratio so 70 live rolling 30 drilling for example even more you can even have you wouldn't be able to go as long i agree with you if you're going live live you're probably cutting your practice at an hour just over an hour maybe and that's you're exhausted by that you might have to take the next day off yeah whereas in wrestling i feel like it's even more exhausting an hour of live wrestling yeah exactly it's even more exhausting because you can't break when you're standing someone's shooting and sprawling your back up it's harder than on the ground physically and b like there's so much more impact the risk of injury i mean it's three fourfold like most injuries i've seen witness in my life come from transitions between standing and ground yep like it's the transition like you see injuries from sweeps and passes submissions are the thing that hurt people the least everyone's panicking about like heel hooks and that i'm like that's not the one that hurts people the most like not even close it's transitions on your face it's stand up this is why your guru okana wants to make something safer and he removes all these submissions i got so much [ __ ] for this when i said this i said this in an interview in brazil and like i had the judo community entirely on my side and then they kind of flipped the other way because of what i just but i basically go i don't think jigoro khan really had a deep understanding of grappling because you would have not had i mean it's not a tempo like to do because like you why why would you why would you eliminate what is le i mean the takedowns are far more dangerous like if you're talking about health and you're talking about physical integrity you would eliminate takedown so i'm not suggesting we do that but that's what you would do if you really were safeguarding health right that were your main concern the major injuries i've seen in the gym were mainly take down related i've had two guys again scissor sweep broken jimbo and i remember had a kid break his arm posting on the mat i've seen that a lot in wrestling too where they're slamming and began because wrestling oh those are the worst yeah because in wrestling they don't want you to break fall because that would be a takedown so you're trying to post out oh that's right so like you know a lot of times you do that posts it's all you can't control what's what's coming behind it yeah and boom you'll see kids snapping i have a herniated disc on my neck because of these things um i mean there's so much like ribs knees like there's so much that can go wrong in in wrestling for sure that's why i actually think this is why i'm going back to my question yeah could that be why they have a ratio of maybe 30 70 30 lives 70 drilling i don't know what rest i mean maybe even less maybe 20 80. whereas in jiu jitsu is the opposite yeah i think from my rough memory of my childhood teenage years when i was wrestling because i only wrestled in high school uh we would have three hour practices and there was maybe 30 minutes of life the rest was drilled yeah or there's practice of course learning new techniques so that's conditioning 80 20 ratio more or less something like that it was like 30 minutes of life you know wrestling matches and at least in high school level are six minutes long you train for three hours for six minutes yeah but it's a it's a real six minutes because the other thing is the pace is very different right it's go go go yes no break the uh jiu jitsu guys would have no idea the the pacing because wrestling in jiu-jitsu world is very slow-paced like we're like yeah you take your time and there's a lot of distance and then people move in and then they back and move in and everybody's very scary to shoot because they're all going to get guillotine they're going to get you know kimura dropped or something that happens yeah you have to be a lot more cautious about shooting you know whereas in wrestling they you're starting from touching range and you stay in touching range the whole time if you back out that's stalling so just even taking a step back you have to be engaging the whole time you're engaged the whole time essentially you're almost forehead to forehead the whole match and it's not like i can just sit here for like 30 seconds that's stalling awesome so it's go go go go go go go go it's a six yes it's a six minute sprint with weights on right yeah so it's brutal now if you're going to do 30 minutes of that it's also brutal you know so yeah the it would be like introduced to the closest thing when you do like scramble drills like like we used to do that we have people start sitting on their back each other you have 20 seconds scramble come on and those suck you know but that for six minutes right someone will get hurt eventually right so i think that is very true what you're saying part of the reason why the trainings are structured the way you are now to be fair in my experience i've never had a major energy injury from takedowns all my injuries came from submissions you getting caught in submissions yes so are you oh yeah man i because i i don't have that same i wonder is you because you're not tapping fast or are you going cranking you both really i can't remember last time i've been injured by someone i've had uh [Music] well my elbows never been a factor really knees but first time i really hurt my knee i was actually doing a knee slicer on somebody yeah i was like oh it was my speedo i had him i tapped him like three times in a row with a knee slicer and then the fourth time or third time i was gonna catch him he freaked out and started rolling and i just heard and i thought he shredded his knee i'm like oh george you messed her knee up he's like that wasn't my knee i was like oh gosh that's the first time i heard it i hurt my knee a second time later on doing the same thing and then i said you know what no money slicers you got it there's too much reliability you have to really the thing is that if you're trying to be nice to somebody you'll hurt yourself like i figure with a knee slicer i gotta i gotta shred you first because if you start freaking out yeah and i'm loose my knee's in a bad spot and then the air times were off heel hooks and knee bars that either were over cranked like the pahara situation when they stopped it and they cranked it anyways or uh me and my brother just being stubborn eating ankle blocks i can see that yeah yeah i know my brother's elbows like him for for whatever reason he would get caught up more and he'll just let him you know you just take it you know like he's like in his mind you would never tap to an arm bar you know that's yeah see but it's funny for me there was a limit that would tap to a joint lock to a choke i'll sleep you know i i i i wouldn't really care you know if i if i can get out of it i'll get out of it i had a lot of trust on the referee and everyone else yeah i died you know like for me that's the mindset i had but i never got into something like that's a misconception people have oh you you know you're just stupid you're gonna tap out of pride you're not gonna tap out of pride it wasn't that i always felt i had a chance out like i remember the one time i got put to sleep in competition it was tarsus we were in double overtime and he had a rear naked choke on me full in i remember that and i was just thinking how i'm gonna win how i'm gonna win and i was just trying to fight hands he's got no hooks it's kind of overboard isn't like some sort of like that i don't know well he initially had no hooks so i was fighting it but then he got the hooks in so that's when i was thinking how i'm going to win because i did get four points yeah and then next thing i knew was looking at the ceiling you know so it wasn't like oh i hate this guy i'm not going to give him the satisfaction with a tap i'm just going to sleep like no it never was that you know and same thing with the joint locks like uh i never like when they've restarted me with players it wasn't like i'm not going to attack you because i don't like you it's like how am i going to win this losing is never an option for me as a competitor yeah it's never something i'm going to say okay i lost like i've never lost with grace yeah some people like oh you know like instead of going berserk you should just like resign oh yeah i can't understand that that doesn't happen that means you lost like minutes ago days ago you mean you walked in there already not believing it yeah yeah like i know i went one with i mean it's happened to me a few times like when i fought monson or uh what's his name david terrell there's like i'm down by two points 30 seconds left i'm throwing flying triangles and you know doing all sorts of crazy stuff i remember with monster i hurt my neck throwing a flying triangle that just just slid right off of him but it's like i'm not gonna lose with grace because in losing it's not something i accept you know i'm doing everything i can to me like if i lose a match because of points it's because i ran out of time you know you give me more time i'll wear you out and you say grace and you say grace but go like you know that means you don't mean disrespectful towards your opponent yeah but like and this is you know something i've always been aware of you you it's fine to be angry when you lose and you shouldn't have grace but it should always be internalized like what am i doing different what am i doing wrong i'm the ones that keep fighting never like i think that's what people you say like when you say losing without i think a lot of people might misunderstand you and mean that you're supposed to be an [ __ ] to your opponent afterwards oh right now yeah i know you don't mean that but like because when you say grace people think oh it's okay someday you win some things you lose like you shouldn't be thinking like that you should be pissed off that you just lost but it's never projected it's always internalized by the difference is that even like i'm angry you know i guess it depends on what happened in the match but like i've i've grappled jeff twice lost on both times first time was kind of bs i had a crap call second one he legitimately got me but i was never mad at him because first of all the like even when you get gypped of calls the competitor didn't do it to you yeah i get mad at referees when they give a [ __ ] call i'm like this guy messed me up man yeah you know and one crap call it kind of changes the whole dynamic of a match you know because if you lost two oh yeah like it's now the whole strategy has changed because what would have happened if one reset will do it yeah like if i didn't have those two points back you know then i would have strategized everything very differently but when you're two points back now everything changes but even then like the only time i felt like upset at a competitor was probably with the paharis because it was against the rules you know right uh but other than that i've lost to people and like man fair game yeah but yeah i think i think that you have to be like that towards your opponent but at the same time and i say this my tells my students just like even in the gym someone passes your guard and you're not chewing on that on your way home you're missing out an opportunity to learn i think that's a good thing that if you walk off the mats not patting yourself on the back or the blue belts and the purple two tapped but rather thinking about the brown belt who passed your guard and why you're gonna make a lot more progress like this is the kind of stuff that people are talking about like what's you know how to get good at jiu jitsu what's the secret right this is the stuff that i to me is like everything yeah like using every single loss as an opportunity to actually improve like taking take notes if you have to this is how many times i got tapped today and and then just spend the next day thinking about how you're going to solve that problem so you come back the next day with a new mindset i think very few people do these things my brother and i were filming our matches back in the 90s smart i always have right so i never had to like get angry at unnecessarily because when i lost it all right let's look at the tape what happened like i got into doing half guard because i lost i've i actually my first pro grappling super fight was against uh gordo i felt carrera you know the inventor of the modern or accredited half guard yeah the modern half guard right and at that time this was probably like 19 or like maybe 2000 like nobody was really at least in my training half car was just an intermediate position yeah you know like nobody actually yeah halfway to my guard yeah you know you just like you got stuck there and then you get out of it you shrimp your way out um so when i grappled him he ended up beating me he swept me twice i think i took him down or passed his guard or something like that he beat me with a last minute half guard sweep and then i filmed everything and i just studied the video like 30 times and i learned okay he does his little body lock half part sweep he does this thing and i started doing it in my training like you were saying like i call it situational drills right where i just put myself in that position and figure it out yeah and i i was just playing half car the whole time and then i ended up getting a decent half guard i came up with some of my some of my own sweeps you know and it became an asset to me but there's no reason you can't do that in training either now like i was talking before like i'm filming myself uh shooting with a bow and arrow yeah and then i'll watch and see okay what did i do with the release how was my posture where was my shoulder proper alignment and you have to document this it's huge because like you know i forget who says this but what isn't measured isn't improved right so one way of measuring yourself is filming yourself and especially nowadays everybody has a phone so everybody has a camera put it on the side film yeah it's so much easier like you know you're right like you know late 90s early 2000s you had to have like vhs it was it was a lot more work to get record that's why i have like whatever is i think i have one vhs tape of me as a blue belt somewhere and then whatever's on youtube which is not a lot like i have close to none of my matches every now and then someone will like it's happened like two or three times in the last couple years like an old opponent when i was a purple brown but like hey this is me grappling robert dryzo in 2002 or three and then they posted on their instagram like oh [ __ ] that's me it's a brown belt like i never seen microsoft grapple as a brown belt or the purple belt you know people and then i you know that's you keep that as as is something valuable but i recommend people record all their matches i think that's a great habit not only for i think for historical purposes too not just for your own self-development i think that things should be recorded if you have the ability and technology to do it why not yeah like them how much more we would know about the history of everything if we had better records oh absolutely like you know history i mean when you're talking about like newspapers and articles and oral testimony and all these things it's like you're it's like it's very thin like the very fin if you build a case with that is extremely difficult i wonder how history is going to be written 50 years 100 years from now when the technology the ai is going to be so sophisticated it's probably gonna i mean it might be right in history for you which is kind of scary too but i think that these things are like you have to record these things if you have the ability to do it when i was a kid used to talk like oh you should have a diary you know like that's that's what you should have a diver and record your date i thought that was stupid i look at that completely differently oh man i wish i had a diary and if i'd written in like five because i think it's it's i mean so it's actually self-reflection to i think just writing about your day and what you're doing and what you're thinking about but i think it's just recording things is is there's something very special about in terms of identity and i think a lot of people missed anything history is about memorizing old dates and things that aren't relevant to their present and future when they're in fact they're extremely relevant yeah and especially with video because you capture a lot more right like a written testimonial is a lot of opinion yeah so exactly it's pretty much all opinion right that you're being putting up not supposed to like good journalism and good history writing is it's supposed to be devoid of opinion yeah it's yeah it's almost impossible yeah it's very biased right and you there you're only listening to the things that this guy deemed yeah important you know but when you have video you see everything yeah the only thing you're missing out on are really our smell and i guess that sixth sense that this you know the aura of the room yeah yeah 100 yeah you can you walk into a fight locker room and you smell tension yes yes it's hard to explain but you're talking about you can get that in video that's the only thing that's missing though you're right everything else is in which is incredible because you know i think and i think technology might solve that one too i think ai and virtual reality might be able to create these environments in the future that'll be interesting they could as far as because it's a real thing right that the energy of the room the aura of a problem that's the best thing about it yeah and some people don't might not appreciate that as much because you haven't been in real stressful situations but like fight rooms are highly stressful right because there's so many people that are inked up i think you go walk in there with your eyes closed and know something's up oh yeah i i believe him like it's it's something in the air it's the i would love to do an experiment of that actually you know like a blind person bring someone in like hey i'm just going to show you to the random place they've had their ears covered eyes covered bring them in and then ask them you know how are you feeling right now you know yeah because there's at least when you're have all your senses engaged your heart rate goes up you know like everything's pumping yeah and like for example like you can the silence says a lot too so if you see a room and you know it's like you know full of like guys or alphas and they're all very quiet it's terrifying thanks you know what i'm talking about like these are killers you know they're all very quiet it's almost like you want them to be talking because you get a picture of what's going through their head when they're talking right when they're silent you're like what does this guy think it creates tension right he's like yeah there's a lot of attention in the fight room and not to mention what ends up happening to the coaches and corners especially me yeah i always do i feel like an idiot like i'm shadowbox look at that idiot coach shadowbox you can't help it yeah yeah it's like next time i'm shadowbox in the locker room with my fight i didn't just it just happens it's all the time like to the point when i'm watching fights on tv and i'm interested in them not just like passively watching them yeah i'm shadow boxing also it's it's almost like i had like a sympathy with the fighter that or empathy rather that i'm feeling what they're feeling and if i was feeling that that means i want to get moving right yeah i had that nervous energy you know yeah when you're not invested in watching the fight or it's whatever like you'd be on your phone you can yeah you don't care but no i'm with you i remember everyone fights that means something to me it's like a friend or something i'm really emotionally involved in i catch myself like slipping punches for them yeah like i'm playing because my girlfriend you know like stop shout out boxing likes bobbing and weaving like am i moving my feet like it's almost like you're trying to because you're so involved in what's happening like you're sending like good energy or something anyway um dave i gotta get going man i got a long day ahead of me i gotta make up for that i got like 200 emails in my inbox so that's that's gonna be my sunday but uh man it's a pleasure as always um this has been fun i hope you guys enjoyed and uh yeah i guess we'll do another shoot another one next week next week yes sir actually but it might be in a little bit no yeah well you gotta go somewhere yeah yeah i'm gonna be well i have my camp here oh that's right you gotta cam come out yeah coming up in the well tuesday so and then after that i'm going hunting so it's right after that camp so hopefully the next time you see me i'll have a freezer full of elk oh okay yeah now we'll do that and when you're back then we'll get another one in and uh in the meantime train hard guys show up uh yeah stay awesome love you guys see you guys next time ciao [Music] you