BTG 58 - The Return

[Music] hey guys what's going on david avalon here with my co-host robert drysdale for another episode of breaking the guard and load 59 uh i believe it might be 58 so one of those two one or the other i know it's pretty good it's been a while after i looked it's like it's been six months it's been six months six months i was gonna say two months holy [ __ ] really yeah it's been that long believe it or not you know it's you know it's when two people awesome people are really busy that's what happens what was funny was the last episode was titled sloth it's appropriate it was very fitting yeah okay no excuses because like we lived literally like five minutes away not even like literally i think i've walked here before i got that's how close it is you know um yeah no man like i just been slammed there's like so much going on and um i've seen you've been traveling quite i've been traveling a lot like seminars work in general um like the thing is like my my life in vegas almost like runs itself now it's on autopilot which is like it took me 14 years to get there you know and it comes down to finding the right people like marcelo's been awesome he he puts out the fires even before i hear about them and that's a rare quality in someone right so that's been good it's freed up my time so now i can do more i'm working on that book i think i told you about it last time and i've been getting my ass kicks i think i'm rewriting but it's like the third time i i'm rewriting it because it's such a hard thing to organize man like opening close guard was such an easy book to write because it was just like interviews and in between the interviews what i was thinking right it's like the story of the journal such an easy book to write in terms of organization this other one is like so much harder but that's been so my free time is going there i'm either researching on it or i'm writing it and then yeah between that and the traveling i'm busy but uh yeah man i just gotta i was just telling you earlier i gotta start getting back into training more like i kind of slow down thinking that my injuries are gonna get better when i slow down and they don't no they don't they don't you gotta push through it man like i don't know what these doctors are thinking take time off like they're wrong you take time off it gets worse yeah that's what i learned from personal experience you gotta you just gotta do whatever you can without pain yeah whatever that is you know like yes yes if i find that balance right yeah because i'm like aggravating it you know yeah yeah so like you want you don't want to push through the pain because then you're messing it up like essentially pain is just a signal letting you know something's wrong there like i just tweaked my knee yesterday doing a takedown i tripped somebody and then like i ended up hurting myself afterwards like small tweak but now like what i did i just walked for an hour and then i'm getting weights and doing whatever i can but it's just oh it's frustrating getting old you know what i think that like i mean i'm no i'm no physiologist here but like i'm thinking the blood flow does something for healing like as long as the blood is flowing so whatever you can do even if it's on a bike on a treadmill i [ __ ] hate the treadmill but like even that is just keeping that blood flow i'm thinking about doing yoga because that's like it's kind of this yoga is so boring to me like i can't just i'm so bored man i feel the same way it's just not it's like this isn't that much things like yoga yogurts that i get i'm on that that that between where it's it's too easy where i'm not really feel like i don't feel like i'm getting a workout out of it but at the same time it's hard enough to prevent me from relaxing it's like in between it's in between a workout and relax it's like what is this like i feel like i'm getting nothing done here it's like i'm in between either gonna be relaxing or i gotta be working super hard i don't wanna be tweeted it's funny because when i met my my wife she was doing yoga and she's been doing it now 10-15 years she does contortion now but i remember i'm like i was at the end of my athletic career so i'm like okay what is like show me some yoga i got i'm same thing like this is really boring okay but it but it was boring but not fun right because i was like it's still strenuous i'm like is there any like passive yoga where like i could just like get in a good healthy position that stretches but it's not so taxing yeah yeah and like there's very limited poses you know there's a couple other ones but like oh man this is hard and that's it i was like it's just like i know it's good for me like i should feel good afterwards but like here's the thing like jiu-jitsu is really hard on your body in every sense of the word right mentally physically like your injuries like muscle-wise cardio-wise but i'm rewarded at the end like i passed your guard i'm like yes there's a feeling of accomplishment there that i get excited about that that thrives man that's what keeps me going is the fact that i just beat your guard right that's what makes me you know makes you want to come back like yoga i don't kind of feel that like i feel like okay i stretched like a little bit more than i did last time maybe i don't know i don't get a kick out of that you know it doesn't feel like i'm accomplishing anything so it's hard for me to be motivated because it's just like [ __ ] this is all boring yeah i prefer just working out over just doing yoga like i've been doing a lot of the knees over toes guys stuff yeah which is stretching but it's stretching on our load right so yeah you're lifting weights or you're doing some type of like um there's a exercise component to it also it seems to pass a time easier versus like sitting in a stretch for like five ten minutes yeah it's like oh man i don't know like especially like you said like martial arts is so engaging in every sense of the word right like physically mentally spiritually like yeah it's got a lot going on so it's easy to pass time that way like it's not difficult to oh i gotta get myself to to train jiu jitsu like that's fun all right it's hard to say how do i not train [ __ ] too yeah and not only that too like when you how it's like this is like the hardest thing for old men i i people don't think i'm at all like like physically we're old this [ __ ] like we're we're like 65 years old physically you know that right physically like mentally i don't know but i don't know about being that old there's a lot i always say there's a lot of mileage but i still see myself as a high performance vehicle okay i know good for you but like it's it's hard because you go from from like being super you know athletic it's just and then where do you go from there because how do you get that excitement you know it's like you're okay you're talking about a performance vehicle right like you're you're a ferrari and then the next day you're like what's below a ferrari but still kind of fast like you're a mercedes and then next thing you know you're a volkswagen the next day you know you're a volkswagen beetle it's just like you can see like and it's hard to get that same excitement because part of the reason why i loved fighting so much was exactly that like it was driving at a thousand miles an hour you know and it's and it's difficult to find excitement in other sports like for like lifting weights has never been fun to me i do it for health reasons yeah you know and because i'm single you know pretty much like that's the only reason i i'd ever go to the gym but like i don't enjoy it i don't think it's fun i don't think running is fun i gotta kind of get a kick running outside outdoors can be fun nice weather yeah um or like mountain bike i used to mountain bike a lot as a kid like that was that was fun but like it's hard to get excited about working out because you're not as stimulated in the same way it's a big step down in terms of stimulation yeah like now like i have a pretty good routine going i walk for like a just about an hour every day and that to me now is my time to reflect oh yeah yeah yeah so like i just walk and i just think i don't have earbuds or anything yeah i just think and i have weird situations going on in my head like what have someone try to stick me up how am i gonna you know typical violent fantasy situations i go through and then either that um i lift two three times a week train three five times a week archery once a week shooting once a week stretching six times a week like i have all these things structured and i throw them all in there but it's like a variety of things but like the one thing i would want to do more than anything is trade martial arts but that's the one thing i found that like i have to limit my volume of it right like i can only handle so much of it and you have to learn how to enjoy um like rolling for rolling not trying to win because like my wrists are so damaged dave like i literally i was training yesterday it's like almost like i'm almost like i can't train because my hands hurt so i need cortisone the only thing that helps me like cortisone on my wrist um and i've been avoided in my whole life but now i'm gonna start injecting myself every five months just cortisone because i can't i get chemours on people i literally have to let go i put naked chokes on people i literally i'll have them in a renicu choke and i'm going if i finish this i'm gonna be in so much pain over the next like seven eight days yeah that i just let go so now i roll without going for submissions i literally let go of them and that's like killing because that was a whole that was the whole point was to make people tap it's like well you know this is this is awful but uh i i just got to take more care of myself but uh yeah anyway that's more a matter of it's a new kind of discipline i'm becoming familiar with yeah so like that's what then weightlifting they're very familiar with they call it maximum recoverable volume yeah like how much output can you physical output can you do that you can still recover from right so what i've been learning over the past few years like i could lift weights every day no problem but if i stack something else on top of a strenuous like for example martial arts definitely a problem yeah like there are there's some people saying oh i lift in the morning and train at night or vice versa like i can't do that yeah i fall apart pretty fast even training like twice a day i can't do that either yeah i tried it once and i was wrecked for like five six days yeah remember like uh someone said oh do the fighter training when it was like cage wrestling i did fine i'm like okay i feel a little tight in that big deal like oh we're doing another session in the evening showed up at the very last second of the training session there's literally one second left someone tried to put me down with a quarter turn left landed and rolled my ankle the knee popped boom like and it wasn't too bad but then my face got scratched up back was it felt like i got hit by a truck it's just a total disaster i'm like man i was trying to do two a days yeah i'm like that's why i like look at some of these guys like lover tasha like i don't know how they do it how's he in there he's like 44 here's the thing though too it all depends on like look at vitor belfort right like he has had the longest career in the history of mma he started his first fight when he was 16. right he's like what 45 now was last time that he fought he was like 44 or something right so like that's a long career i've always taken steroids yeah steroids help but they're not miracle performing it's not like oh my god your first shirt's like dude you have to watch out you have to take care of your body because steroids only will not do that like no amount of hgh is gonna make you that healthy you know and i think with a guy like vitor for example and i've i've been in some of his camps dude he's really smart about his train almost to the point where it makes no sense how he trains like he is there's zero impact in his training like zero so it is a matter of how much impact when you were driving that car or how much were you stepping on the gas versus just learning how to drive technically without pushing that threshold every single session you know and like the guy like vito like he wrote combat role like let's go to war i don't think i've ever seen him do it it was a lot of drilling a lot of training and i can't train like that first of all because it's boring i can never train like that's incredibly boring to me i can't do it second i don't feel like i'm pushing the limits of technical or physical right but i think might be one of those things to a guy like vtor is so incredibly talented he's so physically talented that he makes up for that he knows that when he has to like switch gears his body will respond right with time you know where he's like i'm not that gifted of an athlete i have to be on the verge of the limits of the very limits of what my body can perform so i can push that threshold because i can't just switch gears like that and go a notch above i'll give you another example like abu shaysha you ever watched that guy grapple pay attention to his matches he's losing all the time and this one you think he's got nothing left in the tank what does he do turn the fight around like 10 seconds left he does it over and over and over it's like he's got this extra little just like one most people will be on their way down it's like he's got a little more in i mean and it's something and it's it's uh um i think a lot of that is it's not just because from all accounts he actually doesn't train that much either i think he's gonna have a long career because he's not one of those guys killing himself in the gym every day from what i hear at least i train with him only once but um a lot of his training parts like no he actually trains once a day and skips a day here and there like he's not one of those guys who thinks in the gym three times a day and he's not you know and a lot of guys are like that and i'm saying that works for everyone but i think people that are so incredibly gifted they can push not push the threshold every day and as a result they're going to have longer careers add that to you know how you eat how much you sleep how much you take care of your body genetic component you know all the add these things i think some people can uh i mean floyd mayweather what is it 45 and he's sharp as hell like holy cow like how are you that sharp because your reflexes go down like you're supposed to right like yeah i mean i'm sure he's in the gym all that but like i think that he has so much not only a genetic component but he has so much expertise around him like they kind of groomed him to be exactly who he is they saw him as a child they saw the potential and then we're going to watch out this guy make sure he has as much longevity as possible versus like in gymnastics you know you know what they do with kids right borders on abuse they chew you in and spit you out oh that's true you're out it's exactly what they do by the time you're 24 you're done no and they're cut throat as far as like selection oh it's very good because my wife was a gymnast at one point she did ballet and all that and like right away like she always tells me the story like her ballerina teacher or whatever yeah saw her and they go up your turn out's very limited you're never going to be a prima donna that's it yeah done right yeah yeah and it's it's brutal man but like this i mean the nature of competition kind of is that way you know and it could be wrong but um i remember i was speaking to a gymnast and he was part of the us team for a minute he was like way up there and i was talking about getting my kids into competitive gymnastics and before i finished my statement he said don't do it and i'm like man you you were like quoted for the olympics like what are you talking about he's like don't do it it's bad like he was like straight up advocating against it because i think he saw what it did to his body and what it did to people around him and it says something about you know maybe you know lifestyle like what is is it worse is it worth like pushing that like you know making the candle burn so bright to the point where it runs out like sooner than it should you know and i think that's what a lot of these sports do but at the same time man like had he not been on the national team would he been as fulfilled like it's hard for me to i destroyed my body in jiu jitsu but do i regret it hell no hell i could be in a wheelchair i still wouldn't regret it me personally you know like i'd still like it was totally worth it maybe 20 years from now i'll feel differently i don't know you know but it's it's a question man i think it's it's not like there's lifestyle is important at the end of the day like you have to be able to like live well not just you know have competitive success yeah i think especially when you talk about like i don't know that much about the world gymnastics but at least from my understanding of female gymnastics your peak is essentially when you're a teenager yeah like there's no 30 year old i think there was one last olympics and she was and that was like a anomaly right yeah but like so it's it is what you're saying which is kind of crazy it's like your your peak is going to be when you're still like in your formative years just because of i guess your weight to strength facial whatnot it seems like a lot of pressure to put on a child you know and then like what's next after their life it's like every essentially the whole life was just for this one moment that's just at the beginning like of conscious life almost you know i mean like you're in your first 10 years of being conscious i don't remember anything like before i was like seven or eight it's like man it seems like a a lot of pressure to put on you and then you don't have like a vision for what's going to be after that yeah yeah i like the idea of martial arts that when we see all the time people who could be in their 60s 70s and they're still training to some capacity right they're still being part of the sport it would be harder for me like if like i was wheelchair-bound essentially like i couldn't participate in the sport anymore after my 20s you imagine like for whatever reason you just can't do mixed martial arts anymore after 20 your body just didn't work and you had to sit on the sidelines for your next 50 years yeah yeah i said oh man that's that's that's harsh you know like i i want to be there you know the whole time like i like teaching i like training i like being involved with it i like seeing being having some direction future athletes or whatnot so uh yeah that whole that's why i feel like martial arts is also like a lifestyle that you say like all the things that we do to stay healthy and to keep our mind sharp you know and there's a lot of research going into like i was talking to one of my friends alvin he's like this the amount of technique that's involved in mixed martial arts is just astounding right like the game is i i don't think there's any sport as complex no i've said this before and people like it's always like sounds arrogant when you're saying something like that but like i can't think of anything especially mma yeah like it's like what show me something that has more to me i i think chess is simple in comparison i really do i think chess is like two-dimensional it's two flights like it's like a [ __ ] board like compared to that to an octagon right you know and you're talking about uh in chess you have what likes five unique pieces whatever it is like it's five or six unique pieces you have a fixed chessboard you know everything at the start yeah you don't have that in mma you know you don't know what the hell you're dealing with on the other side what moves emotionally too yeah talk about the emotional control like okay i'm going to play kasparov and i gave him a chest or i'm going to fight francis nagano and then they fight i'm like not the same i'm sorry i don't care what people say not to say and one of them there's a real possibility that you could be seriously harmed or die the worst they could have to chess games you get humiliated yeah and it may lead to endless possibilities of what could actually happen in terms of like bad right uh no i i think yeah fighting is super complex that's why i love it i love the the the the complex i think it's like there's a part of my book i mentioned this is like what is more complex in terms of you know emotional physical intellectual because it is intellectual you don't think of fighting as something intellectual but it is sure there's how much mental effort goes into strategizing perfecting technique perfecting methodology in the gym right there's tons of science going on we don't we don't think of fighting as scientific but it is oh yeah it is we just don't think of it that way because science to us is a guy in a lab writing papers no one reads you know like but that's not it like it's there's methodology behind it right like what are the best methods to train someone we're constantly i mean i've changed my class methodology i don't even know how many times you know it's just that we don't collect data to actually go like what are the best kinds of training like what we don't do that we should right you know of what we talked about with the whole moneyball thing yeah exactly for mma or jiu-jitsu there's just so many more variables that's hard like to like where do you start almost yeah yeah you have all the different types of body types and frames and heights and weights and we're not even talking about the skill levels yeah oh my god there's infinite variables and then you know and then i i say this a lot in class my students are probably entirely saying this but we have when we practice jiu jitsu right we have the same rule set let's say it's ibjf whatever it is you have the same rule set it applies from rooster to ultra heavy yeah but the techniques that we use for rooster and ultra heavy it's almost like two different sports even though it's the same rule set so when we teach jiu jitsu we teach it under one roof right but when in reality is every weight class has its own game you watch the rooster as you go up you see the game change every weight class now there are similarities right but the similarities if you pay close attention they're mostly in regard to the rules themselves you win by submission you score two points when you sweep but are the submissions the same no are the sweeps the same no are the two points being scored here or they're they're never the same completely different occasionally you get the same right but it's almost hard to think of a move that consistently takes place a specific move that consistently takes place in the ultra heavy division and in the rooster division think of one it's hard to think of one like maybe arm bar maybe a half card squeeze pass or something like that even though you don't see a lot of half card passing the rooster division right it's you know because it's so tiny uh hey watch i don't know if you saw that match at michael caldwell yeah that was like crazy i didn't see it yeah i i know i don't know i heard it was a good match it wasn't a very good match but like that's an example of guys just converting and but it's it's and then you see that and it changes dramatically of course you're going to find something you're going to see real naked choking both right but and this is what's interesting this is why like i've gotten so much criticism for my style of teaching i and it's been such a problem but i'm like i'm right i'm not budging because i'm not wrong you guys are going by fashion i'm going by logic i am right logic always wins at the end what is the center i call it the center what is the what are the techniques that work everywhere there's only a few of them where naked choke arm bar underhooks underhooks work everywhere right like there's like there's a half there's like maybe not a half dozen but there's like maybe 20 techniques 30 techniques right that will be good call the center everything that escapes the center is becomes marginal margin the more so you get this guy right here who loves to invert right this guy right here he only wants to do takedowns or you get that guy he loves lapel guard and you get the guy that he only wants to do hill hooks and the margins go rob me me me and i'm going that's great if i were a personal coach that would make sense that i would uh emphasize that which you are more apt to do but because i'm teaching a group of 300 people i can't do that i have to focus on what yeah the center and the way i describe this to people is if you were taking care of a tree you wouldn't water the fruit would you what do you water yeah you are the roots yeah that's how the tree grows right and if the fruit happens to die what happens if the tree is healthy there's gonna be another fruit coming out yeah and i'm not trying to toot my own hair but like i've always managed to keep like if there's never been a moment in my gym where it wasn't a good room you can anyone i've had like 80cc champions go to my gym and they're going to get a hell of a workout and i'm not the one training with them yeah and they're going to work hard right because there's a constant flow of what new people coming but the thing is when you focus on the margins you lose the center and the center is 90 of your students right so you have to focus as a coach if you have a big group if you have individuals it's different but if you have a big group you have to focus on the center you have to focus on the things that work for everyone otherwise you're ostracizing most of the room because if i show a rubber guard how many people in my room can do it yeah like how many people can do a bearing bowl i can barely do a bearing bowl and i'm very flexible for my size yeah you know but most people can't you know but it's like and the people that why don't you teach more of this i'm like why would i for you right makes no sense and you get to see like you you guys had a bunch of competitions past weekend and the one thing i saw in common which is what i know you guys are good with arm triangle arm triangle aren't trying yeah because it works for everyone yeah yeah it's true it's like i never thought about that you're right like that's one of the moves like we do work a lot on that i just never thought marcelo won by arm triangle in his mma fight that was it was a that was a crazy fight too and then yeah and i think it was the what is that thing the smoking high rollers by the way i saw there was a team that was called comiendo cool or something i was like are you serious is that really a team that would happen but like there was a bunch of round triangles you guys got there yeah no it's because we do a lot of arm triangles this past fight to win uh nick yeah because it's something that okay it's it's it's not a trendy move perhaps but i i don't like you gotta be careful with trends because like what is the purpose of a trend trends and this is like my most recent critique of jiu-jitsu actually i got another book that i'm thinking about writing and um it's a cultural critique of what has changed in jiu-jitsu in the last 20 years and and it is i started having these ideas when i was reading on the history of judo and i'm thinking like why is judo kohi why is think about it judo's been around for 140 years even wrestling even though wrestling is much older in fact wrestling influenced a lot of judo even the rule set most dogs have ever admitted but it's very similar to a wrestling rule set yeah pin you know like it's that's that's that's wrestling yeah they didn't invent that they got it from wrestling um but like wrestling as an organized sport is not that old because it came back after was never organized in the dark in the middle ages right whatever it was it was something that survived in some circles but it's not it's something fairly new in terms of organization and even so i don't think it's as widespread as judo but rest will be the closest thing to it but in terms of like judo it has it has a cohesiveness to it right 140 years old it's still around my guess 140 years from now i think they're still going to be around because in judo you have and i'm i think in terms of martial arts i got like judokas love me when i call it brazilian judo instead of brazilian jiu jitsu and then they hate me when i say what i'm going to say next because like every now and then someone will write me and then i'll say but they in terms of martial arts they're very flawed because they've limited so many no no no no no no the more you limit the more you say no to someone the less of a martial art it is because a real martial art would mean what you know [ __ ] everything all right and then they've created so many limitations that they they it crippled them in a lot of ways they don't like to hear that but it's true yeah there's so many things you can't do you know and then um but in terms of like culture i think it was brilliant what they've done because they've created a purpose there is purpose behind judo and it's not me and it's not you they just go to kano either by accident or by thinking about these things he reached the conclusion that there has to be this is what's best for judo judo comes first and everyone that is in judo is working towards that same purpose so if you're like if you're on a ship and everyone's like on the scene saying like well this is what we're doing right like any military guy will tell you this like you're better off with an army of 20 people with a purpose than with an army of a thousand people doing different thousand different things right right like if ship if i'm a captain you're a captain and you go left and i go right we're gonna hit the iceberg we're gonna go titanic it doesn't matter how big the ship is you go titanic right there has to be purpose like we're all going the same direction and in judo there's an agreement of what is what are their core values i'm not saying they're perfect they don't they're always perfect but there is an agreement that what's best for judo is due to as a means of education it is a way of improving on the human being right that's they believe that they they have that ethos very ingrained in their culture and i ask you this now they in brazilian jiu jitsu brazilian jiu jitsu specifically what is the what is that unifies jujitsu what is it that keeps jiu jitsu together other than joe rogan and and fashion because it's very fashionable right now so fashion but fashion changes like i saw my sister wearing bell bottoms the other day i'm like wait what those are back that's that's jujitsu for you it's a no bottom it's just pants spill bottoms it's fashion pretty soon we're back like 20 years from now we're back to skinny jeans you know like what is it that keeps jiu jitsu together other than fashion and i couldn't i couldn't think of anything like it's hard to think of what is it that keep like what is our what is our purpose okay so you think about everyone's training jets in the world what are we where are we going where where what what direction are we taking it's hard to think of something that we all agree on because everyone has their own ideas yeah i mean if you go again the trends kind of show a little bit about what people are thinking about as a as a group right like if something's trending a lot like leglock's trended for a while right and uh yeah i know i would always think towards submission right that seems to be popular but that's not always the case like you said because brambolas became very popular which is sweep or reversal and i'm not so much a sweep so it's hard to say but i mean for me at least as a martial artist is about being as efficient as possible right so like when we have new moves and people don't know the counters to them it's very efficient at first and then as people develop counters that move wanes and effectiveness and then it's like okay what's the next shiny bubble that i'm gonna go after you know i mean like what's the next unexplored territory that we can gain maximum efficiency from yeah but i think that's the problem in the sense what you're saying is that that's always changing because something that uh is unexplored territory there is initially high value in being there first yeah yeah right you're a pioneer yeah and so you're gonna know the land lay the land better and you're gonna be able to exploit it but then once everybody settles now it's like okay this is not that cool anymore i need to go out somewhere else to find that next unexplored part and there's a role for that for like innovators right because that's to yield you know a lot of interest but going back to you or you're saying you want to be in the center from a coaching perspective that has the most value because because you know the most about that area you're able to better teach it to people right otherwise if you're trying to teach stuff you don't know about yet you're a fraud right like you're like oh the next thing is uh was it leg locks leg locks i want to show you everything i know about legs log and then you're like dusty brown or whatever you know because the guy that does the fake disarms and stuff like that oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you do he's famous now yeah he's super fast he's famous for being he's infamous let's say yeah yeah i like that you know that's why like fame doesn't really have as much value anymore to me because back in the day when you're a famous because you're right generally it meant that you did something you're a badass it's something amazing like an idiot and be famous yeah so now it's like well what are you besides that it's a sign of decadence yeah yeah what was it like i guess like what i'm thinking here is in terms of culture like what is it that keeps everyone together and this is why you see the group disintegrating all the time because there's no joint purpose so if you think of like the catholic church like regards what your beliefs are like how long has the catholic church been around like let's say 1800 years the historian here i'm gonna go counts of nicaea yeah something like 1800 years right it's a long [ __ ] time it's only two thousand years you're still around why what is it that keeps them together it's not just christianity because you see christianity like there's like so many different branches like to have a core set of beliefs the pope is god's representative on earth and so and so and i'm not a catholic so i'm not going to go dive into the the core beliefs of the catholic church but they have a core set of beliefs that they agree on right let's say you are a democrat or republican right there's a core set of beliefs that's constantly changing too but like there is a more or less let's say you're a communist right there's a core set of beliefs that you believe in and that right there is a cohesion of the group and if you think of any group that lasts a long time they have a core set of beliefs that guides the behavior of the group versus the group taking advantage of that particular belief to benefit themselves right so for example if i use jiu jitsu that's best for me and maximize money and ticket sales right now that short term will benefit me but the group suffers in the long term because it's not necessarily what it may or may be coincidentally right that's with a group but that is a secondary force the primary force is what is best for me and as a result the group suffers but if you look at things that last a long time they have a cohesiveness to this where the group goes what is best for the group right and what's best for the group is what guys behave an individual and if the individual happens to benefit that is the secondary force the primary force the guiding force is always what what is best for that core belief system in this case whatever the catholic church corporations have to be like your political party judo right and this is where i'm looking where ib jeff failed miserably and i i i'm a supporter of ibj jeff i think if jiu jitsu is to survive another 50 years it's because of like what they're there logistically at least they've created something very cohesive but in terms of values and like i mentioned this to them before it's like you guys don't have one like judo has a core belief system they you they have rules man like they have like the culture to shape the culture did you have those really like ethical values all of it yes like what is it what is the purpose of judo like they they don't answer it like there's i mean there's a list of things like like they think that they uphold as judokas right and they may be perfect or imperfect but it's at least the ship is going in one direction or the other and everyone agrees on what the direction is you just said there's none of that finally something just it's just like it's just okay we got tournaments they're organized metals are beautiful technically technically badass never been better but there's more to that because technique itself alone is not enough because if it were catch wrestling would have taken off 100 years ago why didn't it yeah because the techniques are not different what's different between adcc and catch wrestling i don't know enough about that no it's the same [ __ ] it just it just techniques got better they got more sophisticated but it's like catch russ and did it first i mean catch wrestling is older than everything you're going to get to it like it's our submission why it's older than jujutsu it's older it precedes it it's the oh wait why because i think this is why they never is that they don't i don't think they have that core set of beliefs that an organization like the quarter con created for judo well yes in response to that what it seems like for example when i think of jiu jitsu or like mma they're sports yeah right whereas judo is a sport but it's also a martial art yeah i think like you said it's for them it's a way of life yes it's a way of life yeah whereas there's a lot of people that says that they like to say martial lifestyle and that sounds like cool like oh martial lifestyle that means i travel and i train or whatever all this stuff but like but it doesn't really entice come with what you're saying like moral values or like you know how you would respond to certain situations or your life beliefs about that so that seems to be separated you know but like if you look at all of our major sports they all don't have that either there's no like values systems in baseball or football or anything like that and these are big they're sports and they're massive but they don't have that type of unity which i'm not sure from a marketing perspective is beneficial or or not but i would definitely think from a culture perspective like you're saying it would be because you could be instilling some good values into people right like that that's what drew people into the martial arts in the first place after watching like movies like the karate kid and stuff they had this thing oh you know like it teaches them control and discipline self-respect and all that and that's how they get people start moving into the martial arts in the west you know i mean uh jiu jitsu seems to be very modern in this sense like oh it's like we proved things by doing them you know i mean like essentially that from the little i know you're the historian here but the gracie challenges and all that was pretty much taking the theory out right it's like let's be empirical yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it was better yeah yeah and that was that was the brilliance of it like they cut out the [ __ ] like let's put it to the test you know but that that didn't come with uh the life philosophy no they didn't have one yeah it was just a hammer and and and then when carlos gracie tried to write one it just didn't stick because i think part of it probably the brazilian culture it was something to blame with this i think the surf culture had taken over by then uh secondly like carlos teachings were not on par with his life like you know like if you're gonna be a mahatma gandhi you're gonna [ __ ] have to live like mahatma gandhi yeah and carlos didn't you know like carlos had a certain lifestyle and then at the end there he he's like he actually the cr to his 12 rules of life or whatever it was you know and they're beautiful they're like those are good values but like it had nothing to do with the history of jiu jitsu they were good values right and they were not instilled they were not taught i learned about them much later i never heard of them when i was coming up in jiu-jitsu and maybe they would have been better had those been instilled early on and like been part of the ipdjf belief system but they but it was it was so at odds with everything else it kind of never really you know i don't know like it just didn't take off uh but you make a good point about professional sports like professional sports they are incredibly profitable i do have my doubts if it's something if you like for example boxing went on a very different route than judo yeah boxing was about ticket sales right but what kind i mean i think boxing and judo can be polar opposite you know in some ways but boxy how many people how many lives has boxing changed like i mean how many how many people trained boxing at i i've made that i've been kickboxing okay they're cardio kickboxing i'm not even sure that counts what is that i don't even know what that is no no i don't know it's like boxing is like yeah you're punching i guess it is you know but but wait you make is another good point there whereas even though sports like you know nba nfl boxing they are huge money sports businesses you know millions of spectators but not high participation sport yeah right like you know or ufc yeah even i mean at least ufc now mma gyms are starting their rights there's more people i i guess we would have to look at stats because i'm just talking about my ass here but like how many people practice martial arts versus you know play football on a regular basis yeah you're not like oh i played because i'm in high school and they make me right like so i i would tend to think there's probably more people doing martial arts you know recreationally than they are playing football or baseball because yeah you know like one it's prohibitive as far as equipment wise yeah and like you need a stadium and you know you need all the pads and stuff like that so like not just anybody can do that like it requires a good amount of infrastructure boxing though could but then again how many people are going to their local boxing gym and actually boxing it up yeah so i i think that that's one edge that martial arts has is that it kind of caters to the common yeah man right like it's not just like you have to be an exceptional athlete yeah you know i think what some people get dissuaded by like particularly with mixed martial arts that they think oh i'm going to get beat up and stuff like that like no unless you're training as a knucklehead gym anybody can train in mixed martial arts to a certain degree and still learn practical skills so it's where like sports are geared towards top echelon athletes martial arts is geared for everybody right like anybody could do martial arts you won't be a ufc champion but you still can practice it yeah i can't get my grandmother to start playing in the nfl no right or even playing football period yeah it's not for the master at the end of the day like you know i'm not saying that i guess there's this is a conflict of values here you have on when we see this in jiu-jitsu we're soon just very clear now you have one side going ticket sales as the purpose like skittles that's what they're looking at you know and then the other side is like okay let's let's what are what else could you just do for us and it's kind of like this organization but there's no value orientation in the grand scheme of things like judo has for example those are different approaches i don't i have i know what i prefer i'm not saying like which one is better than the other um but like i see like that the ticket sale thing to me is like something you got to be careful with because not everything that sells is good right sure you know like for example if you put hazbola you know the little let's say or get into an mma fight with paris hilton right okay let's say we can make that happen okay and i'm the referee and promoter i love to promote this fight how many tickets do you think would sell uh fortune more than gregor and khabib for sure is that good for the sport of mma in the long run or is that banalizing the sport of mma and make it into a circus which is kind of what we're doing we're on our way that's kind of where we're going yeah we're going to vandalize it and you battle eyes it's not serious anymore it becomes a joke and then we go back to pro wrestling which is kind of like a cyclical thing with martial arts that we kind of do like full circle like like there's a reason why pro wrestling has lingered so like it's like if people enjoy that it does sell tickets but it's like dude from that to like how did catch listen like how did they go there and not where they should have been because they did it first right yeah you know i i i'm critical i think that like yeah ticket sales are good but as a secondary force you know i mean like we look at now i don't know you saw that's why you mentioned joe rogan the adc just got sponsored by joe rogan so i guess there's what does that mean i don't know what the guy's gonna come the dragon experience so the podcast is uh sponsoring both gordon ryan as the individual athlete and he's also sponsoring the whole event as in like giving him money yeah yeah you're money marketing i'm not sure exactly what the financial details are but yeah i'm assuming they're they're playing i mean for him it's probably a good move because anybody who does martial arts already loves joe rogan yeah if they weren't familiar with him yet somehow like they were they are going to be afterwards yeah and like this recently draw eyes on adcc for sure yeah a new audience yeah and uh from all accounts adc now has you know had the their biggest attendance coming up here in vegas i will say this about the attendance thing i know they mentioned the last one had the biggest attendance and i'm like i don't think i did because i remember i was in brazil in 2003 and i don't know the numbers but i remember seeing the ibrahueta which is a big [ __ ] arena full i think they had more people in brazil i don't know the numbers i could be wrong but at least it was close because like even this last one it wasn't full full it was a much much smaller arena than ebitda puerto rico is where they like they have like all the professional volleyball basketball games it's a freaking big area it's like at least four times the size of the arena they had in california i don't know numbers really but it wasn't it was i remember during it like it was almost full and like this one was not full with that being said i know that in vegas i'm pretty confident they're going to sell out if they haven't already they've they've hyped it up so much that it's going to sell but again like i'm all in favor of ticket sales as long as you don't vandalize the sport and you don't make it into you don't let it become pro wrestling because that to me is damage in the long run short run yeah sure your paris hilton hezbollah would make you a [ __ ] ton of money you know but long term i think you'll be like [ __ ] on the sport you know yeah well i mean it's a lot of funny stuff going on promotion wise like i would be remiss if we don't talk about uh will smith slapping chris rock right that would sell holy [ __ ] that would make a that would make a killing i thought it was funny there's a few of these events where people were calling like oh like man code stuff like oh who was it like uh basketball you know yeah sneak attacking uh kobe covington you know like a lot of these things to me like rub me the wrong way i think they're staged they could be staged i i don't know how much money they make well how much money they're gonna make well the the the will smith chris rock thing could be right what they told me was is the truth it's like look this dude just won the award for best actor yeah you don't think he's gonna fake this whole thing oh yeah pride and stuff like that you know what's gonna happen to chris rock's next stand-up comedy look he already he's there we go yeah you know what's gonna happen will smith's next movie yeah chris rock the very next day or two they said that his tour has already exploded yeah yeah and the ticket the minimum ticket prices went from 40 to 340 dollars so the the way the the the the hollywood i and i'm not never been in that world but i know a little bit about it right is you have to remain and what they call relevant yeah and for that anything goes i think i can't prove any of this but i think when mcgregor throws a trolley at the bus that's staged i think when he punches someone at the bar that's staged because he has a legal team that he knows perfectly well they can say these guys the multi is a [ __ ] almost billionaire at this point like there's nothing these guys can't do they're untouchable the only thing that could happen to them financially that could hurt them financially is them not being in the press so for you to be on the press if you can't beat floyd mayweather in a flight if you can't achieve great things in the ufc right because technically you can't beat the guy the best guy in the division right so what do you do to remain relevant to remain to keep making money well you do crazy [ __ ] you slap chris rock on national television because that right there i mean how many memes were created how many times have their names been googled in the last like 48 hours because of it right so now they're just like everything about them they're just they made so much money from that and you don't think there's a pr this is when elon musk throws a a rock at a car and the window breaks you don't think tesla prepared for that they knew that he was gonna they didn't they're there that's i am smart enough to prove and i'm like far from like one of person to think ahead i never do i would have like well you guys are going to throw a rock at the car probably should check if the window's going to break or not you don't think tesla thought about that with all the pr people they have but he throws that when it happens window breaks it doesn't mean the car is a piece of crap because they everyone knows yeah they're going to fix that next time but what it does mean is that video is going to get so many more views because of something outlandish like that yeah and it blows the [ __ ] up and now everyone sees the new car but like pr agents they understand how the human mind works they they're they're called attention engineers their whole purpose in life is understanding how to catch your attention right and a car accident catches attention a house on fire catches attention more than anything good does like anything that's bad is going to sell more than what's good of course and at the end of the day man it's about sales it's a business they're trying to sell and they're going to do anything to draw attention even like crazy i mean to me i think i mentioned this in one of the previous podcasts you know what they do in ancient greece because that's that's going like there's a chapter in the book about this you know what they do they would set buildings on fire you know why to become famous they commit murder you know why you're not famous because i'm famous and they would do that that was like that's the period of decay that's what the the beginning of the end right there right it's like you you they peaked and then they're going down because what had been a side effect of something truly great high achievements being famous for doing something incredible now is um it's been vandalized now it's famous for being famous so anything goes right so you can like you know get famous for sucking dick online you know and that's right there makes you look how much money kim kardashian made from that right what's the achievement fellatio like congratulations like you know what but that is the achievement right but it doesn't matter because at the end you make a [ __ ] ton of money that's acceptable we've normalized that well now here we are you know it's you see it everywhere it's just like man it's just downhill you know it's just downhill yeah it's truly where does it stop it's like it's like there's their breaking point you know because you know i i was just having this conversation with someone the other day and everyone said there's always the old man chastising the young generation that's the oldest thing right oh these generation x z y whatever the hell they are like you're the worst generation and i catch myself talking like that all the time because compared to them i'm tough even though compared to my grandfather i'm a [ __ ] my grandfather's way tougher than me like way tougher like i'm so weak compared to my grandfather your grandfather worked way harder than you ever did he probably killed himself though like it was so much harder back then dave yeah let's be frank life was so much harder it's gotten easier technology has remedied so many of our problems things that were struggles in the past are now remedied by what automation right but with that being said like okay that's an old thing sure that theme is as old as you know as old as humans is there a breaking point is the question well i feel like getting to what you were saying is true life in the past was much harder and modern tools like technology have made life easier but i guess especially when we look at today's culture is that to a detriment to humans right because like it feels like people have gotten soft yeah and sad as a result right yeah and except because all that hard work had value to it yeah and now there's no value now there's there's people who literally refuse to work like we've been trying to hire someone in my gym in miami they only know it months nobody wants to go into it you know um so and it's frustrating you know but all that is kind of like where my dad used to say this all the time probably still what does but he feels like humanity's purpose was essentially to bring forth the next evolution of life form which would be like technology yeah right essentially when we have ai or something where this gonna be like the predecessors that get left in the dust because we're making that stronger but we're not making ourselves stronger no like i don't think like as for as smart as people think they are now what they are perhaps is more knowledgeable yeah but not necessarily smarter and you're only knowledgeable because you're standing on the shoulders of the shoulders of giants but people who were smart because they were able to come up with these things like the people who make the cameras and the microphones yeah they're very smart people me using it doesn't make me smart but just kick some small yeah people would say you're right i have an iphone i'm smart egyptians build pyramids that's smart you know what about it what someone said to us funny was that you could only say something in smart by comparison yeah right so like when they say you have a smartphone to find the phones right and i just one thing like people have access to knowledge i don't think people are more knowledgeable i think we've never read less i think i've seen numbers on this like we're reading less and less i'm always like careful like i speculate so much i'm trying to like train myself not to speculate so much but so i haven't seen numbers but i'd be willing to put money that we'd read less than we did 50 years ago and and and as a result and i just you know it's just like people go why read you got google i'm like oh my god it's so it's like that it's thinking it's like why work out you can just put a filter it's the same that's what i hear when people tell me that you don't need to read because you can google it or go on youtube and watch a youtube video and that's the equivalent or tick tock i had an adult argue with me that i didn't have to read academic articles on the ukraine because i could just go on tick tock instead 55 year old man was arguing with me and i'm like just imagine what his grandchildren are going to be like this is like oh my where are we but what i hear is like why go to the gym if you can just put a filter on that puts abs and muscles on you that's what i'm hearing yeah fake it don't have to be and we have normalized fake we have we have normalized authentic is a social it is anti-social it is weird it is strange right being um being a phony is normalized i'm a phony you're a phony i know that you're a phony you know that i'm a phone and we both know that we're phonies but we both agree that being phony is normal so it's okay we've normalized it yeah we haven't and we're normalizing lots of really strange things oh man don't get me started on strange things we're normalizing like where it's so detached from reality and i'm going it's it's because and i and i this is the peter my my part of my book that i talk about this is like it's my issue with the idea of of like even democratic thinking in some ways has been so detrimental because we have believed that if the majority of people believe something then it's true like we'll slow your horses calm down if the majority of people 500 years ago the majority of the human population believed the earth was flat was it yeah now most people believe the earth is a sphere or not belief understand the word the world is a sphere in certain circles the earth is back to being flat if reality were subjected to the opinion of the majority then the earth would be reshaping itself from flat to sphere back and forth and that doesn't make a whole bunch of sense does it but there are people that not only believe that they live by those standards the reality is what the majority wants it to be and this is where like it poses like the limits of democracy was like no no no democracy meant you had a voice you could choose who you had you wanted to elect it meant that the opinion of everyone mattered to an extent but at the same time you have to put limits on that because not everyone is a doctor not everyone is a jiu-jitsu black belt not everyone is like i have no idea how that camera works yeah i know how to press record yeah yeah you understand it doesn't make me an expert like many people there's no more rank in the world like we have to solve the rank i think there's like in some ways like some of the some of the backlash we're watching to cultural terms is like it's been the the the at the end of world war ii words like discipline rank order were associated with what fascism yeah right discipline rank strength order right and we have come to think of fascism as bad which it is not saying that but the values that come with are also bad because fascism is bad so with quality victimization weakness the opposite of that is good all right i'm still on the nietzsche high that's why i'm like he talks about this non-stop but and and it's it's it's it and we we've created we've we have turned victimhood into a glorious stance right victim is good if you're a victim because if really when you're a victim how can i criticize you you're immune to criticism you can do anything you want yeah so reality doesn't matter facts don't matter don't [ __ ] matter i'm the victim victimized for that in the story so everyone why can i be a victim too like everyone wants to be a victim whereas like 50 years ago if you cried in school i'd be like what the [ __ ] you crying for like what happened oh let him cry i'm like okay that's did mom die know that the dog died no there's something horrific happened no one wanted how you crying then and you would say something like man up and that was like in the kid's like yes i should be crying about nothing cry for real reasons like something this i don't think crying itself is bad when weak is bad it's fine to show emotion but for good reasons but we've normalized oh i need a safe space safe space live in the richest country in history you are the privileged 99 99.99 of human history and human existence has way harder than you have it and somehow have to listen to people talking about privilege and i need a safe space to cry and these people make me sick in the stomach because they're so diseased in the head they're so incredibly weak dave like it's just like you are the problem but it's we've normalized it and that's the norm right and if someone puts a sound bite of what i just said i'd probably get a hundred negative google reviews i might have to edit that out though um you know it's and it's kind of where we're going man like we we don't value we don't see values of strength as good anymore and they used to be good these are good values yeah it's good to like you know [ __ ] happens you're like all right man you know like tough it out it's like oh throw yourself on the ground and cry you know and then we we we praise that oh my god here's everything you need because yeah you know and it's become normal and and it's just i mean i don't i i wonder if there's a breaking point i mean at some point there has to be yeah i i would think so because like imagine if you have all these same people who are so fragile and then they inherit the earth and it's like yeah how they're gonna and they're entitled to it too it's like not only that they think they deserve more yeah like i was watching a video the other day and i was like this is like how crazy this world's gone logan paul the youtuber was given advice on economics the equation goes he has more money than me therefore he knows more about investing than i do logan paul and garyvee give advice on economics i'm like it is mind-boggling in a world where like we have plenty of phds in economics right pretty much smart people for example a guy like warren buffett gives you advice in economics i'm inclined to listen i'm careful like oh is he trying to trick me into buying something he's selling that's the first thought process right but you're inclined to believe in someone actually build his wealth right i would go with nancy pelosi okay i don't even know i don't even know what that is i can't i'm just a politician but i don't i don't know anything about her she's apparently the best investor in history okay whatever but like warren buffett has a 20 rate of return which is phenomenal phenomenal yeah nancy has 60. does she really well she says she does no no she does okay that's incredible but like okay but let's say logan paul did you know is i got lucky with whatever the hell he's doing that doesn't make but the people that you have a young generation they're looking at that and they're going this is my reference right and they're being played too because these guys are they're telling you to buy what they're selling like pay attention yeah you know they're being played and then the other one was retire when you're 21. i'm like holy [ __ ] like and then people are believing i had a student of mine arguing with me the other day dave he's like he's got this bitcoin that's going to take off this cryptocurrency is going to take off he's like no rob i've done the math i'm going to be i'm going to have 20 million dollars if it goes to one dollar and it's just a matter of time and here's why the the hat the halfling curve or something like that i have like half up something like that having a curve and i'm like and that right there is evidence that you're gonna have 20 millions in a few years so yeah like he's like he's he was so confident about it so confident and i'm listening what the i was like am i crazy oh the world's gone crazy which one maybe that's why nobody wants to work they've already got their cars just waiting i was just gonna say this is why you can't hire someone in miami it's like whoa whoa whoa 15 an hour wait a second here man i am an entrepreneur i am investing in crypto and like they believe that [ __ ] though yeah it's funny you say that because that's not well they haven't said the reason crypto but like there's people like oh we need somebody essentially to like clean the gym and it's like 25 an hour minimum yeah and i need at least a like 20 hour work week i was like it's like a 7 000 square foot gym like oh you thought that was clean to be done and like 25 that's like that if that was full time that's like 50 grand a year dude there's no likes like it seems like man like everything's going like the inflation crap is going out of control like back in the day like man like 15 an hour was like that's a good starting job i think my first job paid seven yeah you know i was like you know what i mean i was a while ago but still it's like but what's changed is not like yeah sure inflation you know economy has changed i get all that but what's changed is a sense of entitlement that is i think that's what's so abnormal but it's been normalized as well we have come to see it as normal um a last tangent i promise but this is super relevant so because i'm writing this book i sent a copy to um a giraffe early drafted someone wrote to a friend and then he sent me back to some ideas some suggestions on what to write and there's this um i don't know a lot about it but i've done some reading on it and this is how we're going like the 1980s in california there was a movement called the self-esteem movement or i think that's what they called it but basically a group of psychologists they got together and they didn't have any empirical evidence for any of this but they had a hypothesis that if we increase the self-esteem of children good results would follow so if we make you feel like you're a champ that you're awesome that you're incredible you're going to feel so good about yourself dave you're going to get straight a's and everyone you know in other words reward people prior to them doing work and that became that's more or less you probably remember this when people start getting trophies for not winning yeah yeah uh i remember this this this spread like wildfire because in brazil remember like it was like early 90s maybe when this happened you know if you have bad grades you have to repeat the grade you have to go back to be you know so basically you said you had kids or bad students and they have to repeat the same grade like over and over and over if you went to night school it meant you were such a bad student yeah you got so much older than the other kids they sent you to night school to catch up right because you know you had to repeat a grade and i remember when it changed i was like oh there's no more repeating grades you can just be an awful student they're going to move you forward no one left behind sort of thing and i remember my friends that were awful students going [ __ ] yeah they were so happy because like they were being penalized for being awful students and they dreaded that but now they weren't right so this movement spread like wildfires the school system they all like yeah that's a great idea and like you know at some point you know these guys went and came along and go actually it's not working this is an awful idea but at that point it was too late yeah and i think what we're seeing now to some degree at least is backlash from that lack of thinking they thought that by rewarding kids first and making them feel special and not letting them handle any hardship and like nothing bad happens to them and they're like little glass little sensitive things are gonna break that in the future they're gonna be better human beings and it's normally the opposite right first you work your ass off you work hard and then you get a little reward and that right there pushes you to excel so excelling is a product of work not a product of being it's funny that you mentioned that i just read something about that today about they were they they framed it differently they talked about the fact of positive affirmations yeah falling short and same thing statistically it showed that it was inverse correlated like people who had to work their way through then get the praise versus getting praise first oh yeah or working or just all because you believe something doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna happen you know you have to put the work in but like if you believe you already have achieved everything then why are you to work yeah right or like you like you said that you might get to entitlement you know you believe you're so good like well i deserve more of course i'm awesome yeah like it's good and i think it's affecting even like as a single man in the dating universe i see that too maybe men too i don't know i'm on the other side but women for sure you get these whom they're so your self-esteem is through the roof right because they're pretty and they got a ton of likes on their instagram so they're clearly on high value so i go on a date with them right and i'm like oh she's hot like right so i want to meet her like okay and i'm going i'm talking to her i'm going okay and then she's really hot i'm like okay and then i'm like yeah she's really hot and i'm going okay now i'm trying to like let's try to like crank the volume up but let's like switch gears you know there's nothing there and i'm thinking myself if you by magic like they magic could remove her vagina and just like disappeared no vagina right she has no or no looks right right what's left and i'm not saying they're all like that but like it is a thing it's become because their sense of self-esteem is so incredibly high they think so highly themselves they never bother learning how to do anything right like they they think so highly of themselves they never bother doing it learn why would i learn how to do anything yeah why like i'm i'm from the [ __ ] look i got 5 000 likes clearly i'm the [ __ ] right and they believe that and as a result they think they're waiting for brad pitt well i'm not brad pitt i mean i'm not gonna be brad pitt all right so i'm thinking well what are you and they're looking at me like what are you gonna what are you gonna do for me what are you gonna offer me in exchange and i'm thinking oh i'm not brad pitt but i got more value than you i got a career i own a business i actually know how to do things you know like so it's like this this dissonance that i think is affecting dating in a lot of ways too because women think so highly of themselves and you guys maybe guys do too i'm not on the other side so i don't i don't know but it's just this like but before it's like you know what i'm not perfect you're not perfect you know what you know we'll figure it out like where now is like everyone's waiting for like you know the the the prince charming on the other side that's kind of this absolutely perfect guy with tons of money care of them but they have nothing to offer on the other side i'm like what the hell am i going to do with you feed you like just a mouth to feed like okay i got a vagina congratulations what else you got to offer you know because if we have nothing else like why would you want to be with them i think that in a sense makes it easier to filter out though because you can kind of spot these type of people yeah and that's definitely on both sides but you can definitely spot those type of people and know okay are they doing the apps i guess swipe left or whatever yeah yeah like i get like what do you call that when your finger is like shaking from doing from the same repetitive movement so i switched fingers now like just with my pinky with my other thumb so using my elbow i ran out of people a long time ago i've swiped to the hotel multiple times i'm glad i'm not in this area for dating but uh i i think in general like yeah you gotta filter those type of people out you know just even like i don't know like i when i met my wife it was online also but yes but anyone's like match.com or something like that but i remember like when i went to do it i'm like i'm gonna be as stingy as possible yeah like i want someone who's highly educated yeah intellectual pretty yeah yeah got a good sense of humor and all that and she was the only one yeah yeah it's done you got lucky yeah i got lucky because it's funny because she said the same thing from her end like i think it was like a three-month thing or whatever i'm like but there's this back get up she's a professional like she has a phd right right she's a doctor she's a doctor okay you know like but you get like okay so you have all these qualities but you could back you can back up your self-esteem with qualities as my point right and but one when that that sense seven i just goes back to what we were talking about the sense of entitlement that we've created right like people think so highly themselves but there's nothing there like why do you think so because if i suck that jiu jitsu i think i see this in jiu-jitsu too now you get these kids like they don't even train they take third place at naga but they behave as if they were world champions like you get people actually blue boats with logos they have their own logo no they're blue belts like back in the day if you were a blue belt you created your own logo you get beat up people like be like the hell out you know what i'm saying like we would make people make fun of you but the sense of self is so high everyone thinks so highly of themselves fake it till you make it sort of thinking right and that kind of like became the ethos of the age it's like fake it till you make it everyone's a fake right but no one's making anything like you're gonna be faking until but then do something to back it up at least if you're gonna reverse the process if you're gonna fake first and then accomplish second at least accomplish something yeah because in my head at first you do something and then you actually are something right but like we've kind of reversed that because maybe it's easier it's a faster way to make money whatever the case but dude like this is it's it's it's something so ingrained in the culture dave and it's everywhere it's a dating i see it in jiu jitsu i see it in the fight where i see everything all the time and kids like schooling and not just kids adults too man like tic toc case in point like you don't have to read on the ukraine watch tick tock you know this is the problem with technology also i feel like for example the internet greatest advance in information technology that's incredible it's gonna go down like the wheel it's gonna be next to the wheel and the the printing press right it's one of the greatest inventions in history to be able to access information has never been easier the only problem is you can't know any of the information is valid or not because anybody can publish right like if i want to make a website on like how south african mules are like you can whatever i could right like it's the beauty of free speech i think it was actually the old-time stephen colbert bid where he went on wikipedia and he had someone write in that elephant populations were skyrocketing in africa you know because of uh end of a drought or something like that it was an obvious joke right and it turned out like people started believing that but oddly enough ten years later it became true he said you see i i said it was true and that it became truth yeah that's what truth is but he was like he was being his character he was being funny but who's that again that's stephen colbert okay yeah yeah yeah right uh but that can happen and it does happen all the time like i'm gonna give you especially if you're looking online you see oh so-and-so said this i'm like did he though and then if you dig in no he didn't say that it's like okay this is fact check yeah there's no the fact that you have the fact check it was something i don't think you had to do before right because it was harder to create like for example if you had to publish a book back in the day you had to find somebody who would publish it right and you have to print the materials there's a lot of infrastructure cost that goes into it right so it's not just like oh i'm a 15 year old kid i want to cause [ __ ] i'm going to write a fake book but you can't you could but it's going to cost you a lot of money like it's probably not worth it amazon you can print but you can print a book a day you can just go they i mean they they they they go over but by like the quality of the content they're not monitoring right that's what i'm saying but like nowadays you could right but i'm saying in the past because i feel like in the past when you were writing information it was much more likely it was incredible right because there's scrutiny and there was a lot of filters along the way that wouldn't allow you to get through yeah but now that anybody can put anything it's abusive freedom yeah so now it's like like you said the information is like oh i don't know like it's this is this is where freedom and free speech backfire yeah because freedom and free speech are great if you have a population that knows what they mean and they know that they have to be handled with because they're super powers freedom and free speech are superpowers you have to handle them with care right you have to have the humility and i think we all make this mistake but like you have to some point be aware like it's okay to say i don't know it's perfectly fine yeah you know we don't do that anymore right go on tick tock 10 seconds i got it i got the history of the ukraine i got it like no like maybe 150 papers and you begin to get a glimpse of what's happening yeah it's very complicated it's complicated right and like i mean there's some things that we can like overlook and go okay i can have an idea of what's happening if you want to get into it you're going to have to get into the history of it right no tick tock tick tock is good enough why not sick dog i mean the guy's there he's there he filmed it he put on tick tock i know what's happening and it's it's like we simplified everything is compacted so much and it's like we don't have we we can't handle it man because we don't we're not a population that's educated it's like freedom is in a free speech like they're great things if you have a population that is educated and because we've been [ __ ] on education for the last we [ __ ] on education we really do we think oh we don't yeah we do you know united states is like we're below we're the richest country in history right we're below all of the industrialized i think we're ahead of latin american sub-saharan africa in terms of education we're a third world country in terms of education yeah we have like more than everyone else it's like and it's like we've we we've excelled in technology we excel with our universities best brains in the world in the united states there's a reason why the chinese send their kids over here yeah you know like 50 years that probably is going to change we're going to send our kids over there because the way things are going i wouldn't be surprised if it changes you know but we we begin we have the best of everything but we somehow we i think the most important thing was keeping an educated population to my opinion more important money more important than anything i mean you have population that can read a book and go this is [ __ ] yeah and tell you why not just about because like some news anchor said so but because you can actually pick the book apart right super hard to do but it's an effort it's like that's what education is being learning how to read and and and and read well we don't value that because like we good we good we like that we got google we got you know i got walmart i got i got tv i'm good and it's like in a way it's kind of like we've we've undermined the foundation of what a country is because if you have a population that is politically lost very confused yeah very confused like on both ends you get the one guy that you know one little p one piece of google news is is proof of his conspiracy and then he got the other people that believe that men and women are the same and they should be able to compete together and there's no difference because yeah yeah it's a social construct biology is a social construct darwin is crazy you know like okay sure and you know you get like very confused politically and you you have all these these variables and then you get a population that has no ability on how to filter information and that's the biggest problem with information because unless you have the filters like okay this is [ __ ] this is why it's [ __ ] and if you develop those filters what is the purpose of information is doing more damage than good then sure in some ways like the age of information is like okay this is bad you should not have it not that we shouldn't have access for information but like it does it has to be paired with the ability to interpret it correct yeah otherwise like like you said there's just so much information if you if you can't discern what's real what's not then it's almost like you're saying it's like kind of bad to have all that information you don't know how you how to process it or like i feel like certain things like this like for example like we had that supreme court uh nominee who couldn't define what a woman was right which is two is it 2x two chromosomes like that yeah it's x chromosome something bigger it's simple it's not very weird because you can say oh she said her answer that i'm not a biologist like interesting you haven't seen it i did i did it i don't follow i stopped falling it was good i can't i stopped but essentially the gist of it was that she was being um uh questioned by i think it was senator blackburn yeah about title nine which was like who a title nine what is that essentially that's a a ruling that was passed i believe by ginsburg all right that was to give equality of opportunity to female athletes in colleges right because before what happened you had male sports right were dominant force of sports and female sports were not given the same opportunity right yeah so what they said okay with tile nine essentially for as many male sports you have you have to have the same amount of female representation and what a true business does which is what colleges did is that you know what we're not going to add more female sports it's going to cost money to our budget instead we're just going to cut the male sports that don't make money wrestling water polo golf wow so like wrestling programs got decimated so what a horrible criteria so it is wrestling wrestlers hated title nine for a long time how when was that i never heard of this one it was like late 90s yeah okay or it might have been mid 90s late 90s you see the idea because there's so many things wrong with what this this i i just heard about this first time i was like there's so there's so many things are wrong with that sort of thing at home stay in florida yeah they used to have college wrestling but like when i grew up they got cut it got cut so like that's why i guess it's fortunate that's how i got into mma because otherwise i know their venue to continue my wrestling career but so that happened so she was questioning um it was like katana brown like mr president what not her opinion on some of the language between men and women right yeah and then she's like well i'm not familiar with the case law i would have to look at it which is surprising considering this was from a supreme court case you don't she doesn't know what i mean but she would have to review it to be able to give a good of what a man is you know she's scared she's scared of her job she's kind of losing her job so that's what she's saying so then this senator went back and goes okay well can you define to me what a woman is and she's like no i can't i'm not a biologist so then that ended the question bring a biologist yeah yeah so to me i thought it was funny because one thing it's like oh so i would have followed up you're saying that the determined male female is a biological issue right which would have been a big problem for someone on the liberal side right yeah and the second thing is okay what are you it's just one more one how do you know no thank you this is the problem with like when politics permeates science yeah it permeates every field of life and it's like you gotta learn how to draw those lines people not everything is politics please leave your politics outside of reality the sun is hot that's not a social construct like there's all things about biology that are not social but and it's and if you dig and this is where like i i like jordan peterson like in some ways i think he's like he's a little to some things like i guess but like he's got he's got a point about you know the whole the mice of marxism the rise of like post-structuralism you know ultra feminism third weight of feminism what do you want to call it's like there's a common thread there there's something there's there's a comet it's not always i don't think it's as thick as he makes it sound but there's a common thread there and it is the idea that there's that humans are they're taught like that's what's underneath if you dig through feminism you know if you dig through you know behaviorism post-structuralism if you dig through if you keep digging keep digging keep digging get the very bottom of it there's a core belief they have they hold it and they're very serious about and they don't question the reason why they hate biology is that we're all born equal that we're born we're blank slates we're a white piece of paper and everything about you is a product of a structure there are structures in place and there are people and this is where the more this is the connection with marxism right because that's marx's thinking and they go everything about these structures is uh written into you because there is a economic dominance by a certain group of people the dominant class and then that right there is they are they've shaped society so there's the ones writing the code so everything you believe is a construct of what people in power have written down that's i mean that's gram chi for you who's the other one there's a few of them like that that's the whole core of their like we are a product of our culture and nothing else right and biologists are going like not really and then like you know darwinists are going no that's pretty inaccurate and it's not no no then it becomes politicized so now they're fascists for saying that right so they what they what they've done is they've managed to to to sustain this little bubble of thinking that is at odds with all science and they're in universities they're not the majority but they exist they're there so what happens is they've created this little bubble for themselves and they're in that bubble and if you're in a bubble you're never wrong yeah because you're in an echo chamber right it's like you're on facebook and whatever party you happen to like if you only read your own news well [ __ ] you're never wrong yeah you know and that's kind of what they've created for themselves even though it's at odds with science it's at odds with everything we know about human nature it's at odds with everything we know about our history it's at odds with everything but they have convinced themselves that everything's a social construct so if you know the majority of white males are rich you know or rich wealthier than other groups that's clearly a product of a social construct and nothing else like that and then that's and that's sort of like and there's like some truth that like white people did come out on top due to colonialism there's no doubt about it but like not every white person is a victimizer right because of it they they get it's funny because like a lot of their thinking borders on racism it's very similar to racism in some ways where you put people into categories and you go this category right here is bad so you put everyone like well i didn't inherit [ __ ] like what are you talking about and i keep hearing this and and the more you think about their ideas the more the more it comes down to that idea that we're all more equal everything is a social contract so people have though and now it's gotten the point of absurdity yeah where even even um um like sexual preferences are social constructs yeah right like that's a social consciousness sexual preference just say sex experience sex or your gender gender yeah that's a social guide that's nothing to do with biology i'm like it's not you would happen if if that were the case there would be no human species because we wouldn't have had yeah you know or you know and it's like they you have to ignore so much of what we know about our history and our biology in order for that sort of thinking to fly and they have no problems doing it because it's become and this is where they've lost it completely off track dave completely off track they go equality has been achieved in the sense where you have the same rights that's where justice lies justice lies where lady justice has a blindfold and she's blindfolded right for a reason i don't look left or right i don't look up or down it's like what are the facts yeah right and at some point it becomes a movement of revenge how do i punish people for you know and becomes revenge and and from that point onwards it's not like justice because once you reach that mark that's where justice lies if you pass that you're not you're not talking about justice anymore now you're talking about revenge and how do you think you're going to build something good with the premise of revenge as your motivation and there's there's no wonder that we've created this like social chaos because it's self-polarized it's a self-reinforcing mechanism because what happens is you get these guys that go um like for example if you see something in the news that you you hate that pisses you off because it's [ __ ] outlandish right and they might you know okay that reinforces your belief on everything on your side even if it's unquestioned so this is bad the opposite of this is good and it's not always the case yeah that's just natural right because it's natural because good and bad is comparison it's a duality right and we've come to frame the world in two spheres good and bad and when you do that or uh you know everything you happen to disagree with everything you have to disagree with is because you're good of course everyone's good hitler believes he was an angel you know like everyone believes they're good so the opposite of what you believe is clearly bad and then what that does is that now you can skip critical thinking on your own beliefs which is incredibly hard to do because there's an emotional attachment and an investment sure in your beliefs imagine how much time you've spent arguing with people at the the the dinner table with your uncle you know and how much how many books you read or articles or videos you had to watch and the emotional investment that and for you to you know be able to [ __ ] on all that because or or some of it not all of it but more importantly the ability to think critically about what is it that you are criticizing a and what is that you believe in and this is why it's self-polarizing because you see these guys they see something they don't like and they get so angry at that that that reinforces their belief in everything else they already believe in because it's the opposite right so it's like it's it's like it's it's the polarization of of of politics and i think that's probably the most damaging thing because the crux of politics should be critical thinking analyze the issue as it is if you're allowing your emotions or your preconceived notions to interfere with your judgment well that's not a good judgment yeah you know and it's scary when something that is so simple like even just like sex when you can't say like someone with two x chromosomes is definitively ominous it's a totalitarianism it's up to interpretation that's essentially to me like saying like one plus one equals three now like that we we we can't even agree on anything because like a very simple premise has already been blown out of the water right like how can we not say that it's one thing like people there's so many ways of expressing this now but like sexual like sexual orientation is one thing okay whatever they're heterosexual or homosexual but then the other thing is just like you're biologically you're sex or you're male or female right like yeah that shouldn't be like a matter of question like we've been pretty good at determining what's a man or what's a woman for like thousands of years that wasn't something that was very confused you know but all of a sudden now like people are saying oh like the gender that you were chosen at birth it's like chosen it's like what like he was born with a penis or a vagina she was born with a vagina it's one of the two now what you want to role play or want to express yourself as that's a different thing live your life i don't care it really is yeah yeah really matter but like let's not confuse something very simple because like you said then everything's confusing and i feel like like tin foil hat going on like when the politicians try to make stuff like this very confusing like to what you were saying like for example like a guy has a penis and whatnot and now he says he's a woman and then we all have to say he's a woman it's like i know he's a woman i know he's a man you know he's a man but we're going to say he's a woman because if i can get you to agree to something like that that you know is false i can get you to agree with anything yeah and that's like the premise of 1984 into the book yeah right yeah it's it's we both know a lie and we're going to say it's true it's a we agree with it because it is and then here's the thing the judge the reason why the judge doesn't say anything and this is the problem with our legal system this is a much bigger problem politicians this is a problem with democracy in fact there's a it's a critique to be made here that is very valid when we have individuals like a judge or a politician who have their whole livelihood the investment their careers are subjected to the majority of of decision making of people right they are going to sway left or right forward or back according to what will be a public opinion you know when i learned this i i mentioned this a few times in this podcast but like for those of you who haven't listened for the eight people watching um you know when i when i was in court you know for a family of a child custody and i learned that judges have their campaigns paid for by attorneys and i'm like wait what because to me that's like lady justice what happened to you because i used to believe in you that was like an ideal lady justice is blindfolded oh [ __ ] she's not blindfolded and i started realizing oh that's everywhere that's not just in family court it's everywhere yeah so if you're a judge the reason why she doesn't open her mouth because she's going like this she's sticking her finger out to see which way the wind is blowing is it blowing left or right and they sway accordingly right unless they have an audience and the audience is big enough and then they'll stick to that but if the audience is diminishing if the audience is getting smaller would it look the wins have changed and they switch positions just the same so they don't stand for anything they don't believe in anything right and it's the same thing for for uh like politicians and judges because they're elected yeah they follow this so if the majority of the population says that it you are a homophobe unless you choose to have gay you haven't done shoes you have to have gay sex unless you're awful dave you're homophobic you've never had sex with a man clearly you're homophobic yeah and if the majority of people like i mean where do you stop yeah where does it stop because we're gonna pass legislation now that you're where does it stop you i am scared of voice in my opinion i post a video of chappelle on my instagram the other day dave that was a hero of mine i think dave chappelle is one of the greatest humans to ever walk this earth um you know did you ever watch a uh patrice o'neal he's another like patricia was i i've heard some of his biz but not recently he is better than chappelle yeah but he never played the game that's why i love him he [ __ ] never played the game apparently he had like a comedy central like big kahuna invite him over and he like didn't show up out of principle for something like you just like that guy right brilliant but uh but i put something on the reason i'm saying this is like i'm like it's almost like it's i got i got people messaging me like you know like almost like i it's it's almost like it's there's a police out there and they're terrifying it is very totalitarian in a lot of ways because they don't like free speech they like it unless you happen to say what they agree with which is what the nazis believed in too you know book burning didn't go from minecamp it went for karl marx and if you're installing this russia it was the opposite they believed in free speech as long as you're reading marx perfectly fine just don't read the wrong things right and then well that's not free speech that's not free speech that's book burning right and we are living a moment of book burning in the united states oh can't the whole cancer culture it's yeah it's book burned i know and it's it's what's fascinating about these people is that they have the nerves to accuse other people of being fascists it's like clearly you know nothing about the history of fascism yeah clearly because if you did you wouldn't be speaking that nonsense you shut the [ __ ] up right because that's they don't understand but it's i think that's there's intellectually speaking there's nothing behind there's nothing underneath them it's air it just crumbles the second you start questioning what is the core of their what are they trying to do and what is underneath their belief system there's nothing there it collapses because it is flawed to the core and it's not just from uh um i'm not i'm speaking i mean we can you can in any direction you dick whether it's biology or history or you know human universals you know it's like human psychology anybody want to frame it like it's very very flawed you know but it is the majority it's becoming a thing it is becoming a trend especially with younger crowd which is what's going to push legislation in the future that's what's i i think i might say because more about old old man we're an old white man well i always wonder about this because like i'm in that bubble also right yeah instead we all are yeah because like all the people i hang out with are martial artists and they all think the same right so it's like i don't see the other side right the people who want to be victims or the people who don't want to work they're not the majority yeah i don't i don't get to experience that so like it's it's odd for me because this seems like massively over over represented in the online media space right it's kind of like even if you watch tv like now it seems like being a red-headed woman is like a very popular thing like if you watch a lot of leads or not redheads i'm like why i don't know diversity yeah i i guess but i'm like they're this to be like red hat is not common right not like not at least in the states here you know but it seems like a lot of things are being pushed you know like they said whether they're trying to normalize things or trying to make everybody feel included or whatnot but it's like it's not like it's not real you know like people get upset because there's like a movie that'll have enough you know asian characters or doesn't have enough black characters it's like if we're covering a movie in africa chances are most of the characters are going to be black right it's just we're in africa yeah right if we're in asia we're mostly going to be asian like and if you would do an asian movie and you're like oh there's not enough white representation it's like there shouldn't be you know like that's not the subject it's it's insanity i call it arbitrary diversity i was watching uh apple tv i actually just subscribed to apple tv just to watch this i was watching it last night in fact with my daughters it is a reenactment of macbeth the shakespeare play with guess who's playing macbeth did you see it right now denzel washington oh my bet is a scottish king and he's being played by denzel washington which by the way played it well i'm sure he did i mean i've seen better versions of macbeth but like he played it well right yeah he got played by denzel washington i don't think myself well i'm glad denzel's doing it because um a he's a good actor and i love him to death he's one of my favorite actors b it isn't this a [ __ ] case in point uh this is like a a text case of hypocrisy and then no one opens their mouth you know i wouldn't because i don't freaking care i mean i don't i don't mind seeing a black chemical i couldn't care less you know it's like it's not important to me you know that bet there's a play at the end of the day who gives a [ __ ] yeah but it's it's mind-boggling i think this was an actress that said something about like she was going to play part of some historical black woman and she wouldn't play it because she wasn't black enough and i'm like wait what what what does that even mean i'm not black it's kind of cuckoo man this is like a sketch from the chateau show you remember al mooney he would do like his movie reviews so they were reviewing the the last samurai yeah and his al muni you know uh a black guy he's talking about he's like ow he's like tom cruise as the last samurai right okay i got a movie idea for you hollywood he's like the last african-american on earth starring tom hanks yeah yeah yeah yeah he's like come on you know oh man and i'm i'm okay with that either way because to me it is acting like yeah that's the whole point right you can play anybody else you want yeah you have to it shouldn't matter it shouldn't matter but the fact that you know um because it's all about good or bad acting that is the criteria oh my god like dude we've gone way over time here but like last one and i'll stop if you want unless you got a point but um and this was in my book it might not be in the book but there's um there's a there's an author i've been reading um i went on a tangible like like read like a bunch of his books called harold bloom like he's a literally critic from from yale i think he died recently and he's losing his mind because the universities in literary studies they removing what he would call high literature like like cervantes shakespeare dante in favor of diversity these are all white males oh okay okay therefore we need multiculturalism we need more women more asians and that's the criteria and that's the problem like your politics really have to be everywhere don't they because the criteria shouldn't be the color of your skin no it should be like oh well why is why is it all males because like males were writing in europe at a time where most people in the world didn't have a pen and paper and that's [ __ ] awful but that's not my fault and that's not shakespeare's fault either that's just the fact of the circumstance the majority of the world did not have a pen and paper in hand or the free time for that matter actually sit down and write because there was an audience there that wanted to watch your place those those are historical circumstances that led to greatness combined coupled with genius right genius plus historical circumstances none of that matters it's all social construct and it's like part of the framework set forth by the dominant structure yada yada yada here we are we have to replace it with people with i mean like i mean when does it stop it wouldn't have red hairs in the nba like when does it stop right it's actually like a reverse racism right like you're you're now picking people up based on their race and it should have been and not based on their on their merits yeah they're right yeah right so like ideally like who do you want to be your instructor in martial arts who might potentially save your life the most famous youtuber you know which might be a logan ball or do you want the guy who's a black yellow champion who's a very skilled coach you know like i mean that shouldn't be the criteria like the more they try to divide people by like okay you're white you're black you're asian and then now you're white like what part of white are your european white you know australian you know who cares like unbelievable yeah that's not something like if you're you're a man you're a woman or whatever you know everyone's like how like what does this like some of this is so irrelevant this is where i see it maybe i'm maybe i'm crazy everyone else is right i'm saying like maybe we should get some short people in nba because everyone in the nba is taller no seriously i want diversity in the nba i want more short people in nba too many tall people like where does this i want taller people in gymnastics dave because people in gymnastics are too short because gymnasts are short we need some size 10s in there yeah we yeah we need some seven feet tall gymnast there for diversity when does i what is it that what is the point of any of this because it's certainly not correct in errors of the past right it's not correct in injustices of colonialism it certainly isn't it is certainly not creating justice it's just pissing everyone off because it's [ __ ] madness there's no way to describe this right so what is the long-term uh a purpose of any of this and i don't i don't i do i swear i try to see it i've been a liberal my whole life i can't see what they're aiming at i'm like looking like because i remember like okay women should be able to vote equal rights you know black equal rights equal rights across the board i'm like hell yeah like who'd be against that yeah gay people should get married of course oh since i was a child but at some point like whoa wait what happened and it's not about justice anymore it's about i isis my take on it yeah i think it has to do with revenge yeah you know it was listening to it was like a counterpoint type thing where they asked somebody you know like men shouldn't compete in women's sports or biological men the terminology shouldn't be able to compete in female sports and the person defending it was saying like well the way i see it is i don't want to hurt one group over the other right and like if you have like a trans male and you deny him the ability to compete in this sport you know uh or a trans woman rather then like you're hurting that population you're saying they can't do it and it's like well but then you realize you're also hurting all the women now because oh they're it's split the movement is split because of that right because now these women are losing spots to compete and they're at a massive disadvantage you know so like who you who are you saying you're gonna do the less harm to because like how many trans people are there yeah what what what is that what is the definition of freedom and rights i mean how do we the classy definition my freedom or my rights end when what fringes when yours begin right and to me to me that's what good it's a simple but a good definition of it right like it's it's not fair on women it i mean it's gonna be the end i mean if you keep the good news it's not a lot it's that because but but if it became it would be in the women's board it's not gonna be but what was that swimmer leah thomas she was like 480 something in the yeah and then she beat the olympic gold medalist or something in college or the silver medalist or whatever it was like yeah yeah she was i don't know she's like a foot taller you know it's like what else do i need to know people but yeah yeah her time got worse right which you know like she went i think she was like seven seconds slower right when she was as a as a man but still that was fast enough to be everyone else you know it's just not fair right and there it's weird the apparently because i was hearing explanation is the ncaa essentially allows like the smaller swimming federations to decide what the guidelines are for like if a trans athlete could compete or whatnot whatever so like they pretty much said like they have to be tested i think like four weeks before competition for testosterone for testosterone and it could be up to double of what a woman's norm is and this is which is you know there's no time stipulation of how long you have to be or anything like that so this guy was swimming two years ago as a man he's on some hormone therapy and now like testing four weeks before so like there's nothing there's nothing saying like he didn't void up like right before even if they got tested the day of before and after no possibility of cheating okay let's say that were the case testosterone is one indicator there's one metric yeah it is not let me say this because these people don't understand this like very clearly testosterone is one metric it is not the only metric amongst men and women muscle fiber density bone density lung capacity red blood cells the size of your heart height in swimming is huge yeah height is huge yeah that's the reason why says that and the reason why you don't see people that are four feet tall winning olympic gold medals and swimming it's not rocket science anatomy matters trying to explain that to these people no it's like oh my god are you you're stupid your politics have made you stupid there's no other explanation it's frustrating i think it's but i'm hoping like you're saying it's true that's starting to turn because i don't know for whatever reason men are highly offended at this like i see it i'm not a female swimmer i have no attachments i have no i mean this race yeah but it bothers me to know him because it's like it's an injustice right it's like somebody stopped yeah yeah you got to put a stop with it someone's explaining it but women i think weren't speaking out because of what you're saying they were scared because if they're the one that's like the one who took second place defended her right or him or whatever you want to call it right said it was it was it was defended the the winner thomas yeah no way before he won the race or she won i'm going to get in trouble now yeah before leo thomas won the race they were saying oh like it's it's good that that they have a spot to compare yeah right but i mean if you don't speak up for yourself then you're going to get run over and like the only people who can stop this from happening are women yeah i know 100 you know what we're not going to race like what my dad was saying would have been a good thing it's like when they when they start the race nobody jump in the water you don't get to have an opinion dave you're a white male shut up you're a straight white male i was having an argument with like a feminist friend of mine and i'm like can you think of a situation just to go shaw crazy how lady justice is no longer blindfolded and facts no longer matter a situation where a white male straight white male can be a victim and she's stopped she goes no never i'm like okay so it's the death of justice yeah jealousy justice is no longer blindfolded it's the end it is if you i mean think luckily most people don't agree with you that's that's the saving grace otherwise she would be a sexist and a racist yeah yes [ __ ] army of idiots i mean i i can go off for another three hours about this man like it's frustrating because the beginning of this is bad it's i feel like in some people it's hijacks like what might be i understand the need like people want them to be included and i get it you know like they should be in some capacity but like sports are made to be fair so compete with the men yeah because if you because if we just made one division just everyone raised in one division guess what's going to happen there's not going to be any women in there because eliminated from sports yeah you know how the greeks define sports contests amongst equals there you go all right they invented sports right so i think it's a good criteria it's a good standard to uphold yeah you know and for me i think it's great that women can be in sports and i want them to on their fair footing so there's a reason why we have a men's division and a women's division and in sports that matters a lot we have weight classes you know because they're a big dude it's not going to be fair to fight a little dude but we still want little dudes to fight so we're going to make a division for them too you know so and this is lucia might be there should be a trans division if that's that's something that's create their own or yeah i mean there's or like at some point like if you make that call you're like okay that's the price you pay for not competing in sport with or you're going to be with the men or yeah you can be with them like i don't think i don't think anything against it i honestly honestly man if some friends walked into exactly it happens in thailand yeah the [ __ ] is safe and no one no one you know it's funny there's no prejudice i don't think go up go you wanna fight you're a fighter you go i don't care if you're gonna be on the receiving end or the giving end of sex tonight with whoever you're gonna have sex with i don't care you're here to fight right or fight and i respect that and i really wouldn't bother me at all if we had a transgender or whatever in any industry so come to my gym i've had transmit i don't care yeah but i'm not gonna like i'm not okay with like a a a a someone with an enormous biological advantage and it's not small dummies it's not small it is big the bes i mean ronda rousey is a dominant female she was incredible you think she'd like make it in the top 50 amongst men there's there's a lot of examples of this already like in various sports between uh tanya's for example the the william sisters got crushed by like this ranked 200 yeah male tennis player in one afternoon when he was drunk you know they have like the world champion soccer females getting beat by middle schoolers i did i send you that i was just reading about that yeah i sent it to someone that was okay that what happened in brazil yeah they had uh it's funny you say that they had the women's national soccer team and brazilian national soccer team is not bad right it's not the best one when it comes to women but it's top five it's pretty good they couldn't find a team to play with them they got these 14 15 year old boys to play with the women's national soccer team that was going to represent brazil in the olympics right yeah the boys won six to nothing one of the comments read i think we should pay them equally and that was just like a mic drop kind of moment you gotta pay them to say all right and that's it's my point is like at some point you got to draw the line between like what is equality well how do we because it's not equal it's not equal so we pay the 14 year old boys the same as the women the nationals because they're better clearly they're better soccer players like where does it like this is why they don't think about the fact that nothing in nature is equal no there's not a single leaf from a tree that is equal to the leaf next to it there's nothing in nature that is equal but it's like this this distortion of reality in favor of what they perceive good to be what they think good is what they think kindness is and it is it is so incredibly at odds with everything we know about people history nature that it's just like it's just never going to work yeah every if if things were equal evolution failed if exactly if if if only we wouldn't be here yeah there is advantages even amongst people in the same weight class but the idea of support is we're trying to make it as equal as reasonably possible the way i the greeks define it as contest amongst equals i define it as contest amongst approximate equals right because it's never equal you know like i i don't know what jon jones has inside his body right as far as like some floating picograms but red blood cells muscle fibers like reflex but like clearly he's at an advantage oh for sure you know how much i hate on him zero i'd use it too if i were him you think if i could swim his mic as fast as michael phelps as i would oh yeah i would yeah but it's like it's like it it's it's this idea that everyone has to win at the end it's just like that's so it's so uh it's there's nothing good about it that's that's that's the the bigger issue here yeah i feel like a lot of the tools that people have the idea that the only purpose behind competition is to win yeah and yeah yeah exactly and to me it's not it's not that i think a refined someone who knows more the idea of competition is to do your best it's to grow yeah and because you do your best all those things happen you grow you learn and if you're good enough you win right but winning is a consequence right and so a lot of people think oh no competition is just about winning is it nobody because when we have a if i told you like my brother used to do this he has this crystal ball analogy well i'm done this one i know we're going over and he looks at a competitor he goes i'm looking at crystal ball and robert tomorrow you're going to lose do you still compete or do you drop out yeah everybody i've ever done that too i can beat why because they want to know how how did they lose you know yeah or like i don't believe you i'm going to prove you wrong right like a competitor is going to want to compete so if winning was already told that was impossible and you still compete obviously it wasn't about winning that it was about doing your best right yeah and and and growing in the process and and deriving a joy and pleasure from the effort itself like i say this like the hard work is the reward it's sort of like my motto in the gym no one [ __ ] agrees with me but like i really think so man like i i look back in my jujitsu journey and you can literally like i could lose every single medal i have and it wouldn't change how i feel about my journey no absolutely i've lost almost all my medals because they got stolen a ton of them too like i only have i think two of them my adcc bronze and i have one gold one from grappler's quest that's i lost all the other ones it doesn't matter i probably lost those i don't know where they're at yeah like exactly but it doesn't like even if you did lose it doesn't change your perception of self of your journey or it doesn't detract from the value of the effort and that's what people who don't compete don't get only someone who actually throws themselves in the fire understands that like you know but you have to throw yourself in the fire to get it otherwise it's just like it's all about winning you know yeah anyway dave this is a pleasure this is our longest podcast ever this is what happens when we get fired up over oh yeah but uh i'm not even sure if we can get i mean luckily we don't have a million listeners as well we'd probably be in trouble but uh this is the advantage of being a uh what's the word like not being like joe rogan yeah you can't open your mouth it's gotta be like a great and a horrible thing to be a guy like him because you gotta gotta you gotta like imagine having like monitor what you say every [ __ ] hour of the day that's the one thing i think i i i need to be exhausting yeah i couldn't handle it yeah awesome well we'll try to make our next one not in six months not six months less time less time i always have fun with this this is always a good exercise i get to vent i feel like this is therapy you guys notice i'm calm and i feel like um like i've gotten it out it's a safe space it's a safe space i get to speak my mind you know thank you thank you thank you guys thank you everyone and uh yeah see you guys next time [Music] you