BTG 56 - Heavy Lies the Crown

[Music] hey guys what's going on david avalon here with my co-host robert drysdale for another episode of breaking the guard robert how you doing i'm doing great man awesome awesome as always all good stuff you're saying you were just in san diego yeah san diego seminar weekend with the kids i go to turkey tomorrow for only four days all the way over there for only four days that's rough good trip i actually honestly man i love it i just love being on the plane because it's like quiet i get to read or sleep or watch something that's like my it's me time you know i actually really like it you're comfortable on the plane as big as you are oh i was going to say yeah for me you make yourself comfortable man like you learn like the positions you can stay in like i've been getting upgraded a lot recently i probably won't get on this flight but i've been like yeah i feel like one out of three flights i get upgraded a business it's just nice but i can make myself comfortable no matter what man like i i try not to focus too much on the fact that it sucks and just kind of focus on like oh i can do whatever i want now and just relax and it's yeah i'm 6'3 man like sometimes the problem is when you get someone that's not like you my size or bigger has to be that's when it sucks if this one's smaller it's not too bad but it hurts after a while you got to get up walk around stretch a bit it's normal for me it's like i'm very broad-shouldered so it's always creates a problem like if there's another big person that's like you gotta be kidding me like it's not gonna work and yeah it seems like seats keep losing the ability to recline yeah reclining lessons like i've been going to reno now like once a month and like with this jetblue or i figured which airline they don't have any business class or anything so like coach like the reclines like this it's like an insult it's not even a recline it's like i think some of them don't incline at all anymore yeah it feels like it might have heard it doesn't incline his wife it's nothing yeah i'll say jesus come on unfortunately it's only an hour of flight so it's not too big a deal yeah for the short ones i don't mind like the long ones you gotta get comfortable like i have like a herniated disc on my neck so i sleep it on a certain on my right side is almost impossible okay i mean i should be in a lot of pain if i do sleep on my right side it's better that i don't yeah i'm glad the pain wakes me up um so i have to be leaning on my left is the only way i can i can take a nap but good stuff man um what else is going on what did we have this week we had jake paul and tyrone wigley did you watch that or no no i didn't i heard it was um a lot of people said that it was a fix i have no idea why they would say that but uh no i i from what i read they were saying that tyron does what he has he's done lately which he just hangs back he's too like gunshot he doesn't pull the trigger the one time i guess he did pull the trigger he dropped him yeah well he didn't drop him but he put him on the ropes it looked like the ropes kept him up and he was able to come back but the question's like why don't you just keep going you know it's weird that uh i was telling my girlfriend that it's like something broke mentally yeah right like i'm not sure what broke him but like he's never been the same he used to be a killer man i remember i cornered uh jhiran when he fought tyrone woodley and it was a quick like it's like fast knock so fast yeah so fast it's so explosive you know oh yeah you got monster right hand you know yeah the thing is like these these guys when you when you climb a mountain you see you know you look at you get a 360 view of that mountain it's not as beautiful as you thought it was going to be when you were climbing it i think that's what happened it's very i it's i think i don't know who said this but it's so true it's easier to get the title than it is to keep it oh yeah and that's a thousand percent i can even though i've never been a ufc champion i can i can know enough about competition people to to to understand this like the pressure alone right the the the motivations got to get harder because now you got all the comfort that you were striving for so all this money thrown at you and all this temptation it's easy to get sidetracked that's why a lot of fighters can't handle vegas they'll come to stay for maybe six months a year and they leave like someone with good sense in their family or someone they're like the wife maybe just pulls them out like you can't be because vegas just sucks people away from that right i'm not saying this is the case but yeah it's easy for you to lose motivation get distracted not have that same hunger you know um again i'm not saying this is tyrone woodland anyway but like a lot of guys get knocked out and then what happens is you see that something changes they lose that kill instinct they thought that they were invincible and that's why they were killers and once they realized they're not like something happens and they go become a little hesitant and i see this on a lot of guys something happens towards a the last quarter of their career maybe the last third of their career where they go they're just they lose that killer instinct that made them great right yeah just they're watching out for their brain how they launching out they're thinking of other things you know they're less reckless and rekkles is seen as irresponsible i think there's something to be said about being reckless in a fight sometimes that's the right thing to do like i always tell fighters like first you fight with your mind your brain and then when that's not working there's a time to fight with your heart yeah with your emotion and sometimes that right there is lost a lot of people because they don't have that anymore at a later stage of their career yeah 100 you know coming up uh i was never really a technician like it's funny because now i see myself more as a technician but when i was competing i was a heart guy i was going to grind you out yeah so i know people like i was first exposed to this you know dichotomy with wrestling because there are some guys who are very technical wrestlers but they didn't have heart if they weren't able to detect you or or pin you if you drag them into the later rounds they would break and then like i know my brother and i we were always catching up at the end and we would end up overtaking people just by grinding them you know so like it's just like what you're saying if you don't have the combination of both the mindset and the heart the guy with heart is going to beat you when the time if if given enough time you know what i mean especially like when you're looking at ufc fights which are pretty long if you're especially doing title fights 25 minutes around yeah you're inevitably gonna get into heart right there's no way you're gonna get fight that long without using heart yeah you know so like to me to be a champion it's almost impossible not to have heart in there a thousand percent man and and i i wish there was an easy answer to this but i've given this a lot of thought it's something i am fascinated by but i can you can almost tell when someone still has it when they're training you can almost tell like i've been around if i came long enough like you know you get that the kid that's coming up and you just look at him like oh he's got something there and there are people just like they're playing by the book and there are people that have this like old other motivation it's like this huge drive behind them right and at some point you can see them something changes and they lose that normally my experience jiu jitsu and mma it's fame it actually has the beginning of the end for a lot most of them not all of them yeah very few of them can like have that amount of recognition and money and be unscathed by it and not be changed by it you know like think about it takes like a lot an enormous amount of maturity responsibility and even will not to be affected by power money fame like how would you not like you're human of course it's going to change who you are and i think a lot with a lot of people it's the beginning of the end and i and i see this when people get a little glimpse and i've seen this so many times man they get a little glimpse of it they think they made it and then they change and that's the beginning of the end for them because they changed they were doing good and then they when they started getting that like they still get like a feel for it like oh i'm right there i'm getting close to the crown and that's when they fall because they start like getting the taste of all the other perks that come along with it and they don't have the discipline to stick the recipe you know like there's a winning recipe that people have up to a certain point in their career and then they want to change it for some reason yeah the classical example is that the guy who switches boxing coach for the title fight like you've how many times have you seen that movie yeah but there's something to be said about that like it's it's sort of true like you've got a winning recipe and all of a sudden like oh you got to change things and and i think that they the the they're so hungry for that finish line you know it's almost like making an analogy drawing analogy with with you know jiu-jitsu it's like when you see the back and instead of thinking okay one hook seat belt second hook they kind of jump on the rear naked and fall overboard like every white belt makes this mistake like every day they get so excited about being close to that finish line right i think that's one of them that's a big one man i think people just can't handle show business in general it's just too much too soon especially some of these kids are like what 22 23 yeah your brain is not even fully developed at that age you know you know this like it brings like not fully mature up to like your mid-20s so you get these guys that have like the world thrown at them when they're like 22 23 like jon jones who else so many of them yeah right it's just a lot man and if you don't have the right people around you to keep you in check dude you go off the rails very quickly yeah that's definitely a factor for sure i think what you had touched on earlier also just the when if they do lose in a bad way like getting knocked out or something some people get broken by that and i think that is also very difficult to get by especially once you've reached the top because fighting with heart means you're sacrificing light health right and potentially life yeah you know so once you've already got to the top i think some people might not be as incentivized to give up that health anymore right because like man i know how hard it is to get here and how much i can lose if something goes wrong yeah and i'm already i've already got the respect that i wanted you know so like why do i need to keep putting myself out there and usually i think as well that guys who are most well i think it's starting to change a little bit but most of the champions from the older times were like 30s you're kind of at that point where your athleticism's trying to fade a little bit yeah you probably have a family going at this point you know sam is a big one yeah it's so like priorities are shifting you have kids it's not about you anymore now it's about the kids like what good to you are you kids if you're brain dead you know like not much you know so i think that also plays a role in it but i've seen guys like you said as well that are like stone cold killers they suffer one hard loss and then they're like a shell therefore myself something changes yeah and it's like man like i don't know how to get that back to you you know and we made this point before but like a lot a lot of it is your social life a lot of what's going on in your personal life like that that's a big one and i've seen that too like if that thing isn't in tune with what you're doing right if everything if the machine isn't working together if it's not i just said man it's it's easy it's easy with the motivation again like you get to the top of the mountain and you've seen it like you have all that right i think it was anthony pedese said that once he was a champion he preferred the moment right before he was a champion because he had all the same perks he made pretty much the same money or something like that yeah but like he didn't have the responsibilities of being a champion like get on a plane like press conference all the eyes are new all the time and i think when he lost a belt as i was like this got it was you know that when he lost it though that's when he was better that's like that was the best moment of his career because he didn't have the pressure not the spotlight wasn't on him all the time he was making the same money he still enjoyed life he still had respect from you know friends family fans whatever but it was that that that pressure to be that guy all the time just wasn't there anymore and i think it was like a better moment for him like which i can i can really i can understand that like it makes a lot of sense i mean you could hear it from guys like gsp like if you hear them talk like it's interesting like he is like an interesting character and that he's very paranoid but he's also he admits he's very scared and he's worried about losing he's worried about this and he has all this anxiety but he managed to keep it together for so long you know and what was interesting about his story was he did have that horrific loss right he got floored by matt sarah and then he was able to come back and win and then never lose again right a lot i never lost after that huh no but he got a lot of close calls i remember like carlos conde through those beautiful kicks everything like he rolled over that left hook yeah and on his and jsp thought it was over and on his way out of the role he threw a head kick yeah that would have been one of the best knockouts in the history of ufc not to mention it was gsp and i remember matt sarah knockout too um i love matt sarah but i just think gsp is an overall better fighter i think it's fair to say you know um but like yeah that was yeah i mean before that was bj he had a loss to bj that was it right didn't have too many losses just being i don't think about it no no no like once he lost one of bj didn't he was it was it was a 2-0 he fought bj twice i know that thing no he beat him both times he beat him both times he beat him both times okay that was it i thought there was one that was closer yes i think that's what i had in my some people thought bj had one i think it was a close fight yeah yeah it was a closer fight but then the second time he he cleaned them up pretty well and that was the thing that uh i think we talked about in the podcast i mean we didn't he actually had a coach that uh watched all the video of fighters to and measure their reaction time and they figured out this guy said i've watched all the guys bj penn has the faxes reaction time that's why you weren't landing your jabs but he said bj's recovery is not great physically yeah wise or just even off like he can react very quickly but he doesn't recompose after the reaction so he's like the thing is you have to do a lot of things so you have to get him to react so he reacts quickly but then when he's getting when he's recovering getting back into posture from the reaction that's when you're gonna get them and they follow that plan and they they also realize he fatigues better so the faints had like a multi-purpose strategy to it which ended up becoming a much easier fight for him it was very interesting because this is a while back but he just happened to run into this guy who had studied videos and he like he he was like counting the amount of frames it took from someone with an opponent through a punch to seeing the amount of frames it took for that fighter to reflex like man that's that's painstaking work i mean that's next level man that's the the i mean at the at the olympic level at the professional level if you have the funds to do it like in jiu-jitsu we're all too broke to do anything like that but um the at the mma level if you're getting paid millions like you should hire someone to do that like i i believe that um i don't know if i told you this or not i'm working with a university in brazil and we're collecting we just started collecting data well i think i read something about this yeah yeah so what we're going to do is because no one's ever believe it or not no one has ever thought about doing this i'm like and i've been saying if like 10 years like someone's going to do it someone's going to do is like man no one's going to do it it's going to be you right no it's not i'm not gonna be frank i'm not going to do i'm like i'm kind of like telling them what to do i'm sort of guiding but like the the most of the heavy lift is gonna be done by them but the idea is to find out what's actually happening inspiration was that movie money ball yeah moneyball right and he revolutionized baseball because i wait a second what you think your fashion is irrelevant the numbers are all that matter because it's tricky because people believe there's one thing or not remember the longest time burton bowles was the biggest fever very vulnerable did it turn out to be like five percent of sweep to the black belt level but people obsessing over the five percent right so like we want to do statistics on on a number of things like and everything from like women's divisions uh uh masters division you know so we're gonna go by age gender and belts i think we're gonna stick the belt i think we're just going to do black but i think we're not going to do the other belt because it's going to be way too much work yeah but there will be there would be it would be different too like if you did if you if you really wanted to be sure you'd have to go by belt as well but then just like now it's your work times yeah times five you know so you gotta avoid that uh so we're gonna stick to blackboard probably and right now we're really putting a team of people together to to analyze this footage and there's a software they developed the software in this university in brazil but basically it's the painstaking work you're talking about like matt you got to pause it watch write down what's going on on the software and at the end the software just throws all those numbers into the chart so now we know and you'll be surprised man like the most common sweeps and takedowns they've done a little bit of work right now i have some of it i can show you it varies the big time between gender and age it's not a small difference it's always gonna be five percent no it's like polar opposite all right there are certain takedowns that are working consistently in certain divisions certain sweeps that are working consistently and i'm thinking myself once i have all this i almost want to be selfish for myself and myself why would i give this information away this is gold yeah if you once you have that i'm like this is really good information because the problem that i haven't instructed you have the same problem every instructor on the planet has the same problem is that the canon of techniques is too wide what do you teach you can't teach at all so there are gyms that only teach one thing and as a result they become specialists in that thing but then they have these huge holes in their game in other departments right so i've always tried to teach you a little bit of everything but as a result i don't think my guys have anything that they're particularly great at it's like they're like average at everything like how do you solve that problem for competition purpose it makes sense to look at the numbers and go in your division this is your canon this is your the body the arsenal of techniques that we're going to be focusing on because statistically this is what works most consistently yeah no it like you said you're you are doing that that would be great knowledge is especially if you want to hoard it to yourself but if you're giving it to the world that's just an amazing service i might sell it for 999 dollars that much or three easy who knows no but i'm actually excited i mean this is going to be like two or three year process it's not something that's going to happen quickly because we're talking about analyzing like 5 000 matches here yeah it's got to be a big pool of data otherwise it's not going to work you know i mean the bigger the better is it going to be all uh ghee that's the other one so yeah we bumped into that problem as well i want to do both i want to do both so that's a little and it's going to change dramatically too yeah for sure there's not going to be a lot of points showing aggies in yogi yeah you know so it's it's a lot of work man we're like we're like oh we need 20 volunteers we might need more like 50 you know like that's the kind of where we're stuck right now it's like i could see there's a lot of man because yeah if you're not only if you let's say you just do ghee and then like well i guess gi ipgf rules is pretty standard nogi is where you can there are monkeys because there's so many different role sets each rule set is going to change the strategy of the athletes and the success rate so it's complicated because like for example before ibu jeff did not allow heal hooks nogi so it was like so how do you bring the highest the best submissions the the the nogi ones would be the wheels would have been such a small percentage because super fights represent what five percent of not even more like two percent of tournaments of fights out there most of them are in the tournament format and they're following vjf rules so now that they've legalized heel hooks that's it it makes it more um now it's it's closer to what like let's say adcc or super fights would be so it's gonna be a lot closer but i don't think there would be a big difference there but but for example if you throw like a submission only tournament in there now you have problems yeah there's no scoring so there's no scoring like house and then and then people allowed themselves to have their guards passed or swept they don't care so is that going to count in the ratio it's it's very difficult when we bumped into this problem early on and i'm like i might have to exclude some mission only tournaments it's not because i'm like not just considering them is that i mean it's submissions you can count i guess but then you have the overtime that creates another problem because the overtime like why are you surprised that the rear naked choke ratio is through the roof when the guy's starting with the seat belt and two hooks yeah it shouldn't surprise anyone right yeah personally i based off what you're saying like i would have probably just said let's just do ibjf guinogi that way it's like one rule set and you get a pretty good idea of you know how that works and and i i have pumped in that we thought about that too but this is the thing i thought ibjf and the tournaments that are following ipg rules are about like at least i mean is similar like the other germans out there they follow a similar system right but let's say i think abby def tournaments worldwide probably 90 percent of events right right that's the thing that's fair to say but if you exclude these other terms you're gonna say oh that's why because you're excluding all this that's why you're not getting those numbers in but it's it's such a small pool of data and it's at odds with the majority it's gonna be hard to find i mean you could have you could add a submissions only but you couldn't add positioning because you'd never be able to insert that into the the pool yeah that's what i mean the rule set for those submission only is too different yeah to be able to add it and make sense in this current pull down in different languages i would think like especially we're just going to start out with this thing just do ipgdf stuff and then once that data is cemented then you know you know what like they call them in games dlcs right like added content yeah okay we'll do like sub onlys or i'll do something else you know like maybe grapplers quest or nagas or whatever other tournament sets but i would start off with that because you said that's the biggest sample size it's regulated well so there's consistency you know that's the other thing sometimes like nah guys or grandpa's quest reps are not that good and they're calling things differently so like i've seen people giving him belly points sometimes like wait there is you're right like we might have to stick to only ivjf just for you know just to make our lives because otherwise you're gonna get it's gonna get too conflicted but anyway that's a it's like a long-term project and the idea is to publish the information at the end yeah i think that's amazing that would be pretty awesome that's like like you said that's a gold mine that's data that you would really like be cherishing that's why when i heard the gsp story i'm like damn that's amazing that's like high level preparation right and i guess most people don't have that ability to do that you know i'll tell you this is a piece of like you know advice anyone wants to start a business they want to be in martial arts world right like i don't want to have a nine to five i want to make some money from mma or jiu jitsu and everyone does the same thing they have to try to fight or they open the gym yeah right i'm like man like you got to think outside the box if someone got really good at this and they had a software and they had like the technology to do and they know how to do it and they specialize in that and you walked up to like uh jorge masvidal or a you know whoever like top player and like hey man this is how much i want a month and i'm gonna do all this for you dude if i were making a million two million a fight and someone offered me that information for my next opponent yeah i'd hire that person in a heartbeat for sure and i don't make them like do like a some kind of like uh non-compete like you only work for me i'm serious for the competition i'm like i'm gonna put you on a salary but you only work for me and my guys yeah so we were starting the mma team like i had these all these ideas like i wanted to do all that i'm like i want to how can we like because that's how they do it football they do at the nba level mma is very amateurish so yeah and i think it has to do with the culture and we've talked about this before where like the culture mma is very resistant to change because it is dominated by like that alpha male slash i want to say like jock slash knucklehead mentality like it's hard to like you try to have conversation with a lot of these guys they don't want to listen like they're very close-minded when it comes to new information that's why i'm convinced that mma evolves slower than jiu jitsu because jiu jitsu they are very open to new techniques and new approaches everyone's like oh yeah i knew was always good even may guys they tend to be very i think that they're more resistant towards change like as a good example here when i teach seminars yeah i have never had more than like 10 15 people in an mma seminar and i've been to some big gyms yeah i've been in big gym for people like they'd rather hit the back than come to my seminar because they're like i've learned something i don't need that stuff i've seen that too you don't talk about the culture it's completely different they're very resistant towards like change and like new ideas because like oh just because a lot of times that happens to be the athletic guy he gets away with a lot so he thinks he's winning therefore my way is better and he doesn't see that you're winning because you're athletic but if you actually use your brains and you actually did things the right way you do things even better whereas because football is owned by an individual like so the football team is owned by you know by you you can put the hammer down and go like oh [ __ ] i'm paying your salary you're gonna do this x y and z and shut up right and everyone but in may the fighter runs the show yeah and that's the biggest weakness in mma is the fact that the fighter runs the show not that the coaches don't run the camp i've seen it you know what i'm talking about yeah you don't run the camp it's the fighter who runs the camp and if you try to tell the fighter what to do he gets angry like not all of them no but the successful ones listen like khabib like my favorite example like he has a camper like i guarantee you his dad told him what to do yeah no he didn't question that and i think that's also part of his faith that made that easier and i mean that and he's another guy like talking about being a champ undefeated for that long it's a hell of a mental feat to pull that off absolutely but getting back to your point yeah we had talked about this way back i think but the the model of coaching the relationship between the coach the athlete and the promotion is completely upside down for mma right like if you look at other sports like nfl whatnot you know the the coach is on top of the athlete which is on top of the the promotion right whereas in mma is the promotions at the top of the ladder yeah then as the athlete and then as a coach right so it's like completely upside down and as a result the guy who has the most experience the most information is the coach who is treated like you know he's the bodybuilder of it yeah it's the bond impairment that doesn't make any sense he's the guy with all the insights it's less efficient too yeah i and i as a gym owner you know gym owners you know what i'm talking about we bump into this problem in the gym as well you have the hierarchy i call them overlapping hierarchies like you we have this this the the traditional hierarchy that is the one we see in collegiate wrestling and professional teams where the coach is the boss if you don't like them you know there's the door yeah in the gym they're customers yeah so they're the boss so you have this like the coach is the boss but i'm a customer so who's the real boss yeah like it's complicated man it's not it sounds like a simple problem but like money throws a monkey wrench in all of this when the money is in the hands of the students or in this case the fighter yeah it flips the hierarchy it's trickier to manage especially if you're starting off and you don't have that capital and then you're conceding to like demands that you don't want to then you're you're putting yourself in a really bad spot like unfortunately like my gym and my brother we've been in it for 20 years this year so we're in a position where we fire students sometimes like they're incompatible with the program or the values are not aligned nothing personal it's just it's not going to work we're both going to be unhappy it's interesting when that happens because then the student wants to come back in but it's just not going to work you know the values are off you know and the way i see it if the coach is not that the student starts telling the coach what to do that's already to me the relationship has been broken right because you no longer trust my ability to instruct you right which means you think you know better than me at that point i can't coach you right at the moment that someone thinks they're better than you you can't coach them you know and it's just going to create a lot of friction i've seen this like i said i fired like ufc fighters like because it's just like it's not working it doesn't work and it's the fighter's detriment that's like when you try to explain these guys and they can't understand because they think that what they want is what's best for them yeah because if i want this i want you to hold paths for me like this for example they think that's what's best for this is what they want but sometimes like what's best for them is the opposite of what they want you know and then i think this is i mean this has come up before as well but uh coaches in vegas is very common they hold paths for free yeah they will pass for free dave it's a lot of work so you got a guy who's making millions of dollars and you're holding passwords and you don't charge them at all you know you know why they do that they get that camera time they get the energy so you get guys that like never done anything right and they don't know anything but they're willing to work for free to get that notoriety now the wife loves that because she saves money right the fight is like okay okay whatever whatever you know like and but that's hurting him because he's at night there's some amazing boxing coaches in vegas but they're not going to work for less than 150 an hour yeah and that's like lowballing it like some of these coaches are going to charge you a lot more for sure but if you're making millions man that little extra one percent you can get from that coach is a difference between winning and losing a five-round fight yeah you know but a lot of these guys themselves they're not willing to make that extra investment so just hold pads with the guy that holds out you know they'll do it for free very common and for their records like i don't hope after anybody shoulders man it just hurts so bad dude holding pads i've done i've done this i've very few times in my life i can feel like over time that would mess you up um i guess you got to have to like learn how to like position yourself oh sure you got to get into it so so it's not doing that yeah because and even so there's a lot of impact on the joints dude holding pads being a coach is a lot harder than people think oh man it's brutal like how many times i get in the sauna with those guys yeah i believe that i know i used to hold a lot of pads for my guys and i would do what i call like mma pads which is i would essentially be doing a sparring match but i'm holding pads so i would shoot in they'd sprawl i'd take them down they had to walk up to their feet and it's like one sided beating pretty much except they're hitting my pads most of the time rather than my face but like it's hard doing that you know it takes a lot of energy out of you and especially if you got a heavy weight that can drop and even if you're doing everything my pad's extended you're taking here shoulder is still moving in a little bit yeah you know like if you hold a bad pad like this then you're essentially american at yourself yeah you know which is like no good either so yeah like i see sometimes like guys holding for like i feel bad for the guy holding pastor francis nagano man like jesus christ former boxing coach said that uh he was like he was he helped pass for ray suffer once he was telling me how like rick a crack i'm betty again yeah i mean he's built alone he's like just looking like built for punchy stuff you know yeah yeah yeah like man you think you needed that there's that fight between uh is it him and mark hunt yeah him and mark hunt okay one two guys that can freaking just like there's you gotta i've lost some brain cells there's no way you get punched in the head that hard and there are no consequences got a chin on him you know i can't can take a punch yeah obviously i feel awful saying this because it sounds like i'm talking i hope it doesn't sound that way but i don't think he's a very technical guy like mark he's not he just hits super hard and he can take a beating yeah like i'm thinking if i if he let me punch him in the face like a white guy like a two three as hard as i could yeah you wouldn't i wouldn't drop him he doesn't have to he could probably drop me with a jab like it sucks but it's just reality of the conversation and i think it's it's part of it has to do with like the the density of your the the jaw bones and all that and like a lot of it might be like you're neurologically neurologically there might be something where some people are being predisposed to take a punch than others like for example like i'll give up vanderli can take a beating and he's like oh he's going to be all messed up when he's like older he's older now you ever listen he's fine he sounds fine yeah but it doesn't sound like i've seen other guys have taken less speeding than him that don't sound fine i think there might be something where some people just like recover from neurological damage more than others i don't know anything about this maybe your wife or your girl jamie knows but it's i don't think it's the same no no there's definitely uh i think a genetic component to that as well unfortunately right where some people just can't take a hit as well and you see like in boxing we don't see again mma you can see people who have relatively weak chins get up to higher levels you know because you can evade yeah you know you can avoid you can grapple with good wrestling so you're good and you won't get that chin tested too often whereas in boxing if you have a weak chin you're not getting out of amateur leagues pretty much right like because you're gonna be chin checked and you're gonna find out and if you don't have a good chin you're not gonna make it to the upper echelon whereas in mma you could get to the upper echelon and have a weak chin you know and that's why i think for mma though there's a bigger factor in learning head movement because uh like there are certain fighters that i've known that they had bad chins but they had excellent head movement yeah so they're able to avoid getting hit a lot yeah i mean but if you have a weak chin and you're a slugger it's you're not going to last you know no you know in the heavier divisions even more so yeah it's going to be more impact at the end for sure i've always i've made this make this case for a long time but mma has been so influenced by boxing and muay thai primarily and that i think that because like you know boxing best hands muay thai best elbows knees whatever so people immediately assumed that those two were not just at the best but the only martial arts that mma should be absorbing from as far as striking goes right and i always thought because if you look at a boxing ring it's a square right it's a square so and it's relatively small compared to the ufc it's like half the size yeah meaning there's gonna be a lot less room for footwork and a lot more place for for catching and blocking right so footwork and heavy movement not that they're not important they become less important because most of your defense is going to be with your hands up whereas when you open up the space and you make it an octagon slash a circle mobility is going to become a bigger factor so you see guys and it took forever to have made do this like forever but like guys start switching your stances they have like a wider stance now horse that their hands are down a lot of times right they're not keeping their hands up high the whole time because it doesn't make it almost like slows you down to punch from here too your punches are fastest from down here yeah right like if you keep your hands all the way high where you're supposed to your punches are a lot slower but this is faster but it hurts your defense as far as the catching punches but if you got the right footwork and the right head movement that's your first line of defense they're not your hands up the hands up the last line of the fence sure so you've seen like a lot of guys from you know it's a style that people made fun of forever it was like point karate that doesn't work because there's not a lot of knockout and impact but when it comes to their angles their footwork and their timing that's where they excel at i actually think it's a great style for mma once you absorb what like the hard impact he's going to need that that ko power you're going to get that from boxing and muay thai but as far as their footwork and timing dude i think they're i mean they're it's the it's the best for mma because that's all it's all about it's like hit and run hit and run yeah and it makes like that man i i never liked sequences like when boxing coaches and for mma especially like six seven sequences yeah you agree right it's like 100 it's garbage i always go two three two three two maybe one two even four is too much if you ask me yeah my brother he has to say he's like even a blind guy if you hit him once he's gonna move all right so like how are you gonna how are you gonna throw like six punches just gonna stand there i've seen people who feed pads like one two three four five six seven eight huh like punch combos yeah like i've never seen that happen in a real fight where two people stood in front of each other and just traded blows that's a slugfest right like that's gonna happen again like to me realistic combos for mma two three hit punches yeah and moving up right because that's the other thing if you're throwing that many punches takedown's gonna happen pretty soon right absolutely if you throw them but you say you become vulnerable to take down yeah so i and the thing is like some coaches and this happens in jiu-jitsu i'm not like [ __ ] on striking coaches but they're so orthodox they're unable to see like for example like jiu jitsu guys i'd be like oh no no do this do it this way and then wrestlers went along no i just beat you from half guard i don't want now yeah right and then russell no you got mount mount is better than half guard i'm like yeah if you're going against guys clueless but if you go against a guy who knows fighting like half guard is better for grounded pound which i agree i think it is yep and then like wrestlers want to change like there's so much resistance from jujitsu in that regard which strike a lot of striking coaches they have that like the thai guy especially because thai is almost like it's very orthodox yeah yeah yeah the way they do things it's like borderline religious and and it's just like it's almost like you have like a way of doing things of training and and everything is done in a certain way and there's not a lot of flexibility they don't allow for a lot it's like this is one of my boxing my striking coaches to tell me like the dutch they absorb what was best from every striking martial art and they created dutch boxing right which is a little more athletic like it is more versatile you're gonna find like they incorporate from many different martial arts but like for example the thai guys they stand very tall yeah right it's square tall and they they take hits like in thailand it's almost like oh yeah it hit me like oh man no hitting like no never hit me there's not a lot of evading there's more like check check check moving forward like the unboxing is not so different they have that and i think a lot of that dave is a reflex of the ring the ring makes it it's almost like fighting in a phone booth like if there's no way you can fight with range but once you put them in the octagon man like why would you not use that range to your favor and as i don't like to use them as an example because i'm not a big fan but like mike gregor does it i mean he was doing it for forever like that was the first three quarters of his career that's how he was going to be yeah this yeah it was distance it was timing it was angles and it was you had a horse stance the whole time yeah no like uh this ufc this past weekend a guy what's his name called giga uh uh i think he's like georgian or whatnot he's a striker and he knocked out some barboza it was a striking battle very good very good fight but i think he has a karate background because he is going in and out controlling range and he was able to outstrike barbosa which is a crazy feat and he was faster than burrosa which is also crazy crazy uh particularly with his feet he said wow i'm just whipping out kicks and he was able to control distance really well yeah you know so he's again the karate guys do have an advantage in that and it's a good philosophy you know you you get in you blitz you score your strike you get the hell out of there before anything college get out of dodge yeah you don't see a lot of striking coaching holding pads in a way that gets them to move after they finish their sequence which mine's like every sequence finishes with the steps left right or back you gotta but like it's so common and this is ingrained in your dna after a while because you've been holding you know and pass the whole their whole life like that but you finish the combination you're still standing right in front of the guy now that's something i mean i think it makes more common in boxing and tie boxing maybe but i think it's a terrible idea to make you can't catch punches with those small gloves that's the other part of it yes yeah those gloves are too small the cat's so much harder to catch punches with little gloves that's why i remember like earlier ufc's like peter ortiz when he was getting beat by chuck ledell yeah he kept doing the show i'm like this shell doesn't work in mma it doesn't work there's too many holes you know you don't you don't have like giant gloves that block you like those gloves have like a lot of gap yeah this is like one two punches tops you know and then you gotta get the hell out of there you know so i agree with you like you know our striking coach eric castano was a tiger he was a kickboxing world champion he was really good with that as far as like always having you move like you never were allowed to like throw a combination stay there like you have to shift and hang angle there's a value to be able to do like a 30 punch combo because you're you're building some conditioning memory hand eye coordination right because usually they're using a lot of slips that's good but like you said it's a bad pattern if you're just staying put or you're thinking you can throw that many yeah punches the way i compare that is like the way like a lot of jiu jitsu guys drill where they'll do a move with like a dead body in front of it oh yeah i think there's some benefit you're remembering the move you're burning some calories you know like maybe a little cardio here and there but it's not gonna make your passing better when you're like leaning on someone's knees and you're shuffling your feet right and left yeah everyone's favorite like i'm getting good at a guard pass like no you're not you're working out it's like jogging yeah but it's like a lot of the stuff that i mean in boxing have that too like the speed back i don't think it makes you a better boxer it helps with anti-coordination conditioning but it's not like you're never going to throw your hands that way yeah like you said like you just tweak it up just a little bit do the same type of thing but like two three punch like you said four punches like maximum and that's if you rock the guy yeah four punches when you hurt them and you can go four five six but like if you're exchanging you're man it's like one two three one two out like never in there for too long man um you know but again neither of us are i mean probably some striking coach right now listen to us thinking that we're full of [ __ ] but we're both grapplers but you know i i think i think we got a point here man like i really do i'm surprised that more striking coaches haven't made those adjustments just like some grapplers never make those adjustments like just some wrestlers never make that adjustment how many wrestlers i know that as soon as they learn how to get out of a triangle they're like i'm good they don't i don't need this youtube stuff i'm like that's great that you can posture out of a triangle congratulations yeah there's like 50 other things you got to learn just from the same position before you can say that i got it you know but it's it's it's not again it's an mma thing it's very difficult it's a very difficult culture to deal with i i i like the term they used before we talked about this a while back as far as the transitions that mma you call like the in-betweens i think right where that's where i feel like you had to get the most value out of mma because most people train like i call them like i guess it's like split personalities where like there's a kickboxer there's a wrestler and then there's a jiu-jitsu guy that all live in the same body but only one that function at the same time yeah right so like we're standing up we're in striking mode and then we clinch okay now we're wrestling but if you're a true mixed martial artist you're always just one you're just fighting but most people don't do that because they train in the camera oh today's kickboxing day okay everybody kick boxing gloves now you're training with a different thing you're not going to be fighting with that kickboxing glove and you know you can't take down your boston gloves you know it just doesn't work and that that leads back to the cultural problem i was telling you about for example like you couldn't go to most mma gyms and have them spar with small gloves because someone's going to get hurt and the reason i'm going to get hurt is that most of it's it's i mean you have to develop a sort of kind of camaraderie and trust me inside a gym that i know that if you catch an aio hook you're not going to blow my knee because you care about me trust me and i trust like i've been in so many mma gyms like i honestly feel that half the times i was sparring people would have hurt me if they could i get very common like guys will if they can they will yeah because there's no the camaraderie is not the same like it's it's very very few gyms actually have that sort of brotherhood because it's such a transient population too sure new guys come in every week you're sparring with people you don't even know and you spawn with them twice and you never see them again or you might be fighting them six months from now right like i i mean to me that's strange like people used to give like oh the the jiu-jitsu is too political and i've always i've been one of those my whole life like i've leaned the other way now i think that actually having a solid consistent team is to the benefit of the athlete himself absolutely you develop that camaraderie if you're bounced around all the time it's very difficult to develop that there's some value to like popping in someplace or like what we used to do at igem bring people over you know like whenever i had fight camps my brother would fly in two or three people and i get a different look you know ideally someone who's similar to my opponent's frame or strategy so okay i get used to doing that but you don't need to see it forever either right like you need to be able to work with people that you can trust and like you said that there's there's a relationship there so that you don't have to worry about getting yolked or whatnot doing uh training but to the mma point like my brother and i we've been doing mma training since 98 always with small gloves yeah don't have issues people getting knocked out or broken deep because you know no one's actually you know yeah there's a difference right like when you do mma sparring it's not a fight right like we know it's a level well below what our actual competition is man for me grappling is like that like my competition grappling is very different than my my though the type of energy i'm bringing in like competition grappling there's a lot more head butting a lot more cross-facing going on like stuff that you can't do in day-to-day training because you're going to hurt people you know like uh so like but you have to understand like your training is like a simulation it's not the actual thing like it's hard to do the actual thing day in day out without hurting you know you know like i used to neck crank people all the time stop doing it because once i had students i'm like it's not cool to pop your students necks all the time and nobody wants and even your training partners nobody likes tapping the neck cranks and i'm really good at them but it's like i stopped doing them because like i can only hurt people so many times you're gonna lose a training partner too yeah yeah you break like i tell people don't break your toys yeah and you have nobody to play with you know so there's a responsibility there as well it's selfish it's it's altruistic and selfish at the same time he managed to be both at the same time i i i noticed a lot of like because there's a thing about crosstrain like this is something that um you know i'm two minds i'll go back and forth on because on one hand like oh i just want to test myself against other people and then i go because i've been leaning against it maybe because i'm a german owner and that's influencing my psychology i'm perfectly willing to admit that i'm on the different side of the fence now so maybe that's why i changed but people go like oh i need a different feel and i just had to test myself i'm like well that's what competition is for you know oh i need new trained people to train with i'm like are you beating the people at your gym no because the only argument could be made is like if you're smoking everyone in the gym you're no longer being challenged when i say smoking i mean like like you're not even breaking a sweat anymore not like oh i only tapped him once in 10 minutes if you tapped him once in 10 minutes he's a very good training partner yeah you're tapping him eight times in 10 minutes like okay you might need an upgrade that's kind of how i look at things but i think that a lot of it is not motivated by like oh i want to improve it's motivated by it's it's a social club it's just like hanging out like oh who's you're trying to you see where you sit on the pecking order so when you visit other gyms they have these like sunday open mats like a very common like everyone gets together and i've and i've seen some of them like and i they don't even train they barely train just talking socializing this person is scared of that person it's like a very weird environment where it's supposed to be oh it's all about jujitsu it's no politics but it it very quickly turns into like a social with it because i think that's the real motivation is not so much improving i think the real motivation is just socializing people like the social life for the same reason they go to nightclubs everyone gets dressed up to go to the nightclub to what to see who's prettier than who who's going to pick up who who's there's we it's like we're obsessed with that like we're always trying to see where we stand in the world and i think there's a lot more of that going on there like i really need to improve on myself that's why i got to go over there because again there are exceptions there is that one guy who's smoking everyone in the gym yeah and they i think that's a i've left gyms before dave it was like because no one was i was beating everyone like i wouldn't have anyone to train with so i had to move yeah i think that's a good reason if you're a professional athlete or you want to be and you got to go for that reason but like if it's something that like you just want to socialize you might want to rethink what you're really doing i think you bring a good point as far as like i guess like what would be your standard as far as like when you should shift teams and whatnot because it would kind of be like you're shooting and maybe you're not doing that well and then you know what i'm just going to buy a even more expensive gun yeah like how about the gun it's the gun it's like maybe it's just you you know maybe you have to train the fundamentals a little bit more if you want a shortcut yeah but then if you're like bullseying or something like that oh maybe i could do even better with you know like there's a there's a thing to be said that like even when we're talking about training and changing things up right like athlete says i want to do this maybe there's a value to what you know athlete's saying like to expand his horizons right as a coach there has to be of course a conversation like i don't want to give people the wrong impression like oh like the coach is like a dictator and like yeah everything he says goes but generally i feel the coach is should be like the final say as far as what goes down right because he's the guy with the most experience if he's a good coach right like i i'm always one that like i tell my guys like i'd rather be coached by someone who's actually stepped in the cage before because they have that experience they know how it feels like it's not saying it's impossible to be a great coach and never fought in your life right it's just unusual right and you're kind of speaking out of turn in the sense that since you've never done the thing yourself you really don't know how it's like again it's possible that you can be very attuned or empathetic and understand what it's like but i would always like if you have a choice coach a and b are exactly the same except a has fought like in 20 fights and b has never stepped in the cage before i'm more likely to trust hey right yeah because he's been in there he can tell you hey you know when you're getting the butterflies in your stomach you know this is what you need to do or like you know it's something to do with the instruction too when this guy tells me ab i i i don't question and like i know he's done it i know he's speaking from experience but someone's never done before into telling me to do x y and z i'm like i don't want to have that hesitation round two round three yeah i don't want to be like thinking double you know think about what you're what you're saying if it's truth or not like you want to have someone who you really trust and this is like you know the psychology behind that is super interesting is the level of trust you're going to have in that person is even more important in the technique yeah because this is what allows so many guys that in my opinion don't know [ __ ] about [ __ ] they don't understand fight but they're brilliant psychologists and they're able there's a kind of guy that if they started a cult they would kill it yeah yeah like they have that personality like i've seen like uh i'm not gonna miss this this is one guy in vegas is like striking coaching he always like always like and he yeah i'm not going to mention names here but like there's some people in the community to do this like they have this this domineering sort of like body language right and they're very good they talk to you like this i'm talking about everybody there's an episode of it's always studying in philadelphia the alpha thing is to pick your chin up as high as you can yeah it's like you're looking down on them it's very domineering and and it takes like i used to like fall for this stuff and then realize i started paying attention what they were doing i'm like oh it's a trick like smoking mirrors he's got another [ __ ] like he's acting like he does but he doesn't it was like a lipo moment when i realized this guy is his body language that's how it is but they it's they hold themselves in the tone of voice and how you say it and there's something about like there's a huge loophole in human psychology where we go um well this guy must be the real deal he must know what he's talking about because he has so much confidence so confidence is something you can achieve through wisdom practice and experience or it's something you can just train yourself or delude yourself which would be even more efficient because if you lie to yourself well you're gonna be much better yeah online other people and once you've mastered that man like you're a step away from starting your own religion yeah that's i mean some of these i've i've like this this one's straight yeah actually it's like the way you just held themselves everyone's like oh man the guy's in the room and i started paying attention to the guy man this guy's stupid he doesn't know striking like he's just not he's got no history like why is everyone paying attention to what this guy is saying i've seen this before as well and uh it is interesting because it's somebody who's never even thought before doesn't even have a background in it it's just like they had honey you know they were just able to slip that in and particularly to younger people who want that attention yes yes it's like a fly to [ __ ] you know i mean yeah people that are needy are father figures not to go you know freudian on people here it's a big thing i'm not a huge fan of psychoanalysis but yeah there's something to be said about that father figure 100 i know many of fighters who are badasses in the cage and they're so needy of someone to look up to yep like almost like little children inside no i've said like in the martial arts community period most of the men fighting do not have a father figure in their life yeah and it's not a coincidence yeah and it's a lot because people go into the martial arts because why they were insecure they they were getting bullied you know they needed self-defense something like that and usually that happens because you didn't have a father figure that was guiding you yeah yeah right because you know a good dad's going to show you how to protect yourself and fight and stuff like that and you're going to carry yourself a different way but when you're kind of like a bird that fell out of the nest too early you're vulnerable you know and and you can be super tough and yeah you can still be vulnerable inside oh you're a different kind of toughness you know a lot of really tough guys that they're inside they're little they're i don't know how many times i've seen these guys walk up to me and start crying yeah like it happened they broke like rob and they did like just break down in front of me about their personal life and [ __ ] you know um yeah i mean it's it's interesting like the the psychology behind all that i think it was was it rogan that said that all fighters are either they just love like rad sports you know like extreme sports yeah or they're angry at their dads it's like one or the other and it's like i mean there might be some truth to that like these like some guys that if mma didn't exist they'd just be like with those squirrel shoots like jumping on the cliffs you know they'd be doing something like that i know people are like that like i know some fighters i'm convinced they just adrenaline junkies they don't even like to train that much it's just like the adrenaline of being in danger man i know guys who said they're gonna do squirrel suits once they're done fighting i'm like yeah you know okay you're that cattle yeah yeah yeah i'm like you're not doing like you're not riding motorcycles you're not doing anything experiencing the most dangerous thing yeah until your fight career is over and i mean like you don't do that stuff man i think it's that's an early grave man that's i can't remember the percentage but like it's a very big chance you're gonna die yeah yeah yeah yeah um i saw this documentary once there's this chick she was married to one of these guys he was like known for doing crazy stuff and then sure enough he died and then right right away she married another one like it's like what is wrong with you they're going to be gliding for punishment that's one of your widows jesus yeah oh this girl i admire the courage but it's almost like there's something wrong i mean i think like even fear the way i look at like these these these features of psychology is just like you look at the body like my arms might be a little bit longer than yours yours might be a little bit hairy but it's still an arm right i think fear is the same some people have more to have less we all have it some people just have very little of it you know i got some of these guys there's just it's almost like i mean it would be it's something you think natural selection would have fixed a long time ago because people with that sort of fearlessness should not have made it this far you know that gene should not make it very very far but like some of these guys are just absolutely i've seen guys they're not scared of fighting i was [ __ ] in my pants every single time i stepped in that cage like almost i would like hope to get injured the week before that's how scared i was like it's probably hope i get injured just so i don't have to fight that's how scared i was other guys are just like completely fine man it's unbelievable i've i've teetered between the two but usually not as scared you know like even for like i mean to me grappling is not scary you know you get anxious you get anxious yeah yeah yeah and but because you're not worried about well yeah you can get hurt i've hurt more crap in there wrestling but there's something about a cage and punches yeah yeah there's definitely more but like even for cage fights and stuff i never really had too much nerves like the only one that i felt a little bit nervous was my first shoe fight and my first pro mma fight those two that had like the first mma fight had tunnel vision where like i literally could only see like this it was weird you know like i was so limited in my vision i don't know why but that fight went well and then after that never had issues but some people i've known that were like ufc fighters throwing up before every fight you know it's just from the nerves successful ones too guys that you think would never if i told you who maybe afterwards i'll tell you like there's no way this guy's scared to fight him like this guy is vomiting and he's peeing every like every other minute yeah he's that nervous and you know but if you see him in there like they just poke her face the whole time yeah like we said like gsp is pretty open about it he's yeah pretty anxious and nervous and terrified and just like one that should be yeah he's like one of the greatest has ever walked the earth you know so i think it's a very motivating message for people because a lot of people think that being scared oh they're weak or like there's something wrong with them like no you're normal like that's you're supposed to be scared this is a very unusual thing to do like all of human history and animal history there's very rare where like two people are going to plan to fight each other you know like three months in advance and step into a cage where everybody's watching them that doesn't really happen you know fights are generally spontaneous if you look in the wild to males and they're in the same territory oh we're throwing down i mean there wasn't months of build up for this right so like that whole time factor it just it creates a lot more anxiety like people don't usually get as scared for a street fight because it just happens so quickly it's it's impulsive yeah yeah like someone bumped you hey what was that oh okay boom when we started throwing like there wasn't chance for a build-up you know what i mean it's it's one thing it's like you're gonna fight tomorrow at 7 00 p.m that's why school was so terrifying oh you're gonna have to fight the guy in the recess or something the next hour you're just like you know yeah yeah you're just biting your nails society's just consuming you because it's very different because now there's no impulse there's no you know is that um and you have that again everybody has that little voice and it's like ah we need to get out of this like how can like you said like it's funny like that the whole injury thing people like oh that's not true no that's true man there's people like some people actually go a step further and they self-sabotage without even realizing it consciously they'll do something that will take them out of the fight so it's a way out yeah it's a way out like people want to get like there's a part of them that wants to get out yeah and acknowledging it is important because then you can control it yeah and you can start approaching the problem yeah if you pretend it doesn't exist it can manifest itself in ways and that happens in the fight where sometimes people just start getting really high for some reason like and they're back mounted you know the guy's looking for a chunk he's like oh and then they tap and he's like oh you know he just got me he's like no you got yourself out yeah you're a boycott you you just wanted a way out and it happens even in wrestling people pin themselves like in just to get out of the questions to get out of the match you know and uh they don't it's like a subconscious thing going on you know most of the time so it's important to acknowledge that there's a part of you that's scared and that's okay and then you just have to be able to work around that that's the survival guide like you you don't want to get rid of like it's always interesting on people like you have all these like what we would call like negative forces in your psychology or like things like fear anxiety uh anger like hate whatever you think oh this is all bad to get rid of it i'm like no it's whether you like it or not it's there yeah now the only question is what are you going to do with it yes because like you know fear is something that's kept you alive it's almost it's something you're you know you're neglecting your past and you're trying to like oh no i don't want these things kept you alive man this is part of who you are yeah you know they're good things you just have to learn how to manage them you have to learn how to use them to your favor exactly you know like fear is good anxiety is i think anxiety is a huge drive yeah i always especially anxiety over the future like i don't know the past you can just dwell on you know you can only learn from the past that's how i look at it the future is something you shouldn't be anxious about i mean you will be anxious about but you have to use that as as motivation man like it's not as like oh i'm scared of the future or like oh i got to prepare for the future yes it's not negative you know the anxiety is energy right so it's like it's trying to motivate you to do something right either to prepare or to get the hell out of it right it's one or the other you know so like when you have nervous energy for a fight it's either trying to like hey i don't want to do this let's get out of here and that fear element is because we can get hurt yeah right but if you use that energy and that fear to prepare yourself then you're like essentially telling your body i know there's a risk but i'm going to be paraphrasing the best i can because there's a really big reward and i'm willing to take that risk and when you do the right prep you feel good about it and a lot of that fear subsides there's always a little bit but a lot of it goes away and i always tell people it's always been true for me as you walk into the cage all that [ __ ] starts to just slip away and by the time you're in there it's go time you're in the zone all that stuff that you were worried about no longer applies you know but it's kind of like you have to have faith in the process yeah the body is going to try to or the part of your mind that's trying to preserve your health is going to try to do everything it can to convince you to not step in there yeah but once you're in and knows the game's up it's okay it's just it's pure emotion yeah okay let's just get all in now now this is the only hope we gotta do really good now you gotta tell your emotion it's almost like yeah the little voice in your head like it's gonna be okay you know even though like yeah there's some danger a dying mma or something horrific happening but that's normally let's be frank it's not the most squirrel suits are a lot more dangerous you know i think motorcycles a lot more things i think a lot of things yeah motorcycles like not even like yeah i think you're out of time right yeah yeah that's my alarm click on my cable anyway like we could pick up on the which one is the most the most dangerous sport on the planet i i'm going with squirrel suits that's my vote i think scrolls is a pretty good bet i think jiu jitsu is pretty safe in comparison i'll stick to that for for whatever the extent of my of my training life or however long that goes on for i'm trying to like manage uh um whatever life i have in my joints for the next like 20 30 years well i've been telling people as you get older you have to study they call it mrv and weightlifting world it's called maximum maximum recoverable volume right and essentially as you get older you get less and less volume that you can put in right so that's like something that i'm trying to learn myself still about you know like how much i can lift versus how much i can do jiu jitsu how much i can do the archery and how much i can run like you only fit in so much so you got to figure out what that is and and it's going to change as you get older you get less okay i gotta lower that amount of volume i can put in you know because otherwise you start wearing out like for me now i know like if i train two days in a row hard i'm broken yeah like i can't do it so like i have to do like one day heart okay then another day i could do easy rounds when i go hard three like hard rounds as far as i'll stop mid training if i have to look at the easy ones but and i don't go to war all the time maybe like once or twice a week you have to because you want i want to train until i'm 60 70. yeah you know and i got arthritis i'm 39 and i got arthritis on my knees and i suspect on my hands too you know so anyway brother i gotta go i gotta pick up the kiddos that's a lot of fun always always good to pick up um and i'll be back in five six days okay we'll do another one thank you guys for listening uh stay awesome and i'll see you guys we'll see you guys you