BTG 57 - Sloth

[Music] hey guys what's going on david avon here with my co-host robert drysdale for another episode of breaking the guard rob what's up 99 what is it now dave uh-huh we're 50 something let's do something okay we're getting there moving along um yeah man how you been what's new with you uh duh been getting some more training time now but then uh i had one week i trained five times yeah which i was like this is amazing you know like i got a lot mad time in but this week i got in once i lifted once and then i try to go again again and now my ribs are all tweaked yeah like yeah it's hard to push that through i i go to the gym like i don't i get to that threshold and i kind of stop right there i don't really push that boundary all the time anymore i'm still learning the limits like it seems silly but like i'm still figuring out like the balance like i know what i think i know i did it at least yeah because i did legs where i did zercher squats which i normally don't do you know those archers that's when you hold the barbell oh yeah it biceps and then it gives you a little deeper squat yeah it's hard on your back erectors too because you have to keep your back straight it's very hard because it pulls you in it pulls you in and then the other thing it's hard to breathe because the bar is pressed against your diaphragm all those yeah right wow so and coincidentally this part of my ribs all pulled and all along it's weird like a little belt you know what it could have been too and they didn't warm up properly well yeah good hard warm up break a good sweat because that one is hard on your and your core yeah and not only that your your ribs don't get a lot of blood flow that's why they take forever to heal because it's cartilage right so there's not a lot of blood flow that could be something to do with that yeah so i feel like okay that one probably because i was fine i was a little sore but then i grappled the next day and nothing really happened but then after the train session i kept rubbing here i'm like crap and woke up next morning i'm like oh no it's like a little belt i was like god damn it like okay now i know if my back hurts a little bit don't grab the next day you know what i started doing because i have like a herniated disc on my lower back and it's been i've been complaining about it for 10 years right and i went to the gym dude i hadn't done abs in years i just don't do abs you know yeah who cares so i'm not going to do absolutely i did abs like 20 minutes at the gym dude it helped my lower back so much i think that's what's missing like that blood flow you know just like exercising your lower back i mean your abs but you're bringing it's the same area right like so you're getting all that movement left right left right man i great like it's almost like physical therapy for my back my back's felt great the last two or three days nice so i like little things like that i haven't rediscovered i'm like really learning how to train in order to stay healthy you know it's it's because i you know it's you have your method up to a certain point and it's not really a method it's just chaos it's just if it's hard it's good if you're exhausted it's good you stop when you're done you know when you're when you have nothing left to give and that's your that's your mo like that's how you you live your career and now that you're no longer fighting it's like you have all the the accumulated damage to your body it's like you have to really learn how to train in an intelligent way you know what's hilarious that this reminds me of i watched my match with hannah gracie so i found out it was yeah it's been like hidden for like i've heard people like oh the grapevine i saw it at the gracie academy but it's like it was like hidden somewhere i saw it and there was an interview with me before the match and the the color commentary oh you know david avalon you said 23 years old and he's you know surprising he's never suffered a serious injury in his career he says he's very lucky i'm like you dumb son of a [ __ ] you just fix yourself at 23 like you look at injuries you think it's like ah because you know at that age the future is something so abstract yeah because you're so immersed in the moment you know when you're in your 20 you don't think about it you're just looking at what's right in front which is probably for the better you know if you're like scared of injuries when you're 23 you would have not have accomplished what you accomplished yeah yeah it's because you didn't give a [ __ ] that you went far there's something reckless about it you know but i think there's there's some wisdom in being reckless too like i don't i don't if you're too responsible too young you're not gonna you're not gonna live yeah and i think that's the time to be reckless because you have a little more you have a little more leeway to recover like now it's pain the ass you know like i just saw him like uh he didn't that young david didn't know it was coming down the pipeline and i i remember like when i hear like guys they're like 35 40 and they'd ask me at my age and i'd be like 21. like oh man you're so young i'm good for you they're like it's like celebrating my youth like what is he talking about like i'm gonna be because you think you're gonna feel the same way 20 years down the road it's it's hilarious because it's such like a common thing to hear and i know i felt the same way i'm like whatever oh man you don't know me you know you don't know my body my drive my you know but i'm wolverine yeah but it's like trying to explain to like a young kid about love you know how to have like that puppy love like you can't tell someone that like there's no way you communicate it's like it has to be felt this is one of those lessons that they have to hit their head on the wall you know what's funny about that and that applies to a lot of things like there are things that i've read in my youth that i could see there was a lot of depth there a lot of feeling but i couldn't quite grasp it like not in a very you have to live it you have to experience what that person is trying to get across through words and then you can really relate to it and that's when it's truly beautiful because you can it's like you can i know what you're talking about i've been there before like we can share that feeling right and that's something that comes with time and that's i think it applies to everything you just like time gives you that like it gives you the the little extra um you just feel more deep like you i can relate to things like like fear hope love hate like i understand these things better than i did in my 20s sure to me they were just abstract concepts that went in poetry and books but like it's not something i had felt deeply because if you've never gone through those things like you don't have a there's no scale there's no sense of like i don't like for example like i always tell people like i appreciate food so much after wrestling before i wrestled and had to deal with weight cutting and stuff i never really cared about food for granted yeah i enjoy it but like whatever you know but after like you deprive yourself of proper nutrition and all that for like months on end and then you get to eat a hamburger yeah like our thing i had actually i went to san diego this past week and i met with an old high school wrestling buddy uh ryan and him and his brother chris were upset his brother chris in particular was obsessed with blizzards oreo blizzards like that oh they're delicious yeah yeah like in high school that was the thing so like he even bought himself his own blizzard machine yeah where like he had the little thing that would spin so when there was like after a tournament would come over this house we'd bring like the ice milk the same thing they use a dairy queen get a bunch and just go nuts you know but like we had this weird like fetish about like having these blizzards you know but for me like everything kind of like you can only appreciate food when you truly been deprived of it you know um and that's when you understand like oh when kids say you're starving like you're not starving your little bastard you haven't even experienced what starting is that you know it's true so when you feel like deep pain which only can usually i mean hopefully only comes later in your life you know when you have suffer a lot of truth yeah and then you can really try wow like now i know what bad times really are and like this is why good times are great but like if you only had good times and then you have an amazing time it's like it's not a big change yeah it's like ah it's a little better you know it's kind of like that expression i said good times make uh weak man weak making bad times and bad times you know now yeah it goes that hard times make strong men strong men make good times good times men weak men make hard times yeah so we're at the verge of that cycle in case you're wondering yeah i think we're at the verge of collapse here for sure i saw something like that switching gears i could go on this rabbit hole with you about like hardship i love that topic but i saw something that was truly shocking to me right this is like actually makes me angry um i went to eat at a greek restaurant here on rainbow so sahara and fort apache i believe and you know i never been there before but i google like you know greek food i was in the mood for greek food right so like greek food near me and it takes me to this place and i get there there's a sign on the door that says we are closed due to lack of staff there's a way way past pause this is the first time that i have even heard i mean i don't think there has there ever been a time in history where people were like going out of business because they didn't have workers i don't know but i can't think of it but it is a phenomenon i've seen that it's incredible it's outstanding i can't even but i think i saw that in san diego also when we were walking around if you drive spring mountain like every other restaurant has a sign on it says now hiring like it's terrible like and and i i don't and it's a cultural problem dave it is not a problem of economics i don't think it's economics well i can differentiate that i think it is an economic because a lot of these people i don't know if there still are but there were incentives now yeah well positively what i've said economics i mean like negatively like as they're struggling i think the issues yeah they're getting checks from the government eh but it is a culture what i mean by a cultural feature is that people think that's okay oh yeah yeah and people are not ashamed of it yeah i'm not the hardest working man on the planet anyone who knows me know that unless i'm really passionate about something i'll sink my teeth in yeah i can work for 18 hours a day no problem but for the most part like you know i enjoy my free time like i i never wanted to be a billionaire because i don't think there's a point working that hard unless you really love what you're doing right but i like to think i have some work ethic you know and like the fact that like it's just people don't want to work and that's what's so shocking to me like dude like it's not like you made it in life you know what i'm saying like me and you can say like okay we can we've done some things in our life you know we can go okay i'm still working but i don't i don't have to work 12 hours a day 15 hours to do if i don't want to right we get some of these 20 year old kids that just barely made it through high school and they're like they think they made it in life dude i know i sound like old man but dude it's getting worse yeah it's been getting worse and i'm wondering what's next i wonder if we're gonna have a society just like run by a.i and everyone's gonna be miserable because everyone's gonna be so comfortable life's gonna be so easy we're not gonna be able to have that struggle that that you were talking about like starving yourself to appreciate you know blizzard oreo cookie ice cream i'm serious you know yeah people like oh yeah no but it's it's exactly what's happening like if things are handed to you they have no worth yes i walked up to a stranger i was this example and i handed you a black belt what would that black belt be worth zero zero right but if you kill yourself it means something right like you spend your life working for us that the reward is always proportionate to the effort as well it was the point i was trying to make it i tell this to my students because i give this speech almost every day at the gym i think it goes when you're in when they're out the other they don't really listen what i'm saying because they don't get it it's like you're after the wrong things people like you have to learn how to invest in something you're truly passionate about and put your heart and soul into it and then the reward at the end of that is proportionate what you guys are after is comfort you're not going to get anything out of that you're not going to get anything out of all i just want to live at the beach and do nothing all day and like live my life what to do live your best life what the [ __ ] does that mean like i hear that one all the time you know it's like it's it's i think it's a generation of people that have been convinced my generation's like i think you know but the younger crowd is worse because of social media they've convinced themselves of what happiness is what well-being is what's true satisfaction is and they're really don't have it but they feel like they're on the right track about it and they're really like no for sure we're on the right track we're just gonna be just like our heroes on instagram and then you know as a result like depression rates are through the roof yeah and i i i think it's it all ties up man like this is all it's one big cycle i don't think it's coincidental you know well like you said for someone to be comfortable who's perfectly able to work you just take a check from the government yeah and do so for months and maybe maybe even over a year and a half it's it's embarrassing like i know the guys that did my windows they were the one the contract was just like oh you know a lot of our a lot of competitors they can't even work right now because all their staff just decided in one way they're going to stay home take checks yeah rather than go out and not have to buy you know so like this one group you know they were still happy to work you know they took pride in doing their work right but uh i think that's partially the problem also if you're just doing work to collect a paycheck and you don't have any fulfillment in the work itself then i can see yeah you probably don't care about how the money gets to you right so the same people that go looting right because it's just money to me if i'm not gonna get in trouble for it whether i i can get it playing video games at my house versus actually having to go outside and work yeah send me the check right but ideally we'd be doing work that's yeah we have some attachment to like you know especially if you're doing like arts and crafts and whatnot there's pride and output of the product even if you're doing service related business you should be proud of the service that you're able to contribute you know like if you're going to the gym and you're teaching there is some pride and like oh i helped this person achieve this technique and maybe that's going to help them feel better or do better but like you said like if you're just content to just sit at home man that's to me it's pathetic it is it is it's not it's in here i mean i know it's like we probably had this same podcast like 25 times or half our pockets about because i'm fascinated by this theme um but i i really think that you know don't get me wrong man like i've had jobs that are like i've worked at a store before like like selling skateboards and that's supposed to be cool and fun and i hated it i've worked as a manny before like taking care of kids like i've had jobs and not related to jiu jitsu man if it's not your passion it's hard man like you have to go there and do it something you don't like you know but man what are you doing with your free time yeah and this is something i tell my students all the time too like what you do with your free time defines you you're not what you think you are you're not what you're claimed to be you're not what your social media account says you are you are what you do with your free time how do you spend your free time because that's what's building you because we all have responsibilities like you have to go to work you have to go to school you have to take care of the kids you all have like chores that are they don't define you but they're part of life right and as you get older the you have a family you know your the amount of responsibility increases and maybe that right there prevents you from having any you know you time but i think everyone should set aside like two three hours out of their day where you're manifesting you you're building you like what are you building in that free time because if you're not doing anything productive there's nothing wrong with it i'm not judging yeah but don't be surprised don't be [ __ ] telling sending me like i'm gonna do this and i know what are you doing in your free time yeah you know like i like i found jiu jitsu i was fortunate because i found jiu jitsu when i was 16. i was very lucky i always say this it's 50 after 50 luck um but like that right there like all my free time and energy went into one thing it was easy it wasn't an effort because i loved it you know i know that you can relate i know that other people listening perhaps can relate so i imagine someone has a 95 and you know they don't want that job at the greek restaurant i get why they don't want that job okay so now you're not working now you're getting a check from the government what are you doing with those 24 hours because you're not working yeah i hope you're reading a lot of books i hope you're working out like crazy i hope you're like reading some like some serious like articles out there i hope that you are doing something that is growing you as a human because if you're not don't give me a sad story about why your life is hard yeah because you're doing it to yourself man and this is like a huge part of the discussion that people don't want to have but there's a complete lack of accountability in this country like people just like it's always blaming blaming blaming like people we live in the richest country in history life has never been easier this is the easiest life has ever been i wasn't like at unlv it was uh one of the i remember which class it was and we're talking about like you know millennials and whatever i was like and i said i just fired this is in front of like very pc crowd and they go i go i think this is the most spoiled and entitled generation to ever walk the earth it's just like like people have never had it easier than this generation of american water like it really is like yeah you know it really think about what life was like in the united states a hundred years ago and compared to now as far as comfort goes you know yeah um and then like they were outraged all these kids went through the recession and i recession what recession 2008 i came from bruce i moved from brazil in 2008. my people my unemployment here was like 15 brazil like 15 is the norm like like 30 is possible like it happens like i'm used to that you know so i moved here in 2008 i'm thinking people complain about this economy because i've been in brazil for so long it's like this is the best economy i've ever seen you know it's very especially for americans to lose perspective of how fortunate we are to live here well kind of on that same token it's why a lot of self-made millionaires are actually foreigners and i think it's because they can see like from the having a lack of opportunity yeah like you know you could be the most motivated man but if you're in china it's gonna be very difficult to become a millionaire just because the roads are not open for you right they require special pathways that only certain people get here everybody has it you know but it's just who's going to actually put in the time for it and you tell you give somebody who comes to this country specifically to take advantage of opportunities they're going to take it you know versus the people that you said somewhat spoiled and they're just comfortable and you know like you said comfort's a hard place to grow from all right because you're comfortable you're good you don't really need to do anything else it's terrible yeah and that's why like when people talk about like um let's say like tulsi gabbard i think she was like supporting a motion for like universal income yeah essentially it's like a living wage like anybody who just breathes air you get paid to be able to be alive congratulations yeah and like you can breathe and it's a to me like a very naive uh point of view like you think and the idea they they think it's like oh you know like if you didn't have to worry about working for survival then you could really expand and create its creative pathways and do all this stuff i'm like if that was the case then we would have a bunch of genius welfare people you know but like guess what it doesn't happen that way because we're animals the animal that's spoiled you know essentially it's like a domesticated dog you put it out in the wild it dies it forgot how to survive it doesn't know how to hunt it doesn't you know it doesn't know where to get shelter and stuff like that so like we're the same way you know you give people everything they need to survive and they don't have to move a finger they're probably not going to move it's inhumane too like i i know they there's a guise of humanity in this sort of thinking like i'm doing this to help my neighbor you're not helping no it's like if i go to jiu jitsu with you and i let you beat me every single round oh dave feels great about himself he just tapped me a hundred times in five minutes did i help you no you give me a if anything you've harmed me by giving me a false sense of security right like i'm like oh look i'm uh i just smashed the black belt world champion that means they can smash anybody yeah and now i'm walking the streets thinking i'm safe and then anybody could kick my ass and this is my p with with a lot of this sort of thinking is that they believe and there's this there's and i'm not to get too political here but there's this belief that if you create a foundation of i call it a foundation there's a plato you're going to build a house you have to have a solid foundation the bigger you want to build that house the better the foundation has to be it's like they believe they can create great things out of like a very weak foundation which is untruthful like it's exactly what we're talking about it's untrue but like they want it to be true and then when the house collapses it's because you know it's a social construct or like there's no phishing is nature and biology everything is about you know the the the unfairness of of life in the world it's like no man it's it's you too yeah you know like you're going out lying to people and the other person is believing these lies and you're expecting to be fulfilled and happy and productive and like i'm sorry man it's just not going to work it just won't work i mean it's never it never has you know it's it's just huge and i i see this on on so many levels it's not just i see this in jiu-jitsu so i see this uh politically economically culturally like is this misunderstanding of uh and i who's to say what life is about right who the [ __ ] knows right like it means something different to everyone sure but i think it's fair it's consistent to say that life is about overcoming yeah and i'm bringing nietzsche nonstop so like this is like it's on my mind all day but it i think he's right like life is not there's no destination man there's no final outcome there's no utopia no paradise there is a cycle of struggle right you live to struggle to overcome yourself and that's meaning that's what you derive your meaning it's not oh when i die i'll have my meaning or when i'm rich i'll have my mean i will be fulfilled when i win that world title or when i just follow this theory or system at the end of it it's not it's not so flat you know it's and i think we would be more fulfilled if we understood that you know instead of like constantly looking for for the easy way you know because i i looking back man like my best years in jiu jitsu day were way before i won world titles those were the happiest days to me like in jiu jitsu it was like when i was like getting in a van and going to tournaments like very little money with very little expectations other than um just being there with my friends and doing well and representing the team you know like that was and that was incredible right but it was there was no the reward was there was no reward no one knew who i was like there was no money there was no like you know big media but it was very meaningful you know in a very deep way yeah i would think it's probably because you were overcoming a lot more than you were towards the end of the career right like yeah essentially making that jump from purple bell to brown bell brown belt to black there's a lot of internal obstacles that you had to overcome things that you thought were limits that you actually they weren't you broke through them yeah you know so once you're at the end of the spectrum now the it's not as big as a deal like my girlfriend asked me oh don't you want to like compete again i'm like no i i fought a lot of the big names you know i've grappled with your grappling cyborg lovato like i know where i'm at on the on this totem pole so the rewards are very minimal now right yeah like i i know where i am in this hierarchy or what it can do you know i feel like there's some people that never get there yeah and i think those people usually struggle more with letting go because they never felt being at the top i i get that yeah so like then you have unanswered questions right like i feel bad like some fighters get injured and then they can never come overcome it it's like man that sucks because like they never got to test themselves right like you're you were a step away from the big shot and then you missed it but like if you got up to the big stage and you got to perform you don't really have regrets you you you did what you did you know and and you now know like this is what it's like at the top you know and i i can relate to because you know my real dream was to be a ufc champion right i was always like mine yeah jiu jitsu is a like they're stepping stones in between you know um and i i didn't i didn't make it in the ufc so there's always a part of me is like what you know like i i can still remember what it was like not to be a jiu jitsu champion because it's the same way i feel it's it's the same feeling right like i wonder what it's like on that side but you know an inner smarter brain goes it's the same [ __ ] there's no difference you have more money right more money more problems probably more reporters you know probably more fake people around you that comes with fame you know that comes with all these things so the department goes it will edit my better off would i have been better off with that like so of course i'd love to have that accomplishment on my resume but you know so it's very easy for for because we we've we fought at ecc we've grappled against some of the best in the world to tell some purple belt that's coming up in his dream and say oh man it doesn't really mean that much at the end you know how do you tell him that he's not going to believe you he's not going to believe it because but if he doesn't feel it if he doesn't have that feeling that we're describing he's gonna be wondering what it's like yeah and i think that's even worse that's like the and it's like i don't tell people not to i tell the man go for it like you go you see your dream man you go for it a hundred percent [ __ ] what people are saying you almost have to be a little irresponsible about it sure but if they ask me sincerely is it gonna be great on the other side i'll be honest with you like no this is just a same [ __ ] there's still more it's still like there's always something else you know like i think what game was it like uh ghosts and goblins like when you beat the game it just starts over which one ghosts and goblins i think i play that that's like a nintendo game and an arcade machine but like it was like yo says impossibly difficult game and then at the end when you beat it yeah it's like you just have to start over again like there's no like final thing you're like it's not a [ __ ] like it gets harder it gets harder it just goes up a level yeah yeah you just start all over again you know but it's like that you know so uh i had a friend of mine an old student that he had asked me he's you know like my age like 42 or 44 or something he's never fought mma before but now he wants to fight like dave should i do it like well i mean he's feels like a freaking ox like he's super strong i'm like you're strong enough you know and you have experience but you've never stepped in but how does he he's like 42 or 44 so like he's he's on the edge passion project it's a passion project right like if you know if it's one of those questions that are going to be bothering you might as well get an answer you know i just told just get matched up with someone around your age you know like don't fight some 20 year old kid you know but i i got a story similar to that one a little off topic where we're going but you remember donovan craig he was an editor for fight magazine back in the day he probably met him like okay he was the editor for fight magazine i think he was one of the founders of the magazine but so i knew him through the fight this was like 10 years ago and when he messaged me and he goes rob i'm going to fight mma before i get too old i want to fight you know he's like 40 something yeah i want to get at least one fight i've been reporting mma since i was you know a teenager i want to know what it's like to be in there will you corner me i'm like man i'd be honored yeah i'm assuming he'd been trained his whole life because i met him in a bunch of fight events but i never actually trained with him right but yeah i'll be in your corner so he's fighting tough enough amateur right and and i go to show that they have a fight he's warming up and he's i'm sorry if donovan ever listens to this i don't need to offend but i'm just telling it vividly as vividly as i can i see him hitting pads i'm like oh oh this is going to be bad i hope his jiu jitsu is really good he had no hands i know sorry don but he think he probably thought he did he had like really bad hands right i'm like ooh i hope his jiu jitsu is on point and this is like 15 minutes before the fight we're warming up dave and he walks up to me and he goes rob what do i do if the fight hits the ground oh and i'm like oh [ __ ] you don't train it's like no you've never tried never done jiu-jitsu in his life and i'm like this guy's been reporting him his whole life but he actually hasn't done much training and i'm like man so if you had to and his opponent is like this 23 year old kid jiu jitsu purple belt shredded like he looks like a super athlete like one of those crossfit freaks you know i'm like oh man this guy's going to get killed you know like oh i also want to tell him to like call the five minute don't go almost like but here we are you know i'll do my best so i have like 15 minutes to work with this guy so i teach him two things i teach him how to sprawl and i teach him a guilty he goes out there this is a true story man like this is legit you can't make this [ __ ] up he goes out there kid is like jacked and he's like he's actually pretty confident he walks in there he feels you know confident all right all right so start fi the the fight starts sure enough the kid shoots a double dave on my children donovan sprawls puts a guillotine on the kid jumps close guard taps the kid this is like one minute into the fight i'm thinking there's no way man let's go no way it's like i i yes yes best coach 10 minutes to work with the guy and no he pulled it off but that's crazy you know but yeah he just want to have that feeling that happened to another reporter matthew pauley he came to the gym years ago and he was interviewing a bunch of the fighters and he wanted i can't remember i remember training him for his fight i remember how it went but same thing reporter they want to fight and i respect those guys that's that's a lot of that's a lot of balls but i might reach because these guys have no background so they'll train for six months just to know what it's like and i have so much respect for that because um man it does take a lot of courage man like like i and i say this all the time i have no fear like shame saying this dave i was [ __ ] my pants every single time there's not a single time i stepped in that cage where i wasn't like like trying to make excuses in my head to quit like why did i just turn around and go home i don't need to do this why am i doing this oh i'm injured my knee kind of hurts maybe i'm saying like yeah yeah you're mindfucking yourself because you're so scared of being in there you know it's it's a real thing i think that's like again i know we talked about but just to like hammer it home everybody has those thoughts varying scales you know what i mean like for me i early on i had it towards the end i lost it all like but then again towards the end i also performed less as well as i did so i think it's good to have fear in you like if you have no i've competed with zero fear and i didn't do that well and i feel it's like the difference between being a robot and being emotional right like the emotions are good you have to channel them if you don't have any emotions then you have no skin in the game so it's kind of like you don't care and i think you lose a lot of that power like you definitely want to tap into it but i think those guys that report in particular like no training jumping in it's a mix of balls and ignorance right because i think if you train a little bit but you're just ignorant like yeah there's the correlate a lot yeah you know but like if you train a little bit then you realize man this is really hard i don't know as much as i thought you have to train a lot to be able to fight but if you have no training you're like oh i watched ufc i'm important on this i know what's going on they believe it i i know those guys all the time but you think about it too like i almost like admire and i admire their ignorance and because it correlates with their courage yeah they're so unaware of how much they some of these guys you're like yeah i have guys that walk in the gym they tell me i used to fight a lot in high school and they think that's enough yeah and i'm like oh you think you're going to be fighting in six months you're very brave yeah if you're ready to step into a cage with those skills they have no clue and then you got to put them with a 14 year old green belt yeah get triangle 19 times like oh [ __ ] i suck yeah you know i would have told you but it's it's one of those things you can't say it because people aren't prepared for reality they need to wrap it up in a lot of like code it with like layer after layer after a layer of [ __ ] and then oh no this is a good product it's like the the more full of [ __ ] someone is the better they do at selling i feel like you know you give people reality they can't handle it if you if i told my students or some of these guys like that walk the door to things and ufc champions like you don't seem to be like there's you can't yeah like you're you're your windows closed man like it's not you can't tell them that but maybe they shouldn't know maybe it's better to have that illusion because life is better if you have a little bit of illusion and you're able to dream a little bit imagine if you can't if you can't make giants out of windmills anymore like what do you do what are you i mean maybe people need that but i i have a tendency to like always try to be truthful like with the people i care about no for sure but it's it it doesn't always work i think using kids definitely dispels a lot of mr bravado i know we used enrico coco like that quite a bit enrico coco he could be acc so i know that yeah he he started with my brother and i was like 11 year old taekwondo black belt so he was already a really good athlete but he got into jiu jitsu he did really well with it but when he was like 13 years old we would have our college buddies come in and they think they're tough and like oh what with this kid and you know at the time he was a kid so he's a little pot belly and stuff like that like nobody thought much of him but man he was like hill-hooking people armbaring them choking them and you get to see the ego just because it means i love it it drops the floor and then like they're like okay now i'm ready to learn but like you said before that someone who thinks you could already be a ufc champ you can't teach them anything yet like you have to humble them you have to crush them but like the thing is not everyone's ready for being crushed no no because that's a strong soul to be able to be crushed and bounce back and i don't think that's something you can train man like i'm the conclusion that some people just want to live in their own heads you know be happy legends in their own minds yeah yeah like it's that's that's the part as a coach you can't i mean i would like to say maybe there's a way we can ease the guy into it but i don't really know it you know like the first thing is you have to destroy that ego and then you just hope that they can be bounced back from it yeah like there's a there's something in there that goes all right you got me this time but i'm gonna learn now and be able to beat you you know like that was how i was with my brother i remember i because my brother's a year older than me so he got into mma and no holds barred a year before me and i was wrestling in high school and i thought it was tough [ __ ] you know i just came from jay robinson 28 day camp and i'm you know entering my senior year and my brother's like dave you got to do the this mma stuff i'm like ah man i'm a wrestler he said just train with me a little bit and then i went to train with him and he arm barred me very naked choked me a bunch of times all right and in my mind's like after wrestling season i'm gonna kick your ass and i'm gonna learn this stuff that was me and my brother we always like of course you know but like it wasn't like i just recoiled right like i got humbled i'm like okay i'm gonna come back you know so that's what you gotta kind of hope for like when you smash someone's ego that they they have enough strength that they can come back into it i i wonder if that's something you can train though man i i think that's runs too deep man like i i think that like some of these traits they run so deep in the human psyche because the more on the outside of your psyche it is the easier it is to train it i believe oh yeah the more aware of it you are the more on the exterior like the e by the deeper you go i think the more fixed it is well it's like you're you're gonna have to dab to you all speculative of course like i don't know [ __ ] yeah but you you're gonna have to do psychology on this on this person right because like you said there's so many little factors like why is this guy have such an inflated ego oh maybe he was abused earlier in life and now he's made this shell to protect himself and if you crush that shell and nothing else yeah yeah you know so like i mean there's a whole ton of factors like we've talked about this before you know like most people going to the martial arts don't have a father figure it's not a coincidence you know there's a reason behind that you know so like you said as a coach you had to be like a psychologist a therapist oh yeah all these different things you know it's tricky you know like and you don't sign up for those jobs but they're they're there you are you become a therapist yeah you know and a father figure yeah it's it reminds me that speaking of someone who needs therapy like this guy dylan dennis okay going from an intellectual psychological conversation to the gossip of the week but dude like i loved i i i i taught dylan private when he was like what 14 13 years old his parents would come to vegas all the time and i used to teach him private and i'm going to tell you i should go train with martial i live in new york where should i go train oh marshall garcia yeah all right this was like 12 years ago and like i saw i thought he had potential he was hungry you know and yeah i even honest i didn't expect he was going to make it as far as he did it's actually surprising man he's like winning terms at the brown belt level doing well he was one of the top brown belts in the world for a long time right and he's a super talented kid man but then he went kind of that i need to be like the media kind of route which has its benefits i i couldn't do it dave but guys like him jake paul gordon connor i it's not that i don't i wouldn't know where to begin i can't do it's not that i don't want to it's hard for me like i know like okay i should post some things i'm like i just can't do that you know like i it's i don't want to say i can't i just got to find that motivation to like but to me like i i try to be authentic with everything i do you know i'm not just going to post something just dude it's exactly it's not authentic because it is you figure out the algorithm of human stupidity that's what i call it right and then you you you like you dive in and you put like the more because i've never done this but apparently you can like look into your instagram and find out what people are liking because i don't even know that [ __ ] i never care about yeah but apparently you can find out what what is trending on your own instagram account so you learned that and now there's an incentive to give more of what people want well guess what people want yeah garbage fast food sugar you know the easier it is the more they want it well it's like butts dogs cars exactly anything that is easily digestible that requires no thinking that is and then you know so we have i call it intellectual diabetes like it's equivalently just like there's so much [ __ ] cultural sugar like things that we don't have to digest there's no you know and and it's it and people fit people feed off of it's like a car accident like everyone no one people may not like it but they stopped to watch including me i saw dylan get choked out by a cop or a security guard or whatever you know like there's a part of me i wish i'd not seen that because i don't want to be feeding into this madness but like just by watching it i am part of the problem and i don't see a solution but like it in a crazy as crazy as it sounds i see i i'd probably i'd lose my [ __ ] dave if some security guard choking like that i know how drunk i am like i would not be okay with it but this helps dylan in his work because it helps because he probably gained a hundred thousand followers the next day but his and the way he sees things and i i don't think he needs that but he thrives off of it and it helps him in some way so maybe to each their own man like i i just couldn't do it yeah it's it's sad to me i mean like you said he's talented he i'm very telling he's very good you know like i mean it kind of makes it's hard to root for him because a lot of the trash talking is kind of ugh you know but on the legit level he's got skills you know he could do well he's not the best and jiu jitsu guy mma not even going but he has potential man sure and i told him this like dude like well he stayed with me for a few weeks a couple years ago three years ago whatever i remember he was here yeah and then i go like dude you got tons of potential like sink your teeth and put your head down and work you'd be surprised what you can accomplish but you know going that route of you know becoming a celebrity has its cost because you have to be like even conor does that non-stop he's always in trouble i i suspect it's pr it's intentional yeah i think it's he's got a pr agent goes dude you got to do something you lost your last five fights you got to do something so break the trolley at a bus like punch someone in the head and like steal someone's phone get into a fight like do anything and i think that is part of being on that that that track is just like you have to be remembered all the time to state what they call relevant i think that is the opposite of relevant i mean isaac newton was relevant right adam smith was irrelevant you know like roosevelt was ireland these people are relevant on the grand scheme of the world you know someone who's famous for being famous isn't yeah but in the age of you know like i guess people don't see it that way uh yeah it's sad man because it's not you know it's completely unnecessary i mean but again i'm part of the problem because we're a we're talking about it b i did watch the video yeah so it's that's the whole thing is if you're part of this work if that you're just feeding this auger which is madness when you think about how irresponsible it is how a response the algorithm is because it just feeds you up more of what you want there's no sense of i almost think that someone should intervene and go we gotta put [ __ ] breaks here man like we're feeding children garbage and it's just gonna get worse you know well you know the the problem is like that's how they make money right more eyeballs yeah then they could sell that to the advertisers and they economically make sense so they figured it out but i i get what you're saying because it's kind of like you give a kid free reign and go you can eat candy all day long yeah yeah or you can eat your salad it's a mistake what do you do the kid's gonna eat candy all day long you know what i mean he's gonna get sick and bloated you know but like on social media that's kind of what's happening like intellectual diabetes you know it's like what what do you do like what do you because if you're talking about children i strongly believe parents should intervene i took the ipads for my kids they have like a phone that's really old that barely works it has like two out it's actually sad how i card him like i barely let them play but they got used to it i give him books now man yeah they read you know and and it is possible you can do it it's an uphill battle but you can do it but when you're talking about adults at some point you can't tell an adult what to do i believe you should tell children what to do children should have zero freedom in my opinion shut the [ __ ] up do your homework clean the door that's the best way that's a good parent right no i'm not buying you a car when you're 18. [ __ ] you get a job that's a good parent you know i believe that's good parenting but at some stage you have to give them the reins and go like this is your life you live it as you wish and you know but what do you do when a population clearly does not have the faculties or the responsibility to filter the information that's coming at them and is choosing to live in a cultural cesspool of absolute like waste and that and that's what's happening here like it is taking such a negative turn like the internet is incredible man you can google you can like find like articles like interviews like really smart people there's some really interesting things out there oh yeah but it's the minority oh yeah i use it for that no you don't 90 of the time pay attention your screen time screen time doesn't lie yeah what are you doing be honest with yourself and i'm part of the problem i'm not pointing fingers i do this too you know but it's it's i think the algorithm is very very irresponsible you know it's just more what we're talking about the beginning which is people's minds are just not being uh used properly and like the the rise of ai is just gonna make things i i fear it's gonna make things worse yeah because it's gonna i was at a marketing conference and they're showing some things you can do ai it's fascinating you know and terrifying at the same time because both like any technology it's both apparently they've fed one ai essentially every book that's ever been digitized right so this book pretty much contains the whole sum of human knowledge yeah and they could do things just as crazy as writing copy you know like they can write sales letters they can write you know advertisements they can all these things so now like a job that you consider once was like well create a field this is the domain of humans and they're like no no no they're gonna do better than us yeah they're gonna be better because once we it's just a matter of time so what's next you're gonna have okay so you'll reach out for that cup of water right you're gonna have a computer that does that for you we're gonna have a computer that has sex with your wife for you like i'm too tired to [ __ ] you good tonight so i'm just gonna press play here and let the ai do it for me like what's next yeah like when does this i'm like oh it sounds like you're like dude we're not that's kind of where we're yeah you know that i mean it's funny you're saying it but it's not that's already in the works right they have sex robots right sex robots do underworld like wife is gonna have too tired tonight there's a sex robot in the closet go for it you know or you know you're i mean we're really not driving our kids to school like we don't you know we don't make and i'm not saying like i'll give you that this is this is the revelation like i never cleaned the pool you know i have a pool of my house you'll never clean it i will go uh during covey like people weren't coming over so there's like maybe like four times like you know i had to clean the pool right i'm like oh [ __ ] i gotta clean the pool i have to google it learn how to do it whatever you know call people okay figure out how to do it and then the first five minutes like this sucks after a while like i kind of got in the zone there yeah it's not too bad you know i kind of enjoy you know and i watch my mom gardening and she loves the garden right i'm like actually it looks kind of fun like little plants growing and like you're you have like a relationship with that thing so i i think that these little simple things that there's there's a lot of happiness and wisdom there but we're moving away from these things you know i'm not saying i want to be a gardener full-time or clean pool that would suck too but like i think we're not meant to be doing a one thing the whole time mechanical sure i think it's it's inhumane in fact to have someone do the exact same thing their whole life we're meant to do more and not doing anything is equally bad because you're meant to be doing things like you have to have like a variety of different ways where you engage with the world not only physically but also intellectually and if you have that i think who knows what a fulfilling life is but i think that's somewhere on the right track well i what you said about doing the same thing forever that's kind of how i felt like that's an early death right if your life doesn't change you don't change you're dead already dead people don't change right like your life should always be in my humble opinion evolving yeah there should be different pursuits passions or at least even in in the martial arts you might start off with a student become a coach you know or an athlete then a coach and then maybe you move on to something else you know like and you you need to give yourself different stimuli because if you're just doing the same thing you know you kind of already been there right it would be like eating the same food for the rest of your life it'd be pretty bland boring you know like it's exactly like you can't like no matter how much you like something yeah sushi every day you know yeah you gotta twist it up season it differently you know like you know something's gotta gotta be mixed up you know so i feel like that what you're saying just like trying different things going that's why i like traveling because it's the easy way of experiencing a new world right without having to do anything entirely yourself you don't have to get creative you just go somewhere and explore figure things out you know i think that keeps you young in a sense like yeah you start getting old in in when you don't change your thinking right like you become stubborn or rigid and that's that's kind of like that's a whole topic for an old another uh podcast because i i could see myself it's only you have to fight that you know but i think there's a tendency with age where you become more fixed in your own ways and it's almost like an effort to remain open minded to all kinds of change like in jiu jitsu i've always been like aware of this because i remember believe it or not for those who are listening i'm referring to his old school today but there was a day where i was new school i had it all figured out i had like four spider guard sweeps three from half guard i'm modern as [ __ ] you know like people laugh at that today but that's kind of the feeling was it's like if you if you knew spider guard oh wow you know it's kind of like a big deal uh but you know um i've always been aware that one day that was going to change and there's going to be a new generation who's going to do me i'm going to know more than me and i've always been okay with that i've never never bothered me which is strange to me like guys from old school like all this smarter stuff wouldn't work in a fight oh yeah because your collar jokes would right this choke right here is like man accepted things have evolved and it's for the better if you love jiu jitsu you want jiu jitsu to improve regardless if you're on the floor you have to be in front you have to be in the vanguard of evolution for you to love appreciate the evolution right can you be in the back watching like i've done my part i've made it up to here and now you guys carry on because the truth is all these little shits these purple belts thinking they invented and create [ __ ] you had it handed to you previous generations it's easy to make fun of the grand masters and go oh look at their jiu jitsu they suck having me trial and error those guys had to go for just a real like just get to the conclusion of a flower sweep just to get to reach those conclusions how much trial and error they had to go through without internet without tons of competition man it's incredible what they did right so it's you should never like [ __ ] on them you always remember like man i'm here because of them um but like there's a um there's something about uh the um it's foreign getting rolled around that's probably gonna know no but yeah no but like it's it's accepting that change like i've always been okay with with jiu jitsu for example i've always been okay with jiu jitsu change and i've always felt i'm perfectly fine watching my students pick up from where i left off and i'll do that if i expect that of them well yeah if you're if you're a good coach that's what you want you want your athletes you should be able to start smashing you absolutely yeah like i look at what my guys were how much ground they covered in such short time versus how long it took me like i remember like i have guys that throw head cakes within like a week like man it took me like probably a year or two you learn how to throw a good head cake like it just took so long because i had no like natural ability to do it or no good instruction for it so like i see like every time the next generation is able to grow up so much faster you know so like of course they should be way better than you you know the only thing that you have on them is that experience which you're always going to have until you die right but like i mean at a certain point like everybody should be able to eclipse you yeah and that's i think this desire so anyone who is overly excited about how much better than they are in the older generations is not really doing a lot of thinking i think old school should be happy for the changes but in other realms just has always been easy for me for some reason but in other things it's harder and i think to be open-minded yeah well not open-minded i i do think that and i know we just talked a ton about this but just to wrap it up like i think technology is making people unhappy oh i i think so i think it it makes life more complicated in pursuing happiness right because like you said you go on social media and now you can compare yourself to every single person on the planet yeah and it's kind of a big scale right like it's easier to figure out your place when your vision's smaller right it would kind of be like trying to hunt for my airplane yeah it's like man you're way too high up there you could see a million different things which one do i actually go after versus when you're on the ground i mean i can only see so much yeah i could focus i'm like okay there you know but if i have to look at everything i'm you know i'm wondering i don't know where i'm supposed to be in life you're confused there's too much going on called the tyranny of choice yeah it's like going to cheesecake factory like their menu is like 20 pages i hate that i hate that i don't go to cheesecake factory for that reason the menu is too big i want to go to a place like like four options and that's all it does make things faster easier almost better yeah i think being you know more limited right like i know like from a dining point of view i see a big menu i think oh this is going to be crap because just from a specialist point of view how are you going to be good at making 50 different dishes yeah there's no way oh no like man you go to a nice restaurant usually it's like you have two or three set menus like okay like this is their jam they know this they can do that you know they don't have to like give you know such a wise trusted they're gonna like it yeah like you go like i'm going for french cuisine so i already know on the bat is french okay i'm gonna get duck you know this all right i know i'm good right like if you have to shotgun to try to capture a giant audience you're also going to have bad aim i want to um i thought i would never want to own a restaurant because it sounds like even more work than a gym and i'm good so but like i thought i've had this idea before like if i ever had a restaurant i'd have like like no menu there'd be like a day like a daily special yeah and that said if you don't like it go somewhere else i think it'd be a hit they think it's so different like this is all you get because we cook one meal a day and that's it yeah they they do that in quite a few places yeah like the chefs you know i've seen it where they do it for like a week like okay chef's menu for this week it's just this all right and the apollo you know it makes sense on many fronts one you're probably gonna get the best version of that plate because he's not being distracted or the chef is doing that two from an economic standpoint the restaurant knows we just have to hoard up this stuff yeah we don't have to buy so many different things and let's just spoil oh yeah right now i can that you know and then three i think for the customers probably easy you don't have to like oh what am i going to get right you sit down you don't they just bring it to you there's no there's there's no ordering yeah you sit down and someone just brings you like i prefer that to be honest i mean as long as there's no liver like i can't eat livers but the only thing i don't eat like everything else i'm cool with so i would love a place like that so that's an idea for you guys in case anyone's thinking about a restaurant if you do it open in vegas near spring mountain area i'll be a customer there we go um dave where are we at man like what time is it yeah it's three o'clock i gotta get going yes sir um dude i had a lot of fun as always yeah uh i'll be here next week all week too so also get another one in we'll do it hope you guys enjoyed thank you for listening to our [ __ ] again saving the world multiple times over your two favorite superheroes robert dryzer and david avelin have a good day peace [Music] you